Eddie Jones - England's New Coach

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Kruis and Joseph were both poor in the first half. Kruis's tactics when calling the lineouts were shockingly bad. Hartley got away with two squint throws at the start, but was then pinged for a crooked one and saw one pinched. All four Kruis called to himself. After that the calls got more and more complicated, involving a lit of movement and switching of positions - yet every time he kept calling to himself, thus easy to defend and predict.

I am torn on Joseph. Until he made the interception he had been really poor, but that was fantastic play - as was his finish for the 3rd try. so strangely I woul dnot say he was the best player - but with 3 key moments he was MotM i guess.

Youngs did ok, for me 6/10 - average - though having checked about a Dozen reviews now he got one 6, two 8s (crazy) and the rest 7s. One journo even stated he was clearly Englands best player in the first half. Cannot agree - but a sign that we all see things differently.

Sgt Pooly learn to read. I've praised England and Eddie Jones for getting the GS. I have been positive on that.

Still things to sort out though. It's about being realistic. It's great to get the GS but England need to kick on.



no 7 & 1/2 I never said it was just Cole, Cole was the worst offender. Earlier in the tournament, I was more worried about Farrell and Haskell but Haskell cleaned up his act in the last game. You just want an excuse to criticise me. Remind me which club Farrell plays for?

Hartley is an experienced international who should know better and he's someone has a history of disciplinary issues. Itoje is a young man who doesn't have the same disciplinary baggage.

Though saying that I gave credit to Hartley for leading England to a GS.

The two Saracens players who have poor discipline are Ashton and Farrell. I have said this before and I have had no sympathy for their petulance.

Of course you think it's just Saracens bias.

I haven't ignored Itoje's flaws. More than once I have mentioned Itoje's missed tackles and penalties conceded.

He's not had the same disciplinary issues as Hartley and hasn't given away as many penalties as Cole.

I like Brookes and Hill. Think they are good players.

well-past-it real European pedigree? Ha! We'll see. I do like quite a few Saints players - North,Foden,Hill,Brookes, the Pisi bros for example. A few players at your club I dislike - no prizes for guessing who but Sarries have some I am not particularly a big fan of either.

Wouldn't be much of a rivalry if Sarries-Saints encounters were one sided. Hard to know who will win at times because the pendulum swings. It's not got the history of other rivalries but we are probably your 2nd biggest opponent after Leicester.

Learn to read....great comeback

Like I said you lack consistency in your arguments. Turn a blind eye to some mistakes nail others.

I am sure if you look hard enough you can find inconsistency in everyone's arguments.

Disagree. I haven't turned a blind eye to Goode's lack of pace, Farrell's petulance and lack of vision, Ashton's poor discipline, Itoje needs to work on his tackling and give less penalties away at international level.

Every player has flaws they need to work on.

You are jumping down my throat for stating the obvious - Cole needs to work on his discipline. You say why single out Cole - I have said why - it's because he's been England's worst offender this season.

Doesn't make Cole a bad player, I think he's still the best TH we've got but discipline is an area England must work on. Not just Cole, everyone.


You turn a blind eye yourself - normally to Ford's flaws. When he gets destroyed by the opposition, he's supposedly had a good game.

Also you turned a blind eye to Lancaster's errors.

I said why single Colle out for the yellow. You know you do it, nail Nowell for a knock on, but don't for others. Justifying it as we lost against France but letting off Itoje for what was 4 pens in 2 full games? If that were Nowell or Lawes or whoever not wearing black and red you'd want them hung drawn and quartered.

Another thing you do seems to be (deliberately) misunderstand points and exaggerate to try and score points.

You're a good poster with interesting points but just open both eyes.

Single out those players because those were the ones who did it and took it.

As for letting Itoje off - I haven't ignored the missed tackles and penalties but you seem fixated on them. Something I am accused of.

In regards to Nowell I thought he had a good 6 nations but a poor game vs France. I don't think I am being overly harsh. Nowell's poor tackling was not costly in this case, thankfully.

If it was Ashton instead of Nowell he would have been hung drawn and quartered, it works both ways.

You tell me to open both eyes? I find that amusing. I think most if not all posters can be accused of bias. Just some are singled out.... sound familiar?

I will admit I have shown a bit of bias towards Saracens players but I can also be even handed too.


None of the Saracens players have been perfect - all of them have areas of their games to work on as do all players.

