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marty2086 wrote:Wayne that's for all broadcasters not just BBC Wales, so Scarlets v Munster is on this weekend on Sky exclusively so they can show Munster v Scarlets but RTE and BBC Wales can too

wayne wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Wayne that's for all broadcasters not just BBC Wales, so Scarlets v Munster is on this weekend on Sky exclusively so they can show Munster v Scarlets but RTE and BBC Wales can too

Cheers Marty, I'm not going senile then, I thought I read it somewhere.

marty2086 wrote:

wayne wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Wayne that's for all broadcasters not just BBC Wales, so Scarlets v Munster is on this weekend on Sky exclusively so they can show Munster v Scarlets but RTE and BBC Wales can too

Cheers Marty, I'm not going senile then, I thought I read it somewhere.

You could still be going senile

Pot Hale wrote:The TV rights to the PRO12 were negotiated first for a primary broadcaster i.e. a broadcaster who could televise matches in the four relevant territories - Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland.

The reported deal was worth 20m over four years.  It gave Sky primary rights on which matches it wanted to televise in Wales, Scotland or Ireland.   Up to a maximum of 30 matches per season, not including the playoffs.

This was negotiated first.

The next biggest deal was with BBC Wales, in partnership with S4C for whom BBC Wales is contractually obliged to provide a certain number of hours of programming each year.    The combined annual budget of BBC Wales/S4c is in the order of 160m.   The Welsh TV territory covers four teams.   BBC Wales want to cover all the home games of the Welsh teams that were not selected exclusively by Sky.  (Secondary rights on some matches allow for co-broadcasting with a terrestrial partner in the four TV territories).

BBC Wales/S4C bid for all the Welsh matches of the four teams and Celtic Rugby negotiated a price based on what they wanted.   As can be seen from this season's schedule, BBC Wales/S4C have more matches than any other terrestrial broadcaster since they were willing to pay for them.

In the Republic of Ireland TV territory, there are three teams.  RTE, the national public service broadcaster, chose to opt out from the rights once Sky announced they had got the primary rights.   It was left to TV3 and to TG4, minor stations at the time with relatively small spending budgets to pitch if they wanted to.  Tv3 chose not to.  TG4, as a niche Irish language channel, chose to continue showing the Irish team matches that Sky were not broadcasting.   They bid for these matches.   Their annual budget is around 40m - about 25% of the Welsh budget.   Their price is 1m approx.

BBC Alba is also a small budget station, with two teams to cover, with their selection restricted to what remained after Sky had made their pick.

BBC Northern Ireland has one team in its broadcast territory with on average 9 regular season games to show.   Their budget and price reflects the market accordingly.  (Ulster TV does not do rugby.)

BBC Wales/S4C with their much bigger annual budget, and greater amount of teams will always be the bigger terrestrial player, until such time as the market changes and another competitor emerges.

The TV market in Ireland has changed since the last TV rights were negotiated  and the value and viewership (satellite and terrestrial) has increased across the four TV territories.  BBC is the dominant terrestrial force in three of them.

As Anayi remarked in his BBC Radio Five interview, the PRO12 will be looking for a bigger number the next time.

As a postscript, it was reported previously in media that the Welsh teams benefit proportionately from the overall amount that the terrestrial TV deals bring in.  Thus, if BBC Wales deal brings in 3 times as much as other stations, then the WRU gets a proportionate portion of these overall monies.   The Sky monies are distributed by number of teams per union.

Kingshu wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:The TV rights to the PRO12 were negotiated first for a primary broadcaster i.e. a broadcaster who could televise matches in the four relevant territories - Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland.

The reported deal was worth 20m over four years.  It gave Sky primary rights on which matches it wanted to televise in Wales, Scotland or Ireland.   Up to a maximum of 30 matches per season, not including the playoffs.

This was negotiated first.

The next biggest deal was with BBC Wales, in partnership with S4C for whom BBC Wales is contractually obliged to provide a certain number of hours of programming each year.    The combined annual budget of BBC Wales/S4c is in the order of 160m.   The Welsh TV territory covers four teams.   BBC Wales want to cover all the home games of the Welsh teams that were not selected exclusively by Sky.  (Secondary rights on some matches allow for co-broadcasting with a terrestrial partner in the four TV territories).

BBC Wales/S4C bid for all the Welsh matches of the four teams and Celtic Rugby negotiated a price based on what they wanted.   As can be seen from this season's schedule, BBC Wales/S4C have more matches than any other terrestrial broadcaster since they were willing to pay for them.

