2018 & 2019 6 Nations Fixtures

by **LondonTiger** Tue May 16, 2017 1:36 pm

2018 CHAMPIONSHIP

3/4 February
Wales v Scotland, Saturday 2.15pm
France v Ireland, Saturday 4.45pm
Italy v England, Sunday 3.00pm

10/11 February
Ireland v Italy, Saturday 2.15pm
England v Wales, Saturday 4.45pm
Scotland v France, Sunday 3.00pm

23/24 February
France v Italy, Friday 8.00pm*
Ireland v Wales, Saturday 2.15pm
Scotland v England, Saturday 4.45pm

10/11 March
Ireland v Scotland, Saturday 2.15pm
France v England, Saturday 4.45pm
Wales v Italy, Sunday 3.00pm

17 March
Italy v Scotland, Saturday 12.30pm
England v Ireland, Saturday 2.45pm
Wales v France, Saturday 5.00pm

*Venue for this match will be announced at a later stage

2019 CHAMPIONSHIP

1/2 February
France v Wales, Friday 8.00pm
Scotland v Italy, Saturday 2.15pm
Ireland v England, Saturday 4.45pm

9/10 February
Scotland v Ireland, Saturday 2.15pm
Italy v Wales, Saturday 4.45pm
England v France, Sunday 3.00pm

23/24 February
France v Scotland, Saturday 2.15pm
Wales v England, Saturday 4.45pm
Italy v Ireland, Sunday 3.00pm

9/10 March
Scotland v Wales, Saturday 2.15pm
England v Italy, Saturday 4.45pm
Ireland v France, Sunday 3.00pm

16 March
Italy v France, Saturday 12.30pm
Wales v Ireland, Saturday 2.45pm
England v Scotland, Saturday 5.00pm

Read more at http://www.rbs6nations.com/en/news/31682.php#MQ7MvuapfDIF2quD.99

by munkian Tue May 16, 2017 1:46 pm

Bring it.

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 1:50 pm

A Friday evening clash for the Guiseppe Garibaldi Trophy between France and Italy kicks off Round Three. For the first time ever, this fixture will take place outside of Paris. A venue for this match will be announced in the next few weeks

That should be interesting, is this an attempt to grow the game?

by munkian Tue May 16, 2017 1:51 pm

marty2086 wrote:
A Friday evening clash for the Guiseppe Garibaldi Trophy between France and Italy kicks off Round Three. For the first time ever, this fixture will take place outside of Paris. A venue for this match will be announced in the next few weeks

That should be interesting, is this an attempt to grow the game?

South of France maybe ?

by Guest Tue May 16, 2017 1:55 pm

Hang on a minute i could have sworn Scotland were supposed to have Italy home and away from the first round in 2018 and 2019. Have I made that up?? Or is the other Italy match opener in 2020?

Will have to target the 2019 championship anyway with that fixture list...

by beshocked Tue May 16, 2017 1:59 pm

I am glad the balance of England having to play most final games of the 6 nations away from home is being addressed.

Still the disproportionate amount of games away from home in the 1st round in recent years continues though.....

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 2:03 pm

munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
A Friday evening clash for the Guiseppe Garibaldi Trophy between France and Italy kicks off Round Three. For the first time ever, this fixture will take place outside of Paris. A venue for this match will be announced in the next few weeks

That should be interesting, is this an attempt to grow the game?

South of France maybe ?

That's what I was thinking, maybe Marseille at the Velodrome which is the biggest stadium in the South. Takes in Toulon, Montpellier and Grenoble and closer for places like Lyon and about equidistance from Clermont-Ferrand as Paris and close to the Italian border

by robbo277 Tue May 16, 2017 2:03 pm

Happy England are finishing on home games. 12 of the 18 Six Nations years, and 6 in the last 8, we've finished away.

This has led to an interesting predicament in that England have more home games (on average) in Weeks 1-4 and less home games (on average) in Week 5. With home advantage being King in the Six Nations, England have got into the last weekend 4-and-0 7 times (2000, 2001, 2003, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2017) and won 2 out of 7. On all 7 of those occasions though, we finished away and never against Italy (Ireland 4 times - 2001, 2003, 2011, 2017; Wales - 2013, France - 2016 and Scotland - 2000 all once).

This makes sense, in that one of our hardest games is last, so we're more likely to win the first 4 and less likely to win the last one.

