Tommy Oosthuizen vs Adonis Stevenson
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Tommy Oosthuizen vs Adonis Stevenson
News coming from Golden Gloves is that Tommy Oosthuizen has entered negations for a Sept clash against Adonis Stevenson (with the proviso that they both win their tune ups). Quite happy for Tommy. Come a way since his weight and alcohol problems last year, as well as his inability to stay on a bicycle.
Reckon he has a sniff, Superman is 38 now, and he's been taken to twelve a few times now, so maybe the explosive power has reigned in, and Tommy has never been dropped. Coupled with Tommy's advantages in reach, hand and foot speed. It's a fight I think he can pull a win out in. By far the biggest jump in opposition he has made though, so he might not make the leap.
War Tommy!!
Reckon he has a sniff, Superman is 38 now, and he's been taken to twelve a few times now, so maybe the explosive power has reigned in, and Tommy has never been dropped. Coupled with Tommy's advantages in reach, hand and foot speed. It's a fight I think he can pull a win out in. By far the biggest jump in opposition he has made though, so he might not make the leap.
War Tommy!!
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Disappointed that Stevenson isn't fighting Kovalev if this is true.
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#Superduck at it again.....
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That's been binned Paul due to a problem with the television rights. Can't remember exactly but if it went ahead one of them would be sued by the channel they have a contract with (think it's a bull excuse myself buy hey ho.)
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If that's the excuse then what a complete load of horse crap.
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Have to say I've stuck up for Stevenson in the past but he is crossing the line into Quigg territory.......
Let's see who Brook picks next if it's another donkey then he can join the club....
Let's see who Brook picks next if it's another donkey then he can join the club....
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It's Kovalev that pulled out
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/sergey-kovalev-withdraws-from-purse-bid-for-adonis-stevenson-bout-000212345.html wrote:The road to a big fight is always difficult, filled with potholes and land mines that often make a seemingly simple deal mind-bogglingly complex.
On Tuesday, the likelihood of a light heavyweight title unification bout between IBF-WBA-WBO champion Sergey Kovalev and WBC champion Adonis Stevenson became far less when Main Events CEO Kathy Duva said she had decided against participating in a WBC-mandated purse bid scheduled for Friday in Mexico City.
The WBC ordered the bout for the fourth quarter of this year, after Kovalev satisfies his IBF mandatory defense with Nadjib Mohammedi in the summer. That came after Duva lobbied the organization at the WBC convention in Las Vegas in December to make Kovalev its mandatory challenger with a 50-50 purse split.
The WBC did that, but ordered the purse bid for April 17.
Part of the reason for Duva's decision to pull Kovalev from the process is Kovalev's exclusive contract with HBO, which forbids him from appearing on another network. If another promoter won the purse bid, it would then have the power to choose a television partner and that promoter could opt to put the fight on either Showtime or on a Premier Boxing Champions-affiliated network such as ABC, CBS, NBC or ESPN.
Also, Duva said it would create financial difficulty to make a purse bid down for a fight in the fourth quarter with so many unknowns. She pointed to the fluctuations of the Canadian and Russian dollars as one example.
In her letter to Sulamain, she wrote:
First of all, we are still finalizing arrangements for the IBF mandatory fight with Mohammedi, which will take place this summer. It would be entirely incongruous to hold a purse bid for the subsequent Stevenson bout prior to finalizing the Mohammedi bout.
Second of all, the early bid that has been proposed would necessarily violate the WBC rules and cause financial hardship.
Rule 2.21 states that championship contracts are due for presentment within seven (7) days of a purse bid. It also states that the date and location must be specified within fifteen (15) days of a purse bid. It is quite difficult to specify a date for the Stevenson bout months before the Mohammedi bout takes place. Typically, purse bids are built upon offers from television networks and sites. As television networks generally focus upon one bout at a time, and as so many worldwide networks are focused primarily on the upcoming mega-fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather right now, a Kovalev/Stevenson bout is not yet on their radar.
Similarly, sites want certainty, as well. Kovalev and Stevenson are both scheduled to fight other opponents this summer. As we all know, this is boxing and anything can happen. Fighters could be injured or even lose a match. When an arena locks in a date, it locks out others who may wish to contract for the arena on that same date. The same holds for major television networks. Thus the reluctance of arenas and networks in this regard is understandable.
Duva said it is her understanding that Stevenson would be agreeable to fighting on HBO. However, his promoter, Yvon Michel of GYM, said that would only be in the event that Main Events made the best offer and won the purse bid.
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.Adonis Stevenson puts on his WBC light heavyweight title belt after defeating Sakio Bika in Quebec City, on April 4. (Photo by Minas Panagiotakis/Gett...
Adonis Stevenson puts on his WBC light heavyweight title belt after defeating Sakio Bika in Quebec City, on April …
But Michael said if his group or some other promoter won the bid and opted to put the fight on a different network, he would want to do that in order to maximize revenue.
He said he was confident he could draw 20,000 to a potential Stevenson-Kovalev fight in Quebec City that could do a live paid gate well in excess of $5 million Canadian.
"She doesn't have a market to compete with that and she knows it," Michel told Yahoo Sports. However, Michel said he urged Duva to participate in the purse bid process.
WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman was unhappy when he learned of Duva's decision, and said he planend to send her a letter in response on Wednesday.
He told Yahoo Sports, "She is clearly saying by her words that the WBC is at fault. I clearly want to say that this is very disappointing. The WBC did something unprecedented, which is to make Kovalev, the champion of three other organizations, the mandatory challenger for the WBC champion, whoever it would be, Stevenson or anyone else, because he always wanted to be the WBC champion. This is a very unfortunate decision."