It's ridiculous that have to defend my criticism of Cole. I should add Cole isn't competing with any Sarries TH, none of EQ THs for Sarries are good enough.

I never said Cole is a bad player, just an area he needs to work on, then you attack Itoje.

Any valid criticism I have is just seen as pro Saracens - ridiculous.

will admit I have shown a bit of bias towards Saracens players but I can also be even handed too.

A slight understatement.....

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

will admit I have shown a bit of bias towards Saracens players but I can also be even handed too.

A slight understatement.....

Says the Newcastle fan who rates Sean Robinson higher than Maro Itoje.....

That's what I would call an example of bias....

At least I admit I am a bit biased. Getting you and no 7 & 1/2 to admit you are wrong is futile. I should really stop trying.

I do generally believe I am right but I do acknowledge on occasion I was wrong.

I underestimated the likes of Haskell,Hartley and Farrell - they did their jobs. Perhaps not long term solutions but helping England win a GS is good enough for now.

Eddie Jones and co have done a fine job so far. Still aspects to work on but a good start.

What am I wrong about now?

No 7 & 1/2 we'll just go around in circles as usual.

No seriously tell me where i'm wrong as if I have been i'll hold my hands up.

You also do not understand irony.....

You are very often wrong believe it or not.

no 7 & 1/2 there is seriously no point. It will just result in another argument which will have no conclusion. Best thing to do with you is agree to disagree.

Sgt Pooly often very wrong.... says the founder of the Sean Robinson fan club ...still waiting for him to win his first international cap... to be honest I hope one day Robinson lives up to the hype.

If it happened I would say fair play - Sgt Pooly, you called it. Will even write a thread in your honour.

I of course don't expect you to do the same if a player I have hyped up - delivers.....

So no example then, fair enough.

It's a running joke between everyone on the board that you do not get....and you still don't get it.

Sgt Pooly the only running jokes are you and no 7 & 1/2.

No 7 & 1/2 we've gone over this so many times. I given you many examples. You refuse to budge.

Like you stubbornly supporting Lancaster's selection of Webber, thinking May has been a decent international winger,believing Morgan was a better no 8 than Billy at the RWC, Ford playing well in games that he didn't, saying Itoje's discipline is as bad as that of Cole, Nowell playing well when we lost to France in 2014, believing that on current form Launchbury is a better lock than Itoje.

If you admitted you were wrong on one of those we would be making progress.

That of course has nothing to do with the Vunipola's, Itoje and Ashton being Saracens players does it.

Hammersmith Harrier no not really.

Ashton was a fool for getting himself banned. No guarantee he would have done better than Nowell, I personally think he would have, that part is subjective.

Mako and Marler - don't mind who starts at LH.

Morgan was great no 8 two years ago, poor in the RWC, overtaken by Billy in 2015. Nothing to do with Billy playing for Saracens. Hughes might well overtake Billy, if Billy doesn't play well or is injured.

Itoje deservedly overtaken Launchbury. No guarantee it will last.

You lose an argument, you resort to insults as per.

Maybe you should take another break if you're unable to hold a discussion with the grown ups BS.

Sgt Pooly how can I lose the argument when you don't make even a compelling case.

I can't even remember why you're arguing with me now.

If I take a break I let bullies like you win. That's what I realised. Someone has to stand up to you. I let others force me away but I came back because someone has to challenge the likes of you.

Again yet another post of yours not about rugby. Now you're making me do the same.

Talking about insults..... are your posts not meant to be just that? Look in the mirror....

Ashton would not have done any better than Nowell because Nowell seldom got the ball in a decent position and Ashton would not have managed any more than Nowell did in those opportunities. I also doubt that Ashton would have made the try saving tackles that Nowell did.

Nowell did not have a great 6N ball in hand, especially compared to last year. But then he didn't get the ball that often and maybe didn't come looking for it as much as he has done in the past. (which probably goes back to the 10-12 axis as JJ had very similar problems) Vakarama problems notwithstanding he did some very good things in defense.

Bullies? At what point are 71/2 and myself insulting you?

You consistently come back with personal attacks when you're losing an argument. Your points don't make any sense yet you harp on about being always right?!?

If you can't hold a discussion without attacking somebody, maybe you shouldn't be on here fella

beshocked wrote:If I take a break I let bullies like you win. That's what I realised. Someone has to stand up to you. I let others force me away but I came back because someone has to challenge the likes of you.