I also think that it's different pressure, for example, chasing a Slam as opposed to a World Cup knock-out game. In each year except 2003 and 2013, England's opponents weren't playing for silverware. They could go out, in front of their home crowds, throw the kitchen sink at us and piss on our parade. In 4 of those 5 instances, the team with nothing to play for managed to tip over a Grand Slam chasing England.

In 2003, Ireland and England were both playing for the Grand Slam and England took it. In 2013, Wales were in with a shot at the Championship and managed to take it.

It's interesting looking at the other 7 won Grand Slams that 6 of the final wins came at home, and the only away win had Ireland win in Cardiff while Wales were playing for a Championship.

2002 - France secured the Grand Slam with a 44-5 home win against Ireland - Ireland had a mathematical chance at the Championship.
2004 - France secured the Grand Slam with a 24-21 home win against England - England had a mathematical chance at the Championship.
2005 - Wales secured the Grand Slam with a 32-20 home win against Ireland - Ireland had a mathematical chance at the Championship.
2008 - Wales secured the Grand Slam with a 29-12 home win against France - France had a mathematical chance at the Championship.
2009 - Ireland secured the Grand Slam with a 15-17 away in Wales - Wales had a mathematical chance at the Championship.
2010 - France secured the Grand Slam with a 12-10 home win against England - England were out the Championship running.
2012 - Wales secured the Grand Slam with a home win against France - France were out the Championship running.

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 2:04 pm

beshocked wrote:I am glad the balance of England having to play most final games of the 6 nations away from home is being addressed.

Still the disproportionate amount of games away from home in the 1st round in recent years continues though.....

That's been a real hindrance recently hasn't it Rolling Eyes

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 16, 2017 2:18 pm

For next year it's pretty much the ideal set of fixtures for England. Possibly you'd want to swap scotland and France games as scotland can start to feel the bite.with injuries later in the tournament.

by Scottrf Tue May 16, 2017 2:22 pm

marty2086 wrote:
beshocked wrote:I am glad the balance of England having to play most final games of the 6 nations away from home is being addressed.

Still the disproportionate amount of games away from home in the 1st round in recent years continues though.....

That's been a real hindrance recently hasn't it

Well it cost the slam this year.

by munkian Tue May 16, 2017 2:22 pm

marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
A Friday evening clash for the Guiseppe Garibaldi Trophy between France and Italy kicks off Round Three. For the first time ever, this fixture will take place outside of Paris. A venue for this match will be announced in the next few weeks

That should be interesting, is this an attempt to grow the game?

South of France maybe ?

That's what I was thinking, maybe Marseille at the Velodrome which is the biggest stadium in the South. Takes in Toulon, Montpellier and Grenoble and closer for places like Lyon and about equidistance from Clermont-Ferrand as Paris and close to the Italian border

My thinking exactly. Better weather too.

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 2:27 pm

munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
A Friday evening clash for the Guiseppe Garibaldi Trophy between France and Italy kicks off Round Three. For the first time ever, this fixture will take place outside of Paris. A venue for this match will be announced in the next few weeks

That should be interesting, is this an attempt to grow the game?

South of France maybe ?

That's what I was thinking, maybe Marseille at the Velodrome which is the biggest stadium in the South. Takes in Toulon, Montpellier and Grenoble and closer for places like Lyon and about equidistance from Clermont-Ferrand as Paris and close to the Italian border

My thinking exactly. Better weather too.

It may also be a better atmosphere if they can fill the place with fans who don't get to many France games

by munkian Tue May 16, 2017 3:38 pm

marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
A Friday evening clash for the Guiseppe Garibaldi Trophy between France and Italy kicks off Round Three. For the first time ever, this fixture will take place outside of Paris. A venue for this match will be announced in the next few weeks

That should be interesting, is this an attempt to grow the game?

South of France maybe ?

That's what I was thinking, maybe Marseille at the Velodrome which is the biggest stadium in the South. Takes in Toulon, Montpellier and Grenoble and closer for places like Lyon and about equidistance from Clermont-Ferrand as Paris and close to the Italian border

My thinking exactly. Better weather too.

It may also be a better atmosphere if they can fill the place with fans who don't get to many France games

Shhh, they'll be moving games to North Wales next Shocked

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 4:02 pm

munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
A Friday evening clash for the Guiseppe Garibaldi Trophy between France and Italy kicks off Round Three. For the first time ever, this fixture will take place outside of Paris. A venue for this match will be announced in the next few weeks

That should be interesting, is this an attempt to grow the game?

South of France maybe ?

