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FC Basel - Football Light
Bordeaux - Fernando
Bremen - Miky
Genk - Trebs
Granada - Azzy
Montpellier - Marky
PAOK - Afro
Twente - Hero
Verona - Nadeem

Hero wrote:Ding ding round 73 of the Viva/Nando Utd/Arsenal banter tomorrow...

That predictable?

In my next post I'll be issuing out the facts, it won't be pretty and Nando may not like what I have to say about Arsenal but it's the truth.

Azzy and GSC this has got nothing to do with Manchester United at all. You can't put us and Arsenal in the same bracket.

Azzy wrote:Okay, I'll be the one to ask - when are results coming?

When I get bored

Nader please confirm deal asap

True Viva, Arsenal are at least one bracket above United.

#WengerOut

I don't need to get into why he should go but we all know why especially Nando. Sorry Mr Wenger your time is up.

Yes of course they are Azzy, that's why they beat us earlier this season and why they're 10 points clear of us. No need to hide the fact you're a secret Arsenal fan with your indirect digs at Manchester United.

Defensive much?

Lots of similarities. Fading giants, arrogant managers, entitled fans, overpaid players, questionable defences.

sodhat wrote:Defensive much?

Lots of similarities. Fading giants, arrogant managers, entitled fans, overpaid players, questionable defences.

...Both competing with Southampton and Spurs for League positions...

Fact: Arsenal are 1pt ahead of United in the league.
Fact: Arsenal are in the Last 16 of the Champions League. United are not in Europe.
Fact: Arsenal made it to the 3rd round of the League Cup, United to the 2nd.
Fact: The two teams play each other in the FA Cup QF.
Fact: Arsenal spent £77.2m in the summer transfer window on players, and £13.7m in the winter window. United spent £146m in the summer and £0m in the winter.
Fact: Arsenal recouped £36.6m in sales in the summer and £0m in the winter. United recouped £24m in summer and £3m in winter.
Fact: Net outlay was therefore £54.3m for Arsenal and £117m for United.

What this evidence suggests is that Arsenal have achieved more this season, and are on course for even more achievements, than United, DESPITE spending less than half the money.

Bracket above.

And imagine if they sacked Wenger and brought in a decent manager.

1 point, we were ahead of them last week and there's going to be many ups and downs. If they were ahead of us like Chelsea are I could see your point but 1 point is nothing.

An they've clearly shown their level getting spanked at home 3-1 by Monaco.

LVG doesn't care about the Carling Cup, top 4 is what he is after the CC is just a distraction.

You'll see when we dismantle them in the FA Cup but I bet you'll have some excuse.

We've spent more showing we have the balls to do something about it, showing more ambition than Arsenal.

Roody poo candy ass teams like Arsenal and yourself find it an achievment to make the last 8 or 3rd round in cup competitions but Manchester United do not. It's about winning, ask any Arsenal fan if they're happy making a round further than United.

United showed their level being spanked 2-1 at home by Swansea

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

sodhat wrote:Defensive much?

Lots of similarities. Fading giants, arrogant managers, entitled fans, overpaid players, questionable defences.

Your lot actually believe West Ham won a World Cup and that you're a big club from London.

Your manager believes he should be managing the likes of Madrid, Chelsea and Barca and he would win doubles there despite achieving nothing (Unless you follow Azzys logic and believe a Carling Cup semi is an achievement)

Let's not go there with your fans, remind me off Leeds United fans.

Andy Carroll

30 league goals conceded more than United and Arsenal.

Seems like you're talking about your own club.

So Arsenal care about these cups, and are still doing better in the league than United?

I disagree massively Viva. Spending nearly £150m wasn't a sign of ambition. It was a sign of how poor your team was. And with another £150m rumoured to be spent this summer, it's not about ambition, it's about trying to protect a financial legacy that built the business into a worldwide leader, one that was torn down within 18 months of its peak.

GSC wrote:United showed their level being spanked 2-1 at home by Swansea

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

I've heard this a trillion times from everyone here but not once have I heard any of you backing your words. I will bet anyone here that United will finish above Arsenal, I offered Nando a bet but he chickened out.

