Hooper Out!

by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 9:42 am

First topic message reminder :

Hooper was out and out the best flanker of the 3rd round of games. Its just amazing that before the game we all know what he's going to do yet in the storm of battle most of us are unable to defeat this fella. A remarkable talent thumbsup

by Cyril Wed 07 Oct 2015, 11:01 am

Steffan is VERY Welsh. I guess he's just trying to fill the void left by the sadly-missed Gwlad and Rainbow Warrior.

by RubyGuby Wed 07 Oct 2015, 11:18 am

Lets focus on the rugby this stuff is getting a bit silly yeah

by LordDowlais Wed 07 Oct 2015, 12:01 pm

People on this forum are so precious.

FFS. Just lighten up.

by Heaf Wed 07 Oct 2015, 1:38 pm

Talking of voids, where's 'The Saint'? He was always good for a laugh ...

by Seagultaf Wed 07 Oct 2015, 1:44 pm

The dual standards shown by the officials in this competition have again surfaced with the banning for 5 weeks of Samoa's Alesana Tuilagi for allowing his knee to come into contact with the Japanese player who was tacking him at the time. Looking at the clip, it's quite extraordinary it looks accidental and a far less serious offence than Farrell's and Hooper's shoulder charges and Wood's kick to Liam Williams head.
If this had been his brother Manu, wearing the white shirt of England, would any action have been taken?

by Geordie Wed 07 Oct 2015, 1:52 pm

Its appalling giving Alex Tuilagi 5 Weeks yet Hooper has only gone 1!!!!

It wont matter much as those will cover rest games and we have better wingers....however the Falcons are penalised for four games yet Hoopers team don't suffer in the WC....

by Seagultaf Wed 07 Oct 2015, 2:00 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Its appalling giving Alex Tuilagi 5 Weeks yet Hooper has only gone 1!!!!

It wont matter much as those will cover rest games and we have better wingers....however the Falcons are penalised for four games yet Hoopers team don't suffer in the WC....

Hooper's incident was probably the least serious as there was no player injured. Both Farrell and Wood got away scot free despite injuring their opponents through their foul play. If Tugali deserves 5 weeks Wood should have got 12!

by lostinwales Wed 07 Oct 2015, 2:02 pm

Seagultaf wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Its appalling giving Alex Tuilagi 5 Weeks yet Hooper has only gone 1!!!!

It wont matter much as those will cover rest games and we have better wingers....however the Falcons are penalised for four games yet Hoopers team don't suffer in the WC....

Hooper's incident was probably the least serious as there was no player injured. Both Farrell and Wood got away scot free despite injuring their opponents through their foul play. If Tugali deserves 5 weeks Wood should have got 12!

Plus time on for almost kneeing Lydiate in the shoulder picard

by ChequeredJersey Wed 07 Oct 2015, 3:37 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
Biltong wrote:
Cyril wrote:
Biltong wrote:Is Farrell out for shouldering Giteau this past weekend?

Farrell was carded during the game. Hooper wasn't.

Why does that matter?

Same transgression.

I agree, it's another strange and inconsistent decision that seems to have blighted this RWC.

I don't believe that it was at all.

Farrell's is an (arguably accidental, though it looked a tad dodgy to me) off-the-ball but in the vicinity of the ball tackle with no arms. It was bad and deserved a yellow, for me, just. Giteau will have been expecting contact and in a position to take it - he was dummy running, that's the entire point of a dummy run. The execution was potentially harmful but the situation was not dangerous.

Hooper shoulder-charged in unbound to illegally ruck. Brown was not in a stable position, being in a ruck. There is no situation where an unbound entry into a ruck can be deemed appropriate or legal - it is de facto a breach of the laws- and no excuse that can be used to demonstrate it might be accidental. Like Botha on Adam JOnes (but fortunately without the injury) the recipient was vulnerable and non-protected in an unstable position, which is precisely why you must be bound to enter a ruck. It was far more dangerous, and with less plausible error, more likely to be deliberate and a more direct breach of the laws. It was definitely a yellow at least and 50-50 for a red.

Not even similar offences except both involved the use of the shoulder on a man without the ball

by ChequeredJersey Wed 07 Oct 2015, 3:41 pm

Seagultaf wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Its appalling giving Alex Tuilagi 5 Weeks yet Hooper has only gone 1!!!!

It wont matter much as those will cover rest games and we have better wingers....however the Falcons are penalised for four games yet Hoopers team don't suffer in the WC....