That's what I was thinking, maybe Marseille at the Velodrome which is the biggest stadium in the South. Takes in Toulon, Montpellier and Grenoble and closer for places like Lyon and about equidistance from Clermont-Ferrand as Paris and close to the Italian border

My thinking exactly. Better weather too.

It may also be a better atmosphere if they can fill the place with fans who don't get to many France games

Shhh, they'll be moving games to North Wales next

With the amount of complaining about playing games in Cardiff at times it'll have to happen sooner or later

by whocares Tue May 16, 2017 4:09 pm

marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
A Friday evening clash for the Guiseppe Garibaldi Trophy between France and Italy kicks off Round Three. For the first time ever, this fixture will take place outside of Paris. A venue for this match will be announced in the next few weeks

That should be interesting, is this an attempt to grow the game?

South of France maybe ?

That's what I was thinking, maybe Marseille at the Velodrome which is the biggest stadium in the South. Takes in Toulon, Montpellier and Grenoble and closer for places like Lyon and about equidistance from Clermont-Ferrand as Paris and close to the Italian border

My thinking exactly. Better weather too.

It may also be a better atmosphere if they can fill the place with fans who don't get to many France games

Shhh, they'll be moving games to North Wales next

With the amount of complaining about playing games in Cardiff at times it'll have to happen sooner or later

Nice Allianz Arena is rumored to be the chosen one - "nice" touch from the FFR given it is almost in Italy anyway (bit like playing England-Scotland in Carlisle, just a bit of extra sun on top)

by LordDowlais Tue May 16, 2017 4:21 pm

I see we have been lumbered with playing France on a Friday night again in 2019. Rolling Eyes

When are the other home nations going to take their turn with Friday night games ?

by MichaelT Tue May 16, 2017 4:26 pm

Why do the same set of matches take place at the same time? Every time England play Ireland, Wales play France and Scotland Italy for example. Anyone know if there a reason for this?

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 4:27 pm

LordDowlais wrote:I see we have been lumbered with playing France on a Friday night again in 2019.

When are the other home nations going to take their turn with Friday night games ?

No one else needs to, the French have put their hand up and that fulfils the contractual obligations

by LordDowlais Tue May 16, 2017 4:31 pm

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I see we have been lumbered with playing France on a Friday night again in 2019.

When are the other home nations going to take their turn with Friday night games ?

No one else needs to, the French have put their hand up and that fulfils the contractual obligations

But why do we have to be the Friday fixture ? Why couldn't somebody else fit that bill, and we play them on a Saturday ?

by beshocked Tue May 16, 2017 4:35 pm

LordDowlais wrote:I see we have been lumbered with playing France on a Friday night again in 2019.

When are the other home nations going to take their turn with Friday night games ?

I thought the Friday night games were a Welsh idea.

The RFU have made it clear that they don't want Friday night games.

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 4:35 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I see we have been lumbered with playing France on a Friday night again in 2019.

When are the other home nations going to take their turn with Friday night games ?

No one else needs to, the French have put their hand up and that fulfils the contractual obligations

But why do we have to be the Friday fixture ? Why couldn't somebody else fit that bill, and we play them on a Saturday ?

Its all a conspiracy Whistle

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 4:35 pm

beshocked wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I see we have been lumbered with playing France on a Friday night again in 2019.

When are the other home nations going to take their turn with Friday night games ?

I thought the Friday night games were a Welsh idea.

The RFU have made it clear that they don't want Friday night games.

So have the IRFU

by beshocked Tue May 16, 2017 4:36 pm

marty2086 wrote:
beshocked wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I see we have been lumbered with playing France on a Friday night again in 2019.

When are the other home nations going to take their turn with Friday night games ?

I thought the Friday night games were a Welsh idea.

The RFU have made it clear that they don't want Friday night games.

So have the IRFU

Well that answers Lorddowlais question.

by No 7&1/2 Tue May 16, 2017 4:39 pm

To host. Not sure anyone gets an option for away games if say france wales whoever chooses to host.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue May 16, 2017 4:42 pm

LordDowlais wrote:I see we have been lumbered with playing France on a Friday night again in 2019.

When are the other home nations going to take their turn with Friday night games ?

Apparently the police/Twickenham council have put enough pressure on the RFU to say "No" to Friday night. Getting out there after work, in rush hour would be a complete nightmare in fairness, the trains barely handle regular commuter traffic

WRU is opting out after 2019 too

by munkian Tue May 16, 2017 4:45 pm

whocares wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
A Friday evening clash for the Guiseppe Garibaldi Trophy between France and Italy kicks off Round Three. For the first time ever, this fixture will take place outside of Paris. A venue for this match will be announced in the next few weeks

That should be interesting, is this an attempt to grow the game?