United lose one game it's a disaster, Arsenal can lose 500 games and it's expected thats the difference between MUFC and the rest of the world. Sir Alex is a God and you mortals were so used to him that you took him for granted, during 04/06 when we were rebuilding he finished 3rd and 2nd, for a team that was supposed to be in transition that is crazy.

LVG is no SAF no one will ever come close to the greatest human being that has set foot on this Earth so we need to give him some time. If we don't win the title for 10 years or a trophy for 9 and we see 4th as an achievement and take photos because we finished 4th then yes by all means you can drill United as much as you like.

Viva I already have £20 going to a charity of Miky's choice after Wenger ruined Arsenal's season again...I put my money where my mouth was and was proven wrong.

That being said, I'd take that bet 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. If I hadn't already lost £20 to Miky.

The only thing I took from that post, is spoilt

What were the exact details of the bet again, I've lost the PM somehow, sorry.

Koba wrote:

sodhat wrote:Defensive much?

Lots of similarities. Fading giants, arrogant managers, entitled fans, overpaid players, questionable defences.

Your lot actually believe West Ham won a World Cup and that you're a big club from London.

Your manager believes he should be managing the likes of Madrid, Chelsea and Barca and he would win doubles there despite achieving nothing (Unless you follow Azzys logic and believe a Carling Cup semi is an achievement)

Let's not go there with your fans, remind me off Leeds United fans.

Andy Carroll  

30 league goals conceded more than United and Arsenal.

Seems like you're talking about your own club.

It's nice of you to think we were giants at one time and thus could fade, so thank you. I don't think we're at that stature, we're a decent club from London and that's it as far as I'm concerned. Fortune's always hiding, after all.

As for the defences, ours doesn't consist of a £30m left back, the world's second most expensive goalkeeper (ours was free), 2x £16m centre halves and another £12m centre half just in case.

We've conceded 4 more goals than you. So you've paid nearly £100m for a defensive unit that concedes 26 goals, we paid £4m for Reid, nothing for Jenkinson, Tomkins, and Adrian and £5m or so for Cresswell.

And you have the front to have a go at our defence while protecting yours

Miky - I bet you £20 at the start of the season that Arsenal would finish above Chelsea. Once it's mathematically certain they won't I'll donate £20 to any charity of your choice.

Oh yes of course cheers mate.

I'm a charity

Case darling, charity case.

Either is eligible

Azzy wrote:Viva I already have £20 going to a charity of Miky's choice after Wenger ruined Arsenal's season again...I put my money where my mouth was and was proven wrong.

That being said, I'd take that bet 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. If I hadn't already lost £20 to Miky.

Once again [roving my point, bunch of bottlers here who can't back up the talk.

Let me remind you not long ago you laughed at us Playstation gamers for being poor because of the free games we recieve from PS Plus. You said you don't need a freebie because you buy your games and that you're rich.

So don't give me that "oh I would bet you but I already betted Miky". £20 should be nothing for a rich man like yourself. It's clear you don't have the balls and that you only WUM to get a reaction.

SHOTS FIRED!

sodhat wrote:

Koba wrote:

sodhat wrote:Defensive much?

Lots of similarities. Fading giants, arrogant managers, entitled fans, overpaid players, questionable defences.

Your lot actually believe West Ham won a World Cup and that you're a big club from London.

Your manager believes he should be managing the likes of Madrid, Chelsea and Barca and he would win doubles there despite achieving nothing (Unless you follow Azzys logic and believe a Carling Cup semi is an achievement)

Let's not go there with your fans, remind me off Leeds United fans.

Andy Carroll  

30 league goals conceded more than United and Arsenal.

Seems like you're talking about your own club.

It's nice of you to think we were giants at one time and thus could fade, so thank you. I don't think we're at that stature, we're a decent club from London and that's it as far as I'm concerned. Fortune's always hiding, after all.

As for the defences, ours doesn't consist of a £30m left back, the world's second most expensive goalkeeper (ours was free), 2x £16m centre halves and another £12m centre half just in case.

We've conceded 4 more goals than you. So you've paid nearly £100m for a defensive unit that concedes 26 goals, we paid £4m for Reid, nothing for Jenkinson, Tomkins, and Adrian and £5m or so for Cresswell.