Hooper's incident was probably the least serious as there was no player injured. Both Farrell and Wood got away scot free despite injuring their opponents through their foul play. If Tugali deserves 5 weeks Wood should have got 12!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7CM-_JlG64

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aeq2lJlu64

by Seagultaf Wed 07 Oct 2015, 4:24 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
Seagultaf wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Its appalling giving Alex Tuilagi 5 Weeks yet Hooper has only gone 1!!!!

It wont matter much as those will cover rest games and we have better wingers....however the Falcons are penalised for four games yet Hoopers team don't suffer in the WC....

Hooper's incident was probably the least serious as there was no player injured. Both Farrell and Wood got away scot free despite injuring their opponents through their foul play. If Tugali deserves 5 weeks Wood should have got 12!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7CM-_JlG64

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aeq2lJlu64

I am not saying Hooper did not deserve to be cited and banned, what I am saying is that Farrell and Woods incidents were worse, in Woods case a lot worse. If you look at the president set in the Tuigali incident an accidental knee contact on a player tackling him around his knees is worth 5 weeks ban whilst Woods reckless kick to the head of a player on the ground is not worth any sanction at all. Similarly Farrells shoulder charge on a player without the ball was also not punished by the citing Comissioners, despite in both cases the opposing players being injured.

This is shocking inconsistency and blatant bias against the smaller nations in this World Cup and leaves a few bad taste.

by Steffan Wed 07 Oct 2015, 4:31 pm

bedfordwelsh wrote:
Steffan wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:If shoe was on the other foot then us Welsh would have been slated and lambasted to within an inch of our lives and you all know it
That's because you Welsh fans on here are all the same

In what sense Steffan, care to explain?

In the sense that you always cast Ponty rugby supporters in the same light saying every single one wants a region at Sardis Road called Pontypridd and that is the be all and end all. I guess this goes for Welsh rugby supporters as well then?

For the record folks yes I am indeed Welsh but don't worry we, like Pontypridd rugby supporters all have different opinions and please don't lumber me in with the views that other Welsh supporters come out with such as Bedford

For the record I think Hooper being out will not make that much difference as the Aussies are still my favourites to win this RWC

Cheers thumbsup

by Steffan Wed 07 Oct 2015, 4:44 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:It's a mickey take comment of judging a nation together as one no doubt. Makes a difference.

Yeah same way as a club in the Welsh Premiership has supporters are all judged together by one particular moderator on here...

And my mickey take was neither a dig at England or Wales. Just trying to show that no nation or set of supporters should be judged as "one"

Hope that clears it all up thumbsup

by ChequeredJersey Wed 07 Oct 2015, 5:02 pm

I think you can argue that Farrell deserves a short ban, maybe. MIght help us on Saturday...

Exactly like Carter's kick, I am pretty certain Wood's kick was 100% accidental

by Steffan Wed 07 Oct 2015, 5:06 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:I think you can argue that Farrell deserves a short ban, maybe. MIght help us on Saturday...

Or moved to centre for the rest of his England career. That would help you even better

by Sgt_Pooly Wed 07 Oct 2015, 5:08 pm

Farrell offers even less from centre than he does FH

by ChequeredJersey Wed 07 Oct 2015, 5:15 pm

Steffan wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:I think you can argue that Farrell deserves a short ban, maybe. MIght help us on Saturday...
Or moved to centre for the rest of his England career. That would help you even better

Don't.

If it happens, I'll blame you

by Steffan Wed 07 Oct 2015, 5:17 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
Steffan wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:I think you can argue that Farrell deserves a short ban, maybe. MIght help us on Saturday...
Or moved to centre for the rest of his England career. That would help you even better

Don't.

If it happens, I'll blame you

You sound just like my ex misses Smile

I think its fair to say that Owen Farrell's future in the England setup depends on Andy Farrell's future in the England setup...

by ChequeredJersey Wed 07 Oct 2015, 5:20 pm

Steffan wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
Steffan wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:I think you can argue that Farrell deserves a short ban, maybe. MIght help us on Saturday...
Or moved to centre for the rest of his England career. That would help you even better

Don't.

If it happens, I'll blame you
You sound just like my ex misses

I think its fair to say that Owen Farrell's future in the England setup depends on Andy Farrell's future in the England setup...

