Prince Vs Pretty Boy

by Cass1234 Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:31 pm

I've been scouting the internet trying to find opinions on this hypthotetical match up and have struggled to find anything worth reading, so I'm putting this question out to the enlightened members of the board for their opinions..

A hypthotetical match up between Prince Naseem Hamed and Floyd Mayweather at Featherweight, with both fighters performing at there best, who wins and why?!

by AdamT Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:33 pm

Floyd Mayweather outboxes Nassem. I believe he would floor him a couple times as well.

Although If Floyd got a bit wreckless, he too could touch the canvas. I predict a unamious victory at Super Feather because I doubt Floyd could of been a Featherweight. Perhaps a catch weight could of been arranged.

by ONETWOFOREVER Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:35 pm

Nobody could take the power of Naz.

He would beat any top 10 atg featherweight in history including Pep, Nelson and Sanchez.

by AdamT Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:37 pm

He wouldn't beat Floyd. I don't think so. Naseem was a wonderful fighter at his best but Floyd is too schooled for him. Plus back then Floyd could bang too.

Naseem is also much shorter with smaller reach. Floyd too big, too good in my opinion.

What about Nas vs Manny?

by ONETWOFOREVER Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:40 pm

Manny was getting KOED by jabs back when he was a featherweight

what do you think Naz would do to him?

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:42 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Manny was getting KOED by jabs back when he was a featherweight

what do you think Naz would do to him?

No he wasn't.

by ONETWOFOREVER Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:47 pm

He was.

youtube it.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:53 pm

Torrecampo and Singsurat at FLYWEIGHT.

by ONETWOFOREVER Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:57 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Torrecampo and Singsurat at FLYWEIGHT.

Wrong fight try again.

by Derbymanc Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:04 pm

Torrecampo - KO in 3
Singsurrat - TKO in 3
Marquez - KO in 6

Which one are you on about 1/2 ???

by **88Chris05** Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:22 pm

Great Featherweight with outstanding power, but against an even better Super-Featherweight with an outstanding defence and better all-round skills. Hamed can't outbox Mayweather so a knockout is needed and I'm struggling to see it. Mayweather by wide-ish decision.

There are plenty of elite fighters that Hamed at his best could beat, but Mayweather is just a bridge too far and a level too high.

by AlexHuckerby Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:25 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Torrecampo - KO in 3
Singsurrat - TKO in 3
Marquez - KO in 6

Which one are you on about 1/2 ???

The fight he had with him at Featherweight back in OneTwo's younger lighter days. I mean of course he has now blossomed into a top fully fledged welterweight now (Manny also) it does pose a question whether Manny could get in behind the spinning backfist of fury, if of course he got past the same jab that sparked Manny in the first place. Boxrec are just haters and didn't regard it as a real win. Weirdo's.

by Derbymanc Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:27 pm

Has everyone contracted takethepissitis lately???

by Coxy001 Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:45 pm

Hamed gets made to look like an amateur as he gets countered left, right, centre and from behind.

With his wild inability to remain on balance Naz would probably hit the canvas a few times. Would be a wide 118-108 sort of UD.

Quite simply not on his level.

by horizontalhero Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:53 pm

Not withstanding my admitted bias towards Ingles fighters, I give Naz a good chance of upsetting FMJ. Unlike many other I don't think that his loss to Barrea was a truly indicative of his level- he was an elite fighter and a motivated , focussed Naz gives any featherweight in history an arguement. He had plenty of speed, great power, elusive, and his unorthordoxy would give FMJ a difficult puzzle to solve- and if he doesn't solve it before six rounds have past, then Naz could nick a decision.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:11 pm

Big fan of Naseem....................But Barrera was by far the best fighter he fought and he devised a gameplan to neutralise Hamed's pick shotting..........Whether it was peak Hamed or not................He was awful too against Kelley..

If he fought FM it would likely be at 130...........and Hamed would be at a disadvantage at that weight........

Mayweather probably decision...............Hamed would have to get lucky..

by Mind the windows Tino. Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:15 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Torrecampo - KO in 3
Singsurrat - TKO in 3
Marquez - KO in 6

Which one are you on about 1/2 ???