.......you'll be calling me a racist next.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:It's a running joke between everyone on the board that you do not get....and you still don't get it.

It is? Why haven't I been included in this forum-wide joke
To be fair to Beshocked, he comes across a lot less biased than in the past IMHO and criticises Sarries players who don't perform for England or have personality issues. Which is good, because he used to really get on my ti...errrr nerves sometimes And he is at least recognising that you're all just arguing in circles

lostinwales perhaps Ashton would have not better. We'll never know. We know what we know. Nowell had a fine 2016 6 nations but was poor vs France - don't think we disagree on that do we?

Sgt Pooly calling me BS and inferring I am a child aren't insults? Saying I am part of a running joke is not an insult? You have a strange definition of insult.

You say my points don't make any sense yet back them up with no sound argument of your own.


Sorry what's your point? You talk about losing an argument. What argument exactly?

I thought you and I were fundamentally arguing about Cole's discipline in the 6 nations. Do you think being the most penalised England player is to be applauded? You are defending the indefensible.

I agree with you that Cole is currently the best TH we have, that's not the disagreement. Do you agree with no 7 & 1/2 that Itoje's discipline was as bad as Cole's? If so then you are also fighting a losing battle.



Thank you Hoonercat.

To be honest I don't think my opinions are that different to everyone else's.

Brown as first choice 15 but has awareness issues. Goode - great brain but lack of pace. Combine them and you would have the perfect full back.

Watson and Nowell - fine 6 nations, not outstanding but did the job.

Joseph - nice hattrick vs Italy but a bit quiet in attack.

Farrell - just a stand in 12. Not ideal but did the job.

Ford - not in form, hopefully he gets better

Care,Youngs - interchangeable, both have had their moments of good play but need more consistency.

Billy - strong performance but perhaps needs to pass a bit more.

Haskell - got better as the tournament went on, surprised me.

Robshaw - workhorse who was the glue

Kruis - wobble against Italy but very strong 6 nations.

Itoje - strong debut, needs to work on discipline and missed tackles though.

Cole - still best TH but needs to keep down penalty count.

Hartley - solid but wobble vs Italy.

Marler/Mako - were okay.

We would most likely have the lost the Ireland game if Ashton was playing instead of Norwell.

beshocked wrote:

To be honest I don't think my opinions are that different to everyone else's.

Brown as first choice 15 but has awareness issues. Goode - great brain but lack of pace. Combine them and you would have the perfect full back.

Watson and Nowell - fine 6 nations, not outstanding but did the job.

Joseph - nice hattrick vs Italy but a bit quiet in attack.

Farrell - just a stand in 12. Not ideal but did the job.

Ford - not in form, hopefully he gets better

Care,Youngs - interchangeable, both have had their moments of good play but need more consistency.

Billy - strong performance but perhaps needs to pass a bit more.

Haskell - got better as the tournament went on, surprised me.

Robshaw - workhorse who was the glue

Kruis - wobble against Italy but very strong 6 nations.

Itoje - strong debut, needs to work on discipline and missed tackles though.

Cole - still best TH but needs to keep down penalty count.

Hartley - solid but wobble vs Italy.

Marler/Mako - were okay.

Can't argue with that, though I think Farrell deserves a bit more credit considering he's playing out of position and for me was our best centre, which is worrying

Hammersmith Harrier perhaps. Not going to argue with that. Nowell certainly was solid in defence vs Ireland.

Hoonercat perhaps but I still don't think Farrell seems comfortable there. As others have said Farrell is not the best player to get the most from an England backline at 12. Still debatable whether Slade and Manu will do better though. Of course I would love one of those two to solve the 12 issue once for all but it's such a big deal because no one has sufficiently filled the boots of Greenwood yet.

In the good old days we had a standard attacking move called 'pass it to Manu'

These days we have a new shiny plan. It goes 'pass it to Billy'

The sneaky future plan is to go 'pass it to Manu or Billy'. The other teams won't know whats hit them.

lostinwales wrote:In the good old days we had a standard attacking move called 'pass it to Manu'

These days we have a new shiny plan. It goes 'pass it to Billy'

The sneaky future plan is to go 'pass it to Manu or Billy'. The other teams won't know whats hit them.

You're forgetting "Pass it to Man... wait that's Slade" which I genuinely believe is the plan for part of the game and might actually work.

Eddie Jones quite clearly wants to reintroduce Manu into the England side

Sadly a fully fit in form Manu seems to be hard to get to these days.

