The British & Irish Lions have no chance of beating the All Blacks, IMO

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I'm British but I still think that the Lions will lose 3-0 against the All Blacks. I think the All Blacks are the best team in the world by a long way. I think the All Blacks will comfortably win all three test matches.

Garces is bent. Polite is pedantic as heck but tolerable. He just choked after Garces talked him out of awarding the penalty. Don't recall seeing Read being offside but it's not the point.

I don't see how it can't be deliberate but plenty of people do based around owens dropping the ball straight away.

Read being offside comes to be a talking point when yu talk about this being a key decision in the draw rather than talking.about the decision and what if anything should happen next. If you're saying the pen or no pen was he defining thing you should.also consider that read wasn't onside to challenge for the ball initially and it should be a scrum on halfway.

ebop wrote:This Read nonsense is a red herring. I can point to incident after incident that could have been called back but wasn't throughout the series. Not the point.

The issue 'is'

Poite awarded a penalty

But then didn't

For no good reason

Well it wasnt a penalty because the ball didnt go forward from the catch. Is that not a good reason?

You're confusing the issues at hand 7.5

The issues are.....

1) Why did Poite award a penalty that is awarded all day every day but then didn't?

2) Did Poite make up a law about a player being about to 'handle the ball and then dropping it immediately after realising he was offside' on the spot after his bent AR whispered in his ear about the repercussions?

He awarded it as he thought it was knocked on then deliberately caught. He changed his mind as he was.convinced to review it then nought given owens dropped it immediately that it wasn't deliberate.

On your second point no its just interpretation.

Still think it went slightly forward collapse.

Even the TMO from Australia said it was a penalty

Garces is the rat

It's ok. A draw is a draw. Hard fought series.

But it'd be good to get some clarity and explanation of what happened in that decision. Which is all that was asked by NZR.

Joubert had the gonads to fess up after Scotland v Australia

Not Poite and Garces

And if it had been given as a pen we'd all be sat here saying that a decision was probably right on the knock on ( a lot of us anyway!) and that it should have been a scrum on half way.

Not easy being a ref a game though doesn't depend on 1 or 2 officiating decisions. He players have a load more influence.

What are you on about mate?

Obfuscating again, lol

He made the right decision initially 7.5

But then deliberately didn't

After a very long protracted process

Isn't that a concern?

In your opinion and my opinion. Plenty see it as not deliberate. Now I can see hansen s point on making it simpler but it does or would affect accidental offsides.in other aspects of the game. You also have the inconsistency in tmo. When checking the first thing he should have done was check the kickoff, a little like checking front front in cricket. Surely there needs to be set point s the tmo has to go through?

ebop

let it go.

Wales were shafted against France in the last 6N. We are not all over here keeping on about it.

Was that the game of eternity?

That was another shocker that deserved an enquiry

ebop wrote:Was that the game of eternity?

That was another shocker that deserved an enquiry

All Wayne Barnes games deserve an enquiry

LordDowlais wrote:ebop

let it go.

Wales were shafted against France in the last 6N. We are not all over here keeping on about it.

I think we were all just glad it ended, no matter how! 'Just end it so I can go home' were the calls in the pub!

Yep France sure did cheat. If it was Wales cheating France there would be murder on this forum.

Slimani has done similar 3 times now that I know of. Hard to know how to stop it while maintaining player safety around concussion.