Summer Tournament Round Three - Pools C & D
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Summer Tournament Round Three - Pools C & D
Home teams to be named by 23:59 hours on Tuesday 14th July 2015
Away teams to be named by 23:59 hours on Wednesday 15th July 2015
Tactics by 23:59 hours on Thursday 16th July
Predictions to be PM’d to Ozzy3213 by 18:00 hours on Sunday 18th July 2015
Away teams to be named by 23:59 hours on Wednesday 15th July 2015
Tactics by 23:59 hours on Thursday 16th July
Predictions to be PM’d to Ozzy3213 by 18:00 hours on Sunday 18th July 2015
Pool C
Bulls vs. Northampton Saints
Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
Bulls
Manager – Frans Ludeke
01. Morne Mellett | 09. Rudy Paige |
02. Adrian Strauss | 10. Handre Pollard |
03. Marcel van der Merwe | |
04. Flip van der Merwe | 11. Travis Ismaiel |
05. Grant Hattingh | 12. Burger Odendaal |
06. Arno Botha | 13. JJ Engelbrecht |
07. Jacques du Plessis | 14. Francois Hougaard |
08. Pierre Spies | 15. Jesse Kriel |
16 Callie Visagie 17 Trevor Nyakane 18 Werner Kruger 19 Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg 20 Roelof Smit 21 Bjorn Basson 22 Tiaan Schoeman 23 Jacques-Louis Potgeiter
Northampton Saints
01. Mako Vunipola | 09. Sam Hildago-Cline |
02. Dylan Hartley | 10. George Ford |
03. Ramiro Herrera | |
04. Jonny Gray | 11. Nick Cummins |
05. Courtney Lawes | 12. Weslie Fofana |
06. Facunda Isa | 13. Alex Dunbar |
07. Yannick Nyanga | 14. Tommy Bowe |
08. Billy Vunipola | 15. Leigh Halfpenny |
Chiefs vs. Wasps
Waikato Stadium, Waikato
Chiefs
Manager – Dave Rennie
01. Mitchell Graham | 09. Augustine Pulu |
02. Hika Elliot | 10. Aaron Cruden |
03. Ben Tameifuna | |
04. Matt Symons | 11. James Lowe |
05. Brodie Retallick | 12. Sonny Bill Williams |
06. Liam Messam | 13. Charlie Ngatai |
07. Sam Cane | 14. Tim Nanai-Williams |
08. Michael Leitch | 15. Damien McKenzie |
16 Quentin MacDonald 17 Pauliasi Manu 18 Jamie Mackintosh 19 Michael Fitzgerald 20 Sean Polwart 21 Brad Weber 22 Andrew Horrell 23 Bryce Heem
London Welsh
Manager – CJ
01. Ben Arous | 09. Rhodri Williams |
02. Corey Flynn | 10. Francois Trinh-Duc |
03. Sekope Kepu | |
04. Grant Gilchrist | 11. Frank Halai |
05. Donnacha Ryan | 12. Kyle Godwin |
06. Chris Robshaw | 13. Rob Horne |
07. Alexandre Lapandary | 14. George Loala |
08. Victor Vito | 15. Craig Gilroy |
16. David Kilcoyne, 17. Richardt Strauss, 18. James Johnston, 19. Luke Charteris, 20. John Barclay, 21. Ben Spencer , 22. Finn Russell, 23. Chris Pennell
Waratahs vs. Bath Rugby
ANZ Stadium, Sydney
Waratahs
Manager – Michael Cheika
01. Benn Robinson | 09. Nick Phipps |
02. Tatafu Polota-Nau | 10. Bernard Foley |
03. Sekope Kepu | |
04. Will Skelton | 11. Rob Horne |
05. Dave Dennis | 12. Kurtley Beale |
06. Jacques Potgieter | 13. Adam Ashley-Cooper |
07. Michael Hooper | 14. Taqele Naiyaravoro |
08. Wycliff Palu | 15. Israel Folau |
16 Silatolu Latu 17 Jeremy Tilse 18 Paddy Ryan 19 Sam Lousi 20 Mitch Chapman 21 Stephen Hoiles 22 Brendan McKibbin 23 Matt Carraro
Bath Rugby
Manager – CJB
01. Steven Kitchoff | 09. Richard Wigglesworth |
02. Richard Hibbard | 10. Nicolas Sanchez |
03. Samson Lee | |
04. Graham Kitchener | 11. George North |
05. Sam Whitelock | 12. Damian De Allende |
06. Dan Lydiate | 13. Michele Campagnaro |
07. Justin Tipuric | 14. Christian Wade |
08. Toby Falateu | 15. Alex Goode |
Pool D
Worcester Warriors vs. Harlequins
Sixways, Worcester
Worcester Warriors
01. Joe Moody | 09. Rory Kockott |
02. Codie Taylor | 10. Dan Biggar (K) |
03. Henry Thomas | |
04. Kieran Tredwell | 11. Nehe Millner-Skudder |
05. Dean Mumm | 12. Jaimie Roberts |
06. Jacques Potgeiter | 13. Antonin Leniert-Brown |
07. George Smith | 14. Waisake Naholo |
08. Ben Morgan | 15. Mathew Tait |
16. Ross Batty 17. Val Ruskin 18. Davit Kubriashvilli 19. Tom Savage 20. David Sisi 21.Lee Dickson 22. Jules Plisson 23. Venriki Goneva
Can I have feedback on the following please:
*Front row and back row,
*Tredwell and Leniert-Brown starting,
*Bench balance for impact.
