Australia in West Indies 2015

by msp83 Tue 02 Jun 2015, 5:08 pm

First topic message reminder :

Australia are to play a couple of tests in the West Indies before the summer Ashes. Australia would be finalizing the makeup of the side and get going after the WC win, they will be playing their first test in almost 5 months. Fawad Ahmed, the legspinner is a chance to make his debut in the first test if the track could turn significantly.
As for the West Indies, they fought hard in the England series, and would be hoping to more of the same against Australia. It is the start of a new era for them, as Shiv Narine Chanderpaul's test career is all but over as he was axed for poor form in the last 2 series he played. The only regular test player from their IPL contingent, Chris Gayle is smashing it all over England and so the opening combination remains a problem and now they'll have to find someone who can step in for Chanderpaul.
Hope the West Indies would fight and make the series interesting enough.

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:01 pm

Samuels in trouble, Haddin with a confident appeal for stumping but Samuels is safe!.

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 5:03 pm

So they go to lunch at 97-3, good resolve from young debutant Shane Dowrich, and Samuels has his head in the right place so far!.

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 6:57 pm

West Indies 151-3, both Samuels and young Dowrich gone pass their halfcenturies. Still 19 away from making Australia bat again.

by kingraf Fri 05 Jun 2015, 7:01 pm

with a little better captaincy, the Windies could have been looking at manufacturing a win here, instead trying to get themselves to a place of a respectable loss.

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 7:35 pm

An excellent innings from Shane Dowrich that has made sure the Australians will have to bat a 2nd time, but now its over, Good catch from Watson as Hazelwood ends the big partnership between Samuels and the youngster.
Jermaine Blackwood in at 6, gets hit on the pad first ball but survives. Whel he's in the middle, there will be no shortage of action, one way or another!

by Corporalhumblebucket Fri 05 Jun 2015, 7:35 pm

181 - 4. Dowrich falls after stand of 144 occupying virtually 50 overs. So Windies have certainly shown plenty of application today, but they have only a tiny lead.

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 7:47 pm

West Indies go to tea at 189-4. Australia still very much in command, but today so far has belonged to the West Indies.

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 8:26 pm

Review here, Samuels given not out on field on a caught behind appeal and the Australians reviewing.
No snicko, no hotspot, he might get away with it though there was a sound when the ball went pass the bat. Not out!

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 8:30 pm

The Australians will have the 2nd new ball in 5 overs. Mitchell Johnson already into the attack though.

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 8:34 pm

Blackwood with another rush of blood moment, Runn down at Lyon and missing the ball, and stumped by a country mile!. Poor cricket, particularly just be fore the new ball. With the new ball available soon, the end might not be too far away.......

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 8:35 pm

Haddin even had enough time there to recover from a fumble there!

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 8:37 pm

Samuels in no mood to give in his title of the stupidest bat in the West Indies lineup to Blackwood, goes after Johnson and holds out in the deep, right after Blackwood's wicket, right before the new ball!!. Wasting all the hard work that he did through the day!.

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 8:41 pm

a partnership of 144, then 3 for 17! West Ineies continue to waste good positions....... Now Australia might just finish it off today itself.......

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 8:46 pm

The outfield isn't the questest in the world, still it has to be said the Australian groundfielding has been excellent here.

by KP_fan Fri 05 Jun 2015, 9:00 pm

well WI did well to avoid an innings defeat...and looked like building a lead that could have made a 4th inning chase interesting....
But...flattered to deceive

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 9:28 pm

Australia just 1 wicket away from rapping the WI innings up. West Indies losing 6 for 35!.

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 9:31 pm

2 in 2 for Mitchell Starc and Australia need only 47 to win. Starc finishes with 4, a couple each for Johnson, Hazelwood and Lyon.

