Peter Moores to be removed as England Coach when Strauss is appointed

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Now being reported. Thank god

So they can't trust him to be in the team, yet offered him a role to be an advisor to the one day side

What

Its time to draw a line under it. He isn't coming back

GSC wrote:Its time to draw a line under it. He isn't coming back

Music to my ears.

GSC wrote:Its time to draw a line under it. He isn't coming back

Well the ECB are scoring own goals again. They are using terminology like 'in the short term' etc so they have sort of left the door ajar I would say.

At 34, the long term speaks for itself.

GSC wrote:At 34, the long term speaks for itself.

Yes I agree now you say that but it is still a very odd terminology don't you think? And why hold a meeting with him unless there was not something to discuss?

im not a huge cricket fan, so forgive me i've i have this wrong. wasnt he told to get back to county cricket & score runs. he's done that & now they've gone back on their word, so more likely he cant trust them, not that they can't trust him? 34 is nothing, look at chanderpaul, jayawardne & kumar etc before they retired, ridiculous.

this trust statement is embarrassing. as soon as england falter vs NZ, let me guess the trust is gained & the big man is thrust back in the team. lets face it the battling line up is nothing special & just waiting to be dismantled by a quickie.

GSC wrote:Its time to draw a line under it. He isn't coming back

I'd have had no problem with that if they hadn't told him to score runs in county cricket then moved the goal posts again.

All they've done now is somehow turned public opinion further against themselves. The ECB is an utter mess

Olly wrote:

GSC wrote:Its time to draw a line under it. He isn't coming back

I'd have had no problem with that if they hadn't told him to score runs in county cricket then moved the goal posts again.

All they've done now is somehow turned public opinion further against themselves. The ECB is an utter mess

Exactly, Olly. And then, as you've already posted, ask the same guy you don't trust to play for you, to act as your one day adviser.

LiamB wrote:
this trust statement is embarrassing. as soon as england falter vs NZ, let me guess the trust is gained & the big man is thrust back in the team. lets face it the battling line up is nothing special & just waiting to be dismantled by a quickie.

What do you mean just waiting, it just was by those giants of the game Shannon Gabriel and Jason Holder

A few points really. Not a huge fan of KP as a person but never thought he should have been sacked after the ashes. If he'd never played again after the text debacle fine, but after the effort to reintegrate the guy, and without anyone being able to tell us what he did wrong in Australia, it seemed like scapegoating.

Yes this innings wasn't against Johnson and co, but the point is, he has done it against them in the past. Here are the England batsmen's test records vs Australia (min 2 matches).

Cook - Played 25; Hundreds 4; Av 39.71
Bell - Played 28; Hundreds 4; Av 36.83
Root - Played 9; Hundreds 1; Av 33.18
Stokes - Played 4; Hundreds 1; Av 34.87
KP - Played 27; Hundreds 4; Av 44.95
And for reference, Strauss - Played 20; Hundreds 4; Av 39.47

A clear 5 run margin on the next best - and KP played 10 of those 27 tests against the likes of McGrath and Warne (as did Bell. Cook played 5 against them).

Would this innings have put the fear of god into the Australian bowlers? It's a lot more likely to have done so than 39 for 5/123 all out against a decent-at-best WI attack.

As for his age, here are the ages of some cricketers when they played their most recent test match:

Jaques Kallis 38
Kumar Sangakkara 37
Ricky Ponting 37
Sachin Tendulkar 40
Rahul Dravid 39

He's got a couple of years left in him yet.

Really, I agree with others who say that the ECB's PR has been a disgrace. If they'd have dropped him quietly after the Ashes citing form, building for the future etc, there would have been outcry but it would have died down. The public sacking/scapegoating, along with the message that he could (maybe) play if he scored runs in county cricket, coupled with the shocking results and performances of the England team, especially in limited overs cricket, has just kept the saga rolling on and on.

355 not out. Didn't he score Surrey's last 200 runs virtually single handedly? And this is when the ECB decide to make this story news again? After the shoddy handling of the Moores sacking no less. I never want for the England cricket team to do poorly, but I hope the ECB burns.

Some good points there , banyun.  Though I rather doubt there was any "quiet" way to drop Pietersen. Whichever way it happened , there would (will) be an ongoing saga until the day he retires...
As I said on the other thread , this "not in immediate plans" would have been much better in the first place.  Too late now - that PR disaster will haunt the ECB for a while. And perhaps that approach may have influenced KP to show a little contrition instead of writing that wretched book ? Better all round...ah well it's all history now.

I thought this thread was supposed to be about Peter Moores

KP got me again...

To be fair alfie, I did briefly mention Moores in my post.  

I agree it wouldn't have been a quiet dropping, but they seemed to contrive a way to find the worst possible way to do it. Same with the Moores dismissal. I never agreed with him being appointed, but they handled his sacking disgracefully. Just the latest in a long line of farcical PR.

I've just noticed that that rant was my first post. Been lurking so long I was sure I'd posted before. I'm usually much more laid back honestly. The ECB just winds me up.

Well anyway banyan , welcome aboard ! Look forward to reading more from you.

Agree they need a new PR advisor

At least Strauss hasn't dressed it up ...one can agree or not , but he's made his position clear ; hopefully he will continue to say what he means. (I'm assuming the Moores leak wasn't his doing)

Strauss is probably the right to cite a "trust issue". From a PR perspective, sounds a lot better Strauss saying it than, say, Downton. Textgate and all

Mind, I forgot about his autobiography. Seems anyone of about thirty people could have cited a lack of trust, thinking about it.

Strauss proving himself to be a worthless clown.
Sad for the game.......
Hope mediocre England would get thrashed by New Zealand and Australia.

Alastair Cook is given the entire summer on a platter as captain of the test side, and Eoin Morgan who is unselectable on form as batsman, is retained as ODI captain!. Strauss indeed the man to bring about change!. What a joke!!!
Its all within the cosy club of the boys, and that's all they are interested in, and that's why there is no place for Pietersen.......

I couldn't be more annoyed with the ECB now. 

Shambles.

reports saying that Gillespie could be unveiled as the new coach as soon as tuesday..

wisden wrote:reports saying that Gillespie could be unveiled as the new coach as soon as tuesday..

Hopefully he will have been told before we are.

BBC reporting Gillespie "would take the England job if offered "

Which is a bit of a turn around from "would take persuading" . But I see no direct quotes so not sure if this is gospel ?

If he really has been won around by a chat with Strauss , I imagine he will get the job. Still not sure how I feel about an Australian Head Coach taking England into an Ashes Series ... By all accounts he's a good prospect , and may well be just what England need. But I'd somehow rather he was at least going to start against someone other than Australia...