Harlequins
1. Tony Woodcock
2. Scott Baldwin
3. Kieran Brookes
4. Luke Romano
5. Jim Hamilton
6. Mamuka Gorgodze
7. Tom Wood
8. Nick Easter
9. Ruan Pienaar
10. Steven Myler
11. Jack Nowell
12. Jan Serfontein
13. Francois Venter
14. Yoann Huget
15. Juan Martin Hernandez
16. Schalk Brits 17. Gurthro Steenkamp 18. John Afoa 19. George Kruis 20. Jamie Gibson 21. Luke McGrath 22. Colin Slade 23. Santiago Cordero
Feedback for a wet weather side please.
Hurricanes vs. Brumbies
Westpac Stadium, Wellington
Leicester Tigers vs. Sharks
Welford Road, Leicester
Leicester Tigers
Manager – LukeLovesLuka
01. Alex Corbisiero | 09. Kahn Fotuali'i |
02. Hika Elliot | 10. Freddie Burns (K) |
03. Owen Franks | |
04. Pascal Pape (c) | 11. Drew Mitchell |
05. Steve Mafi | 12. Dan Bowden |
06. JMF Lobbe | 13. Mathieu Bastareaud |
07. Francois Louw | 14. Cheslin Kolbe |
08. Thomas Waldrom | 15. Mike Brown |
16. Stephen Moore 17. Gethin Jenkins 18. Cencus Johnston 19. Victor Matfield 20. Juan Smith 21. Micky Young 22. Billy Twelvetrees 23. Rene Ranger
Sharks
Manager – Gary Gold
01. Tendai Mtawarira | 09. Cobus Reinach |
02. Bismarck du Plessis | 10. Patrick Lambie |
03. Jannie du Plessis | |
04. Pieter-Steph du Toit | 11. Lwazi Mvovo |
05. Stephan Lewies | 12. Francois Steyn |
06. Marcell Coetzee | 13.Waylon Murray |
07. Willem Alberts | 14. JP Pietersen |
08. Ryan Kankowski | 15. SP Marais |
16 Kyle Cooper 17 Thomas du Toit 18 Lourens Adriaanse 19 Marco Wentzel 20 Renaldo Bothma 21 Michael Claassens 22 Fred Zeilinga 23 Odwa Ndungane
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London Welsh
Manager – CJ
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16. David Kilcoyne, 17. Richardt Strauss, 18. James Johnston, 19. Luke Charteris, 20. John Barclay, 21. Ben Spencer , 22. Finn Russell, 23. Chris Pennell
Feedback on best back 3 and centres especially please, also locks
Manager – CJ
01. Ben Arous | 09. Rhodri Williams |
02. Corey Flynn | 10. Francois Trinh-Duc |
03. Sekope Kepu | |
04. Grant Gilchrist | 11. Frank Halai |
05. Donnacha Ryan | 12. Kyle Godwin |
06. Chris Robshaw | 13. Rob Horne |
07. Alexandre Lapandary | 14. George Loala |
08. Victor Vito | 15. Craig Gilroy |
16. David Kilcoyne, 17. Richardt Strauss, 18. James Johnston, 19. Luke Charteris, 20. John Barclay, 21. Ben Spencer , 22. Finn Russell, 23. Chris Pennell
Feedback on best back 3 and centres especially please, also locks
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01. Mako Vunipola | 09. Sam Hildago-Cline |
02. Dylan Hartley | 10. George Ford |
03. Ramiro Herrera | |
04. Jonny Gray | 11. Nick Cummins |
05. Courtney Lawes | 12. Weslie Fofana |
06. Facunda Isa | 13. Alex Dunbar |
07. Yannick Nyanga | 14. Tommy Bowe |
08. Billy Vunipola | 15. Leigh Halfpenny |
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01. Joe Moody | 09. Rory Kockott |
02. Codie Taylor | 10. Dan Biggar (K) |
03. Henry Thomas | |
04. Kieran Tredwell | 11. Nehe Millner-Skudder |
05. Dean Mumm | 12. Jaimie Roberts |
06. Jacques Potgeiter | 13. Antonin Leniert-Brown |
07. George Smith | 14. Waisake Naholo |
08. Ben Morgan | 15. Mathew Tait |
16. Ross Batty 17. Val Ruskin 18. Davit Kubriashvilli 19. Tom Savage 20. David Sisi 21.Lee Dickson 22. Jules Plisson 23. Venriki Goneva
Can I have feedback on the following please:
*Front row and back row,
*Tredwell and Leniert-Brown starting,
*Bench balance for impact.
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Treadwell should be playing for Chiefs...
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1. Tony Woodcock
2. Scott Baldwin
3. Kieran Brookes
4. Luke Romano
5. Jim Hamilton
6. Mamuka Gorgodze
7. Tom Wood
8. Nick Easter
9. Ruan Pienaar
10. Steven Myler
11. Jack Nowell
12. Jan Serfontein
13. Francois Venter
14. Yoann Huget
15. Juan Martin Hernandez
16. Schalk Brits 17. Gurthro Steenkamp 18. John Afoa 19. George Kruis 20. Jamie Gibson 21. Luke McGrath 22. Colin Slade 23. Santiago Cordero
Feedback for a wet weather side please.
