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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:22 pm

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/9970861/adrian-broner-faces-khabib-allkhverdiev-for-wba-crown

Adrien Broner has been handed the chance to become a four-weight champion in front of his hometown fans by the WBA.

Broner, who has won titles at super featherweight, lightweight and welterweight, is set to face fellow former world champion Khabib Allakhverdiev for the vacant WBA light welterweight title on October 3.



Not sure 'which' WBA title this will be for, but given Broner is very much at the 'Duke McKenzie' end of the triple-weight world champs list, surely there can't be many more examples of boxers handed such gravitas on a plate??

Maybe 'the machine' still considers him super-marketable, despite the shambles of the last 2 years, but boxing fans have long since recognised Broner isn't the vaunted second coming of Mayweather, so God knows who's signing his huge paycheques.

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Post by Mr Bounce Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:30 pm

Given the WBA seem to give belts away at any given event, I am hardly surprised. What I am surprised at is the weight class: Broner struggled badly to make 144 in his last fight against Porter. I don't see him doing well here. One more loss or a failure to make weight and he becomes just an opponent.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:49 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/9970861/adrian-broner-faces-khabib-allkhverdiev-for-wba-crown

Adrien Broner has been handed the chance to become a four-weight champion in front of his hometown fans by the WBA.

Broner, who has won titles at super featherweight, lightweight and welterweight, is set to face fellow former world champion Khabib Allakhverdiev for the vacant WBA light welterweight title on October 3.



Not sure 'which' WBA title this will be for, but given Broner is very much at the 'Duke McKenzie' end of the triple-weight world champs list, surely there can't be many more examples of boxers handed such gravitas on a plate??

Maybe 'the machine' still considers him super-marketable, despite the shambles of the last 2 years, but boxing fans have long since recognised Broner isn't the vaunted second coming of Mayweather, so God knows who's signing his huge paycheques.

Leo Gamez............Was a four weight world champion......Though the OP has never heard of him (which isn't a crime...............)

He is right in his assertion that Broner would be a pretty poor addition to the four weight group......But I'm afraid he's the sign of things to come...

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 01 Sep 2015, 4:26 pm

In many ways Broner isn't the one to blame really, he's just milking the system for all it's worth. His title reigns are largely a joke, and his 'status' an embarrassment to boxing history, but he's a right to earn what he can from what is, afterall, a short & dnagerous career (especially when much of it is spent boiling down).

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Post by AdamT Tue 22 Sep 2015, 1:39 pm

Yes top hat the man is a clown.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 05 Oct 2015, 10:10 am

Bump.

The BS continues.

Having googled it I'd say he's actually the worst, even Gamez sounds better than.

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Post by AdamT Mon 05 Oct 2015, 10:13 am

Yes this clown can call himself a 4 weight champion. He can box, but has been found to be nothing extraordinary.

The only think he shares with Floyd, is his ability to be a c..t.

Least Floyd comes across decent and mature at times. I really can't have Broner at all.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 05 Oct 2015, 10:19 am

Broner has genuine skills, but his titles have been gifted. Bullying smaller guys, freebie against PM (a W he didn't deserve) and fighting for a vacant versus bang average Escobedo.

Only his LW win versus DeMarco has any legitimacy in my eyes.

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Post by AdamT Mon 05 Oct 2015, 10:24 am

He could make a decent Light welter, but I think he needs better footwork.

He is too easy to tag against the top guys and doesn't throw enough.

He tries to fight like Floyd, but doesn't have the skill set to pull it off against really good fighters.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 05 Oct 2015, 10:48 am

Floyd's footwork is magic and his face almost untouchable. Broner's shoulder roll in comparison is almost embarassing.

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Post by AdamT Mon 05 Oct 2015, 10:51 am

I'm just not sold on him. We are talking about a four weight champ here. This is what is wrong with boxing today.

On paper he looks amazing because of the titles, but he is anything but amazing. Adrien has skills, but he lacks something at the top level. He is still young enough, but I doubt he can change.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 05 Oct 2015, 12:11 pm

I think Broner's been poorly managed.........Moved from super feather to welterweight in less than a year......It's too much too fast.......

Nothing wrong with bullying guys..It's Boxing you're supposed to...

You play to your strengths...

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Post by adamk Mon 05 Oct 2015, 2:38 pm

Congrats to Broner in the win (I don't particularly like him) he has wasted no time in calling out the big names for his first defence

Crawford.... no
Postol...... no

Ashley Theophane..... Bingo!

No I know fighters tend to go for an "easy" 1st defence but surely he can do better than that?!

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/10018698/ashley-theophane-ready-to-accept-adrien-broners-challenge

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Post by Herman Jaeger Mon 05 Oct 2015, 4:36 pm

Forgot to mention Broner. He's the other standout cherrypicker at the axis, for me.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 05 Oct 2015, 4:56 pm

Look at his title record:

SFW:

Vacant WBO against Vicente Rodriguez (34-2, not one recognisable win and losses to Kickett [?] and Benitez [?])
Defended against Eloy Perez (23-0 fringe contender) and Escobedo (26-3, losses to any decent guy he's fought)

LW:

Bt DeMarco for WBC title (28-2 Valero victim, also now lost to Vargas & Bartelemy, best win Linares)
Defend against Gavin Rees (enough said)

WW:

Gifted an SD against Paulie M (lost to every top fighter he's fought) havig gotten away with multiple point-deduction infringements
Lost/battered around the ring by Maidana (34-3, lost to all the good boxers he's fought)

LWW/WW:

Few keep busy fights against average opposition (Molina, Taylor, Molina Jr) before getting beaten by Shawn Porter.

LWW:

Beats absolute nobody Allakhverdiev for vacant title.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 05 Oct 2015, 5:05 pm

He still won those titles............A four weight world champion.

