Groves is a bit of a sad sight

Just seen a snippet if the most recent Sky interview with Groves. Bit of a sad sight. Still trying to at like he has upper hand on DeGale, trying his best to give off an air of confidence but seeming small and a little broken. Groves has tried to mind melt so many fighters I think he's going a little loopy himself.

I still rate Groves he is a good fighter.

Needs a clever trainer to help him reach world class.

Yes Groves is supposed to say I'm a three time loser and Degale will beat the crap out of me next time..

I read the article on SKY and he appears very pragmatic about the way things have gone for him recently. He admits that recent events have taken it's toll on him and he needs to regroup. He's even considering asking McCracken to train him now Froch is out of the picture. Says he admires the way Degale has pulled himself up out of the doldrums to get where he is but still believes that all day, every day, he has Chunky's number. Knowing Degale and the fragility of his ego, he'll also know it and want to try set the record straight at some point.

DAVE667 wrote:I read the article on SKY and he appears very pragmatic about the way things have gone for him recently. He admits that recent events have taken it's toll on him and he needs to regroup. He's even considering asking McCracken to train him now Froch is out of the picture. Says he admires the way Degale has pulled himself up out of the doldrums to get where he is but still believes that all day, every day, he has Chunky's number. Knowing Degale and the fragility of his ego, he'll also know it and want to try set the record straight at some point.

Excellent move by Groves if he can get McCracken to train him.

That would be utter betrayal in the eyes of Froch. Remember when Groves betrayed him by training with Kessler?

Be a terrible way to treat a "4 time world champion who's fought in front of 80,000"...

His comments in reference to DeGale seemed a bit pathetic to me. Still think he has something to offer, but needs to shut the hell up and get on with it. You can't throw your toys out the pram, refuse a post-fight interview, delete your Twitter and then come on TV two weeks later and act like you have more going for you than a world champ. That said, I only saw three minutes of interview, so could be off the mark

Boxers are sensitive people mate...It's an ego driven sport..

Why else would Froch need to talk about his four belts ad nauseum...

Groves like most entertainers likes to think he's more important than he is

I think you're right, Truss. I just think Groves took the smirky 'I can read your mind' stuff a bit too far. Hope he knuckles down. McCracken might be a nice fit for him.

Dipper Brown wrote:That would be utter betrayal in the eyes of Froch. Remember when Groves betrayed him by training with Kessler?

McCracken may also speak to Froch who may have no problem with him training Groves.
Froch done a number on Groves don't see the problem.

McCracken is too young and too good a trainer to miss out on good opportunities like Groves may be for him. Thing is, will groves listen to him? Froch was a hell of an ego, but he listened to his trainer.

Froch won't mind. The competitive side has to be waining otherwise he can't retire. Think he should be assured enough to not worry about what his trainer does now he's out of the picture

I think Jimmy Tibbs would be a good fit for Groves. He did a marvellous job with Benn and vastly improved Kevin Mitchell.

Think Groves is too set in his ways.......

He's as good as he's going to get..

Think perhaps Groves is like Brendan Rodgers, for all the fancy talk and hyberbole, he's come as close to the title as he's likely to get. Shame, cos with both the 13/14 season and the first Froch/Groves fight, I was enthralled from start to finish....and weeping bitter tears by the end!

Blame Stevie Gerrard not Rodgers..

Rodgers' job to ensure the defence were good enough not to ship so many goals. Failed to address the problem or even acknowledge that conceding so many stupid, sloppy goals was even an issue until about 45 minutes before he was sacked.

If Klopp gets rid of Lovren, I'll be delighted, mind you there's about another dozen who could also disappear and I'd be happy

You aren't a top 4 team mate.......Rodgers overachieved..

Say he went with mccracken, and improved. How would Mccracken to an interviewer asking the inevitable 'groves has knuckled down and improved under your tutelage, how would this new version have perform against froch?'

He can't respond with groves beats him, for fear of offending his life long friend. And he can't respond with Froch beats him still, for fear of damaging his working relationship.

It's not going to happen.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You aren't a top 4 team mate.......Rodgers overachieved..

Opinions are like ar$eholes...everyone's got one...and most of them are full of sh!t

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You aren't a top 4 team mate.......Rodgers overachieved..