I think Tigers should get a lot of credit for being so patient with him. We'll see if their faith in him pays off. Doesn't help when England are desperately wanting him to play too.

beshocked wrote:Sgt Pooly the only running jokes are you and no 7 & 1/2.

No 7 & 1/2 we've gone over this so many times. I given you many examples. You refuse to budge.

Like you stubbornly supporting Lancaster's selection of Webber, thinking May has been a decent international winger,believing Morgan was a better no 8 than Billy at the RWC, Ford playing well in games that he didn't, saying Itoje's discipline is as bad as that of Cole, Nowell playing well when we lost to France in 2014, believing that on current form Launchbury is a better lock than Itoje.

If you admitted you were wrong on one of those we would be making progress.

Eh, think you're recollection is a bit poor. I said that I wouldn't have selected Webber but but once Lancaster did (and after warm ups) George would have to impress in training. Not something I think is wrong but how do you think it is? May has been good imo not just ok. Don't think I ever said that Morgan performed as well as Vunipola in the wc, doubt you'll find a quote saying that. The Ford thing is you twisting as this will be about being 'bullied' which was rubbish. Nowell played ok vs France not well but wasn't the reason we lost. And no not on current form but because I believe Launbury is better at the moment.

There is no point arguing with someone who believes that the world is binary - right or wrong, black or white.

There is especially no point in arguing with someone who palpably fails to understand your point and thus accuses you of saying something that is actually quite different.

LondonTiger wrote:There is no point arguing with someone who believes that the world is binary - right or wrong, black or white.

There is especially no point in arguing with someone who palpably fails to understand your point and thus accuses you of saying something that is actually quite different.

Highly selective use of evidence is the thing that always gets me

beshocked wrote:Eddie Jones quite clearly wants to reintroduce Manu into the England side

Sadly a fully fit in form Manu seems to be hard to get to these days.

I think Tigers should get a lot of credit for being so patient with him. We'll see if their faith in him pays off. Doesn't help when England are desperately wanting him to play too.

I am actually reasonably hopeful over Manu. The groin has obviously been the big problem these last couple of years and I just don't know how well those kinds of injuries play out over the long term and how much it will affect his acceleration, which was one of his USP's. For me that is the big question.

Outside of that the extended break will probably have helped the rest of his body fix itself properly.

LondonTiger wrote:There is no point arguing with someone who believes that the world is binary - right or wrong, black or white.

There is especially no point in arguing with someone who palpably fails to understand your point and thus accuses you of saying something that is actually quite different.

Londontiger I accept, I don't understand everything. I find the support of May puzzling when he's not in my opinion been particularly good at international level. I find the belief that training as the most important factor in picking a player baffling.

Lancaster picking Morgan and May as his starting no 8 and starting winger because they performed well in training I thought were strange decisions. My opinion has not changed.

No the world is not black and white but you have people arguing for example that player X played well when evidence quite clearly showed he didn't.

Or that playing player X was a good decision/not important when quite clearly the evidence shows that it was important.

Then on the other side you have people jumping the gun, criticising clubs with no evidence of wrong doing. Now of course perhaps there are reasons for these accusations but they haven't been found guilty as of yet.

If someone does something wrong I will hold up my hands and say fair enough. Ashton 10 week ban - deserved. Evidence of wrong doing was there to see.

Now of course not everything can be proved, would have player X have performed better than player Y - that's something we'll never know.

People accuse me of double standards but fail to look in the mirror.

We can come to conclusions but it doesn't mean we will be right.

Will Manu or Slade solve the 12 conundrum? We don't know yet. At the moment it's more hope than expectation IMO.

lostinwales you say highly selective use of evidence. At least I actually use evidence.....

I don't think anyone has said that training is the most important factor have they? And Saracens are still cheats no matter how much they bury it all!

no 7 & 1/2.

You used training as the primary justification of picking Morgan and May. Even Lancaster himself was in the media praising May because of his training.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/aug/04/england-stuart-lancaster-gloucester-jonny-may


When invited, for example, to nominate the player who has impressed him most during the camp to date, Lancaster opted for Gloucester’s Jonny May, potentially bad news for a clutch of other wing contenders. “He has been the standout performer so far, probably in the whole squad really. He has been excellent and has really got the bit between his teeth. It sometimes happens, when a player gets dropped from an international team. They can feel sorry for themselves or turn round and say: ‘Right, I’m going to work harder at my game.’ He’s definitely done that.”

