Trump Moves In

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Okay, so the American Election thread has run its course and it has been proven in a bombshell wikileak today that all Intelligence agencies involved (American, Russian, British, French, German, Chinese, Japanese, Australian and Brazilian) are now in total agreement that the election was above board, clean, non-contentious, valid and entertaining.

So onto the special day.  What a celebration we're all going to have tomorrow as the most popular President in the history of Illuminati Conspiracy Theory stands on a half filled podium and puts his hand on the book - that cannot be named lest it offend some of the sensitive Satanist protesters present - and swears allegiance to his family, his business empire, his twitter account and Alex Jones.

I believe he intends to make a conciliatory speech whereby he'll pledge to continue the war on terrorism by suppressing Rosie O'Donnell's freedom of movement and methods of funding.  He might even declare sanctions on Meryl Streep but he secretly loves her so....well, the CIA better keep an eye on that one.  Trump might be caught fraternising with the enemy yet again if she ever accepts the dove's feather of peace and attends one of his many planned orgies at Trump House.

We all waited impatiently for this day and now it's upon us.  Let's hope the marksman is off to the right a little.  Let's hope the bomb fails to go off.  Let's hope the protesters keep away from matches and keep their bras on.  But apart from all that, lets' discuss the bright future ahead under Donald Trump.

I can sympathise with what Truss is saying... but really, if you're going to be making decisions based on emotions of an event which happened 16 years ago, you really shouldn't be sitting in such a potentially seat.

If Jermaine/Gerry gets banned again for making an inflammatory comment about a Muslim I'm going to PMSL

Jermaine2015 wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:Funny how all these Muslim 'refugees' don't like western culture yet are desperate to get to the USA or mainland Europe(mainly U.K. So they can sponge of benefits). If the western world is so against their beliefs why don't they relocate to Muslim majority countries e.g. Saudi Arabia has plenty of space in their country... but h I forget these Muslims pretend they are against western culture yet claim they move to the West for more freedom.

Trump needs to wipe out the dreadful Muslim religion it's a plague on the world

Congratulations - you just won the internet with your awesome powers of sweeping generalisation!

You may as well say all Germans need to be wiped out because some of them are neo-Nazis and would welcome the creation of a Fourth Reich.

It's not a discussion about Germany or racist Germans but feel free to pass on your grievances to Angela Merkel...

No but I decided to invoke Godwin's Law due to your idiocy. I have no grievances with Merkel...she seems like a decent lady. Only with people who post idiotic comments...whether they are deliberately trolling or are really just ignorant.

dyrewolfe wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I see 1 million people have signed a petition to try to stop Trump coming to the UK...

Mustn't have seen May holding hands with Trump....

Looked like Reagan and Thatcher again..

I noticed she pulled her hand away again quite quickly (tactfully while they were briefly obscured by a pillar). As in "I want us to be friends...but not that friendly"... I think she was letting him know she has no intention of being Ginger Rogers to his Fred Astaire...or something along those lines...

As to Trump coming to the UK...the guy's gotta check his golf courses are doing okay.

Its just like when the same people protested about the BBC letting Nick Griffin appear on Question Time. Let the guy come and say what he has to say...and if he makes himself look a prat then their views will be confirmed.

I think he'll find UK citizens a bit more sceptical and less easily won over by slogans than Americans.

...Brexit

Yes I agree. Let morons be morons and let everyone see them be morons. It's the only way.

Jermaine2015 wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:Funny how all these Muslim 'refugees' don't like western culture yet are desperate to get to the USA or mainland Europe(mainly U.K. So they can sponge of benefits). If the western world is so against their beliefs why don't they relocate to Muslim majority countries e.g. Saudi Arabia has plenty of space in their country... but h I forget these Muslims pretend they are against western culture yet claim they move to the West for more freedom.

Trump needs to wipe out the dreadful Muslim religion it's a plague on the world

Congratulations - you just won the internet with your awesome powers of sweeping generalisation!

You may as well say all Germans need to be wiped out because some of them are neo-Nazis and would welcome the creation of a Fourth Reich. In fact it was exactly that type of thinking that led to the rise of the Nazi party.

Also you might want to do some research into benefit fraud in the UK. Pretty much every news story you see about it features white people who were born in the UK.

Whether white peoples commit fraud or not is it's relevant. It's their country.

OMG now I know you really are trolling...either that or truly dense...

Fraud is fraud and criminal tendencies have no relation whatsoever to ethnicity or nationality.

ShahenshahG wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I see 1 million people have signed a petition to try to stop Trump coming to the UK...

Mustn't have seen May holding hands with Trump....