South of France maybe ?

That's what I was thinking, maybe Marseille at the Velodrome which is the biggest stadium in the South. Takes in Toulon, Montpellier and Grenoble and closer for places like Lyon and about equidistance from Clermont-Ferrand as Paris and close to the Italian border

My thinking exactly. Better weather too.

It may also be a better atmosphere if they can fill the place with fans who don't get to many France games

Shhh, they'll be moving games to North Wales next

With the amount of complaining about playing games in Cardiff at times it'll have to happen sooner or later

Nice Allianz Arena is rumored to be the chosen one - "nice" touch from the FFR given it is almost in Italy anyway (bit like playing England-Scotland in Carlisle, just a bit of extra sun on top)

Wait, Carlisle isn't in Scotland ?

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 4:46 pm

Pete the WRU have opted out for 2018 and 2019

by LordDowlais Tue May 16, 2017 4:52 pm

beshocked wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I see we have been lumbered with playing France on a Friday night again in 2019.

When are the other home nations going to take their turn with Friday night games ?

I thought the Friday night games were a Welsh idea.

The RFU have made it clear that they don't want Friday night games.

Nope. The WRU has refused to host anymore Friday night games, yet we still have to put up with being part of a Friday night fixture away from home. It's a friggin nightmare.

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 4:54 pm

Think you might need this LD

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by LordDowlais Tue May 16, 2017 4:55 pm

You lot will not know the nightmare of having Friday night games every year for the last 8 years. mad

by BamBam Tue May 16, 2017 4:56 pm

Think that one is a bit big marty

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by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 4:58 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

You lot will not know the nightmare of having Friday night games every year for the last 8 years.

Yeah us Ulster fans wouldn't have a clue about that Rolling Eyes

by LordDowlais Tue May 16, 2017 5:02 pm

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

You lot will not know the nightmare of having Friday night games every year for the last 8 years.

Yeah us Ulster fans wouldn't have a clue about that

It's a bit different when you have to commute to another country to watch your team though, also, it is a lot different when there are over 100,000 people trying to get home from a home game on a Friday night. In 2019 a lot of Welsh people will have to book an extra day off work now if they want to travel to France to watch their country, the Welsh are always put in this position as the blazers know that we are a rugby mad country and will make sacrifices to watch our country play.

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 5:12 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

You lot will not know the nightmare of having Friday night games every year for the last 8 years.

Yeah us Ulster fans wouldn't have a clue about that

It's a bit different when you have to commute to another country to watch your team though, also, it is a lot different when there are over 100,000 people trying to get home from a home game on a Friday night. In 2019 a lot of Welsh people will have to book an extra day off work now if they want to travel to France to watch their country, the Welsh are always put in this position as the blazers know that we are a rugby mad country and will make sacrifices to watch our country play.

We have to travel to a different country to watch the Irish anytime we want to see them play Rolling Eyes

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue May 16, 2017 5:15 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
beshocked wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I see we have been lumbered with playing France on a Friday night again in 2019.

When are the other home nations going to take their turn with Friday night games ?

I thought the Friday night games were a Welsh idea.

The RFU have made it clear that they don't want Friday night games.

Nope. The WRU has refused to host anymore Friday night games, yet we still have to put up with being part of a Friday night fixture away from home. It's a friggin nightmare.

Oops, misread the home/away bit of the 2019 fixture

by LordDowlais Tue May 16, 2017 5:21 pm

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

You lot will not know the nightmare of having Friday night games every year for the last 8 years.

Yeah us Ulster fans wouldn't have a clue about that

It's a bit different when you have to commute to another country to watch your team though, also, it is a lot different when there are over 100,000 people trying to get home from a home game on a Friday night. In 2019 a lot of Welsh people will have to book an extra day off work now if they want to travel to France to watch their country, the Welsh are always put in this position as the blazers know that we are a rugby mad country and will make sacrifices to watch our country play.

We have to travel to a different country to watch the Irish anytime we want to see them play

Not on a Friday night you don't. Anyway, forget it, you have one of your heads on when you are going to have an argument whether I like it or not, so lets just leave it shall we ?

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 5:22 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

You lot will not know the nightmare of having Friday night games every year for the last 8 years.

Yeah us Ulster fans wouldn't have a clue about that

It's a bit different when you have to commute to another country to watch your team though, also, it is a lot different when there are over 100,000 people trying to get home from a home game on a Friday night. In 2019 a lot of Welsh people will have to book an extra day off work now if they want to travel to France to watch their country, the Welsh are always put in this position as the blazers know that we are a rugby mad country and will make sacrifices to watch our country play.

