Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
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Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
I was quite pleased to see Nick K lose to Gasquet as I thought the Australian's behaviour and demeanour were poor. Inevitably, there are now those saying he is a breath of fresh air, while others reckon he's a brat.
No doubt there will be others saying he has to behave like this, otherwise he can't play. Frankly, this is nonsense. You can play aggressively, arrogantly even (look at Federer) without being disrespectful or rude or loutish.
Anyone can be a brat. Very few can play tennis really, really well. Kyrgios is an immense talent. He has to decide whether he wants to be a clown or a champion.
Views please.
No doubt there will be others saying he has to behave like this, otherwise he can't play. Frankly, this is nonsense. You can play aggressively, arrogantly even (look at Federer) without being disrespectful or rude or loutish.
Anyone can be a brat. Very few can play tennis really, really well. Kyrgios is an immense talent. He has to decide whether he wants to be a clown or a champion.
Views please.
sirfredperry- Posts : 7076
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Re: Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
Well he's obviously a complete @r$e, that's not even in dispute. That being the case, there are some crucial factors at play here; he's only just out of his teenage years, he's extremely rich, has obvious potential, and has no shortage of sycophants available, so it's not totally shocking. The hairstyle pretty much tells you what to expect.
The question will be whether he grows up.
The question will be whether he grows up.
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Bogbrush
According to Murray, he's actually a nice guy away from the court. Perhaps more the new Johnny Mac than the new Connors?
I do think he's overstepped the mark a few times already in his short career, but as you say he is young, has a lot of ability and the potential to perhaps be the next superstar. Needs to grow up a bit though, and learn how to use the emotional energy to his best advantage (or as McEnroe used to do, to most disadvantage your opponent).
According to Murray, he's actually a nice guy away from the court. Perhaps more the new Johnny Mac than the new Connors?
I do think he's overstepped the mark a few times already in his short career, but as you say he is young, has a lot of ability and the potential to perhaps be the next superstar. Needs to grow up a bit though, and learn how to use the emotional energy to his best advantage (or as McEnroe used to do, to most disadvantage your opponent).
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Re: Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
I don't think he's disrespectful... Just a little emotional. Tennis is a weird sport, with the mics on so close, and the attention being magnified. If you think a 20-year old footballer behaves any different after a missing an easy shot than Kyrgios does after a missed volley, I've got this beach house I could sell you in Downtown Johannesburg.
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Imo tennis needs him as the sport is stagnating at the top and needs some young blood in there.
The tanking was poor but in a morass of soulless characters, he is great entertainment.
The tanking was poor but in a morass of soulless characters, he is great entertainment.
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Re: Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
This was always likely. When you put s lively kid like that in the spotlight he's bound to start getting ahead of himself. Put simply he's both. Take example from Tsonga or Monfils. They can be real showman on the court, but they aren't brats about it. He needs to be careful to not go the way of tomic
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Re: Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
Nobody is a dick everywhere, it's an aspect of his character that shows itself in these situations. Like you say, needs to grow up.... unless he is actually a dick for good.dummy_half wrote:Bogbrush
According to Murray, he's actually a nice guy away from the court. Perhaps more the new Johnny Mac than the new Connors?
I do think he's overstepped the mark a few times already in his short career, but as you say he is young, has a lot of ability and the potential to perhaps be the next superstar. Needs to grow up a bit though, and learn how to use the emotional energy to his best advantage (or as McEnroe used to do, to most disadvantage your opponent).
bogbrush- Posts : 11169
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If you were his coach you'd wanna jump of a cliff after that disaster yesterday. The young kid has no discipline at all
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I don't mind Kyrgios the player. I just hope he is not in danger in trying to be someone he isn't. Seems he is taking the whole "image is everything" to heart. He doesn't strike me as the most naturally charismatic of people.
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Re: Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
He'll look back at this one day and be embarrassed. But the only person he really hurt was himself. He'll have lost some fans, he'll have agitated some sponsors... He will learn though. He's not the first cocky 19 year old who is convinced he knows better, and he won't be the last.
He has some positive sides to his personality. He's a showman, an entertainer and clearly wants to be liked. He just had a teenage strop. For the good or the bad, I must admit I like watching him. He's box office, that's for sure.
He has some positive sides to his personality. He's a showman, an entertainer and clearly wants to be liked. He just had a teenage strop. For the good or the bad, I must admit I like watching him. He's box office, that's for sure.
Danny_1982- Posts : 3233
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I agree with BB. In other words, if someone is 90% of the time nice and 10% of the time a d1ck, then they are a d1ck.
Henman Bill- Posts : 5265
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He has no self respect so its hardly a surprise he has none for anyone else.
They accuse Montfils for showboating but at least Montfils does it with humour and without disrespecting anyone.
McEnroe was a brat and even Murray had a certain streak when he was younger .. but frankly I don't think he will grow up .. he might be good but he thinks he is better than that. The sport needs fresh young blood but do we really want this as the new face of tennis.?