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 9:34 pm

Hope Australia can still find a place for Mitchell Starc in the playing 11 when the rested Ryan Harris returns for the Ashes. Hazelwood looks a serious potential, but an attack of Harris, Johnson and Starc, supported by Lyon and Watson, that would have some serious firepower!! With Starc in there, lower order runs would be harder to come in for the opposition.......

by msp83 Fri 05 Jun 2015, 9:38 pm

Attack the top order with Johnson and Harris, steady things with Lyon and Watson, unleash Starc on the hapless lower order!. What a fine mix these Australians are getting.......
BTW, not suggesting Starc is only good for the lower order. Despite his test record not looking as impressive as his limited over one, the guy is a seriously good bowler in the longer format as well, hasn't got a run in the side really, he can swing the ball at high pace, and his fast Yorkers will be more than a handful for the lower order.......

by Corporalhumblebucket Fri 05 Jun 2015, 10:08 pm

A familiar pattern, with Windies competing well for periods of the match but then getting blown away. The Aussies are a formidable team.

by KP_fan Sat 06 Jun 2015, 7:39 am

msp83 wrote:Hope Australia can still find a place for Mitchell Starc in the playing 11 when the rested Ryan Harris returns for the Ashes. Hazelwood looks a serious potential, but an attack of Harris, Johnson and Starc, supported by Lyon and Watson, that would have some serious firepower!! With Starc in there, lower order runs would be harder to come in for the opposition.......

When Harris returns. Hazelwood will sit out....unfortunately for him that,s the power in aus pace attack now

by msp83 Sat 06 Jun 2015, 12:05 pm

They haven't given Starc a consistent run in the test side, Hazelwood has got a decent run and hasn't let anyone down. But I think Starc can be a wonderful test bowler as well, so I hope they won't sit him out when Harris comes back in.

by KP_fan Sat 06 Jun 2015, 12:19 pm

Starc's form and control had been patchy in the past.

Now , through the world cup, he was in supreme form.....so there's no way he can be left out.
while hazlewood is steady.....Starc can be a game changer.

we've gotta see how is Harri's form and fitness when he returns when he playsa couple of warm up games

by alfie Sat 06 Jun 2015, 1:19 pm

Think Hazelwood is a bit more than "steady" !

Starc is in fine form , and improving his rather ordinary Test record now as he carries his one day confidence into the long game. I don't think the choice is by any means set in stone though.

Think it will come down to warm ups/ net form. Even possible Harris won't walk back in for Cardiff.

by alfie Sat 06 Jun 2015, 1:27 pm

Good comfortable win for Australia in the end. Funny ; I watched almost only pre-lunch sessions , and a bit of the afternoon yesterday ; and West Indies were generally holding their own : but they always folded up with bat and ball once I stopped watching ...don't suppose WICB can afford to pay me to stay up all night Smile

Guess it was to be expected : the more powerful team generally overwhelms their opponent eventually , even if they resist for a while. At least encouraging for WI that young Dowrich looks as if he has what it takes. But what happened to Blackwood ?

And of course a wonderful late debut for Voges clap

Actually but for him this match might have taken a completely different course...

by msp83 Sat 06 Jun 2015, 8:11 pm

Alfie, nothing really happened to Blackwood, he was simply being himself, a bit silly in the head. Match awareness isn't his strongpoint though there is considerable ability there. He was just trying to hit Lyon to the next island and got stumped even though Haddin hadn't collected the ball well! Hope he would learn quickly and stop competing with Samuels!

by ShankyCricket Mon 08 Jun 2015, 5:33 am

msp83 wrote:Hope Australia can still find a place for Mitchell Starc in the playing 11 when the rested Ryan Harris returns for the Ashes. Hazelwood looks a serious potential, but an attack of Harris, Johnson and Starc, supported by Lyon and Watson, that would have some serious firepower!! With Starc in there, lower order runs would be harder to come in for the opposition.......