Opinions are like ar$eholes...everyone's got one...and most of them are full of sh!t

Don't be hard on yourself..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You aren't a top 4 team mate.......Rodgers overachieved..

Opinions are like ar$eholes...everyone's got one...and most of them are full of sh!t

Don't be hard on yourself..

Rich sugar daddy to bail your team out...
Rich Daddy-in-law to bail your ass out...

Bit of theme there, TRUSSY!

Don't be too hard on yourself, some us like to achieve on our own merits!

3fingers wrote:Say he went with mccracken, and improved. How would Mccracken to an interviewer asking the inevitable 'groves has knuckled down and improved under your tutelage, how would this new version have perform against froch?'

He can't respond with groves beats him, for fear of offending his life long friend. And he can't respond with Froch beats him still, for fear of damaging his working relationship.

It's not going to happen.

McCracken replies with, That's a stupid loaded question, and not one I'm prepared to answer, lets move on next question.

Ha, yeah.

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You aren't a top 4 team mate.......Rodgers overachieved..

Opinions are like ar$eholes...everyone's got one...and most of them are full of sh!t

Don't be hard on yourself..

Rich sugar daddy to bail your team out...
Rich Daddy-in-law to bail your ass out...

Bit of theme there, TRUSSY!

Don't be too hard on yourself, some us like to achieve on our own merits!

Liverpool's signings have been cruddy two shoes and apparently most of them Rodgers didn't want..

It's how you spend your money kiddo..

Nico the gman wrote:

3fingers wrote:Say he went with mccracken, and improved. How would Mccracken to an interviewer asking the inevitable 'groves has knuckled down and improved under your tutelage, how would this new version have perform against froch?'

He can't respond with groves beats him, for fear of offending his life long friend. And he can't respond with Froch beats him still, for fear of damaging his working relationship.

It's not going to happen.

McCracken replies with, That's a stupid loaded question, and not one I'm prepared to answer, lets move on next question.

Good answer but he'd sharp become tired of repeating the mantra, the question would repeated relentlessly, for ever

cruddy two shoes

3fingers wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:

3fingers wrote:Say he went with mccracken, and improved. How would Mccracken to an interviewer asking the inevitable 'groves has knuckled down and improved under your tutelage, how would this new version have perform against froch?'

He can't respond with groves beats him, for fear of offending his life long friend. And he can't respond with Froch beats him still, for fear of damaging his working relationship.

It's not going to happen.

McCracken replies with, That's a stupid loaded question, and not one I'm prepared to answer, lets move on next question.

Good answer but he'd sharp become tired of repeating the mantra, the question would repeated relentlessly, for ever

Don't reckon he'd care. It's an income and a challenger which he may fancy taking on. He'd just bat the question away every time it was asked.

3fingers wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:

3fingers wrote:Say he went with mccracken, and improved. How would Mccracken to an interviewer asking the inevitable 'groves has knuckled down and improved under your tutelage, how would this new version have perform against froch?'

He can't respond with groves beats him, for fear of offending his life long friend. And he can't respond with Froch beats him still, for fear of damaging his working relationship.

It's not going to happen.

McCracken replies with, That's a stupid loaded question, and not one I'm prepared to answer, lets move on next question.

Good answer but he'd sharp become tired of repeating the mantra, the question would repeated relentlessly, for ever

How about next person asks me about Froch and Groves I'm going to knock them spark out, your giving me the right hump, OK Mr McCracken calm down please we're sorry.

Something I was wondering which seems appropriate to post here. George Groves seems quite scrawny for a Super Middleweight. Would he benefit from dropping down to Middleweight?

Started thinking about it with Martin Murray moving up to SMW.

Marky wrote:Something I was wondering which seems appropriate to post here. George Groves seems quite scrawny for a Super Middleweight. Would he benefit from dropping down to Middleweight?

Started thinking about it with Martin Murray moving up to SMW.

Have you seen Groves live?

He's massive at SMW, said in the interview yesterday that he's struggled to get to 168.
More likely to go up than down.

McCracken would be an excellent choice for Groves. His sense of how to condition a fighter is absolutely world class. Obviously all top level fighters are fit, but developing the physical preparedness to go through a 12 round prize fight is still a somewhat arcane art, with little that can be done to directly emulate it. Groves has always seemed to wax and wane in his energy during a fight, and I think McCracken could really help him with that. Not sure if he'll ever wear a world title strap, but there's still a lot of opportunity out there for him if he can rectify his mistakes.