Looked like Reagan and Thatcher again..

I noticed she pulled her hand away again quite quickly (tactfully while they were briefly obscured by a pillar). As in "I want us to be friends...but not that friendly"... I think she was letting him know she has no intention of being Ginger Rogers to his Fred Astaire...or something along those lines...

As to Trump coming to the UK...the guy's gotta check his golf courses are doing okay.

Its just like when the same people protested about the BBC letting Nick Griffin appear on Question Time. Let the guy come and say what he has to say...and if he makes himself look a prat then their views will be confirmed.

I think he'll find UK citizens a bit more sceptical and less easily won over by slogans than Americans.

...Brexit

Yes I agree. Let morons be morons and let everyone see them be morons. It's the only way.

I imagine most people actually voted on gut feeling and whatever info they could find out that backed or debunked the stupid slogans being trumpeted by both sides. I don't think I'd want to meet anyone who actually believed them.

dyrewolfe wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:Funny how all these Muslim 'refugees' don't like western culture yet are desperate to get to the USA or mainland Europe(mainly U.K. So they can sponge of benefits). If the western world is so against their beliefs why don't they relocate to Muslim majority countries e.g. Saudi Arabia has plenty of space in their country... but h I forget these Muslims pretend they are against western culture yet claim they move to the West for more freedom.

Trump needs to wipe out the dreadful Muslim religion it's a plague on the world

Congratulations - you just won the internet with your awesome powers of sweeping generalisation!

You may as well say all Germans need to be wiped out because some of them are neo-Nazis and would welcome the creation of a Fourth Reich. In fact it was exactly that type of thinking that led to the rise of the Nazi party.

Also you might want to do some research into benefit fraud in the UK. Pretty much every news story you see about it features white people who were born in the UK.

Whether white peoples commit fraud or not is it's relevant. It's their country.

OMG now I know you really are trolling...either that or truly dense...

Fraud is fraud and criminal tendencies have no relation whatsoever to ethnicity or nationality.

I'm not entirely sure but he might be from south Africa. . The diminishing remnants of the apartheid

He's Mexican. Leave us out of this

I'm neither Mexican nor South African...Germany born and raised. But thanks for your concerns.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

GSC wrote:And good leaders need to be able to look past that when making major decisions.

9/11 decimated New York.....Enough to give anybody a negative view of Muslims..

Leave it out..

He wants to keep the USA safe..and he can waterboard anyone he likes if it means doing that..

He could gas all the Jews if he wanted to.

Jermaine2015 wrote:I'm neither Mexican nor South African...Germany born and raised. But thanks for your concerns.

Jermaine isn't a German name You sound like an immigrant.

Sorry I'm pretty sure Gerry was south African exiled to mexico?

JuliusHMarx wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

GSC wrote:And good leaders need to be able to look past that when making major decisions.

9/11 decimated New York.....Enough to give anybody a negative view of Muslims..

Leave it out..

He wants to keep the USA safe..and he can waterboard anyone he likes if it means doing that..

He could gas all the Jews if he wanted to.

No he'll need plenty of money for the 2020 campaign ...

Scottrf wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:I'm neither Mexican nor South African...Germany born and raised. But thanks for your concerns.

Jermaine isn't a German name  You sound like an immigrant.

Names after the Jackson 5, all of my siblings. Again thanks for your concern.

I'm pretty sure he said he's from the same village as Santa Cruz?

Jermaine2015 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:I'm neither Mexican nor South African...Germany born and raised. But thanks for your concerns.

Jermaine isn't a German name  You sound like an immigrant.

Names after the Jackson 5, all of my siblings. Again thanks for your concern.

Jermaine Jackson is Muslim How unfortunate for you.

Lol out loud

"blame it on the muzzy" da do do da

rick_dagless wrote:"blame it on the muzzy" da do do da

No problem with peaceful muslims.....Just the.......smooth criminals Ouwww

Scottrf wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:I'm neither Mexican nor South African...Germany born and raised. But thanks for your concerns.

Jermaine isn't a German name  You sound like an immigrant.

Names after the Jackson 5, all of my siblings. Again thanks for your concern.

Jermaine Jackson is Muslim  How unfortunate for you.

So one of the Jackson Five is gonna be deported?  This is outrageous!  Badly timed!  Should'a happened when their fashion sense was more like this:

Jermaine2015 wrote:Funny how all these Muslim 'refugees' don't like western culture yet are desperate to get to the USA or mainland Europe(mainly U.K. So they can sponge of benefits). If the western world is so against their beliefs why don't they relocate to Muslim majority countries e.g. Saudi Arabia has plenty of space in their country... but h I forget these Muslims pretend they are against western culture yet claim they move to the West for more freedom.