In the Republic of Ireland TV territory, there are three teams.  RTE, the national public service broadcaster, chose to opt out from the rights once Sky announced they had got the primary rights.   It was left to TV3 and to TG4, minor stations at the time with relatively small spending budgets to pitch if they wanted to.  Tv3 chose not to.  TG4, as a niche Irish language channel, chose to continue showing the Irish team matches that Sky were not broadcasting.   They bid for these matches.   Their annual budget is around 40m - about 25% of the Welsh budget.   Their price is 1m approx.

BBC Alba is also a small budget station, with two teams to cover, with their selection restricted to what remained after Sky had made their pick.

BBC Northern Ireland has one team in its broadcast territory with on average 9 regular season games to show.   Their budget and price reflects the market accordingly.  (Ulster TV does not do rugby.)

BBC Wales/S4C with their much bigger annual budget, and greater amount of teams will always be the bigger terrestrial player, until such time as the market changes and another competitor emerges.

The TV market in Ireland has changed since the last TV rights were negotiated  and the value and viewership (satellite and terrestrial) has increased across the four TV territories.  BBC is the dominant terrestrial force in three of them.

As Anayi remarked in his BBC Radio Five interview, the PRO12 will be looking for a bigger number the next time.

As a postscript, it was reported previously in media that the Welsh teams benefit proportionately from the overall amount that the terrestrial TV deals bring in.  Thus, if BBC Wales deal brings in 3 times as much as other stations, then the WRU gets a proportionate portion of these overall monies.   The Sky monies are distributed by number of teams per union.

I have been wondering about this, the WRU have managed to get it that they get a bigger share of the TV rights, due to the SC4 deal, rather than all TV monies going into a central pot and divided, like the SKY deal. I wonder if US teams do get added, and the US get a massive TV contact will the regions insist that the US teams get the majority of the TV deal, or change it so its all centralised?

Pot Hale wrote:BT likely paid £125m for their four-year TV contract and exclusivity to cover a certain amount of games.  The price bar had already been set by the incumbent, so PRL had that advantage in their negotiations.  For Sky and PRO12, they paid a moderate price for a first time product.  It depends on what they want to do next time around.  Have viewing figures met or exceeded their expectations?  What are other advertisers and sponsors doing around it?   Profile of league, competitiveness, quality, etc.  Will other multi-territory players want to bid against Sky - BT, Eirsport, VirginMedia/TV3?   Ideally for PRO12, they would want to.  Eirsport (formerly Setanta) have said they would be interested.
 

marty2086 wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:BT likely paid £125m for their four-year TV contract and exclusivity to cover a certain amount of games.  The price bar had already been set by the incumbent, so PRL had that advantage in their negotiations.  For Sky and PRO12, they paid a moderate price for a first time product.  It depends on what they want to do next time around.  Have viewing figures met or exceeded their expectations?  What are other advertisers and sponsors doing around it?   Profile of league, competitiveness, quality, etc.  Will other multi-territory players want to bid against Sky - BT, Eirsport, VirginMedia/TV3?   Ideally for PRO12, they would want to.  Eirsport (formerly Setanta) have said they would be interested.
 

BT also paid a big price for a number of reasons, they were given huge budgets to go out and pretty much screw Sky over. The raison d'etre for BT Sport was to flog BT broadband and draw people to it as it was losing out in the marketplace to Sky.

The AP was the first Sky contract to come up for renewal in BTs life and they went all in for it. You just have to look at the Champions League and PL and how they have flashed the cash there too.

The AP deal is being proportionally higher Im sure is nothing to do with PRLs move away from the HC either.

marty2086 wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/10725732/First-call-for-BT-over-Sky-Sports-on-games-in-European-club-rugbys-brave-new-era-next-season.html

Apparently its 2020, as the first deal was for 6 years.

Which is generous for the broadcasters

marty2086 wrote:If it was a shorter contract, odds are it would cost the broadcasters more to renew but the ECPR sign a 6 year deal

Makes loads of sense

marty2086 wrote:BBC would have the figures, you tried asking?

Cardiff Dave wrote:

marty2086 wrote:BBC would have the figures, you tried asking?

An MP did recently ask for Beeb gravy train figures if i'm not much mistaken. Haven't heard anything since. All still on their hols while everything is repeated, again.

Pot Hale wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

marty2086 wrote:BBC would have the figures, you tried asking?

An MP did recently ask for Beeb gravy train figures if i'm not much mistaken. Haven't heard anything since. All still on their hols while everything is repeated, again.

Would the BBC hand out specific commercial figures on a broadcast contract - particularly in sport where it's under pressure?

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