It can be found on the same youtube link as Mike Tyson talking about putting someones nose bone through their brain. You, me and the rest of the English speaking world heard him say it after the Jesse Ferguson fight. But not ONETWO. He heard him say it after an amateur fight.

But, Derby, I asked ONESPINNINGBACKFISTTOOMANY for some evidence of this about a year ago and still haven't seen it so don't hold your breath.

by milkyboy Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:20 pm

My sympathy to the OP, he asks for the opinion of the 'enlightened members of the board' and he gets you jokers.

At least I have the decency to know my place and so offer no opinion. I hope an enlightened one drops by soon to redeem the thread.

by Rowley Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:22 pm

Who are these enlightened folk you speak of milky. Hate to break this to you so indelicately but windy passed away a couple of years ago.

by milkyboy Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:35 pm

Bit like playing poker rowley. If you haven't worked out who the sucker is after a few hands, it must be you.

If you haven't worked out who the enlightened one's are after all this time, It must be you fella. So putting your naz love to one side (only the enlightened can remain objective) who wins naz or floyd?

by ONETWOFOREVER Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:45 pm

I have seen the footage of Manny getting koed by a jab.

Its no big mystery everyone knows about it. It would not be true if it was'nt true.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:45 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I have seen the footage of Manny getting koed by a jab..

I thought he didn't like needles..

by Soldier_Of_Fortune Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:46 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Torrecampo and Singsurat at FLYWEIGHT.

Also am sure it was body shots.

by Guest Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:47 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I have seen the footage of Manny getting koed by a jab..

I thought he didn't like needles..

Too bad he seems to be surrounded by pricks

by ONETWOFOREVER Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:47 pm

Here it is

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnM8vPW_Q6U

and again

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XTUSFqXDFA

by hazharrison Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:31 pm

They were in talks to fight. Mayweather would have annihilated Hamed at that point. It would have been so one-sided it would have been untrue.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:41 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Here it is

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnM8vPW_Q6U

and again

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XTUSFqXDFA

You do know what KOED means right?

by Derbymanc Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:08 pm

Flippin eck 1/2 why say ko'd when you mean knocked down . Wtf is wrong with people/idiots tryin to make things sound worse

by 3fingers Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:20 pm

First link is not jab either

by Strongback Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:08 pm

The Artist Formerly Known As Prince would have had a better chance.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:09 pm

Strongback wrote:The Artist Formerly Known As Prince would have had a better chance.

Certainly be at home on ....Alphabet street..

by Strongback Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:21 pm

They could have fought in 1999.....

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:22 pm

Strongback wrote:They could have fought in 1999.....

If he beat Floyd it would be the start of a purple reign................

by TopHat24/7 Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:24 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Flippin eck 1/2 why say ko'd when you mean knocked down . Wtf is wrong with people/idiots tryin to make things sound worse

NEWSFLASH: ONETWO is a t!t Rolling Eyes

by Derbymanc Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:33 pm

Wasn't just talking bout 1/2 though, people in general talking complete crap

by AdamT Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:36 pm

Does anybody give Prince a chance of upsetting Floyd?

by Guest Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:37 pm

AdamT wrote:Does anybody give Prince a chance of upsetting Floyd?

Yeah, Naz could ask Floyd to stump up for his food bill

by AdamT Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:39 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
AdamT wrote:Does anybody give Prince a chance of upsetting Floyd?

Yeah, Naz could ask Floyd to stump up for his food bill

Think even floyd would struggle to pay for the fat gits meals!

by **88Chris05** Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:50 pm

The puncher's always got a chance of some sort but Mayweather's chin can seldom be got to cleanly, particularly if we're talking about a 130 lb Mayweather with additional footspeed and movement. If Hamed did test Mayweather's whiskers properly I don't think it's a given that he puts Mayweather in massively dire straits (albeit a clean whack from Hamed is going to hurt anyone to say the least) as bigger guys than Hamed such as Corley and Mosley have shaken him up but failed to put him over. That's another thing, too - you can land big on Mayweather once, but as Corley and Mosley will attest to it's hard to follow it up with anything most of the time as he's got a good chin, knows how to tie his man up and can fight fire with fire himself if he needs to. Mayweather was never a devastating hitter even at Super-Feather but his power down there definitely wasn't to be sniffed at, either.