Trump needs to wipe out the dreadful Muslim religion it's a plague on the world

Constructive? Nope. Nasty? Yes.

dyrewolfe wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I see 1 million people have signed a petition to try to stop Trump coming to the UK...

Mustn't have seen May holding hands with Trump....

Looked like Reagan and Thatcher again..

I noticed she pulled her hand away again quite quickly (tactfully while they were briefly obscured by a pillar). As in "I want us to be friends...but not that friendly"... I think she was letting him know she has no intention of being Ginger Rogers to his Fred Astaire...or something along those lines.....

Maybe the PM was worried about where his hands might wander/grab next and wanted both free to defend herself?

Jermaine2015 wrote:

dyrewolfe wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:Funny how all these Muslim 'refugees' don't like western culture yet are desperate to get to the USA or mainland Europe(mainly U.K. So they can sponge of benefits). If the western world is so against their beliefs why don't they relocate to Muslim majority countries e.g. Saudi Arabia has plenty of space in their country... but h I forget these Muslims pretend they are against western culture yet claim they move to the West for more freedom.

Trump needs to wipe out the dreadful Muslim religion it's a plague on the world

Congratulations - you just won the internet with your awesome powers of sweeping generalisation!

You may as well say all Germans need to be wiped out because some of them are neo-Nazis and would welcome the creation of a Fourth Reich. In fact it was exactly that type of thinking that led to the rise of the Nazi party.

Also you might want to do some research into benefit fraud in the UK. Pretty much every news story you see about it features white people who were born in the UK.

Whether white peoples commit fraud or not is it's relevant. It's their country.

You, sir(?), are an utter idiot.

Jermaine2015 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

Jermaine2015 wrote:I'm neither Mexican nor South African...Germany born and raised. But thanks for your concerns.

Jermaine isn't a German name  You sound like an immigrant.

Names after the Jackson 5, all of my siblings. Again thanks for your concern.

I don't think anyone's concerned about where you were born/come from. Just the fact you're a nasty piece of work who's skating on thin ice...

Oh that ice broke about an hour ago.

kingraf wrote:I can sympathise with what Truss is saying... but really, if you're going to be making decisions based on emotions of an event which happened 16 years ago, you really shouldn't be sitting in such a potentially seat.

Never said you should......

17% of people that voted for Trump thought he was unfit for the job (That's 10 million people)..........Don't oppose him with a Crooked, Man-hating,Charisma free zone who has a husband who is a bigger misogynist than Trump..Is the bottom line !!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:I can sympathise with what Truss is saying... but really, if you're going to be making decisions based on emotions of an event which happened 16 years ago, you really shouldn't be sitting in such a potentially seat.

Never said you should......

17% of people that voted for Trump thought he was unfit for the job (That's 10 million people)..........Don't oppose him with a Crooked, Man-hating,Charisma free zone who has a husband who is a bigger misogynist than Trump..Is the bottom line !!

Re. the last sentence, what's it got to do with Trump's stance on Muslims, his "extreme vetting" and how that fits with being the President of, supposedly, the greatest exemplar nation on Earth?

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:I can sympathise with what Truss is saying... but really, if you're going to be making decisions based on emotions of an event which happened 16 years ago, you really shouldn't be sitting in such a potentially seat.

Never said you should......

17% of people that voted for Trump thought he was unfit for the job (That's 10 million people)..........Don't oppose him with a Crooked, Man-hating,Charisma free zone who has a husband who is a bigger misogynist than Trump..Is the bottom line !!

Re. the last sentence, what's it got to do with Trump's stance on Muslims, his "extreme vetting" and how that fits with being the President of, supposedly, the greatest exemplar nation on Earth?

I've explained why I think Trump's stance is like it is.....I wouldn't vote for the guy..

3,000 neighbours wiped out..Tens of thousands of people losing family.....380,000 jobs lost........65 billion bill..

That kind of thing does make you less impartial....He's no doubt scared of muslims....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:I can sympathise with what Truss is saying... but really, if you're going to be making decisions based on emotions of an event which happened 16 years ago, you really shouldn't be sitting in such a potentially seat.

Never said you should......

17% of people that voted for Trump thought he was unfit for the job (That's 10 million people)..........Don't oppose him with a Crooked, Man-hating,Charisma free zone who has a husband who is a bigger misogynist than Trump..Is the bottom line !!

Re. the last sentence, what's it got to do with Trump's stance on Muslims, his "extreme vetting" and how that fits with being the President of, supposedly, the greatest exemplar nation on Earth?

