Multivitimins

Do you guys take a specific brand , and particular fish oil tablet brand?

Or just the normal Holland and barritt stuff...

I want some really good stuff. been checking them out.

JYM? Metrx, Optimum?

Any advice.

Holland Barret mate. I only use multivitamin and fish oil these days.

Haven't had a protein drink in couple months. I probably should after I train, but I go straight home for meat!

I don't generally use supplements except for fazes of whey protein which I only use in a smoothies and I can't say that I've suffered because of it. Depending how much you want or are prepared to spend it might be better to stick to H & B or GNC's own brand. I'm always a little suspicious of the vitamins on offer by the big bodybuilding supplement companies and they are always expensive. If you are looking at the higher end of the market price wise then check out my link. I've had it on good authority that this is a very good product but you do pay for it. At one time they were sponsoring Timothy Bradley to some extent as well as other pro athletes, doesn't mean a lot, but maybe worth a look. They are not available in shops and are generally sold through a system similar to pyramid sales, a term that never sounds good, lol! But here goes

https://www.usana.com/dotCom/index;HUB_SESSION_ID=F0E7A863F9B18F8F3CA645D8CABC461F.webappprod3

Yeah I was just curious what you thought

I take the hollande and barrett ones aswell. I don't take any other supplements at all.

But I think a good multivitamin would be worth while.

Yeah nowt wrong in a multivitamin, if there is one supplement you are going to take outside of an injury or a medical condition then its probably the best option. Some people spend a fortune on supplements after falling for the BS & marketing in the fitness industry & magazines.

With regards to USANA, there products are pharmaceutical grade/standard and are approved by the FDA (?) in the USA, which is generally rare with a supplement company. Also pharmaceutical grade have to be 97% accurate what they say they contain and actually contain. Food standard, which is what most vitamins are, have to be around 15%!

First lecture ever in university, my lecturer (a Dr specialising in urology) said multivitamins "just makes expensive urine"

If you have a deficiency, by all means, but if you're trying to get more than needed in, you're wasting your money

Have to agree I don't bother with them...

I take the odd cycle but apart from that I eat lots of protein.good carbs...fruit...vegetables and drink a good protein shake...and lots of water.

No need for anything else.

When your off cycle mate, do you change much in your training??

Whilst on the subject of supplements, does anyone know any brand of whey protein that has been verified as containing what it claims to have on the tub?
Have started to mix raw eggs in my nutribullet as they are a trusted source of protein, but I find the amount of saturated fat in them worrying.

Nothing wrong with saturated fat. Long as you're not eating it too often.

Good for testosterone levels.

5 eggs equal about 8 grams of saturated fat. Anything around the 20gram mark then your arteries become clogged up increasing the chances of heart attacks and strikes.

Might increase your risk factor, but not, I don't think by a particularly huge amount. Lots of heavyweight boxers in the 70-80s followed the egg and milk diet. They aren't exactly keeling over and dying of a heart attack en masse.

Got to remember that a heart attack, or at least a cardiovascular episode, is the leading cause of death 1/2 males will die from one. That makes Cause and effect guesswork to a degree (except the obvious stuff, Obesity, significant hypertension, Exceptionally high bad cholesterol etc). There's also a chance that over and above this, Genetics can't be outrun. Enuit Eskimos have a diet rich in Saturated fat, but they have almost nonexistent heart disease. If you're screwed genetically, you really can't beat it

I hear what your saying mate, but if I can get trustworthy protein in the form of powder with virtually nil saturated fat, then I would use this as opposed the high saturated fat option.
If genetics kill me then that's just hard luck, I don't want to contribute to it and miss out on watching grandkids grow up just because of vanity.

If you train hard saturated fat aint that bad mate. Long as there isn't an extreme amount.

Too many people overthink these things. Eat a good balanced diet.

Any idea what make of whey protein has been verified by a trustworthy source?
Have regularly used supplements but now wandering if I have been ripped off throughout the years.