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.Main Events CEO Kathy Duva. (Rich Graessle/Main Events)
Main Events CEO Kathy Duva. (Rich Graessle/Main Events)
Duva said there are many practical business decisions why she made the choice to not participate.
"Unfortunately, since December, many things have changed," she said. "We have learned that there may be tentative plans for three other PPV events during the same quarter. In addition, the fact that lower-than-expected attendance and TV ratings for Adonis Stevenson’s last fight, coupled with Stevenson’s poor track record with PPV and closed circuit in Canada, have given us pause. Further, the WBC’s unexpected decision to call a purse bid in April for a fight that will not take place until the fourth quarter of 2015 would make an already speculative bid even more risky.
"The normal timeline for a purse bid bout is a maximum of 90 days. The current strength of the American dollar and fluctuating exchange rates in Russia and Canada make revenue predictions done six months in advance of this particular event even more speculative. Therefore, we cannot reliably project the anticipated revenue for a fight that would take place so far in the future. Taking into account Stevenson’s alarming decline in popularity, the highly speculative nature of the bid and the fact that both Sergey and Stevenson are scheduled to take other fights this summer, the risk of guaranteeing a PPV event in the fall is prohibitive. We simply cannot make an informed bid under these circumstances."
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Oosthuizen........With a name like that he should have a helluva swing..
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TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Have to say I've stuck up for Stevenson in the past but he is crossing the line into Quigg territory.......
Let's see who Brook picks next if it's another donkey then he can join the club....
Don't get why you must unequivocally use other fighters to try and dodge saying something about one of your own.
Stevenson is a ducker who's less popular than someone taking a crap infront of a group of 10 air crash survivors in the only pond in the desert they've crashed in.
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Why is it Quigg territory Truss?
As far as I can see he's not actually turned down a fight with anyone and his opponent is the one that didn't take the offer. Would have said it was more Frampton territory (not that I agree with either statement.
As far as I can see he's not actually turned down a fight with anyone and his opponent is the one that didn't take the offer. Would have said it was more Frampton territory (not that I agree with either statement.
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Don't think this lands at either fighter Derby, the article makes it pretty clear that Main Events pulled Kovalev out.
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Coxy001 wrote:TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Have to say I've stuck up for Stevenson in the past but he is crossing the line into Quigg territory.......
Let's see who Brook picks next if it's another donkey then he can join the club....
Don't get why you must unequivocally use other fighters to try and dodge saying something about one of your own.
Stevenson is a ducker who's less popular than someone taking a crap infront of a group of 10 air crash survivors in the only pond in the desert they've crashed in.
Stevenson isn't one of my own
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I wouldn't blame Stevenson for avoiding Kovalev after the disgraceful racist tweet he posted a few weeks back although it is the representatives of the latter who have distanced themselves from the fight happening this time.
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What did Kovalev post??
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Actually just seen it. Disgusting if you don't believe the 'naieve' excuse.
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It's a cultural thing............Visited one factory a few years ago which had a 70% Polish/Hungarian workforce (sweatshop basically... won't name the company).........and the three black workers on the shop floor that worked there were standing next to eachother on their own table..........The supervisor/Foreman told me the Polish "women" refused to work next to them......Called them HIV spreaders...
Shocking isn't it !!........Always found in my limited exposure to Eastern Europeans that If they like you.... they are the nicest people in the world............If they don't I guess watch out !!.
In fairness all my dealings with them have been good ones..
Shocking isn't it !!........Always found in my limited exposure to Eastern Europeans that If they like you.... they are the nicest people in the world............If they don't I guess watch out !!.
In fairness all my dealings with them have been good ones..
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Was a tweet of him with a kid (8-10 years age). The kid had a shirt on which had a monkey's face superimposed onto a black fighter, and he tweeted something like "Adonis looks great".
Didn't look too racist when I saw it if I'm honest, but the combination of his explanation, and typing it out does make it look bad
Didn't look too racist when I saw it if I'm honest, but the combination of his explanation, and typing it out does make it look bad
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It was a picture of him with some kid (think it was just a fan) who was wearing a T-Shirt with a picture of a monkey wearing boxing gloves on it. Kovalev was pointing at the picture on the kid's shirt and then tweeted it with a message saying, "Adonis looks really good!" or something along those lines. It was a retort to a picture of a duck that Stevenson posted, saying that this was Kovalev, and so on and so on.
The tweet was deleted within a few minutes and later that day Kovalev posted a message apologising and saying that he hadn't meant any offence and certainly hadn't intended any racial undertones. He said he was still learning what's deemed as acceptable in the States and learning properly the history of race relations there and all that jazz. Basically pleading ignorance but acknowledging that he'd been a bit naive. Whether you think he's got a case to be given the benefit of the doubt on that front is another thing.
The tweet was deleted within a few minutes and later that day Kovalev posted a message apologising and saying that he hadn't meant any offence and certainly hadn't intended any racial undertones. He said he was still learning what's deemed as acceptable in the States and learning properly the history of race relations there and all that jazz. Basically pleading ignorance but acknowledging that he'd been a bit naive. Whether you think he's got a case to be given the benefit of the doubt on that front is another thing.
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He's fought almost exclusively in the USA so he deserves no benefit of the doubt and anybody of any culture will know the racial overtones of such a statement/picture.
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Hammersmith harrier wrote:He's fought almost exclusively in the USA so he deserves no benefit of the doubt and anybody of any culture will know the racial overtones of such a statement/picture.
I'll cut him some slack as it seems to be ingrained..............Better education is probably the answer..
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Deportation is the answer.
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Kovalev fight won't happen while they fight on different networks, Kathy Duva said it when they pulled out
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Hopefully Oosthuizen wins then faces Kovalev.
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Oosthuizen will lose
Stevenson needs to stop ducking the Kov
Stevenson needs to stop ducking the Kov
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