I've explained why I think Trump's stance is like it is.....I wouldn't vote for the guy..

3,000 neighbours wiped out..Tens of thousands of people losing family.....380,000 jobs lost........65 billion bill..

That kind of thing does make you less impartial....He's no doubt scared of muslims....

He's not scared of Muslims.  He's at the beginning of, I assume, a set of policies designed to land a hammer blow on the movement that calls itself Isis; a movement that has as its foundation principles an 'extreme' form of Islam, a movement that has known networks in all Western Nations and a movement that isn't operating without the expertise of spying, campaigns of influence and espionage just like the rest of the 'respectable' Western spy networks (ie, those bad boys who were deported by Obama, the Russians).  Isis is also a movement with links which I believe will eventually add to indictments for people that aren't Arabic and aren't Muslim.  (Thus another reason for the absolute paranoid panic stations in some areas in and around the Washington power elites)  

Isis ostensibly wants to destabilise western nations both economically and socially.  It has declared open warfare on 'the West' not because the 'West' is an enemy in war but simply because Western culture is ideologically incompatible with the global map it wants to create for itself.  The US is number one enemy - 'The Great Satan' - great protector of 'western ideals' - and soft western targets are declared legitimate.

So, with that on-going background to think about, Trump plans on getting tough on Isis and tough on the causes of Isis.  He plans on (and promised those that voted for him) that he'd be much tougher than the last administration.  He isn't exactly going back on the promises or disguising the policy promises that he made to the people that put him into office.  He's beginning his campaign openly and beginning it just when most people thought he'd be off to the golf course when he got Joe-Public's back turned.    

First up is putting into place a more rigorous vetting system for entry into America than existed before he became President.  He flagged it.  It's no shock that he's at the beginning of its imposition.  
When that system is up and running I'm sure the airport gates will open again; but this time the goal will be that the dubious people who slide through international airports at present won't be doing so in future with such ease when their destination of choice is the US.
And when that system is up and running I'm sure Trump will move on to attacking more rigorously the specific areas where this movement's brain operates out of, and I'm sure he'll attack all methods by which they sustain themselves, both at a media level and in the funding of their movement.

Bad man Trump - misogynist basterde - Hitlerian asswipe - .....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hero wrote:America has decimated half of the middle east, wonder why a fair number of them then get a bit angry towards the US?

Terrorism is never justified..

But torture is, according to you....??

SecretFly wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:I can sympathise with what Truss is saying... but really, if you're going to be making decisions based on emotions of an event which happened 16 years ago, you really shouldn't be sitting in such a potentially seat.

Never said you should......

17% of people that voted for Trump thought he was unfit for the job (That's 10 million people)..........Don't oppose him with a Crooked, Man-hating,Charisma free zone who has a husband who is a bigger misogynist than Trump..Is the bottom line !!

Re. the last sentence, what's it got to do with Trump's stance on Muslims, his "extreme vetting" and how that fits with being the President of, supposedly, the greatest exemplar nation on Earth?

I've explained why I think Trump's stance is like it is.....I wouldn't vote for the guy..

3,000 neighbours wiped out..Tens of thousands of people losing family.....380,000 jobs lost........65 billion bill..

That kind of thing does make you less impartial....He's no doubt scared of muslims....

He's not scared of Muslims.  He's at the beginning of, I assume, a set of policies designed to land a hammer blow on the movement that calls itself Isis; a movement that has as its foundation principles an 'extreme' form of Islam, a movement that has known networks in all Western Nations and a movement that isn't operating without the expertise of spying, campaigns of influence and espionage just like the rest of the 'respectable' Western spy networks (ie, those bad boys who were deported by Obama, the Russians).  Isis is also a movement with links which I believe will eventually add to indictments for people that aren't Arabic and aren't Muslim.  (Thus another reason for the absolute paranoid panic stations in some areas in and around the Washington power elites)  

Isis ostensibly wants to destabilise western nations both economically and socially.  It has declared open warfare on 'the West' not because the 'West' is an enemy in war but simply because Western culture is ideologically incompatible with the global map it wants to create for itself.  The US is number one enemy - 'The Great Satan' - great protector of 'western ideals' - and soft western targets are declared legitimate.

So, with that on-going background to think about, Trump plans on getting tough on Isis and tough on the causes of Isis.  He plans on (and promised those that voted for him) that he'd be much tougher than the last administration.  He isn't exactly going back on the promises or disguising the policy promises that he made to the people that put him into office.  He's beginning his campaign openly and beginning it just when most people thought he'd be off to the golf course when he got Joe-Public's back turned.    