We have to travel to a different country to watch the Irish anytime we want to see them play

Not on a Friday night you don't. Anyway, forget it, you have one of your heads on when you are going to have an argument whether I like it or not, so lets just leave it shall we ?

Nope Im good continuing, especially as we just played you lot in Cardiff this year Whistle

by LordDowlais Tue May 16, 2017 5:37 pm

marty2086 wrote:Nope Im good continuing, especially as we just played you lot in Cardiff this year Whistle

Once, one Friday night game, in how many years ?

by marty2086 Tue May 16, 2017 5:42 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Nope Im good continuing, especially as we just played you lot in Cardiff this year Whistle

Once, one Friday night game, in how many years ?

One Friday night game in another country, the same number Wales have had so far Rolling Eyes

by Luckless Pedestrian Tue May 16, 2017 5:54 pm

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Nope Im good continuing, especially as we just played you lot in Cardiff this year Whistle

Once, one Friday night game, in how many years ?

One Friday night game in another country, the same number Wales have had so far

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by majesticimperialman Tue May 16, 2017 5:55 pm

beshocked wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:I see we have been lumbered with playing France on a Friday night again in 2019.

When are the other home nations going to take their turn with Friday night games ?

I thought the Friday night games were a Welsh idea.

The RFU have made it clear that they don't want Friday night games.

I thought the idea of friday night games for Wales was to fill the stadium more than they would other wise do on a saturday. with maybe fans who come on a friday might make a week end of it, instead of one day.

by The Great Aukster Tue May 16, 2017 11:37 pm

Kerdiff hoteliers love the Friday night thing because the Trains go off so early that they leave loads of people stranded. Of course the Welsh fans are so plastered by that stage that they'll take anything and pre-pay their accommodation only to wake up in a half-filled skip the next morning.

by munkian Wed May 17, 2017 9:14 am

The Great Aukster wrote:Kerdiff hoteliers love the Friday night thing because the Trains go off so early that they leave loads of people stranded. Of course the Welsh fans are so plastered by that stage that they'll take anything and pre-pay their accommodation only to wake up in a half-filled skip the next morning.

Not stereotyping at all there no ?

by LordDowlais Wed May 17, 2017 9:53 am

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Nope Im good continuing, especially as we just played you lot in Cardiff this year Whistle

Once, one Friday night game, in how many years ?

One Friday night game in another country, the same number Wales have had so far

FFS, are you even being serious, you cannot be.

Wales have played away Friday nights against France for the last few years. Only last year on "super Saturday" we didn't.

I have to ask you, seriously, are you being a troll ?

by Scottrf Wed May 17, 2017 10:00 am

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Nope Im good continuing, especially as we just played you lot in Cardiff this year Whistle

Once, one Friday night game, in how many years ?

One Friday night game in another country, the same number Wales have had so far

FFS, are you even being serious, you cannot be.

Wales have played away Friday nights against France for the last few years. Only last year on "super Saturday" we didn't.

I have to ask you, seriously, are you being a troll ?

2016: Home
2015: Saturday
2014: Home
2013: Saturday
2012:Home
2011: Saturday
2010: Home

What's your definition of last few years?

by marty2086 Wed May 17, 2017 10:17 am

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Nope Im good continuing, especially as we just played you lot in Cardiff this year Whistle

Once, one Friday night game, in how many years ?

One Friday night game in another country, the same number Wales have had so far

FFS, are you even being serious, you cannot be.

Wales have played away Friday nights against France for the last few years. Only last year on "super Saturday" we didn't.

I have to ask you, seriously, are you being a troll ?

2009 is the only time that a Friday night game has been played outside of Cardiff, soooooooo you were saying? Rolling Eyes

by LordDowlais Wed May 17, 2017 10:30 am

Check your history, since Friday night games became a thing, and check to see how many times Wales have had a Friday night fixture. When you have done this, compare it to all the other home nations.

by No 7&1/2 Wed May 17, 2017 10:33 am

Wales had more they agreed to it. They no longer do but as far as I'm aware no away side gets a choice of when their games are. Love Friday night games on TV but I imagine if you're rich enough to be going every year it's tiresome. 1st world problems.

by marty2086 Wed May 17, 2017 10:35 am

You were complaining about having to play matches abroad on a Friday night now its just about Friday night games, make up your mind what the problem is or just quit bit*hing

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