Possibly. I think he has something to offer as an option, but only if the rest of the team's balance fits with that. And dear lord not at 12

by Cardiff Dave Wed 07 Oct 2015, 6:10 pm

Just seen Blaine Scully (USA) lead with his knee and take out Habana. Does this mean he'll be cited and banned forever?

by Cardiff Dave Wed 07 Oct 2015, 6:13 pm

Steffan wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:
Steffan wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:If shoe was on the other foot then us Welsh would have been slated and lambasted to within an inch of our lives and you all know it
That's because you Welsh fans on here are all the same

In what sense Steffan, care to explain?
In the sense that you always cast Ponty rugby supporters in the same light saying every single one wants a region at Sardis Road called Pontypridd and that is the be all and end all. I guess this goes for Welsh rugby supporters as well then?

For the record folks yes I am indeed Welsh but don't worry we, like Pontypridd rugby supporters all have different opinions and please don't lumber me in with the views that other Welsh supporters come out with such as Bedford

For the record I think Hooper being out will not make that much difference as the Aussies are still my favourites to win this RWC

Cheers

Typical post from a Ponty fan. Very Happy

by lostinwales Wed 07 Oct 2015, 9:23 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:Just seen Blaine Scully (USA) lead with his knee and take out Habana. Does this mean he'll be cited and banned forever?

No. Habana isn't Welsh...

by Cardiff Dave Wed 07 Oct 2015, 10:46 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Just seen Blaine Scully (USA) lead with his knee and take out Habana. Does this mean he'll be cited and banned forever?

No. Habana isn't Welsh...

Not his fault. I blame his parents.

by TJ Thu 08 Oct 2015, 12:35 am

Seagultaff - the citing commissioner decide tuilagis was deliberate leading with the knee - always a red and worth a ban.

by RubyGuby Thu 08 Oct 2015, 7:30 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:He's Welsh. It's probably a dig at the English if you know his posts. You just assumed he's English and I'm just pointing out he isn't.

If that's the case my apologies 7 1/2 . I think I'll keep clear here as its getting a bit messy and the written word alone loses so much with the lack of intonation

by Seagultaf Thu 08 Oct 2015, 7:19 pm

TJ wrote:Seagultaff - the citing commissioner decide tuilagis was deliberate leading with the knee - always a red and worth a ban.

As opposed to woods leading with his boot and kicking a player in the head only worth a retrospective yellow. This is double standards, if it had been the brother that plays in white, no action would have been taken.

I have no problem with players being punished for foul play, on the contrary I applaud it, what I am complaining about is players such as Woods and Farrell being let off scot free because they play for one of the big sides!

by Cyril Thu 08 Oct 2015, 7:25 pm

Seagultaf wrote:
TJ wrote:Seagultaff - the citing commissioner decide tuilagis was deliberate leading with the knee - always a red and worth a ban.

As opposed to woods leading with his boot and kicking a player in the head only worth a retrospective yellow. This is double standards, if it had been the brother that plays in white, no action would have been taken.

I have no problem with players being punished for foul play, on the contrary I applaud it, what I am complaining about is players such as Woods and Farrell being let off scot free because they play for one of the big sides!

Farrell got a yellow card - he didn't get off 'scot free'.

Wood 'leading with the boot'? How else would you try and kick the ball? Also, if you're going to continue to champion the citing of Tom Wood can you at least try and get his name right!

by No 7&1/2 Thu 08 Oct 2015, 7:25 pm

Farrell was yellow carded at the time. Lydiate?

by Cyril Thu 08 Oct 2015, 7:27 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Lydiate?

Come on, we all know that Wood(s) was jumping into the tackle and trying to knee him in the head Wink

Seriously though, Lydiate is going to break someone's leg with his 'tackling' style soon.

by Heaf Thu 08 Oct 2015, 9:25 pm

or his shoulder ...

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 08 Oct 2015, 10:58 pm

Cyril wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Lydiate?
Come on, we all know that Wood(s) was jumping into the tackle and trying to knee him in the head

Seriously though, Lydiate is going to break someone's leg with his 'tackling' style soon.

He has already hyper-extended Conor Murray's knee before in a club match.

by Mr Fishpaste Thu 08 Oct 2015, 11:02 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:Just seen Blaine Scully (USA) lead with his knee and take out Habana. Does this mean he'll be cited and banned forever?

No... Scully isn't an islander!