First up is putting into place a more rigorous vetting system for entry into America than existed before he became President.  He flagged it.  It's no shock that he's at the beginning of its imposition.  
When that system is up and running I'm sure the airport gates will open again; but this time the goal will be that the dubious people who slide through international airports at present won't be doing so in future with such ease when their destination of choice is the US.
And when that system is up and running I'm sure Trump will move on to attacking more rigorously the specific areas where this movement's brain operates out of, and I'm sure he'll attack all methods by which they sustain themselves, both at a media level and in the funding of their movement.

Bad man Trump - misogynist basterde - Hitlerian asswipe - .....

Garbage....He doesn't get detail.....

Populist from start to finish with no fine details.....He thinks Sunni and Shia sung "I got you babe"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-9-11-funds-program-net-150g-payday-article-1.2641951

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:I can sympathise with what Truss is saying... but really, if you're going to be making decisions based on emotions of an event which happened 16 years ago, you really shouldn't be sitting in such a potentially seat.

Never said you should......

17% of people that voted for Trump thought he was unfit for the job (That's 10 million people)..........Don't oppose him with a Crooked, Man-hating,Charisma free zone who has a husband who is a bigger misogynist than Trump..Is the bottom line !!

Re. the last sentence, what's it got to do with Trump's stance on Muslims, his "extreme vetting" and how that fits with being the President of, supposedly, the greatest exemplar nation on Earth?

I've explained why I think Trump's stance is like it is.....I wouldn't vote for the guy..

3,000 neighbours wiped out..Tens of thousands of people losing family.....380,000 jobs lost........65 billion bill..

That kind of thing does make you less impartial....He's no doubt scared of muslims....

He's not scared of Muslims.  He's at the beginning of, I assume, a set of policies designed to land a hammer blow on the movement that calls itself Isis; a movement that has as its foundation principles an 'extreme' form of Islam, a movement that has known networks in all Western Nations and a movement that isn't operating without the expertise of spying, campaigns of influence and espionage just like the rest of the 'respectable' Western spy networks (ie, those bad boys who were deported by Obama, the Russians).  Isis is also a movement with links which I believe will eventually add to indictments for people that aren't Arabic and aren't Muslim.  (Thus another reason for the absolute paranoid panic stations in some areas in and around the Washington power elites)  

Isis ostensibly wants to destabilise western nations both economically and socially.  It has declared open warfare on 'the West' not because the 'West' is an enemy in war but simply because Western culture is ideologically incompatible with the global map it wants to create for itself.  The US is number one enemy - 'The Great Satan' - great protector of 'western ideals' - and soft western targets are declared legitimate.

So, with that on-going background to think about, Trump plans on getting tough on Isis and tough on the causes of Isis.  He plans on (and promised those that voted for him) that he'd be much tougher than the last administration.  He isn't exactly going back on the promises or disguising the policy promises that he made to the people that put him into office.  He's beginning his campaign openly and beginning it just when most people thought he'd be off to the golf course when he got Joe-Public's back turned.    

First up is putting into place a more rigorous vetting system for entry into America than existed before he became President.  He flagged it.  It's no shock that he's at the beginning of its imposition.  
When that system is up and running I'm sure the airport gates will open again; but this time the goal will be that the dubious people who slide through international airports at present won't be doing so in future with such ease when their destination of choice is the US.
And when that system is up and running I'm sure Trump will move on to attacking more rigorously the specific areas where this movement's brain operates out of, and I'm sure he'll attack all methods by which they sustain themselves, both at a media level and in the funding of their movement.

Bad man Trump - misogynist basterde - Hitlerian asswipe - .....

Garbage....He doesn't get detail.....

Populist from start to finish with no fine details.....He thinks Sunni and Shia sung "I got you babe"

Haven't you been wrong before Truss?   It's the Populists that are now creating such a high pitched whine.  The 'Progressives' have now become the 'Populists'.     It's an epic Movie that nobody will touch in the future - it's too big for any of the shyster writers that inhabit Hollywood - unless they make it into a musical.  A Musical always works.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hero wrote:America has decimated half of the middle east, wonder why a fair number of them then get a bit angry towards the US?

Terrorism is never justified..

But torture is, according to you....??

Seems Trumpy has done a bit of a U-turn on that one. On the news the other night he said he had appointed a General as Sec Def who was against "enhanced interrogation" and that he would not attempt to overrule any decisions he made on that score.

Hope this is true as this is one of the things that really made me question his "fitness to rule".

ShahenshahG wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-9-11-funds-program-net-150g-payday-article-1.2641951

FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS....