That's what it's all about....winning.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon 05 Oct 2015, 5:24 pm

And if Brit fighters were gifted so easily you'd kick up a massive stink.

He's had it about as hard as Quigg but you don't shut up about the Manc and his 'title'.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 05 Oct 2015, 5:44 pm

He's only won one title......

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 9:50 am

That's not your point. He 'won' that but you deride him. Broner 'won' his but you give him a pass.

You slate Quiggs oppo but say nothing about how easy Broner gets it.

If Quigg had been handed the same easy opportunities Broner had he probably would be a multi-weight world champ by now too - and you'd be seething.

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Post by AdamT Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:18 am

Worst 4 weight champion ever, without a doubt.

Duran,Hearns,Leonard,De la hoya, Whitaker,Jones JR,Mayweather,Pacquiao,Marquez etc, and little old Adrien Broner.

His bloody name looks lost in that list.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:21 am

I've never given Broner a pass.....

He's fought better fighters than quigg......end of.

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Post by AdamT Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:22 am

Yes he has, can't argue that.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:22 am

Rodriguez? Kicket? Benitez? Rees? Behave.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:23 am

Maidana .......porter...

I said he's fought better fighters...

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Post by AdamT Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:24 am

I guess I was thinking of Maidana and Porter, but he lost them.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:24 am

Maidana, de Marco and maybe Pauli M or Barthelemy are the only guys better than what Quigg has fought.

EDIT: and Porter, which he lost, like Maidana.


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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:25 am

AdamT wrote:Worst 4 weight champion ever, without a doubt.

Duran,Hearns,Leonard,De la hoya, Whitaker,Jones JR,Mayweather,Pacquiao,Marquez etc, and little old Adrien Broner.

His bloody name looks lost in that list.

Never heard of Leo Gamez then....... Rolling Eyes

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:25 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Maidana .......porter...

I said he's fought better fighters...

Flip flop flip flop...... Rolling Eyes

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:35 am

Joey Gamache better than Broner ???

Vinny Paz ????

Maurice Pastrano ??

Maybe Vinny........All these fighters Toppy and Adam haven't heard of..

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Post by AdamT Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:38 am

Haven't heard of some of them for a reason Truss. Unforturnately I have heard of Broner.

Actually I do know Vinny Paz, but could care less about him.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:46 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Joey Gamache better than Broner ???

Vinny Paz ????

Maurice Pastrano ??

Maybe Vinny........All these fighters Toppy and Adam haven't heard of..

None are 4 weight world champs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_boxing_quadruple_champions


Unless you're just being a complete bell end and including any old muck for the sake of your pony argument. In which case I look forward to you acknowledging Audley Harrison as a bonadife HW world champion thanks to his WBF belt...... Rolling Eyes

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:47 am

AdamT wrote:Haven't heard of some of them for a reason Truss. Unforturnately I have heard of Broner.

Actually I do know Vinny Paz, but could care less about him.

You said he was the worst four time champ in history a minute ago..

Now you're saying you haven't heard of a load of others..

Are you dumb ??

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:52 am

Are you??

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:55 am

Your whole pitiful purpose every day is to come here and wind me up.....

It isn't working.....

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Post by AdamT Tue 06 Oct 2015, 11:05 am

Yes Truss I am dumb.

All insults aside you need to lay of the steroids dude. Doesn't make you a man you know. Roid rage and all that.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 11:06 am

I'm not annoyed...Just think you should know a bit about history before making grand statements..

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Post by AdamT Tue 06 Oct 2015, 11:07 am

Adrien Broner is the worst 4 weight champion that I know of.

Is that better??

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 11:09 am

That's better.. thumbsup

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 06 Oct 2015, 11:46 am

Only Trussman could defend that clown...

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Post by AdamT Tue 06 Oct 2015, 11:53 am

Adrien "the next Floy Mayweather" Broner.

Similar to Man Utd signing Djemba Djemba and proclaiming he is the next Keane.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 12:33 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Only Trussman could defend that clown...

I'm no fan of Broner.....But he's a good fighter..

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Post by AdamT Tue 06 Oct 2015, 12:35 pm

Don't think anybody is disputing that Truss, but he is a 4 weight champion.

For me it makes a mockery of the whole jumping weights. Was he ever the best at any weight?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 12:37 pm

It only matters if you regard titles as important....

I don't.......

Titles died years ago..

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Post by AdamT Tue 06 Oct 2015, 12:39 pm

I don't particulary hold titles as high. Probably why I don't class Frampton or Quigg as world champions.

They aren't in my eyes. Rigondeaux is.


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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:45 pm

Titles only matter to Truss if they are or were or will be held by a Floyd Mayweather opponenent.

20 years at the top......40 current past or future champs beaten....etc etc

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Post by AdamT Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:48 pm

Yeah Floyd likes to state he beat more world champs than anyone.

Does he not realise other eras only had one or two belts per divison?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:49 pm

People are very good on here at telling me what I think.......

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:02 pm

We don't tell you what you think. We repeat what you say to laugh at your hypocrisy.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:47 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Only Trussman could defend that clown...

I'm no fan of Broner.....But he's a good fighter..

He would be a good fighter if he didn't rest on his laurels. Enjoys the fame too much.

Calling out Theophane? Says alot about him.

Postol, Herrera, Peterson, Crawford and Barthelemy would all beat him IMO

Even quit job Matthysse or Provo would stand better then a 50/50 chance.

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Post by Hands Of Stone Tue 06 Oct 2015, 7:46 pm

2 fighters coming off loses that fight for a title, sums it up really

Broner has got to be among if not the worst 4 weight champions yes, was exposed by maidana, porter and even malignaggi, neither of those 3 are elite themselves.

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