2. Scott Baldwin
3. Kieran Brookes
4. Luke Romano
5. Jim Hamilton
6. Mamuka Gorgodze
7. Tom Wood
8. Nick Easter
9. Ruan Pienaar
10. Steven Myler
11. Jack Nowell
12. Jan Serfontein
13. Francois Venter
14. Yoann Huget
15. Juan Martin Hernandez
16. Schalk Brits 17. Gurthro Steenkamp 18. John Afoa 19. George Kruis 20. Jamie Gibson 21. Luke McGrath 22. Colin Slade 23. Santiago Cordero
Feedback for a wet weather side please.
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Leicester Tigers
Manager – LukeLovesLuka
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16. Stephen Moore 17. Gethin Jenkins 18. Cencus Johnston 19. Victor Matfield 20. Juan Smith 21. Micky Young 22. Billy Twelvetrees 23. Rene Ranger
Manager – LukeLovesLuka
01. Alex Corbisiero | 09. Kahn Fotuali'i |
02. Hika Elliot | 10. Freddie Burns (K) |
03. Owen Franks | |
04. Pascal Pape (c) | 11. Drew Mitchell |
05. Steve Mafi | 12. Dan Bowden |
06. JMF Lobbe | 13. Mathieu Bastareaud |
07. Francois Louw | 14. Cheslin Kolbe |
08. Thomas Waldrom | 15. Mike Brown |
16. Stephen Moore 17. Gethin Jenkins 18. Cencus Johnston 19. Victor Matfield 20. Juan Smith 21. Micky Young 22. Billy Twelvetrees 23. Rene Ranger
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Bath Rugby
Manager – CJB
01. Steven Kitchoff | 09. Richard Wigglesworth |
02. Richard Hibbard | 10. Nicolas Sanchez |
03. Samson Lee | |
04. Graham Kitchener | 11. George North |
05. Sam Whitelock | 12. Damian De Allende |
06. Dan Lydiate | 13. Michele Campagnaro |
07. Justin Tipuric | 14. Christian Wade |
08. Toby Falateu | 15. Alex Goode |
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RESULTS
Bulls 22 (T:2 P:4)
Northampton Saints 32 (T:4 C:3 P:2)
Chiefs 33 (T:4 C:2 P:3)
Wasps 23 (T:2 C:2 P:3)
Waratahs 30 (T:4 C:2 P:2)
Bath Rugby 30 (T:4 C:2 P:2)
Worcester Warriors 28 (T:3 C:2 P:3)
Harlequins 26 (T:3 C:1 P:3)
Hurricanes 29 (T:4 C:3 P:1)
Brumbies 9 (P:3)
Leicester Tigers 31 (T:4 C:4 P:1)
Sharks 25 (T:3 C:2 P:2)
Bulls 22 (T:2 P:4)
Northampton Saints 32 (T:4 C:3 P:2)
Chiefs 33 (T:4 C:2 P:3)
Wasps 23 (T:2 C:2 P:3)
Waratahs 30 (T:4 C:2 P:2)
Bath Rugby 30 (T:4 C:2 P:2)
Worcester Warriors 28 (T:3 C:2 P:3)
Harlequins 26 (T:3 C:1 P:3)
Hurricanes 29 (T:4 C:3 P:1)
Brumbies 9 (P:3)
Leicester Tigers 31 (T:4 C:4 P:1)
Sharks 25 (T:3 C:2 P:2)
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Bulls vs Northampton Saints
Bulls 20–20 Northampton Saints
Not too much in the front rows and similar story in the locks with Saints perhaps just shading. Bulls stronger on the flanks but Saints better at 8, not too much in the pack battle.
Paige shades the 9’s but I’d take Ford ahead of Pollard currently but both combo’s close. One a piece in the centres but Saints combo probably slightly better and same again in the back 3. Close game, Saints slightly better in the backs but Loftus a tough place to win.
Bulls 25-31 Northampton Saints
Saints a step up in the front row and the second row. Feel that the backrow may be slightly closer but like the look of Isa and think Saints will get good ball. Half backs good for Saints (a good long-term pairing here). Same with centres and back 3 with Saints just being too strong and Kriel the only saving grace for Bulls. Bench not too bad for Bulls but bringing on Manoa and Burgess will be huge for Saints here and give them a big win.
Bulls 26 - 33 Northampton Saints
Saints have the international quality throughout the front 5, although Strauss and Flip will make life difficult. Back row is close, with a lot of talent for the Bulls. Half backs are stronger for Saints, and think they have a comfortable advantage in the rest of the backs too. Good matchup, but Saints are a quality side and it will tell.
Bulls 24-29 Northampton Saints
It’s a decent Bull side with good players through it, but they just didn’t function well this season. It’s a well balanced Saints pack who would be great in the loose. I couldn’t see them dominating a scrum battle against a decent unit, but they would hold their own. One area that could be a concern is the breakdown where they lack anyone who is top class over the ball, so would have to find another way in that area. Nice halfback pairing with Hidalgo-Cline’s control and Ford’s spark, and decent outside backs gives them a comfortable win.
Bulls 20-28 Northampton Saints
Can't see much between the sides set piece wise but Saints front 5 offers more carrying and at the ruck area. Neither backrow is really balanced but there is a good power carrying game to the Saints combo. Saints halfbacks edge and think they would work well together. Think the Saints midfield would work better the other way around but feel they have a good edge on the Bulls here.
Bulls 23 - 25 Northampton Saints
Bulls 24-27 Northampton Saints
Saints better front 5 gives them a platform for their more classy backs to score points. Bulls have better Flankers and will cause saints breakdown issues but not enough.