Q: What about the detained 5yo? Spicer: To assume that because of someone's age or gender they don't pose a threat is "misguided and wrong"

Perhaps its fake news that an idiot tv misogynist celebrity multiple bankrupt with a bad wig has been voted leader of the free world with the most powerful military industrial complex at his finger tips n the back of a campaign of hate and division, and that he isn't going to take us closer to world conflict with his impetuous, populist bigoted attitude to the world. One hopes so.

Gwlad wrote:Perhaps its fake news that an idiot tv misogynist celebrity multiple bankrupt with a bad wig has been voted leader of the free world with the most powerful military industrial complex at his finger tips n the back of a campaign of hate and division, and that he isn't going to take us closer to world conflict with his impetuous, populist bigoted attitude to the world. One hopes so.

FAKE NEWS!

Even his detractors who get close enough admit it's his own hair

SecretFly wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:I can sympathise with what Truss is saying... but really, if you're going to be making decisions based on emotions of an event which happened 16 years ago, you really shouldn't be sitting in such a potentially seat.

Never said you should......

17% of people that voted for Trump thought he was unfit for the job (That's 10 million people)..........Don't oppose him with a Crooked, Man-hating,Charisma free zone who has a husband who is a bigger misogynist than Trump..Is the bottom line !!

Re. the last sentence, what's it got to do with Trump's stance on Muslims, his "extreme vetting" and how that fits with being the President of, supposedly, the greatest exemplar nation on Earth?

I've explained why I think Trump's stance is like it is.....I wouldn't vote for the guy..

3,000 neighbours wiped out..Tens of thousands of people losing family.....380,000 jobs lost........65 billion bill..

That kind of thing does make you less impartial....He's no doubt scared of muslims....

He's not scared of Muslims.  He's at the beginning of, I assume, a set of policies designed to land a hammer blow on the movement that calls itself Isis; a movement that has as its foundation principles an 'extreme' form of Islam, a movement that has known networks in all Western Nations and a movement that isn't operating without the expertise of spying, campaigns of influence and espionage just like the rest of the 'respectable' Western spy networks (ie, those bad boys who were deported by Obama, the Russians).  Isis is also a movement with links which I believe will eventually add to indictments for people that aren't Arabic and aren't Muslim.  (Thus another reason for the absolute paranoid panic stations in some areas in and around the Washington power elites)  

Isis ostensibly wants to destabilise western nations both economically and socially.  It has declared open warfare on 'the West' not because the 'West' is an enemy in war but simply because Western culture is ideologically incompatible with the global map it wants to create for itself.  The US is number one enemy - 'The Great Satan' - great protector of 'western ideals' - and soft western targets are declared legitimate.

So, with that on-going background to think about, Trump plans on getting tough on Isis and tough on the causes of Isis.  He plans on (and promised those that voted for him) that he'd be much tougher than the last administration.  He isn't exactly going back on the promises or disguising the policy promises that he made to the people that put him into office.  He's beginning his campaign openly and beginning it just when most people thought he'd be off to the golf course when he got Joe-Public's back turned.    

First up is putting into place a more rigorous vetting system for entry into America than existed before he became President.  He flagged it.  It's no shock that he's at the beginning of its imposition.  
When that system is up and running I'm sure the airport gates will open again; but this time the goal will be that the dubious people who slide through international airports at present won't be doing so in future with such ease when their destination of choice is the US.
And when that system is up and running I'm sure Trump will move on to attacking more rigorously the specific areas where this movement's brain operates out of, and I'm sure he'll attack all methods by which they sustain themselves, both at a media level and in the funding of their movement.

Bad man Trump - misogynist basterde - Hitlerian asswipe - .....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38802673

FAKE NEWS

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hero wrote:America has decimated half of the middle east, wonder why a fair number of them then get a bit angry towards the US?

Terrorism is never justified..

But torture is, according to you....??

If a terrorist knew where your kidnapped family member was and was keeping his mouth shut what would you do? Get him tea and cookies and hope he tells you eventually?

That assumes:

1. the person being tortured is a terrorist
2. they have the quality of informtion

A lot of concerns around torture is its misuse (torturing potentially innocent people, toruturing for revenge / punishment rather than information gathering) and the reliability of the information obtained (people will say / agree anything if tortured long enough).

profitius wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hero wrote:America has decimated half of the middle east, wonder why a fair number of them then get a bit angry towards the US?

Terrorism is never justified..

But torture is, according to you....??

If a terrorist knew where your kidnapped family member was and was keeping his mouth shut what would you do? Get him tea and cookies and hope he tells you eventually?

So, law should cover literally every extreme eventuality? No, terrible things should be illegal, and if people break the law, the case is decided on its merits.