Why not Hazlewood over Johnson? MJ has a poor record outside the Southern Hemisphere, struggles on slow pitches in England and doesn't swing the Dukes ball. I believe Hazlewood can do that and he has relentless control.

by msp83 Mon 08 Jun 2015, 7:34 am

Johnson 2.0 has had lot more control and isn't really 'he bowls to the left, he bowls to the right' version. He may not find conditions in England to his like as much as the Australian or South African conditions, but the new and improved Johnson actually started his comeback in England in the ODI series in 2013 before proving his consistency in the ODI series on the flat Indian roads and then went on to have the series of his life. It should not be forgotton that Jonathan Trott's short ball issues were really exposed badly in that summer ODI series in 2013 by Johnson.
The mental impact that Johnson has on this English side is something that can't be discarded. Even if he finds himself not on top of his game leading up to the start of the series, no way can he be dropped for that first test, his presence itself is so very important and is a major psychological weapon for the Australians.

by KP_fan Mon 08 Jun 2015, 12:20 pm

Johnson after his last ashes show.... invokes "fear" in the opposition ( especially if the opponent is Eng).
even a patchy Johnson will deliver more impact on the game ....than a steady fast medium bowler.

When he steams and hits the deck at 95mph....likes of Anderson and Broad are likely to back off in memories of "fear"...and polishing-off the tail will be easier.
remember he finished Trott and Flower's career on that tour

and I believe eng's new opener and Ali are also vulnerable to such pace.

by Mike Selig Mon 08 Jun 2015, 2:27 pm

KP_fan wrote:
remember he finished Trott and Flower's career on that tour

No he didn't. Depression "finished" Trott (although he's still playing as far as I'm aware). Frankly your continued posting about this is insulting to the millions out there suffering from similar afflictions and only belies your ignorance.

Flower is still coaching as far as I know.

by VTR Mon 08 Jun 2015, 3:38 pm

Mike Selig wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
remember he finished Trott and Flower's career on that tour

No he didn't. Depression "finished" Trott (although he's still playing as far as I'm aware). Frankly your continued posting about this is insulting to the millions out there suffering from similar afflictions and only belies your ignorance.

Flower is still coaching as far as I know.

Nicely put thumbsup

by KP_fan Mon 08 Jun 2015, 8:10 pm

Mike Selig wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
remember he finished Trott and Flower's career on that tour

No he didn't. Depression "finished" Trott (although he's still playing as far as I'm aware). Frankly your continued posting about this is insulting to the millions out there suffering from similar afflictions and only belies your ignorance.

Flower is still coaching as far as I know.

DZ - As someone who has suffered with depression I'm not too happy to see such remarks about an awful illness thrown around to get a rise out of people. And I'll put that out there for more than just you if it is to be discussed on this thread.

by JDizzle Mon 08 Jun 2015, 9:10 pm

'Depression is a flimsy cover' Rolling Eyes

by Mike Selig Mon 08 Jun 2015, 10:07 pm

I've edited this further to DZ's intervention.

Thanks Dolph.

Reaction was maybe OTT but that touched a particular nerve.

Flower is coaching the England Lions and I think involved in the Academy as well so very much still coaching.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 08 Jun 2015, 10:12 pm

Further to that, gladly PM me if anyone is taking depression as some laughable illness and I'll make my mod self known.

by KP_fan Tue 09 Jun 2015, 1:40 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
remember he finished Trott and Flower's career on that tour

No he didn't. Depression "finished" Trott (although he's still playing as far as I'm aware). Frankly your continued posting about this is insulting to the millions out there suffering from similar afflictions and only belies your ignorance.

Flower is still coaching as far as I know.

DZ - As someone who has suffered with depression I'm not too happy to see such remarks about an awful illness thrown around to get a rise out of people. And I'll put that out there for more than just you if it is to be discussed on this thread.

Hello DZ.....who are you ?

by KP_fan Tue 09 Jun 2015, 1:48 pm

Ok...I see Dolphin Ziggler...Moderator.

your point understood.

I did not allude to Trott having a "Depression".....some otehr poster did and tried to garner sympathy, pity etc by sticking "depression" label.

