Hurricanes vs Lions, 27th June 2017

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Hurricanes v British & Irish Lions
Venue: Westpac Stadium, Wellington
Date: Tuesday, 27 June.
Kick off: 08:35 BST
Live on: Sky Sports 1, from 8am

Lions



1. Joe Marler (ENG)
2. Rory Best (IRE) (Captain)
3. Dan Cole (ENG)
4. Courtney Lawes (ENG)
5. Iain Henderson (IRE)
6. James Haskell (ENG)
7. Justin Tipuric (WAL)
8. CJ Stander (IRE)
9. Greig Laidlaw (SCO)
10. Dan Biggar (WAL)
11. George North (WAL)
12. Robbie Henshaw (IRE)
13. Jonathan Joseph (ENG)
14. Tommy Seymour (SCO)
15. Jack Nowell    (ENG)

16. Kristian Dacey (WAL)
17. Allan Dell (SCO)
18. Tomas Francis (WAL)
19. Cory Hill (WAL)
20. George Kruis (ENG)
21. Gareth Davies (WAL)
22. Finn Russell (SCO)
23. Jared Payne (IRE)

Hurricanes



1. Ben May
2. Ricky Riccitelli
3. Jeffery Toomaga-Allen
4. Mark Abbott
5. Mark Lousi
6. Vaea Fifita
7. Callum Gibbins
8. Brad Shields (Captain)
9. Te Toiroa-Tahuriorangi
10. Otere Black
11. Julian Savea
12. Ngani Laumape
13. Vince Aso
14. Nehe Milner-Skudder
15. Jordie Barrett

16. Leni Apisai
17. Chris Eves
18. Mike Kainga
19. Janes Blackwell
20. Reed Prinsep
21. K Hauiti-Parapara
22. Wes Goosen
23. Cory Jane

compelling and rich wrote:hurricanes cant be happy be the trys they have given away, very soft.

They've struggled this season any time they've run up against a decent pack (Crusaders, Stormers, Chiefs)

Was pretty much all of the Lions team not offside from that kick from Biggar?

compelling and rich wrote:hurricanes cant be happy be the trys they have given away, very soft.

The scots boys play for those interceptions. " the more they practice the luckier they get"

TJ wrote:

compelling and rich wrote:hurricanes cant be happy be the trys they have given away, very soft.

The scots boys play for those interceptions.  " the more they practice the luckier they get"

Whereas the English boys seem to play to concede penalties

Biggar needs to shut up - shouting at the ref really won't help!

RDW_Scotland wrote:Biggar needs to shut up - shouting at the ref really won't help!

He used to be like that as a youngster when he first emerged on the scene. He got much better for a few seasons but has slipped back into old ways in the last few years. Not sure why, but not good. Needs a good slap.

that will keep him quiet for a bit

Biggar just got his bell rung, that doesn't look good

We should keep this tight in the pack now, Hurricanes backs are confidence players don't give them the bloody ball

RuggerRadge just spaffed everywhere.

Russell on! Please lets see the positives, and not the negatives such as the possibility of him getting injured, 'messing with his head', losing his confidence, etc.

All the best, Russell

Griff wrote:Russell on!  Please lets see the positives, and not the negatives such as the possibility of him getting injured, 'messing with his head', losing his confidence, etc.  

All the best, Russell

Uuurgh forward pass. Get him off.

still seem for too static in attack for me, how many times do we catch the ball stood still or the pass slightly poor and have to check their run

Canes trying too hard. Joys of having lots of fringe ABs trying to impress

Who is Russell on for?

robbo277 wrote:Who is Russell on for?

back off now, biggar had a hia

compelling and rich wrote:

robbo277 wrote:Who is Russell on for?

back off now, biggar had a hia

Yeah, just seen on Twitter. BBC lacking in salient information as ever...

Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

marty2086 wrote:

2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.

Start Kruis and Itoje, get either Hendo or Lawes on the bench, possibly both

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.

Yip Lawes coming off, sounds to me like Gatland made his mind up pre game

marty2086 wrote:

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.

Yip Lawes coming off, sounds to me like Gatland made his mind up pre game

Are you surprised?

Lawes has just come off for Kruis - being earmarked for a test place?

Hard to tell with Gatland though.

BamBam wrote:Start Kruis and Itoje, get either Hendo or Lawes on the bench, possibly both

Yep, agree.

6-2 bench split anyone

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.

Yip Lawes coming off, sounds to me like Gatland made his mind up pre game

Are you surprised?

More pissed off, he's gotten better with every game and is exactly what was missing on Saturday

Best too has a had a very good game, held that last scrum together too

robbo277 wrote:Lawes has just come off for Kruis - being earmarked for a test place?

Hard to tell with Gatland though.

It's easy to tell with Gats, he's the most predictable coach around.

If Kruis wasn't crucial to the lineout I'd drop him too

You don't think he's going to be bam?

BamBam wrote:6-2 bench split anyone

Do you go 3-1-2 or 3-2-1?

With Lawes and Henderson you can cover 4/5/6 with a back row covering 6/7/8.

Or you could have Lawes or Henderson covering 4/5 in the main, and two back rows. Potentially Tipuric and Stander? How have they gone today?

And then how do you work the backs? Assuming the starting backs are unchanged, you'd have to have Webb and Sexton? It would leave you a bit exposed if you get a back three injury. So you could consider starting JJ (how's he gone today?) or Daly in the centres, but the centres weren't too bad in the first test.