Seriously now: Tuilagi's ban is ridiculous - 5 weeks for trying to break through a tackle...

by lostinwales Thu 08 Oct 2015, 11:19 pm

Mr Fishpaste wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Just seen Blaine Scully (USA) lead with his knee and take out Habana. Does this mean he'll be cited and banned forever?

No... Scully isn't an islander!

Seriously now: Tuilagi's ban is ridiculous - 5 weeks for trying to break through a tackle...

Especially when you consider how delicate some other teams (like SA) are

by Cyril Fri 09 Oct 2015, 1:55 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Cyril wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Lydiate?
Come on, we all know that Wood(s) was jumping into the tackle and trying to knee him in the head

Seriously though, Lydiate is going to break someone's leg with his 'tackling' style soon.

He has already hyper-extended Conor Murray's knee before in a club match.

I've not seen that, but I'm not surprised. He's facing a lengthy ban sometime, and someone may pick up a nasty injury unless the officials get wise to it soon.

by Seagultaf Fri 09 Oct 2015, 9:37 am

Cyril wrote:
Seagultaf wrote:
TJ wrote:Seagultaff - the citing commissioner decide tuilagis was deliberate leading with the knee - always a red and worth a ban.

As opposed to woods leading with his boot and kicking a player in the head only worth a retrospective yellow. This is double standards, if it had been the brother that plays in white, no action would have been taken.

I have no problem with players being punished for foul play, on the contrary I applaud it, what I am complaining about is players such as Woods and Farrell being let off scot free because they play for one of the big sides!

Farrell got a yellow card - he didn't get off 'scot free'.

Wood 'leading with the boot'? How else would you try and kick the ball? Also, if you're going to continue to champion the citing of Tom Wood can you at least try and get his name right!

Both Farrell and Wood were cited and received no punishment for more serious acts of foul play, so IMO got away scot free is accurate.

Wood did not kick the ball he recklessly kicked Liam Williams head causing a potentially serious head injury. Tuigali recklessly dipped his knee in the tackle and hit the Japanese player in the head again causing a potentially serious head injury. Both can reasonably claim the incidents were accidental but Wood got away scot free and Tuigali got 5 weeks if that's not dual standards nothing is.

by Hoonercat Fri 09 Oct 2015, 9:52 am

Seagultaf wrote:
Cyril wrote:
Seagultaf wrote:
TJ wrote:Seagultaff - the citing commissioner decide tuilagis was deliberate leading with the knee - always a red and worth a ban.

As opposed to woods leading with his boot and kicking a player in the head only worth a retrospective yellow. This is double standards, if it had been the brother that plays in white, no action would have been taken.

I have no problem with players being punished for foul play, on the contrary I applaud it, what I am complaining about is players such as Woods and Farrell being let off scot free because they play for one of the big sides!

Farrell got a yellow card - he didn't get off 'scot free'.

Wood 'leading with the boot'? How else would you try and kick the ball? Also, if you're going to continue to champion the citing of Tom Wood can you at least try and get his name right!

Both Farrell and Wood were cited and received no punishment for more serious acts of foul play, so IMO got away scot free is accurate.

Wood did not kick the ball he recklessly kicked Liam Williams head causing a potentially serious head injury. Tuigali recklessly dipped his knee in the tackle and hit the Japanese player in the head again causing a potentially serious head injury. Both can reasonably claim the incidents were accidental but Wood got away scot free and Tuigali got 5 weeks if that's not dual standards nothing is.

Have you watched the footage? The ball changes direction as Wood goes to kick, and William's head follows the ball and gets caught be Wood's ankle/shin. Unless you know better than the citing commission?

by Scottrf Fri 09 Oct 2015, 10:01 am

People blamed Wood for Lydiate's no arm tackle, you're not going to get objectivity Hoonercat.

by fa0019 Fri 09 Oct 2015, 10:09 am

Mr Fishpaste wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Just seen Blaine Scully (USA) lead with his knee and take out Habana. Does this mean he'll be cited and banned forever?

No... Scully isn't an islander!

Seriously now: Tuilagi's ban is ridiculous - 5 weeks for trying to break through a tackle...

He has a bad record, might have been why extended but hell it was nothing bar... naughty SS islanders on poor new darlings of rugby!

by Mr Fishpaste Fri 09 Oct 2015, 4:05 pm

Still, his record shouldn't have come into it at all. It simply wasn't foul play.

by fa0019 Fri 09 Oct 2015, 4:06 pm

Mr Fishpaste wrote:Still, his record shouldn't have come into it at all. It simply wasn't foul play.