If so ill find another sport to watch
They accuse Montfils for showboating but at least Montfils does it with humour and without disrespecting anyone.
McEnroe was a brat and even Murray had a certain streak when he was younger .. but frankly I don't think he will grow up .. he might be good but he thinks he is better than that. The sport needs fresh young blood but do we really want this as the new face of tennis.?
If so ill find another sport to watch
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Re: Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
A bit of both really.
I enjoy watching him play and think he's the best hope of the younger players. He's made himself look a bit stupid but as has been said he's young and will learn.
I enjoy watching him play and think he's the best hope of the younger players. He's made himself look a bit stupid but as has been said he's young and will learn.
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Re: Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
Some articles today saying how shocked and hurt he is by the criticism he has had over what has happened at Wimbledon. One below.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33438976
Some of them were over the top and should not have been said IMO. However Kyrgios does not appear to think he is doing much wrong. Therefore I'm not so sure he will learn. This should be a wake up call for him. He is a very good prospect and tennis needs characters but there needs to be some respect for the game and officials. His brand of tennis should speak for itself without the histrionics.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33438976
Some of them were over the top and should not have been said IMO. However Kyrgios does not appear to think he is doing much wrong. Therefore I'm not so sure he will learn. This should be a wake up call for him. He is a very good prospect and tennis needs characters but there needs to be some respect for the game and officials. His brand of tennis should speak for itself without the histrionics.
Calder106- Posts : 1380
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Kyrgios treads a fine line. Of the youngsters breaking through just now he looks the most likely to become a slam winner. Tantrums and rants are part of his make-up and feel that fiery temper will always be there and if he is good enough then I am sure we can all live with that. However, the non-trying stuff we saw from him against Gasquet is a big NO NO and that sort of stuff cannot be brushed under the carpet. It is totally unacceptable.
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" I don't really want them to love me. I don't want their love, but everyone deserves respect."
Then he needs to take heed of his own words.
Being young does not excuse his disregard of the rules and disrespect of his opponents and officials, He is not a child he is an adult
Then he needs to take heed of his own words.
Being young does not excuse his disregard of the rules and disrespect of his opponents and officials, He is not a child he is an adult
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I think he's a breath of fresh air - I don't get the feeling that he's deliberate: I don't think he's pandering to anyone to get attention or to be loved. I think he really is the guy he appears to be and that is refreshing. He is a kid, and perhaps he'll grow up, or perhaps he'll still be doing this when he has grey hair.
Re: Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
Brat - and if that continues should be banned from playing in Wimbledon again
Losing your temper is one thing - the total lack of respect by not even trying is totally different - that would have been an embarassment if a 4 year old did it
My POV - Grow up or P##s off
Losing your temper is one thing - the total lack of respect by not even trying is totally different - that would have been an embarassment if a 4 year old did it
My POV - Grow up or P##s off
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Re: Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
Haddie-nuff wrote:" I don't really want them to love me. I don't want their love, but everyone deserves respect."
Then he needs to take heed of his own words.
Being young does not excuse his disregard of the rules and disrespect of his opponents and officials, He is not a child he is an adult
And he is not actaully young - he is 20 years old - if 15 then that would be different
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Nobody deserves respect, this is another piece of media-inspired garbage right up there with "because you're worth it" or the human right to all sorts of stuff. It has to be earned (or at least maintained).Haddie-nuff wrote:" I don't really want them to love me. I don't want their love, but everyone deserves respect."
Then he needs to take heed of his own words.
Being young does not excuse his disregard of the rules and disrespect of his opponents and officials, He is not a child he is an adult
bogbrush- Posts : 11169
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Exactly respect does have to be earned
Even children need to learn respect. Age is immaterial.
Boris Becker, for all his faults, was a respectful 17 yr old Wimbledon Champion. At 20yrs old are you not considered a man??
Even children need to learn respect. Age is immaterial.
Boris Becker, for all his faults, was a respectful 17 yr old Wimbledon Champion. At 20yrs old are you not considered a man??
Haddie-nuff- Posts : 6936
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Re: Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
He's a bit of a goose ; and surely he must realize his behaviour the other day was out of order.
That said I wouldn't want to crucify him for a temporary lapse , even though it isn't his first. Young , emotional , etc...
But where I was disappointed was in his press conference determination to justify himself : all he needed to say was , " OK , I was a bit of a prat , I was upset , sorry " - but instead he got into a game of words with the media , trying to make out he'd done nothing wrong.
Don't these kids use PR advisors ?
That said I wouldn't want to crucify him for a temporary lapse , even though it isn't his first. Young , emotional , etc...
But where I was disappointed was in his press conference determination to justify himself : all he needed to say was , " OK , I was a bit of a prat , I was upset , sorry " - but instead he got into a game of words with the media , trying to make out he'd done nothing wrong.
Don't these kids use PR advisors ?
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Re: Kyrgios - Brat or Breath of Fresh Air ?
Meanwhile, the world #1 had to apologise for shouting at a ball girl. Again.
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