As far as I am concerned, the discussion is around cricket and mental strengths or the lack of it in the sport.

regards

by KP_fan Tue 09 Jun 2015, 1:51 pm

Flower's international career was finished with that tour...

he can coach who-ever A/B/ club/ junior sides...but if he is not the coach ( or Team director) of an international side...then that tour broke him

by Mike Selig Tue 09 Jun 2015, 3:59 pm

KP_fan wrote:
I did not allude to Trott having a "Depression".....some otehr poster did and tried to garner sympathy, pity etc by sticking "depression" label.

Trott had clinical depression. It is not a label, it is a very real, debilitating, clinical condition. Putting it in inverted commas doesn't make it less so. I wasn't garnering sympathy, I was pointing out the factual inaccuracies of your post.

Again your language is insulting. I don't understand what it costs you to be decent and why you are so reticent to act like a human being.

KP_fan wrote:
As far as I am concerned, the discussion is around cricket and mental strengths or the lack of it in the sport.

I really really hope you're not equating depression with lack of mental strength?

by alfie Tue 09 Jun 2015, 4:21 pm

I wouldn't bother discussing with him , Mike. He's impervious to logic and incapable of grasping what is obvious to the rest of us...

by Mike Selig Tue 09 Jun 2015, 4:25 pm

Usually I agree with the "don't feed the troll" principle, but some topics are too important to be ignored. This, IMO, is one of them.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 09 Jun 2015, 4:38 pm

I'd say let it slide on this occasion. Lets put it to bed, chaps.

by KP_fan Tue 09 Jun 2015, 6:47 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I'd say let it slide on this occasion. Lets put it to bed, chaps.

Ok I follow your advise....today thumbsup

by msp83 Tue 09 Jun 2015, 6:53 pm

I wouldn't judge Trott's health condition as such. But was there any real clarity as to what it really was? Stress related illness it was projected to b when he left the toure, but I seem to remember Trott himself saying it was not a case of depression?
And besides all that, Trott's technique was areally worked over by Johnson, and subsequently the likes of Taylor and Gabriel tried the same strategy and Trott found himself closely scrutinized on his short ball technique, and I would say that's pretty much down to Johnson.

by KP_fan Tue 09 Jun 2015, 6:57 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/10697493/Jonathan-Trott-I-wasnt-suffering-from-depression-I-was-just-burnt-out.html

yeah...some people here know more than what Trott knows about himself laughing

well.... I made a promise to a mod to just a while back....so I'll move on and the touchy woman gets spared Sad

by Mike Selig Tue 09 Jun 2015, 7:12 pm

oh good we can add sexism to your charming list of attributes KPF... How nice.

by KP_fan Tue 09 Jun 2015, 9:54 pm

Another man ( a man) would have said........sorry mate I was b.ull sh.ttng Smile

by msp83 Thu 11 Jun 2015, 5:02 pm

The 2nd test is underway. West Indies won the toss and are bowling. They had a horrible start even before the toss as Devendra Bishoo was ruled out as his spinning finger has not recovered. Marlon Samuels is also out with illness. Shannon Gabriel is dropped. Permaul, Chandrika and Roach coming in. Australia unchanged.
Jerom Taylor has been his usual self with the new ball, snapping up David Warner in the very first over for a duck, and then taking out Shaun Marsh in his 3rd over. Australians haven't scored a run of Taylor in his first spell. Kemar Roach doesn't look his usual self though, he's looking more like his recent self, the pace is not as high as it used to be, and he's not hitting the right areas consistently, offering up a scoring opportunity every now and then. And when he got a bouncer right on target, he got a return catch from Michael Clarke, but Roach denied himself by overstepping. The Australians took that as the sign to push back and counterattack, and has quickly moved on to 47-2, it should have been 22-3.......

by msp83 Thu 11 Jun 2015, 5:03 pm

Taylor done with his first spell, the ball not that new, there is no Bishoo. Can see Clarke and Smith posting hundreds and a 200+ partnership between the 2 now.......

by msp83 Thu 11 Jun 2015, 5:05 pm

Roach is producing a few good balls, but there is no luck going for him, when he found Smith's edge with a fine delivery, it went in the gap and ran away for 4. And then he had Clarke beaten all ends up with a fine ball, only to get smashed for 6 of the next one.......

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