And you have the front to have a go at our defence while protecting yours

I don't believe that you were a big team ever, I see you between Millwall and Leyton Orient a nothing club that spend 99% of their time obsessed with the other London based clubs fans. It's cute how you lot think you're some rivals to Spurs while they don't even notice you.

We did spend a lot but at the end of the day when we finish above you and concede less they won't say how much we spent but the fact that we finished above you. Nobody talks about Chelsea spending when they won the titles. David De Gea is worth a trillion times more than what we bought him for, Luke Shaw is going to become the best Left Back in Europe and is an investment for more then 10 years.

It's nice how you WUMS deflect the pressure from Arsenal onto United, typical Southerns or Londoners to be precise.

Viva if there's one thing I've learned through my bet with Miky, it's don't trust Wenger to deliver. I know they'll finish above you but if he costs me £40 instead of £20, I would take a trip up to North London and shoot his paedo arris.

nadeem2099 wrote:SHOTS FIRED!

Don't get me started at your club. If you support Real Madrid that means you support racism.

If you support United that means you support a victim mentality.

Azzy wrote:Viva if there's one thing I've learned through my bet with Miky, it's don't trust Wenger to deliver. I know they'll finish above you but if he costs me £40 instead of £20, I would take a trip up to North London and shoot his paedo arris.

I've put my v2 account on the line against Nando.

Why would you have taken that bet against Miky? Even Ray Charles could see that is a silly bet. Mourinho will never ever allow Wenger to beat him let alone finish above him in a 38 game season. You just wasted £20 the only positive I can say is at least the money is going to charity.

Just say you like to WUM me and you have no interest in making a bet because you don't have the balls. I will forgive you.

Calhanoglu, Tevez, Rabiot, Suarez, Diao, Costa and Rafinha can all leave for the right deal, ideally looking for a striker, RB, and LW.

Azzy wrote:If you support United that means you support a victim mentality.

You mean Liverpool.

Viva will jump up and down a call me a fan on another club immediately but what gets my goat with a number of Utd fans is that for years we've lauded it over Liverpool fans for them having to bring up 'history' and all the titles they won in the past.
Immediately though when Utd enter a barren period then they suddenly turn into the same thing.

No I won't and I agree with you. Football fans are hypocrites, last season the Liverpool fans wanted to talk about the current season while United fans would bring up the past.

Koba wrote:

Azzy wrote:If you support United that means you support a victim mentality.

You mean Liverpool.

No. I mean United. A lot of bad things have happened to both clubs - Munich, Hillsbrough, Evra, those white suits - but from my perspective, every misstep United have is because they're victims, while Liverpool's are only an obstacle. That club pulls together as one, yours just moans like Fergie.

Next season I'll do you £100 that Arsenal finish above United.

Hero wrote:Going to be honest, not a guy Id have brought in, a player who looked great in a small pond but floundered amongst the bigger fish.

That's fair enough.

I brought him in though because I needed to improve my left side and I feel that he is a vast improvement on Buffel.

Anyone want to give me a cash offer on Rode?

I'm done with this conversation, it's 100% clear you're only here to wum me.

Munich disaster happend in 1958. In 1968 United went on to win the European Cup, to even be competitive after having your club ripped apart is astonishing never mind winning the European Cup 10 years after such tragedy.

Great men like Jimmy Murphy and Sir Matt Busby, got the club running again. Now if United didn't pull together as you say we wouldn't have won the trophy or league titles.

Munich anniversary was just a few weeks ago, you didn't see it plastered all over SSN, BBC like the Scousers do every April with Hillsborough. It was done within United and we payed our respects.

So I've got to wait until April 2016 to win the £100, that's a long long time away. United vs wba 2nd May, fancy a small bet?

Probably had something to do with Hillsborough being a high level cover up implicating several high ranking officials.

Munich was a plane crash. Sad, but its not infrequent

Koba wrote:

I don't believe that you were a big team ever, I see you between Millwall and Leyton Orient a nothing club that spend 99% of their time obsessed with the other London based clubs fans. It's cute how you lot think you're some rivals to Spurs while they don't even notice you.