I barley use whey protein mate. I am not a big believer in supplements.

Find them useful for a quick easy fix of 25g protein post training. But tbh there is no evidence that we need the extreme amount of protein advised by people in the industry. A decent amount in your diet goes without saying, but no way does anyone require the holy grail amount of 1g protein to every pound of weight.

I think people who use steroids or growth need more protein, to grow past their genetic limit.

Natural trainees can only grow so much. Once you get to a certain size, it will not matter how much protein or supplements you use. You will remain that size unless you get fat.

Also as a man ages testosterone and growth hormone level goes down, hence why men get fatter and smaller as they age.

Supplements are not the magic ticket mate. I would know I have bought all sorts of supplements. Now I use a multivitiman and some fish oil once and a while.

A cup of strong coffee or Monster Energy for preworkout for me these days as well.

I am not saying supplements don't work for anyone, but I don't believe they would give even 5% to a natural trainee.

So you got to ask yourself! Why spend a fortune on sh1t, when you can eat a good balanced diet and drink plenty of water and get the same results?

kingraf wrote:Might increase your risk factor, but not, I don't think by a particularly huge amount. Lots of heavyweight  boxers in the 70-80s followed the egg and milk diet. They aren't exactly keeling over and dying of a heart attack en masse.

Got to remember that a heart attack, or at least a cardiovascular episode, is the leading cause of death 1/2 males will die from one. That makes Cause and effect guesswork to a degree (except the obvious stuff, Obesity, significant hypertension, Exceptionally high bad cholesterol etc). There's also a chance that over and above this, Genetics can't be outrun. Enuit Eskimos have a diet rich in Saturated fat, but they have almost nonexistent heart disease. If you're screwed genetically, you really can't beat it

Nicely put

AdamT wrote:I think people who use steroids or growth need more protein, to grow past their genetic limit.

Natural trainees can only grow so much. Once you get to a certain size, it will not matter how much protein or supplements you use. You will remain that size unless you get fat.

Also as a man ages testosterone and growth hormone level goes down, hence why men get fatter and smaller as they age.

Supplements are not the magic ticket mate. I would know I have bought all sorts of supplements. Now I use a multivitiman and some fish oil once and a while.

A cup of strong coffee or Monster Energy for preworkout for me these days as well.

I am not saying supplements don't work for anyone, but I don't believe they would give even 5% to a natural trainee.

So you got to ask yourself! Why spend a fortune on sh1t, when you can eat a good balanced diet and drink plenty of water and get the same results?

Please tell me you don't train mornings?

aja424 wrote:Any idea what make of whey protein has been verified by a trustworthy source?
Have regularly used supplements but now wandering if I have been ripped off throughout the years.

I don't think any have been approved by the FDA, it costs a hell of a lot of money. Hence any product that has is expensive. Maybe check out my link for USANA in an earlier post, there vitamins are so maybe there protien mix has. That aside people in the UK seem to like MyProtein, available online for a very good price. I think the majority of the big brands are all fairly equal, probably have what they say in them, just a case of finding which ones suit you ie don't bloat you, give you a short stomach ache or have you farting all day. As we all know they are as you say just a quick fix and are not a magic formula. Though if you are putting raw eggs into making your protein smoothies, apart from being more expensive, protein from raw eggs do not digest as well or the protein is not absorbed so well into the body as cooked eggs. I read this in a section dealing with proteins in 'Physiology and Anatomy' whilst doing a massage course. I know its an old school approach but science does not back this up, but if its working for you carry on. Cottage cheese is very cheap, low in fat and contains between 24 & 28 grams of protein per 200g pot depending on brand and will fill you up better than a protein mix. I have also read that recent research has found that 1.2 grams of protein per kilo of bodyweight is sufficient and that 2g per kilo made no difference. Its the supplement companies that have come up with the optimum amounts, time frequency and how much can be digested in one sitting, not science.