Bulls 13 - 34 Northampton Saints
The real contest is up front, and one test that Saints can pass with relative ease. I like the spine of the Saints side as they look sharp and electric with ball hand, but also the ability to play tactical if needed. Saints have the firepower out wide to pile on the misery for a bad Bulls season.
Bulls 20–20 Northampton Saints
Not too much in the front rows and similar story in the locks with Saints perhaps just shading. Bulls stronger on the flanks but Saints better at 8, not too much in the pack battle.
Paige shades the 9’s but I’d take Ford ahead of Pollard currently but both combo’s close. One a piece in the centres but Saints combo probably slightly better and same again in the back 3. Close game, Saints slightly better in the backs but Loftus a tough place to win.
Bulls 25-31 Northampton Saints
Saints a step up in the front row and the second row. Feel that the backrow may be slightly closer but like the look of Isa and think Saints will get good ball. Half backs good for Saints (a good long-term pairing here). Same with centres and back 3 with Saints just being too strong and Kriel the only saving grace for Bulls. Bench not too bad for Bulls but bringing on Manoa and Burgess will be huge for Saints here and give them a big win.
Bulls 26 - 33 Northampton Saints
Saints have the international quality throughout the front 5, although Strauss and Flip will make life difficult. Back row is close, with a lot of talent for the Bulls. Half backs are stronger for Saints, and think they have a comfortable advantage in the rest of the backs too. Good matchup, but Saints are a quality side and it will tell.
Bulls 24-29 Northampton Saints
It’s a decent Bull side with good players through it, but they just didn’t function well this season. It’s a well balanced Saints pack who would be great in the loose. I couldn’t see them dominating a scrum battle against a decent unit, but they would hold their own. One area that could be a concern is the breakdown where they lack anyone who is top class over the ball, so would have to find another way in that area. Nice halfback pairing with Hidalgo-Cline’s control and Ford’s spark, and decent outside backs gives them a comfortable win.
Bulls 20-28 Northampton Saints
Can't see much between the sides set piece wise but Saints front 5 offers more carrying and at the ruck area. Neither backrow is really balanced but there is a good power carrying game to the Saints combo. Saints halfbacks edge and think they would work well together. Think the Saints midfield would work better the other way around but feel they have a good edge on the Bulls here.
Bulls 23 - 25 Northampton Saints
Bulls 24-27 Northampton Saints
Saints better front 5 gives them a platform for their more classy backs to score points. Bulls have better Flankers and will cause saints breakdown issues but not enough.
Bulls 13 - 34 Northampton Saints
The real contest is up front, and one test that Saints can pass with relative ease. I like the spine of the Saints side as they look sharp and electric with ball hand, but also the ability to play tactical if needed. Saints have the firepower out wide to pile on the misery for a bad Bulls season.
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Chiefs vs Wasps
Chiefs 28–21 Wasps
Slight scrum advantage for Welsh but Chiefs better in the locks and flanks with Vito going well at 8. Chiefs stronger at halfback and again a step up in the centres and back 3. Tough day at the office for Welsh with Chiefs very strong at home.
Chiefs 29-22 Wasps
Can't see much between the set pieces and overall both sides compete well at the breakdown. Possibly a bit more carrying to the Chiefs pack though. Halfbacks one a piece but Chiefs stronger as a combo and can see them getting the midfield working well running at the space around Horne. Back threes tighter. Think both fullbacks have issues defensively. Chiefs 9-13 axis gives them the win in this one.
Chiefs 32-25 Wasps
Whilst Wasps are improving, if I went man for man in these starting XV’s, only two Wasps players would make the team, and none of those are in the back line, which means that the Chiefs will do a lot more with the ball than Wasps. Wasps quality is enough to get them some points on the board, but I just think the Chiefs get more in this one.
Chiefs 32 - 28 Wasps
Chiefs have more WC players in key positions. Good strike runners in Wasps backline that will benefit from a strong lineout but away from home asking a little too much. Pennell a definite starter, espc now Worcester back in the AP.
Chiefs 30-24 Wasps
Front rows and 2nd rows are an advantage for Chiefs but the back row is slightly closer however I don’t think Wasps will get enough front foot ball. Chiefs a slight step up at half backs and centres with Godwin appearing to go quiet at the moment. Back 3 is good for Wasps and, if they get ball, could cause issues. Steady bench for Wasps but Chiefs have good impact and strong all over.
Chiefs 31 - 28 Wasps
Tough one for Wasps this. Think they can get the advantage at the scrum, but the lineout and breakdown is going to be very tough against an excellent Chiefs outfit. Cruden is the class at halfback, while I think the Wasps centre combo is lacking a bit, and up against SBW and Ngatai is likely to struggle. Gets close once the benches unload, but on the road this was a big ask against such a strong side
Chiefs 24 - 22 Wasps
Chiefs 25- 22 Wasps
Chiefs locks make this game easier for them. Wasps pairing lack form and not at this level. Chiefs also have classier backs to stretch wasps out wide
Chiefs 24 - 19 Wasps
Wasps can match the Chiefs industry up front, but just lacks the star quality of Chiefs pack. The quick service from Pulu and Cruden allows Chiefs to play quick and fast rugby. Wasps have some creativity and magic to keep Chiefs under pressure, with Moala's power causing issues. Unsure about Gilroy at 15 would be much more useful on the wing for me. Tough day for Wasps, but Chiefs will win out.