We did spend a lot but at the end of the day when we finish above you and concede less they won't say how much we spent but the fact that we finished above you. Nobody talks about Chelsea spending when they won the titles. David De Gea is worth a trillion times more than what we bought him for, Luke Shaw is going to become the best Left Back in Europe and is an investment for more then 10 years.

It's nice how you WUMS deflect the pressure from Arsenal onto United, typical Southerns or Londoners to be precise.

I didn't say we were a big team, you said we were and now you're backtracking. All London clubs have the same mentality and obsession with each others fans because we're surrounded by each other, we're mixed together. It's families, friends, work mates, those rivalries make it a prerequisite to mock each other and be a little obsessed.

So when you finish 5th they will say, "oh, well they finished above West Ham!"? I reckon they'll say "wow, look at all that money they wasted to get a high mid-table finish".

I've no need to deflect any pressure from Arsenal, I don't like Arsenal. I think that's probably your persecution complex and the fact that you believe no-one should question why a team costing as much as yours is still struggling to beat mediocre teams.

Not even 9/11 gets as much coverage.

sodhat wrote:

Koba wrote:

I don't believe that you were a big team ever, I see you between Millwall and Leyton Orient a nothing club that spend 99% of their time obsessed with the other London based clubs fans. It's cute how you lot think you're some rivals to Spurs while they don't even notice you.

We did spend a lot but at the end of the day when we finish above you and concede less they won't say how much we spent but the fact that we finished above you. Nobody talks about Chelsea spending when they won the titles. David De Gea is worth a trillion times more than what we bought him for, Luke Shaw is going to become the best Left Back in Europe and is an investment for more then 10 years.

It's nice how you WUMS deflect the pressure from Arsenal onto United, typical Southerns or Londoners to be precise.

I didn't say we were a big team, you said we were and now you're backtracking. All London clubs have the same mentality and obsession with each others fans because we're surrounded by each other, we're mixed together. It's families, friends, work mates, those rivalries make it a prerequisite to mock each other and be a little obsessed.

So when you finish 5th they will say, "oh, well they finished above West Ham!"? I reckon they'll say "wow, look at all that money they wasted to get a high mid-table finish".

I've no need to deflect any pressure from Arsenal, I don't like Arsenal. I think that's probably your persecution complex and the fact that you believe no-one should question why a team costing as much as yours is still struggling to beat mediocre teams.

It's only it's only game why you heff to be mad?

Ilya Bryzgalov is that you?

I'm not backtracking at all, can you please find where I say West Ham are a big club. I did say that West Ham fans BELEIVE they are a big club. My actual quote

Your lot actually believe West Ham won a World Cup and that you're a big club from London.

Azzy wrote:Ilya Bryzgalov is that you?

Winner!!!!!

There's a 99 hour version you can watch on youtube.

Koba wrote:Not even 9/11 gets as much coverage.

Oh Viva. You do take persecution complex to the next level

[quote="Koba"][quote="sodhat"]

Koba wrote:

sodhat wrote:Defensive much?

Lots of similarities. Fading giants, arrogant managers, entitled fans, overpaid players, questionable defences.

Your lot actually believe West Ham won a World Cup and that you're a big club from London.

Your manager believes he should be managing the likes of Madrid, Chelsea and Barca and he would win doubles there despite achieving nothing (Unless you follow Azzys logic and believe a Carling Cup semi is an achievement)

Let's not go there with your fans, remind me off Leeds United fans.

Andy Carroll  

30 league goals conceded more than United and Arsenal.

Seems like you're talking about your own club.

You said I was talking about my own club, and I was talking about being a fading giant. So either you think West Ham were a big club or you're picking and choosing which parts of my statement were about my own club.

9/11 gets less attention than either Munich or Hillsbrough, apart from on big anniversaries like the 10th. Which is to be expected, as more British people died in both and they actually happened in the UK.

For the record I recall a day of SSN full of constant reports from Old Trafford, laying flowers and such like.

I presume that would have been in 2008 when it was the 50th anniversary. I actually flew out of Munich airport to Manchester on the anniversary that year and I was sh*tting bricks as it was snowing like mad at the airport.

No, it's every year. It doesn't make the papers or national news like Hillsbrough, but every year we do see Munich-related events. Understandable obviously.