I'll get a bit of stick for this as I have when I've said it in the past, but Mayweather is one of the rarest and most special talents the sport has seen in my opinion. Not completely peerless but part of a very small group. I think he's just too smart and too complete for Hamed. Combine that with Mayweather's size advantages and I can't see him losing this one. At his best there was a bit more to Hamed than just massive power, but Mayweather is a different level.

by milkyboy Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:05 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Strongback wrote:They could have fought in 1999.....

If he beat Floyd it would be the start of a purple reign................

fine effort truss.

Seems like the consensus is that floyd would cream prince.

by Guest Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:28 pm

milkyboy wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Strongback wrote:They could have fought in 1999.....

If he beat Floyd it would be the start of a purple reign................

fine effort truss.

Seems like the consensus is that floyd would cream prince.

Forget the Bugatti, if Naz wins, he'd buy himself a little red corvette

by hazharrison Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:26 pm

88Chris05 wrote:The puncher's always got a chance of some sort but Mayweather's chin can seldom be got to cleanly, particularly if we're talking about a 130 lb Mayweather with additional footspeed and movement. If Hamed did test Mayweather's whiskers properly I don't think it's a given that he puts Mayweather in massively dire straits (albeit a clean whack from Hamed is going to hurt anyone to say the least) as bigger guys than Hamed such as Corley and Mosley have shaken him up but failed to put him over. That's another thing, too - you can land big on Mayweather once, but as Corley and Mosley will attest to it's hard to follow it up with anything most of the time as he's got a good chin, knows how to tie his man up and can fight fire with fire himself if he needs to. Mayweather was never a devastating hitter even at Super-Feather but his power down there definitely wasn't to be sniffed at, either.

I'll get a bit of stick for this as I have when I've said it in the past, but Mayweather is one of the rarest and most special talents the sport has seen in my opinion. Not completely peerless but part of a very small group. I think he's just too smart and too complete for Hamed. Combine that with Mayweather's size advantages and I can't see him losing this one. At his best there was a bit more to Hamed than just massive power, but Mayweather is a different level.

Mayweather was a truly special super featherweight but I think your praise is a bit gushing when considering him over the course of his career.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:51 pm

What like moving up from super feather and beating the number 1 jr middle...

by **88Chris05** Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:25 am

I think you can pick the odd hole in Mayweather's legacy at any weight above 135, Haz, if that's what you're getting at. But in terms of what he produces inside the ropes and the skills he's got at his disposal there's not much to fault and he's just about as complete as they come, for me. His resume has been good enough to make him one of the best fighters on the planet for well over a decade and yet the argument (which probably has some weight to it) is that his resume doesn't do his talent justice, which speaks pretty loudly for what a talent he is.

by TopHat24/7 Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:29 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What like moving up from super feather and beating the number 1 jr middle...

But refusing to defender his Jr Middle belt??

Do you equally credit Manny for moving up from even lower weight to win a Jr Middle strap (albeit not against the #1)?

by Rowley Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:37 am

There are few bigger Naz fans than me and even I’m struggling to make a case for him here. At his very best at feather Naz was a tough fighter to prepare for, threw punches from unusual angles, genuine power in either hands and reasonably sharp in getting out of the way of punches. He provided every opponent with puzzles to solve they did not see against anyone else. However there is a world of difference between baffling the likes of Steve Robinson, an aging Vazquez or Billy Hardy than doing it to Floyd.

One thing that always impresses me with Floyd is to work opponents out and make subtle adjustments, he did it in the Judah fight early when troubled with his speed and you have to think he does it against Naz. As Chris has said Naz has enough power to get anyone in or around super feather in trouble, but Floyd has never really shown he is the kind of guy who gets taken out by one shot, irrespective of who is throwing it, and landing three or four on the bounce of sufficient power to take him out seems unlikely. Not sure you can make any argument for anything other than a Floyd win, probably on points and whilst it is clear enough I don’t see a shut out as I genuinely think Naz wins a few early until Floyd works him out.

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