I personally think that picking a player primarily based on their training performance is ridiculous.

I'll be honest sometimes I don't understand how you can come to some of your conclusions.

You can call someone a cheat, doesn't make you right. It's a baseless accusation.

Honestly don't remember using training as a primary reason for picking either. Remember leading up to the WC saying on here (or at least thinking very loudly) that May was the form winger and it was going to be hard leaving him out. It was the performances in the warm up games that swung it for me. I like Morgan as a player, he'll no doubt have been given something to work on by Jones, I would assume a period of fitness, and if he does that I don't think he's completely out of the reckoning. This may be one of the times you fill in blanks with made up stuff?

It's not baseless but unfortunate as when you hide the outcome of something it doesn't make you look innocent. Looks like they've reduced their bill a bit recently from the outside anyway.

beshocked wrote: no 7 & 1/2.

You used training as the primary justification of picking Morgan and May. Even Lancaster himself was in the media praising May because of his training.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/aug/04/england-stuart-lancaster-gloucester-jonny-may


When invited, for example, to nominate the player who has impressed him most during the camp to date, Lancaster opted for Gloucester’s Jonny May, potentially bad news for a clutch of other wing contenders. “He has been the standout performer so far, probably in the whole squad really. He has been excellent and has really got the bit between his teeth. It sometimes happens, when a player gets dropped from an international team. They can feel sorry for themselves or turn round and say: ‘Right, I’m going to work harder at my game.’ He’s definitely done that.”

I personally think that picking a player primarily based on their training performance is ridiculous.

I'll be honest sometimes I don't understand how you can come to some of your conclusions.

You can call someone a cheat, doesn't make you right. It's a baseless accusation.

Selective use of evidence is the same as and can be worse than none at all. If a coach said 'so and so is useless in training but we think he'll do the business' you might go with it but you'd be sceptical as well. May is in some ways irrelevant right now seeing as he has had a serious injury and will be out for a good long while. But for me the point is that he showed a lot of glimpses of the good stuff along side the stuff which drove some people nuts, and there were decent signs that he had improved a good deal from his initial games. You cannot define a player's whole career from a couple of selective initial impressions.

May offers a 'point of difference' in that he is superbly quick, and he doesn't have the kinds of severe weaknesses that make, say, seeing Cuthbert on the Welsh team list so exciting for us England fans. If he shows decent form when he comes back from injury he will have a real chance with Jones.

You and I have differing opinions on form. You think May was in good form despite him being dropped in the 6 nations and not performing as well as Nowell. I would be pleased if May justified his selection.

I have nothing against an in form Morgan, sadly haven't seen that in a long time.

You justify Lancaster's picking of Webber despite him being in shocking form for Bath. Could do the right thing and admit Lancaster made a poor call.

I lost of respect for Lancaster after the poor performance against Wales in 2013 and even more so after not admitting fault after France 2014.

Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say you were wrong.



baseless - without foundation in fact.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/baseless

You don't know what's going on and neither do I - we do not know what has happened behind closed doors but even the media aren't turning it into a media circus.

I believe you would enjoy that. Seems like you're enjoying the Marler circus.

Back to this again......yawn

He was the standout winger in the warm ups for me and a few others; thought you held short term form over everything else?

Morgan when fit has been very good for England, fitness is a big issue (more in terms of in juries than lasting 80 for me though).

I said I could understand why Lancaster went with Webber as he was part of his squads for a while and that I wouldn't have chosen him.

I would have preferred the Marler situation dealt with at the time, as it is it takes WR to review it.

Why do you have to twist and omit things all the time beshocked?

The thing with Jonny May is that he can score tries with his pace that slower wingers like Nowell just can't - remember his wonderful try against the All Blacks (Google it if not, it's worth watching again)? Very few left wingers in world rugby can do that. So whilst there may be more solid players with a better kicking game, stronger in the tackle and able to act as a auxillary flanker at the breakdown, for those of us who like wingers who can do the remarkable, Jonny May is in that category.

The other winger I'd take a look at is Christian Wade. By all means get the coaches to work around his defensive deficiencies, but just take a minute and have a look at his highlights reel. This guy, like May, can score those tries which are simply physically impossible for your average Joe wingers.