Chiefs 28–21 Wasps
Slight scrum advantage for Welsh but Chiefs better in the locks and flanks with Vito going well at 8. Chiefs stronger at halfback and again a step up in the centres and back 3. Tough day at the office for Welsh with Chiefs very strong at home.
Chiefs 29-22 Wasps
Can't see much between the set pieces and overall both sides compete well at the breakdown. Possibly a bit more carrying to the Chiefs pack though. Halfbacks one a piece but Chiefs stronger as a combo and can see them getting the midfield working well running at the space around Horne. Back threes tighter. Think both fullbacks have issues defensively. Chiefs 9-13 axis gives them the win in this one.
Chiefs 32-25 Wasps
Whilst Wasps are improving, if I went man for man in these starting XV’s, only two Wasps players would make the team, and none of those are in the back line, which means that the Chiefs will do a lot more with the ball than Wasps. Wasps quality is enough to get them some points on the board, but I just think the Chiefs get more in this one.
Chiefs 32 - 28 Wasps
Chiefs have more WC players in key positions. Good strike runners in Wasps backline that will benefit from a strong lineout but away from home asking a little too much. Pennell a definite starter, espc now Worcester back in the AP.
Chiefs 30-24 Wasps
Front rows and 2nd rows are an advantage for Chiefs but the back row is slightly closer however I don’t think Wasps will get enough front foot ball. Chiefs a slight step up at half backs and centres with Godwin appearing to go quiet at the moment. Back 3 is good for Wasps and, if they get ball, could cause issues. Steady bench for Wasps but Chiefs have good impact and strong all over.
Chiefs 31 - 28 Wasps
Tough one for Wasps this. Think they can get the advantage at the scrum, but the lineout and breakdown is going to be very tough against an excellent Chiefs outfit. Cruden is the class at halfback, while I think the Wasps centre combo is lacking a bit, and up against SBW and Ngatai is likely to struggle. Gets close once the benches unload, but on the road this was a big ask against such a strong side
Chiefs 24 - 22 Wasps
Chiefs 25- 22 Wasps
Chiefs locks make this game easier for them. Wasps pairing lack form and not at this level. Chiefs also have classier backs to stretch wasps out wide
Chiefs 24 - 19 Wasps
Wasps can match the Chiefs industry up front, but just lacks the star quality of Chiefs pack. The quick service from Pulu and Cruden allows Chiefs to play quick and fast rugby. Wasps have some creativity and magic to keep Chiefs under pressure, with Moala's power causing issues. Unsure about Gilroy at 15 would be much more useful on the wing for me. Tough day for Wasps, but Chiefs will win out.
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Waratahs vs Bath Rugby
Waratahs 27–22 Bath Rugby
Not a lot in the front rows a one a piece in the engine room (Skelton/Whitelock combo would be tasty). Tah’s stronger on the flanks but Falateu a step up on Palu. Tah’s a touch better in both halfback positions and again the same in the centres. Bath just shade the back 3 but Tah’s another side very good at home and strong throughout.
Waratahs 29-29 Bath Rugby
Really tough to split. I’d take the Bath pack and the Waratahs backs. Whilst I’m not a fan of the Bath back row, it has worked for Wales at international level, so you have to accept that it works here and gives them some decent ball to play with. The main issue they have are a couple of defensive frailties in the back line, and against this Tahs backline that’s a problem, as they can score from anywhere. Can’t separate this one, sorry.
Waratahs 33-30 Bath Rugby
Slight scrum edge to Tahs with the 2nd row helping them to lock it down. Bath can cause a few issues at the lineout though. Breakdown wise hard to separate the sides but Tahs with more of a carrying game through the pack. Halfbacks edge to Tahs. 10s tight but Phipps ahead of Wiggles. Love the power of the Tahs back three but midfield battle fairly tight. Feel Tahs have enough about them for this one.
Waratahs 30-25 Bath Rugby
Bath a bit stronger in front row but keeping an eye on whether Lee comes back strong or not. Personally prefer the Tahs 2nd row but Bath no shirkers here. Back row fairly even with Bath having a Welsh back row but Tahs having good form here. Tahs a step up at half back and this will help their centres. Bath strong defensively in centres though so won’t let much through. Bath good out wide but Tahs very strong and will get the better ball. Better impact from Bath will bring them back into it but not enough.
Waratahs 27 -29 Bath Rugby
Bath stronger in the set piece, both lineout and scrum should go well. Tough to call round the park, Hooper will have plenty of success at the breakdown, and I think Bath lack a bit of heavy duty carrying, with their locks being excellent but in the athletic mould. Fancy Waratahs to win the carrying battle, and I’ll call the breakdown evens. In the backs, Waratahs slightly stronger at both half back positions, while both sets of outside backs look quality. I’d favour the Bath centres slightly, while Waratahs stronger in the back 3. Bath have a better bench as you would expect with our squads, and that will just about get them home
Waratahs 26 - 34 Bath Rugby
Waratahs are going to struggle containing the Bath backline, who are pretty much electric and have lots of tries from all over the place - would start Williams in the back three at expense of North currently. Bath more than match front five and provide a great platform to control the game.
Waratahs 28 - 28 Bath Rugby
Waratahs 29-26 Bath Rugby
Waratahs have home advantage and their backrow are better in each position and set the tone. One a piece at half backs with Phipps and Sanchez standouts. Tahs more dangerous in the backs and can see them scoring more.
Waratahs 26 - 29 Bath Rugby
Bath have the ability to stifle the Tahs pack and cut of their supply of attacking ball. With Wiggles and Sanchez Bath can play a clever tactial game and get them in the right places on the paddock. This will allow their dangerous backs to score and pressure the tahs.
