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European Rugby Champions Cup Final, 2 May

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Post by George Carlin Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:58 pm

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European Rugby Champions Cup Final, 2 May - Page 2 Clermo11                           European Rugby Champions Cup Final, 2 May - Page 2 Toulon11
ASM Clermont Auvergne v RC Toulon
Saturday 2 May 2015
KO 17:00
Twickenham Stadium

Referee Nigel Owens (Wales)European Rugby Champions Cup Final, 2 May - Page 2 Worshi11
Touch Judge 1 Wayne Barnes (England)
Touch Judge 2 George Clancy (Ireland)
Fourth Official JP Doyle (England)
TMO Graham Hughes (England)

Citing Commissioner Jeff Mark (Wales)

Live on telly somewhere

Form:

ASM Clermont Auvergne
18/04/15 - ASM Clermont 13 - 9 Saracens
04/04/15 - ASM Clermont 37 - 5 Saints
25/01/15 - ASM Clermont 18 - 6 Saracens

RC Toulon
19/04/15 - Toulon 25 - 20 Leinster
05/04/15 - Toulon 32 - 18 Wasps
24/01/15 - Scarlets 3 - 26 Toulon

Teams:

ASM Clermont Auvergne
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Abendanon; Nakaitaci, Davies, Fofana, Nalaga; Lopez, Parra, Debaty, Kayser, Zirakashvili, Cudmore, Vahaamahina, Bonnaire, Chouly, Lee.

Replacements: Delany for Nakaitaci (67), Rougerie for Nalaga (54), Radosavljevic for Parra (56), Domingo for Debaty (47), Ulugia for Kayser (63), Ric for Zirakashvili (66), Pierre for Vahaamahina (67), Bardy for Lee (54).

RC Toulon
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Halfpenny; Mitchell, Bastareaud, J Hernandez, Habana; Giteau, Tillous-Borde; Chiocci, Guirado, Hayman, Botha, Williams, J Smith, S Armitage, Masoe.

Replacements: Wulf for J. Hernandez (66), Menini for Chiocci (48), Orioli for Guirado (63), Chilachava for Hayman (63), Taofifenua for Botha (47), Fernandez Lobbe for J Smith (58).

Not Used: Bruni, Michalak.


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Post by yappysnap Sun May 03, 2015 3:47 am

This reminds me of the Saints v Leinster final a few years back. If something that's the total opposite of another thing can remind you of it.

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Post by Notch Sun May 03, 2015 3:48 am

Ugh...
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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sun May 03, 2015 3:48 am

Clermont just don't win finals. Bendy shows why he is mot international class.

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Post by whocares Sun May 03, 2015 3:49 am

Bad decision from Abendanon...

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 3:51 am

That will send Clermont back to the dressing room dispirited/fired up (delete as appropriate)

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Post by ME-109 Sun May 03, 2015 3:51 am

What kind of dopes are Clermont..every flippin time...

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun May 03, 2015 3:51 am

Clermont are not great in defence. Toulon are making a lot of ground through their large selection of big ball carriers.

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Post by yappysnap Sun May 03, 2015 3:56 am

Why kick the ball away? So silly by Clermont and Abendanon!

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Post by yappysnap Sun May 03, 2015 3:57 am

Come on Dayglo, ask Roberts if he's joining Quins?!!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun May 03, 2015 4:01 am

Roberts has been confirmed hasn't he Yappy?

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 4:02 am

Wilkinson, Greenwood and Cockerill making it easier for Lancaster to ignore Abendanon. Sky just did a play-by-play with them showing how the full-back's decision to kick was a disaster.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 4:22 am

Toulon started the second half well but couldn't do anything with their possession. A silly moment by Clermont gave Halfpenny a penalty to give Toulon a lead of 11-19 with 30 minutes to go.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 4:23 am

Commentator saying Clermont need to throw caution to the wind but that sounds a bit premature with half an hour left.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 4:26 am

Cockerill doesn't agree that Clermont have to go headless but does think they need to try new attacking ideas since Toulon have them shackled.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun May 03, 2015 4:32 am

Magic from Bendy!

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun May 03, 2015 4:32 am

Easy as you like, Nick Abendanon.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 4:35 am

What a strange passage of play. Abendanon make up for his half-time error by fielding a kick from Habana, chipping it back and collecting to score.


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Post by wales606 Sun May 03, 2015 4:36 am

What is happening with the restarts and Clermont, don't think I've ever seen a team so bad a catching
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun May 03, 2015 4:36 am

Clermont do not do restarts apparently.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 4:36 am

Ali Williams just didn't have enough control to score straight from the restart.

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Post by yappysnap Sun May 03, 2015 4:38 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Roberts has been confirmed hasn't he Yappy?

Strongly linked but nothing confirmed by the club Pooly, I have all my fingers and toes crossed though

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Post by yappysnap Sun May 03, 2015 4:40 am

Rugby Fan wrote:Ali Williams just didn't have enough control to score straight from the restart.

90% sure it was a forward pass before that too

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 4:43 am

Not only does Scott Quinnell think Clermont were offside for their try, he thinks Williams should have been awarded his denied try.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 4:45 am

yappysnap wrote:
Rugby Fan wrote:Ali Williams just didn't have enough control to score straight from the restart.

90% sure it was a forward pass before that too
Can't say I was looking, and I'm sure Quinnell wasn't.

That's some try by Mitchell.

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Post by yappysnap Sun May 03, 2015 4:46 am

Well that was a certain try

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Post by beshocked Sun May 03, 2015 4:47 am

5 missed tackles from Clermont there. Appalling defence.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 4:49 am

Confusion over whether Halfpenny got the conversion. Scoreboard said no, then yes, then no. Gap remains six points, so Clermont are one play away from grabbing a lead.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun May 03, 2015 4:50 am

yappysnap wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Roberts has been confirmed hasn't he Yappy?