I do hope Jones can find a way to maximise these talents (other than the Calcutta Cup). England have some wonderful broken field runners.

funnyExiledScot wrote:The thing with Jonny May is that he can score tries with his pace that slower wingers like Nowell just can't - remember his wonderful try against the All Blacks (Google it if not, it's worth watching again)? Very few left wingers in world rugby can do that. So whilst there may be more solid players with a better kicking game, stronger in the tackle and able to act as a auxillary flanker at the breakdown, for those of us who like wingers who can do the remarkable, Jonny May is in that category.

The other winger I'd take a look at is Christian Wade. By all means get the coaches to work around his defensive deficiencies, but just take a minute and have a look at his highlights reel. This guy, like May, can score those tries which are simply physically impossible for your average Joe wingers.

I do hope Jones can find a way to maximise these talents (other than the Calcutta Cup). England have some wonderful broken field runners.

Yep.

I had started writing something about a couple of other examples of May doing things others can't. One was his work in tackling Matawalu in the RWC. (And I know the counter argument about letting him get away in the first place, but he does have a reputation for that, and the recovery was special). The other was the way that he made Ford's kicking game look good - as in it looked awful in the 2015 6n's vs Ireland when he wasn't there.

no 7 & 1/2 short term form is fine but you have to factor in other things too - May hasn't shown himself to be international class yet, not shown the potential. Style but no substance. Nowell did not deserve to be dropped in this case. It's not as if Nowell was unfit or ill and struggling for gametime.....

Morgan was poor in the RWC and hadn't put in a good performance for England for a long time.

You said you could understand Lancaster picking Webber, I still can't. It's illogical. It was a poor choice, I know you want to justify the call but just accept it was a mistake.

Nice to hear you wanted the Marler situation to be dealt with earlier.

Oh it's you again Sgt Pooly......yawn.

lostinwales I am glad May was irrelevance in the 6 nations as it meant there was no controversy on wing selections. Nowell and Watson - deservedly picked.

You say he has no weaknesses, I think his defence is poor and he's been a below par finisher.

Watson and Nowell have strike rates slightly above 50%.

6/19 - about 31.5% Not good at all. Not international class.

I used to criticise Nowell's poor strike rate but you know what - he's sorted that out.


FES the problem is that May has been dining off that try vs NZ for a long time. If May scored tries like that frequently then there wouldn't be an issue.

An amazing try is still worth the same amount as a forward powering over from 5 metres out.

May's try wasn't worth 30 points. It was worth 5.

Nowell and Watson have consistently outperformed May for England.

Wade hasn't made the most of Wasps' good form.

We should start a thread for you Beshocked. You can carry on with the boring topics that you've banging on about for the last year.

#mostboringposteron606

beshocked wrote:no 7 & 1/2 short term form is fine but you have to factor in other things too - May hasn't shown himself to be international class yet, not shown the potential. Style but no substance. Nowell did not deserve to be dropped in this case. It's not as if Nowell was unfit or ill and struggling for gametime.....

Morgan was poor in the RWC and hadn't put in a good performance for England for a long time.

You said you could understand Lancaster picking Webber, I still can't. It's illogical. It was a poor choice, I know you want to justify the call but just accept it was a mistake.

Nice to hear you wanted the Marler situation to be dealt with earlier.

Oh it's you again Sgt Pooly......yawn.

lostinwales I am glad May was irrelevance in the 6 nations as it meant there was no controversy on wing selections. Nowell and Watson - deservedly picked.

You say he has no weaknesses, I think his defence is poor and he's been a below par finisher.

Watson and Nowell have strike rates slightly above 50%.

6/19 - about 31.5% Not good at all. Not international class.

I used to criticise Nowell's poor strike rate but you know what - he's sorted that out.


FES the problem is that May has been dining off that try vs NZ for a long time. If May scored tries like that frequently then there wouldn't be an issue.

An amazing try is still worth the same amount as a forward powering over from 5 metres out.

May's try wasn't worth 30 points. It was worth 5.

Nowell and Watson have consistently outperformed May for England.

Wade hasn't made the most of Wasps' good form.

May impressed and probably deserved his chance, not as if theres too much between the wingers. Morgan has been good when hes been fit and available, really good player.

Still don't think there was a major issue with hookers in the end, the majority of us thought it was wrong, but was strong enough. Worse selections made in the wc thats for sure.

Moving on for Poolys sake!

No 7&1/2 wrote:Moving on for Poolys sake!

Can we please not talk some about May impressing in training 6 months ago?