Waratahs 27–22 Bath Rugby
Not a lot in the front rows a one a piece in the engine room (Skelton/Whitelock combo would be tasty). Tah’s stronger on the flanks but Falateu a step up on Palu. Tah’s a touch better in both halfback positions and again the same in the centres. Bath just shade the back 3 but Tah’s another side very good at home and strong throughout.
Waratahs 29-29 Bath Rugby
Really tough to split. I’d take the Bath pack and the Waratahs backs. Whilst I’m not a fan of the Bath back row, it has worked for Wales at international level, so you have to accept that it works here and gives them some decent ball to play with. The main issue they have are a couple of defensive frailties in the back line, and against this Tahs backline that’s a problem, as they can score from anywhere. Can’t separate this one, sorry.
Waratahs 33-30 Bath Rugby
Slight scrum edge to Tahs with the 2nd row helping them to lock it down. Bath can cause a few issues at the lineout though. Breakdown wise hard to separate the sides but Tahs with more of a carrying game through the pack. Halfbacks edge to Tahs. 10s tight but Phipps ahead of Wiggles. Love the power of the Tahs back three but midfield battle fairly tight. Feel Tahs have enough about them for this one.
Waratahs 30-25 Bath Rugby
Bath a bit stronger in front row but keeping an eye on whether Lee comes back strong or not. Personally prefer the Tahs 2nd row but Bath no shirkers here. Back row fairly even with Bath having a Welsh back row but Tahs having good form here. Tahs a step up at half back and this will help their centres. Bath strong defensively in centres though so won’t let much through. Bath good out wide but Tahs very strong and will get the better ball. Better impact from Bath will bring them back into it but not enough.
Waratahs 27 -29 Bath Rugby
Bath stronger in the set piece, both lineout and scrum should go well. Tough to call round the park, Hooper will have plenty of success at the breakdown, and I think Bath lack a bit of heavy duty carrying, with their locks being excellent but in the athletic mould. Fancy Waratahs to win the carrying battle, and I’ll call the breakdown evens. In the backs, Waratahs slightly stronger at both half back positions, while both sets of outside backs look quality. I’d favour the Bath centres slightly, while Waratahs stronger in the back 3. Bath have a better bench as you would expect with our squads, and that will just about get them home
Waratahs 26 - 34 Bath Rugby
Waratahs are going to struggle containing the Bath backline, who are pretty much electric and have lots of tries from all over the place - would start Williams in the back three at expense of North currently. Bath more than match front five and provide a great platform to control the game.
Waratahs 28 - 28 Bath Rugby
Waratahs 29-26 Bath Rugby
Waratahs have home advantage and their backrow are better in each position and set the tone. One a piece at half backs with Phipps and Sanchez standouts. Tahs more dangerous in the backs and can see them scoring more.
Waratahs 26 - 29 Bath Rugby
Bath have the ability to stifle the Tahs pack and cut of their supply of attacking ball. With Wiggles and Sanchez Bath can play a clever tactial game and get them in the right places on the paddock. This will allow their dangerous backs to score and pressure the tahs.
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Worcester Warriors vs Harlequins
Worcester 28–23 Harlequins
Not too much in the front rows and one a piece in the locks with Quins combo slightly stronger. Worcester take the backrow with a touch more balance and would get on top at the breakdown. Wuss stronger at halfback and 12 and take the back 3 with a good unit. Paacks pretty tight but Wuss a level up in the backline take this one at home.
Worcester 24-22 Harlequins
Scrum edge to Quins but feel both could be under pressure against some of the better front rows in the league. Lineout could be similar against better sides. Think the Quins 2nd row is lacking a bit of mobility. Will do well carrying wise but could be outworked at the rucks in the wet. Hard to split the sides at the breakdown. Halfbacks one a piece and both offer good control overall. Too soon for ALB for me hasn't really stepped up at senior level yet. Think there is more about the Worc backs in an attacking sense but Quins looking strong kicking wise and defensively. Would possibly consider Slade 15. Hernandez 12. Senfortin 13. for the wet Steve to give the extra boot in midfield. Hard to separate here. Its the ability of the Worc wings to make something out of nothing that edges this. Wet weather and Steve would dominate territory in this one.
Worcester 20 – 23 Harlequins
Quins have gone with a heavy duty pack, and that will be a real challenge for the Worcester side. Fancy Quins to dominate possession, and their big backs will have a big threat against the more flair players that Worcester have gone with. Equally, I’d fancy Milner Skudder and Naholo to do some damage. I reckon Quins will just have too much ball and will win this one in a low scoring game
Worcester – Front row looks solid to me, might struggle a bit against the real scrummaging front rows but otherwise not too bad. Back row looks balanced, but Smith’s rating will depend on how he goes, although you’ve obviously got Warbs. Too early for Treadwell to start other than in Euro games for me, probably the same with Leinart-Brown too as you have Bennett. Bench players are good, but Sisi is probably a bit weak, and don’t know much about Ruskin.
Quins – Dominant pack in wet weather conditions, if you’re playing tactical kicking type game then fine for me, would be a tough opponent for any side in the league.
Worcester Warriors 30 - 26 Harlequins
Probably influenced by Quins picking a wet weather team, while Warriors have a lot more attacking players and assumed its in good conditions. Quins pack perfect for conditions if wet weather, backs got good variety and kicking games - just not sure if the bench is quite right, would start Kruis as well. Worcester can punish teams with limited ball as do see the Quins pack winning the battle there.