There are only 2 options available to groves. Change trainers or move up in weight. As said many times McCracken would be great for conditioning.
I would prefer to see him back with booth though. I think groves needs improved conditioning and a gameplan to stick to.

Another possibility is that groves is a mediocre fighter regardless. He can make plenty of money fighting, DeGale, Murray, smith, moving up cleverly.

People rave about McCracken but he's lucky to have had a fighter like Froch who WANTED to try hard...people seem to forget the struggles McCracken had to get the very best out of Howard Eastman who p!ssed all over Froch in terms of natural ability

DAVE667 wrote:People rave about McCracken but he's lucky to have had a fighter like Froch who WANTED to try hard...people seem to forget the struggles McCracken had to get the very best out of Howard Eastman who p!ssed all over Froch in terms of natural ability

I liked Eastman, could and should have been world champion, loads of ability, excellent punch power, good chin, but what a lazy fighter, I think with Eastman it was a case of you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, no trainer could have tried harder with a fighter, if Eastman didn't want to listen he wouldn't, frustrating fighter.

Groves I feel would listen to McCracken and improve under him, might drum into Groves to keep his left hand higher, to avoid getting hit with the right hands he keeps getting caught with..

I've always maintained Groves isn't that good.

Prior to fighting Froch who had he actually fought that was actually good? A shock win over a green De Gale (who I still don't really rate). Paul Smith??? Glen Johnson??? He'd beaten nobody but somehow got a shot at Froch.

I get Truss' comments that he's hardly going to publicly say he himself thinks he's crap, but I think his biggest problems is behind closed doors he does/ did believe his own hype.

The super middle weight David Price...

Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake wrote:I've always maintained Groves isn't that good.

Prior to fighting Froch who had he actually fought that was actually good? A shock win over a green De Gale (who I still don't really rate). Paul Smith??? Glen Johnson??? He'd beaten nobody but somehow got a shot at Froch.

I get Truss' comments that he's hardly going to publicly say he himself thinks he's crap, but I think his biggest problems is behind closed doors he does/ did believe his own hype.

The super middle weight David Price...

hmmn ginger and chinny.

You may not rate degale colonel but he's world champion, won legitimately against a talented fighter away from home. He was no greener than groves when they fought. Paul Smith got two shots at another world champion and a go at ward... none of which he deserved. Johnson was well past his prime, but then he was when froch beat him. Groves hadn't beaten a great deal, but who does these days... there are people far less deserving than groves to get title shots.

Groves is an easy sell to the British public, well, he used to be. He's a very good if perhaps not GREAT fighter but then he doesn't really need to be in this current division. A trainer who can get the best out him should ensure he has the tools get secure a world title if he can make a few adjustments. He's 27 so it's not impossible and much of it depends on Groves' willingness to put in the hard graft

Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake wrote:I've always maintained Groves isn't that good.

Prior to fighting Froch who had he actually fought that was actually good? A shock win over a green De Gale (who I still don't really rate). Paul Smith??? Glen Johnson??? He'd beaten nobody but somehow got a shot at Froch.

I get Truss' comments that he's hardly going to publicly say he himself thinks he's crap, but I think his biggest problems is behind closed doors he does/ did believe his own hype.

The super middle weight David Price...

Prior to Froch, Groves  had won all his fights comfortably with the exception of the Degale fight, and gave Froch nightmares in their first fight and I'm a big Froch fan.

Groves and Price are chalk and cheese, Groves was beaten by a quality world champion in Froch, and Price by anybody who hits him from the neck upwards.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You aren't a top 4 team mate.......Rodgers overachieved..

Opinions are like ar$eholes...everyone's got one...and most of them are full of sh!t

Don't be hard on yourself..

Rich sugar daddy to bail your team out...
Rich Daddy-in-law to bail your ass out...

Bit of theme there, TRUSSY!

Don't be too hard on yourself, some us like to achieve on our own merits!

Liverpool's signings have been cruddy two shoes and apparently most of them Rodgers didn't want..

It's how you spend your money kiddo..

As a saints fan I have to say that Liverpool's signings have been exceptional and were in fact a bargain. They should continue to try to buy all of our players at such prices.

On Lovren, hope he rots. Horrible little strike threatening scumbag.