It does leave a rather bad taste in the mouth that's for sure.

by Rory_Gallagher Fri 09 Oct 2015, 4:27 pm

Cyril wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Cyril wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Lydiate?
Come on, we all know that Wood(s) was jumping into the tackle and trying to knee him in the head

Seriously though, Lydiate is going to break someone's leg with his 'tackling' style soon.

He has already hyper-extended Conor Murray's knee before in a club match.

I've not seen that, but I'm not surprised. He's facing a lengthy ban sometime, and someone may pick up a nasty injury unless the officials get wise to it soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz7fXJzCYo0

Let me know what you think.

by Cyril Fri 09 Oct 2015, 4:58 pm

Aye, no arms in that tackle just a shoulder to the knee. I don't know how he keeps getting away with it.

Looked very painful for Murray!

by Rory_Gallagher Fri 09 Oct 2015, 5:37 pm

Cyril wrote:Aye, no arms in that tackle just a shoulder to the knee. I don't know how he keeps getting away with it.

Looked very painful for Murray!

Late as well. He got away with it. It will cause serious damage someday.

...Now cue the welsh fans accusing us of being "Lydiate haterz". Very Happy

by Seagultaf Fri 09 Oct 2015, 7:13 pm

Hoonercat wrote:
Seagultaf wrote:
Cyril wrote:
Seagultaf wrote:
TJ wrote:Seagultaff - the citing commissioner decide tuilagis was deliberate leading with the knee - always a red and worth a ban.

As opposed to woods leading with his boot and kicking a player in the head only worth a retrospective yellow. This is double standards, if it had been the brother that plays in white, no action would have been taken.

I have no problem with players being punished for foul play, on the contrary I applaud it, what I am complaining about is players such as Woods and Farrell being let off scot free because they play for one of the big sides!

Farrell got a yellow card - he didn't get off 'scot free'.

Wood 'leading with the boot'? How else would you try and kick the ball? Also, if you're going to continue to champion the citing of Tom Wood can you at least try and get his name right!

Both Farrell and Wood were cited and received no punishment for more serious acts of foul play, so IMO got away scot free is accurate.

Wood did not kick the ball he recklessly kicked Liam Williams head causing a potentially serious head injury. Tuigali recklessly dipped his knee in the tackle and hit the Japanese player in the head again causing a potentially serious head injury. Both can reasonably claim the incidents were accidental but Wood got away scot free and Tuigali got 5 weeks if that's not dual standards nothing is.

Have you watched the footage? The ball changes direction as Wood goes to kick, and William's head follows the ball and gets caught be Wood's ankle/shin. Unless you know better than the citing commission?

He missed the ball by some distance and kicked the player in the head Recless play to the extreme, based on what has happened to Tuilagi he should have been banned for at least 10 weeks.

As for whether I know better than the citing comissioner, well on the basis that I would punish foul play irrespective of whether the miscreant plays for one of the big sides or one of the small ones, they yes I think I do know better! So with me as the citing comissioner: Wood 4 weeks, Tuilagi 2 weeks, Farrell 2 weeks, Hooper 1 week. Hang them high!

by Cyril Fri 09 Oct 2015, 7:33 pm

Seagultaf wrote:
Hoonercat wrote:
Seagultaf wrote:
Cyril wrote:
Seagultaf wrote:
TJ wrote:Seagultaff - the citing commissioner decide tuilagis was deliberate leading with the knee - always a red and worth a ban.

As opposed to woods leading with his boot and kicking a player in the head only worth a retrospective yellow. This is double standards, if it had been the brother that plays in white, no action would have been taken.

I have no problem with players being punished for foul play, on the contrary I applaud it, what I am complaining about is players such as Woods and Farrell being let off scot free because they play for one of the big sides!

Farrell got a yellow card - he didn't get off 'scot free'.

Wood 'leading with the boot'? How else would you try and kick the ball? Also, if you're going to continue to champion the citing of Tom Wood can you at least try and get his name right!

Both Farrell and Wood were cited and received no punishment for more serious acts of foul play, so IMO got away scot free is accurate.

Wood did not kick the ball he recklessly kicked Liam Williams head causing a potentially serious head injury. Tuigali recklessly dipped his knee in the tackle and hit the Japanese player in the head again causing a potentially serious head injury. Both can reasonably claim the incidents were accidental but Wood got away scot free and Tuigali got 5 weeks if that's not dual standards nothing is.