Worcester Warriors 25-28 Harlequins
Worcester front 5 lacks a bit of experience and leadership, whereas Quins have plenty of it. I can’t see Worcester getting on the front foot enough to really hurt Quins. That said, they have sparkling backs who can score off scraps, which keeps them in the game, but Quins will have enough control from the back and half backs to get the job done.
Worcester 26-29 Harlequins
Quins massive and physical and can see their front 5 completely dominating Worcester making this a great away win.
Worcester Warriors 25 - 22 Harlequins
Close up front with neither side really getting an upper hand, again same story in the line out, with Wood and Mumm shining lights for both sides. Warriors are more ingrossed at the breakdown and can really hamper the Quins attack. Quins have some good talent on show but perhaps lack a little creativity in midfield. Warriors with Roberts getting them good gainline success, look sharp especially when Naholo and Skudder get the ball in space.
Steve - I think for wet weather I'd be looking at JMH at 12 and Kearney at 15, allows for tactical kicking as well as creativity for when in attack.
Prop - Treadwell perhaps a little early to start. Otherwise I would consider swapping Kubs and Thomas in terms of impact and solidity.
Worcester 28–23 Harlequins
Not too much in the front rows and one a piece in the locks with Quins combo slightly stronger. Worcester take the backrow with a touch more balance and would get on top at the breakdown. Wuss stronger at halfback and 12 and take the back 3 with a good unit. Paacks pretty tight but Wuss a level up in the backline take this one at home.
Worcester 24-22 Harlequins
Scrum edge to Quins but feel both could be under pressure against some of the better front rows in the league. Lineout could be similar against better sides. Think the Quins 2nd row is lacking a bit of mobility. Will do well carrying wise but could be outworked at the rucks in the wet. Hard to split the sides at the breakdown. Halfbacks one a piece and both offer good control overall. Too soon for ALB for me hasn't really stepped up at senior level yet. Think there is more about the Worc backs in an attacking sense but Quins looking strong kicking wise and defensively. Would possibly consider Slade 15. Hernandez 12. Senfortin 13. for the wet Steve to give the extra boot in midfield. Hard to separate here. Its the ability of the Worc wings to make something out of nothing that edges this. Wet weather and Steve would dominate territory in this one.
Worcester 20 – 23 Harlequins
Quins have gone with a heavy duty pack, and that will be a real challenge for the Worcester side. Fancy Quins to dominate possession, and their big backs will have a big threat against the more flair players that Worcester have gone with. Equally, I’d fancy Milner Skudder and Naholo to do some damage. I reckon Quins will just have too much ball and will win this one in a low scoring game
Worcester – Front row looks solid to me, might struggle a bit against the real scrummaging front rows but otherwise not too bad. Back row looks balanced, but Smith’s rating will depend on how he goes, although you’ve obviously got Warbs. Too early for Treadwell to start other than in Euro games for me, probably the same with Leinart-Brown too as you have Bennett. Bench players are good, but Sisi is probably a bit weak, and don’t know much about Ruskin.
Quins – Dominant pack in wet weather conditions, if you’re playing tactical kicking type game then fine for me, would be a tough opponent for any side in the league.
Worcester Warriors 30 - 26 Harlequins
Probably influenced by Quins picking a wet weather team, while Warriors have a lot more attacking players and assumed its in good conditions. Quins pack perfect for conditions if wet weather, backs got good variety and kicking games - just not sure if the bench is quite right, would start Kruis as well. Worcester can punish teams with limited ball as do see the Quins pack winning the battle there.
Worcester Warriors 25-28 Harlequins
Worcester front 5 lacks a bit of experience and leadership, whereas Quins have plenty of it. I can’t see Worcester getting on the front foot enough to really hurt Quins. That said, they have sparkling backs who can score off scraps, which keeps them in the game, but Quins will have enough control from the back and half backs to get the job done.
Worcester 26-29 Harlequins
Quins massive and physical and can see their front 5 completely dominating Worcester making this a great away win.
Worcester Warriors 25 - 22 Harlequins
Close up front with neither side really getting an upper hand, again same story in the line out, with Wood and Mumm shining lights for both sides. Warriors are more ingrossed at the breakdown and can really hamper the Quins attack. Quins have some good talent on show but perhaps lack a little creativity in midfield. Warriors with Roberts getting them good gainline success, look sharp especially when Naholo and Skudder get the ball in space.
Steve - I think for wet weather I'd be looking at JMH at 12 and Kearney at 15, allows for tactical kicking as well as creativity for when in attack.
Prop - Treadwell perhaps a little early to start. Otherwise I would consider swapping Kubs and Thomas in terms of impact and solidity.
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Leicester Tigers vs Sharks
Leicester Tigers 29–27 Sharks
Not much in a great scrum battle but Tigers just sneak the engine room with PSDT no form. Tigers just take the backrow by a smidge but a very good battle.
Little in the 9’s bit Lambie better than Burns currently. Not much in the centre battle but Tigers a touch stronger in the back 3. Another tight game with Tigers sneaking it at home.
Leicester Tigers 28-26 Sharks
Fairly even in the front row with Elliot helping Tigers here. 2nd row a bit more for Tigers with their partnership. Not a lot with the back row but feel Louw will get on top of Alberts here. 1 a piece in halfbacks and centres but Tigers will have better ball. Outwide I think Tigers are well set for a close game and taking key breaks in the gaps in defence. A strong Sharks bench but also a good experienced Tigers bench which will close out the game.