Strongly linked but nothing confirmed by the club Pooly, I have all my fingers and toes crossed though

I read a Welsh piece that it's a done deal yesterday.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun May 03, 2015 4:51 am

Nice break from Delaney the Falcon

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Post by beshocked Sun May 03, 2015 4:55 am

I thought this would be a bore fest but it hasn't been!

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 4:56 am

Toulon win

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sun May 03, 2015 4:56 am

Clermont will never win a CC.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sun May 03, 2015 4:57 am

Ugh. Another win for Toulon.

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Post by ME-109 Sun May 03, 2015 4:57 am

Another crime scene Dr Watson...yes Holmes looks like another case of serial choking.

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Post by yappysnap Sun May 03, 2015 4:57 am

Meh.


I really hope that next year brings a bit of variety to the ERCC final.


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Post by whocares Sun May 03, 2015 4:59 am

Clermont just didnt have any solutions to break Toulon defense and threw the ball away. Lopez clearly isnt international quality. Another trophy for the southeast mercs.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sun May 03, 2015 4:59 am

Why Clermont didn't throw cash at Sexton is beyond me...

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Post by wales606 Sun May 03, 2015 5:01 am

Unbelievable number of lost finals for Clermont now, what is it, one French title in their history, and about 30 finals
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Post by PenfroPete Sun May 03, 2015 5:09 am

FFS it's the hope that kills you Crying or Very sad
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Post by Cyril Sun May 03, 2015 5:09 am

Best final in years. Really enjoyed that one. Some cracking tries and brilliant defence too.

Well done Toulon.

Clermont just a bit lacking when it matters.

Abendanon and Armitage both had some excellent moments.

A great showpiece to shame the naysayers Smile

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 5:14 am

Ali Williams on Drew Mitchell's try "I've never loved an Australian so much".

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 5:17 am

The older Bakkies Botha gets, the more he sounds like Schwarzenegger.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 5:22 am

Habana, holding his 10 month old son Timothy, admits he made a mistake with his clearance kick and jokingly wonders whether he might have given Abendanon a sniff of an England spot.


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Post by doctor_grey Sun May 03, 2015 5:34 am

And to think I wanted Jamie Cudmore to get the trophy.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun May 03, 2015 5:42 am

With Botha, Williams and Hayman all calling time, there's no doubt Toulon can bring in players with better fitness, and even skills, but it'll be interesting to see whether they can also continue to maintain the big match composure.

Wilkinson alluded to this when he pointed out that any new players will have to make the team in their own image, not rely on past achievements to get things done (a point he knows only too well from his own career).

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Post by LondonTiger Sun May 03, 2015 5:51 am

I thought that was the best final for quite some time. Thought Owens was rather generous to Steffon (who I feel was rather lazy with some showy moments) not sure using your gut as leverage really counts as supporting your own bodyweight.

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Post by doctor_grey Sun May 03, 2015 5:52 am

Rugby Fan wrote:With Botha, Williams and Hayman all calling time, there's no doubt Toulon can bring in players with better fitness, and even skills, but it'll be interesting to see whether they can also continue to maintain the big match composure.

Wilkinson alluded to this when he pointed out that any new players will have to make the team in their own image, not rely on past achievements to get things done (a point he knows only too well from his own career).
Regardless whether one agrees with or disagrees with Toulon's spending policies, there was something special seeing tough old boys like Botha, Williams and Hayman out there together. Also seeing the Juan Smith whose recovery from catastrophic injury was nothing short of inspirational and a force of will still enjoying his game like a kid.

Yes, Toulon is a team created by the highest bidder, so to speak. But the unmitigated joy on the player's faces shows what the victory means, and all that money comes in second place to that amazing feeling.

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Post by kunu Sun May 03, 2015 6:26 am

Best final since 2011. Toulon were clearly willing to play, throwing offloads like nobody's business, not your typical final game. Quality of kicking was quite poor from both sides, but the counters were good.

Was routing for Clermont like most, but Toulon deserved it in the end. Clermont were falling off too many tackles, and I don't know what they were thinking kicking it while pressing for a try at 79 mins.

Hope next year we see a few more genuine contenders emerge. Bath's QF exit should stand to them, Munster may come back into the reckoning, as could Ulster.

Interesting to see Owens reffing Steffan Armitage. Had any other ref been on the pitch we would have seen a lot more Toulon penalties for Clermont holding on. For all the plaudits Owens gets, I think his style can spoil competition at the breakdown at times (unless there's a case for sealing off, which he's hot on). Makes for a more exciting game, but also a more league-ish game at the same time.

I think teams could do better to adapt to him. Unless play is near the defending team's try line, he'll need an extremely clear case for holding on to penalise the attacking team. My guess is he's trying to force the competing player to actually steal the ball for a turnover, rather than pretend to struggle to steal the ball for a penalty.
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Post by brennomac Sun May 03, 2015 7:10 am

LondonTiger wrote:I thought that was the best final for quite some time. Thought Owens was rather generous to Steffon (who I feel was rather lazy with some showy moments) not sure using your gut as leverage really counts as supporting your own bodyweight.

Also thought right at the end Armitage should have been penalised for lazy running as Clermont attacked - and Owens was right beside it. Whatever though, Clermont simply didn't deserve to win - too many unforced errors, Abendanon's brain fart in H1 over time, and Lopez cross kicking when they had to keep possession.

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Post by Eejit Sun May 03, 2015 7:40 am

Just in the door. Great game of rugby. Don't think the lads in front of us watched two minutes of rugby all day. They were up for beer every few minutes and spent the rest of the time taking photos of themselves.

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