Have you watched the footage? The ball changes direction as Wood goes to kick, and William's head follows the ball and gets caught be Wood's ankle/shin. Unless you know better than the citing commission?

He missed the ball by some distance and kicked the player in the head Recless play to the extreme, based on what has happened to Tuilagi he should have been banned for at least 10 weeks.

As for whether I know better than the citing comissioner, well on the basis that I would punish foul play irrespective of whether the miscreant plays for one of the big sides or one of the small ones, they yes I think I do know better! So with me as the citing comissioner: Wood 4 weeks, Tuilagi 2 weeks, Farrell 2 weeks, Hooper 1 week. Hang them high!

Hooper's was a cowardly cheap shot that could have ended in a nasty injury. Not sure how he gets the least sanction.

Surely Lydiate should have had a ban too if we're being fair-minded about all this?

by Cardiff Dave Fri 09 Oct 2015, 7:50 pm

Mr Fishpaste wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Just seen Blaine Scully (USA) lead with his knee and take out Habana. Does this mean he'll be cited and banned forever?

No... Scully isn't an islander!

Seriously now: Tuilagi's ban is ridiculous - 5 weeks for trying to break through a tackle...

Aye and isn't it natural to lead with the knee when running? I seem to remember crazy Dan Baugh (Cardiff and Canada) having an exaggerated knee lift at full tilt. You'd know about it if you tackled him. Also players sometimes tend to lead with the forearm to break through tackles. Is there a law that specifies what is and isn't allowed? Should have an "Ask the Ref" thread on this forum I reckon.

by Cyril Fri 09 Oct 2015, 7:55 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
Mr Fishpaste wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Just seen Blaine Scully (USA) lead with his knee and take out Habana. Does this mean he'll be cited and banned forever?

No... Scully isn't an islander!

Seriously now: Tuilagi's ban is ridiculous - 5 weeks for trying to break through a tackle...

Aye and isn't it natural to lead with the knee when running? I seem to remember crazy Dan Baugh (Cardiff and Canada) having an exaggerated knee lift at full tilt. You'd know about it if you tackled him. Also players sometimes tend to lead with the forearm to break through tackles. Is there a law that specifies what is and isn't allowed? Should have an "Ask the Ref" thread on this forum I reckon.

There was one once. I think Red Stag fielded most of the questions. He's left the site now - too much abuse probably Wink

by Hammersmith harrier Fri 09 Oct 2015, 7:59 pm

The Tom Wood kick was merely an accident and rightfully wasn't sanctioned at all; the Hooper one was the most reckless and he's lucky to only get a one week ban while Lydiate and Farrell are probably yellow card offences but no more than that.

by Cardiff Dave Fri 09 Oct 2015, 8:12 pm

Cyril wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
Mr Fishpaste wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:Just seen Blaine Scully (USA) lead with his knee and take out Habana. Does this mean he'll be cited and banned forever?

No... Scully isn't an islander!

Seriously now: Tuilagi's ban is ridiculous - 5 weeks for trying to break through a tackle...

Aye and isn't it natural to lead with the knee when running? I seem to remember crazy Dan Baugh (Cardiff and Canada) having an exaggerated knee lift at full tilt. You'd know about it if you tackled him. Also players sometimes tend to lead with the forearm to break through tackles. Is there a law that specifies what is and isn't allowed? Should have an "Ask the Ref" thread on this forum I reckon.
There was one once. I think Red Stag fielded most of the questions. He's left the site now - too much abuse probably

Ha, that doesn't surprise me.

by Seagultaf Fri 09 Oct 2015, 8:43 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:The Tom Wood kick was merely an accident and rightfully wasn't sanctioned at all; the Hooper one was the most reckless and he's lucky to only get a one week ban while Lydiate and Farrell are probably yellow card offences but no more than that.

Wood was sanctioned as he was cited and given a retrospective yellow, his foul play may or may not have been accidental but it certainly was reckless and caused a significant injury. in my opinion that should have been a straight red. Hooper and Farrell were both equally cheap shots Farrells probably the worst as it injured the opposing player, Lydiate was a chop tackle which is legal.

I have no problem with Wood as a player, in fact he has always struck me as a good sportsman (unlike Farrell) however he must take responsibility for a shockingly dangerous act of foul play. I am convinced that if he was playing for one of the smaller nations he would have received a long ban.

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