Leicester Tigers 30-24 Sharks
Small edges to Tigers pretty much across the board against a Sharks team who have quality but lack form. Pretty routine home win.
Leicester Tigers 24 - 19 Sharks
Again a dominant pack that Tigers can put out, but not sure if their centre combination and back three are there to take full advantage of the ball they can secure. If they could get a top class creative centre then it turns closish games into potential big winning margins.
Leicester Tigers 30 -24 Sharks
Close up front, big names in both front rows but form an issue. Great back row battle, think the power of Sharks flankers matches up well with Tigers, probably about equal around the park. Prefer Sharks halfbacks, but rest of the backs would go to the Tigers side. With the bench quality, and home advantage, they take this one
Leicester Tigers 24-20 Sharks
Hard to separate the sides at the set piece but feel Tigers can edge the breakdown with Louw, Lobbe & Bast all chipping in. Halfbacks edge to Sharks while midfield is one a piece. More about the Tigers back three but form becoming an issue for Brown. Good impact off the bench for Tigers as well. Tight game but better ball on show for Tigers gives them the win.
Leicester Tigers 23 - 22 Sharks
Leicester Tigers 30-28 Sharks
Even in the pack. Really don't see Mafi as good enough for the pack. Corbs needs some form also. Would say sharks half backs better but they are in poor form like most of the sharks. Can see Leicesters more dangerous back 3 winning this for them
Leicester Tigers 23 - 27 Sharks
Tigers match up the Sharks pack and gets them some go forward ball. This allows Burns to get the likes of Basteraud, Mitchell and Kolbe on the front foot and on the attack. Sharks will fight back, but there is just enough from the Tigers side to see away the Sharks.
Leicester Tigers 29–27 Sharks
Not much in a great scrum battle but Tigers just sneak the engine room with PSDT no form. Tigers just take the backrow by a smidge but a very good battle.
Little in the 9’s bit Lambie better than Burns currently. Not much in the centre battle but Tigers a touch stronger in the back 3. Another tight game with Tigers sneaking it at home.
Leicester Tigers 28-26 Sharks
Fairly even in the front row with Elliot helping Tigers here. 2nd row a bit more for Tigers with their partnership. Not a lot with the back row but feel Louw will get on top of Alberts here. 1 a piece in halfbacks and centres but Tigers will have better ball. Outwide I think Tigers are well set for a close game and taking key breaks in the gaps in defence. A strong Sharks bench but also a good experienced Tigers bench which will close out the game.
Leicester Tigers 30-24 Sharks
Small edges to Tigers pretty much across the board against a Sharks team who have quality but lack form. Pretty routine home win.
Leicester Tigers 24 - 19 Sharks
Again a dominant pack that Tigers can put out, but not sure if their centre combination and back three are there to take full advantage of the ball they can secure. If they could get a top class creative centre then it turns closish games into potential big winning margins.
Leicester Tigers 30 -24 Sharks
Close up front, big names in both front rows but form an issue. Great back row battle, think the power of Sharks flankers matches up well with Tigers, probably about equal around the park. Prefer Sharks halfbacks, but rest of the backs would go to the Tigers side. With the bench quality, and home advantage, they take this one
Leicester Tigers 24-20 Sharks
Hard to separate the sides at the set piece but feel Tigers can edge the breakdown with Louw, Lobbe & Bast all chipping in. Halfbacks edge to Sharks while midfield is one a piece. More about the Tigers back three but form becoming an issue for Brown. Good impact off the bench for Tigers as well. Tight game but better ball on show for Tigers gives them the win.
Leicester Tigers 23 - 22 Sharks
Leicester Tigers 30-28 Sharks
Even in the pack. Really don't see Mafi as good enough for the pack. Corbs needs some form also. Would say sharks half backs better but they are in poor form like most of the sharks. Can see Leicesters more dangerous back 3 winning this for them
Leicester Tigers 23 - 27 Sharks
Tigers match up the Sharks pack and gets them some go forward ball. This allows Burns to get the likes of Basteraud, Mitchell and Kolbe on the front foot and on the attack. Sharks will fight back, but there is just enough from the Tigers side to see away the Sharks.
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Good work Pete, liking the new system
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Re: Summer Tournament Round Three - Pools C & D
Full tables up later, but quick snapshot for you in case it impacts this weeks team selections.
Pool C
1. Northampton Saints - 15 points
2. Chiefs - 14 points
3. Waratahs - 9 points
4. Bath Rugby - 8 points
5. Wasps - 1 point
6. Bulls - 1 point
Pool D
1. Hurricanes - 15 points
2. Worcester Warriors - 10 points
3. Harlequins - 8 points
4. Leicester Tigers - 6 points
5. Brumbies - 6 points
6. Sharks - 3 points
This weeks match threads will be up this afternoon.
Pool C
1. Northampton Saints - 15 points
2. Chiefs - 14 points
3. Waratahs - 9 points
4. Bath Rugby - 8 points
5. Wasps - 1 point
6. Bulls - 1 point
Pool D
1. Hurricanes - 15 points
2. Worcester Warriors - 10 points
3. Harlequins - 8 points
4. Leicester Tigers - 6 points
5. Brumbies - 6 points
6. Sharks - 3 points
This weeks match threads will be up this afternoon.
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Doing pretty awfully really
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It's probably the toughest group CJ, I wouldn't be too concerned
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