As an example, few would say a man stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving children deserves to go to prison, but that in no way means we should legalize theft.

profitius wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Hero wrote:America has decimated half of the middle east, wonder why a fair number of them then get a bit angry towards the US?

Terrorism is never justified..

But torture is, according to you....??

If a terrorist knew where your kidnapped family member was and was keeping his mouth shut what would you do? Get him tea and cookies and hope he tells you eventually?

this is the sort of BS that people trot out as the reason to justify state sponsored terrorism. Thats not why torture is used, no one cares about kidnapping victims in this scenario; I will bet my wig that torture has been used rarely to get terrorists to reveal the location of people held captive. It is used to gain information and anyone who knows anything about interrogations and interviews will know that if you put someone under significant duress eventually they will tell you anything for it to stop. What ought we do, codify torture in legal terms to justify the application of pain to extract information at the state level? That is such a gigantic backward step and is the thin end of the wedge….how do we control it, how do we stop proliferation and abuses?
The short answer is the end does not justify the means and when we start to behave the way they do we have lost. It si that simple. As we have just lost by banning all people into the USA from 7 Moslem countries. Utter nonsense. And we will reap what we have sown.

SecretFly wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:I can sympathise with what Truss is saying... but really, if you're going to be making decisions based on emotions of an event which happened 16 years ago, you really shouldn't be sitting in such a potentially seat.

Never said you should......

17% of people that voted for Trump thought he was unfit for the job (That's 10 million people)..........Don't oppose him with a Crooked, Man-hating,Charisma free zone who has a husband who is a bigger misogynist than Trump..Is the bottom line !!

Re. the last sentence, what's it got to do with Trump's stance on Muslims, his "extreme vetting" and how that fits with being the President of, supposedly, the greatest exemplar nation on Earth?

I've explained why I think Trump's stance is like it is.....I wouldn't vote for the guy..

3,000 neighbours wiped out..Tens of thousands of people losing family.....380,000 jobs lost........65 billion bill..

That kind of thing does make you less impartial....He's no doubt scared of muslims....

He's not scared of Muslims.  He's at the beginning of, I assume, a set of policies designed to land a hammer blow on the movement that calls itself Isis; a movement that has as its foundation principles an 'extreme' form of Islam, a movement that has known networks in all Western Nations and a movement that isn't operating without the expertise of spying, campaigns of influence and espionage just like the rest of the 'respectable' Western spy networks (ie, those bad boys who were deported by Obama, the Russians).  Isis is also a movement with links which I believe will eventually add to indictments for people that aren't Arabic and aren't Muslim.  (Thus another reason for the absolute paranoid panic stations in some areas in and around the Washington power elites)  

Isis ostensibly wants to destabilise western nations both economically and socially.  It has declared open warfare on 'the West' not because the 'West' is an enemy in war but simply because Western culture is ideologically incompatible with the global map it wants to create for itself.  The US is number one enemy - 'The Great Satan' - great protector of 'western ideals' - and soft western targets are declared legitimate.

So, with that on-going background to think about, Trump plans on getting tough on Isis and tough on the causes of Isis.  He plans on (and promised those that voted for him) that he'd be much tougher than the last administration.  He isn't exactly going back on the promises or disguising the policy promises that he made to the people that put him into office.  He's beginning his campaign openly and beginning it just when most people thought he'd be off to the golf course when he got Joe-Public's back turned.    

First up is putting into place a more rigorous vetting system for entry into America than existed before he became President.  He flagged it.  It's no shock that he's at the beginning of its imposition.  
When that system is up and running I'm sure the airport gates will open again; but this time the goal will be that the dubious people who slide through international airports at present won't be doing so in future with such ease when their destination of choice is the US.
And when that system is up and running I'm sure Trump will move on to attacking more rigorously the specific areas where this movement's brain operates out of, and I'm sure he'll attack all methods by which they sustain themselves, both at a media level and in the funding of their movement.

Bad man Trump - misogynist basterde - Hitlerian asswipe - .....

Are you really that scared of Isis Fly? They are a tiny, pathetic group who have gone backwards on every single one of their goals in the last 12 months. They are maybe a top 20 danger to the world order, behind, you know dozens of countries. The only thing that increases their power is treating them like soviet union 2. Which Trump has done, and continues to do.

If you think this order is about Trump acting tough on isis, pull another one. Please give the names of every single terrorist who has killed someone on US soil from the list of countries trump banned? Its a short list, shouldn't take long.

wolfball wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

kingraf wrote:I can sympathise with what Truss is saying... but really, if you're going to be making decisions based on emotions of an event which happened 16 years ago, you really shouldn't be sitting in such a potentially seat.

Never said you should......

17% of people that voted for Trump thought he was unfit for the job (That's 10 million people)..........Don't oppose him with a Crooked, Man-hating,Charisma free zone who has a husband who is a bigger misogynist than Trump..Is the bottom line !!

Re. the last sentence, what's it got to do with Trump's stance on Muslims, his "extreme vetting" and how that fits with being the President of, supposedly, the greatest exemplar nation on Earth?

I've explained why I think Trump's stance is like it is.....I wouldn't vote for the guy..

3,000 neighbours wiped out..Tens of thousands of people losing family.....380,000 jobs lost........65 billion bill..

That kind of thing does make you less impartial....He's no doubt scared of muslims....

He's not scared of Muslims.  He's at the beginning of, I assume, a set of policies designed to land a hammer blow on the movement that calls itself Isis; a movement that has as its foundation principles an 'extreme' form of Islam, a movement that has known networks in all Western Nations and a movement that isn't operating without the expertise of spying, campaigns of influence and espionage just like the rest of the 'respectable' Western spy networks (ie, those bad boys who were deported by Obama, the Russians).  Isis is also a movement with links which I believe will eventually add to indictments for people that aren't Arabic and aren't Muslim.  (Thus another reason for the absolute paranoid panic stations in some areas in and around the Washington power elites)  

Isis ostensibly wants to destabilise western nations both economically and socially.  It has declared open warfare on 'the West' not because the 'West' is an enemy in war but simply because Western culture is ideologically incompatible with the global map it wants to create for itself.  The US is number one enemy - 'The Great Satan' - great protector of 'western ideals' - and soft western targets are declared legitimate.

So, with that on-going background to think about, Trump plans on getting tough on Isis and tough on the causes of Isis.  He plans on (and promised those that voted for him) that he'd be much tougher than the last administration.  He isn't exactly going back on the promises or disguising the policy promises that he made to the people that put him into office.  He's beginning his campaign openly and beginning it just when most people thought he'd be off to the golf course when he got Joe-Public's back turned.    

First up is putting into place a more rigorous vetting system for entry into America than existed before he became President.  He flagged it.  It's no shock that he's at the beginning of its imposition.  
When that system is up and running I'm sure the airport gates will open again; but this time the goal will be that the dubious people who slide through international airports at present won't be doing so in future with such ease when their destination of choice is the US.
And when that system is up and running I'm sure Trump will move on to attacking more rigorously the specific areas where this movement's brain operates out of, and I'm sure he'll attack all methods by which they sustain themselves, both at a media level and in the funding of their movement.

Bad man Trump - misogynist basterde - Hitlerian asswipe - .....

Are you really that scared of Isis Fly? They are a tiny, pathetic group who have gone backwards on every single one of their goals in the last 12 months. They are maybe a top 20 danger to the world order, behind, you know dozens of countries. The only thing that increases their power is treating them like soviet union 2. Which Trump has done, and continues to do.

If you think this order is about Trump acting tough on isis, pull another one. Please give the names of every single terrorist who has killed someone on US soil from the list of countries trump banned? Its a short list, shouldn't take long.

Exactly.

That said i would like to see Isis exterminated but this is not the way. It will only empower them in the ME.

A surgical incisive and considered approach is required. Trump is playing politics with world security and he is a man baby without the intellectual capacity to understand that this ridiculous move will have disastrous consequences. But that is what i think he actually wants, that way his beliefs are justified.

I think trumps presidency is going the same way as his campaigning. The best way to deal with cintrversy is to create new controversy. His travel ban was poorly thought out and executed. Designed to create chaos which his loyal followers misinterpret as action and making good on peomises. Absolutely no attempt to bridge the divisiveness in the country. Breaking eggs, but not making omlettes.

So today we awake to the news that an attorney general who think Trump's ban on Muslims is unlawful and wrong have "betrayed" the country. Once more, the parallels with 30's Germany are scarily accurate: judges, lawyers, etc. who stand up to fascism will be branded traitors and enemies of the people. Funny how the far right claim to be for free speech, bemoaning the overly PC culture etc., but the moment someone disagrees with them, criticises them, protests against them, they are incredibly quick to attempt to shut down that person's free speech...

First they came for the Muslims, did you speak out?

SecretFly wrote:...Bad man Trump - misogynist basterde - Hitlerian asswipe - .....

Well, at least you got that bit right.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:...Populist from start to finish with no fine details.....He thinks Sunni and Shia sung "I got you babe"

Another bull's eye...

Press being muzzled, another tick.

Seriously, we should start a bingo.

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/01/30/conway-just-called-journalist-criticizes-trump-fired