You could, if you started Stander, O'Brien and Faletau, have 5 forwards with no specialist back row on the bench, as you could have Lawes and Henderson as your locks covering 6, and Stander able to move across. It would be a risk, but you could have a fresh tight 5 for the end period of the game, plus Stander's carrying from the get-go.

I'd still start him just because the lineout was our only success last weekend, and he's the key to it

Gets him another chance for me, partnered with Itoje and POM I reckon we'd be a greater threat on their ball. Lawes/Hendo for impact

marty2086 wrote:

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.

Yip Lawes coming off, sounds to me like Gatland made his mind up pre game

Are you surprised?

More pissed off, he's gotten better with every game and is exactly what was missing on Saturday

Best too has a had a very good game, held that last scrum together too

Best has had good tour, there was a couple of missed line outs early on but he's been good overall.

Gatland had more or less made up his mind pre-tour who was in frame for the tests and who would play mid-week.

Given the depth available the bench last week was pathetic and its not co-incidence the Lions fell away in the last 3rd of the game.

AWJ, Halfpenny and Warburton shouldn't even be on tour, let alone in the test 23.

Reckon we'll see any subs?

I'd agree bam. But if I was doing that I'd probably put jones on the bench today.

Think I'd prefer to see Lawes start with Itoje and Henderson come on for the last half hour, he'd certainly help to combat the All Blacks usuall late surge

Griff wrote:

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:

Griff wrote:

Kingshu wrote:

The 42 Player ratings had Bigger as
Dan Biggar: 6
Overall, a decent night for the Welshman despite the odd poor pass and lucky escape from the sin-bin for a high shot. Made his mark on Stephen Donald and kicked his goals with no fuss.

Where is this from Kingshu?  I looked up Biggar's player ratings yesterday out of interest and could find nothing less than 7 (even NZ media gave him a 7.5)!

Presume it was 42.ie

Thanks Pete.  I hadn't heard of that site before.  Cheers.

It is indeed the42.ie
http://www.the42.ie/lions-chiefs-ratings-3453243-Jun2017/

It is good, I think you may may find it a little to much Irish focused, but the analysis by Murray is very good, and lets you see the game in a different light.

BamBam wrote:I'd still start him just because the lineout was our only success last weekend, and he's the key to it

Gets him another chance for me, partnered with Itoje and POM I reckon we'd be a greater threat on their ball. Lawes/Hendo for impact

I agree, Kruis I think is a good counter jumper along with POM

rodders wrote:

robbo277 wrote:Lawes has just come off for Kruis - being earmarked for a test place?

Hard to tell with Gatland though.

It's easy to tell with Gats, he's the most predictable coach around.

He started Jones over Itoje despite leaving Jones' involvement against the Chiefs.

He started Daly and Williams with Halfpenny on the bench and left Joseph out despite the latter two not being involved against the Chiefs.

I don't think he'd mind giving Henderson 80 minutes here and using him again on Saturday - whether it's the correct decision or not.

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

rodders wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

Needs to be taken off or he'll have nothing left in the tank come Saturday

Don't worry he plays for the wrong union, he'll have Saturday off.

Yip Lawes coming off, sounds to me like Gatland made his mind up pre game

Are you surprised?

More pissed off, he's gotten better with every game and is exactly what was missing on Saturday

Best too has a had a very good game, held that last scrum together too

Best has had good tour, there was a couple of missed line outs early on but he's been good overall.

Gatland had more or less made up his mind pre-tour who was in frame for the tests and who would play mid-week.

Given the depth available the bench last week was pathetic and its not co-incidence the Lions fell away in the last 3rd of the game.

AWJ, Halfpenny and Warburton shouldn't even be on tour, let alone in the test 23.

Halfpenny on the bench at the weekend was truly baffling, he's not a player to provide a spark in a game or to help see things out. Agree on him and AWJ, Warburton though was good enough in the 6Ns to get in, he's a big game player which must infuriate Cardiff fans

2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

he has had a superb game, but i also thought lawes had a great game while on. right up there in tackles and carries

Henderson has been great since the first game, Lawes has been great the whole season.

robbo277 wrote:

BamBam wrote:6-2 bench split anyone

Do you go 3-1-2 or 3-2-1?

With Lawes and Henderson you can cover 4/5/6 with a back row covering 6/7/8.

Or you could have Lawes or Henderson covering 4/5 in the main, and two back rows. Potentially Tipuric and Stander? How have they gone today?

And then how do you work the backs? Assuming the starting backs are unchanged, you'd have to have Webb and Sexton? It would leave you a bit exposed if you get a back three injury. So you could consider starting JJ (how's he gone today?) or Daly in the centres, but the centres weren't too bad in the first test.

You could, if you started Stander, O'Brien and Faletau, have 5 forwards with no specialist back row on the bench, as you could have Lawes and Henderson as your locks covering 6, and Stander able to move across. It would be a risk, but you could have a fresh tight 5 for the end period of the game, plus Stander's carrying from the get-go.

I was saying 6-2 so we can get both Lawes and Henderson on the bench .. agree it'll be tricky in the backs, although Daly arguably covers 13, wing and FB if he starts, Farrell/Davies cover 12, Teo plays both centre spots so we could get away with Webb/Sexton on the bench if the starters are unchanged

Well well well, what do we have here

It's like BOD all over again

Gotta be a red card right

What do you reckon Lions supporters?

Spot the troll

Just a yellow card, is that all?

Tut tut

compelling and rich wrote:

2ndtimeround wrote:Henderson has to be the most likely to force his way into the test team at the mo.

he has had a superb game, but i also thought lawes had a great game while on. right up there in tackles and carries

bang on cue henderson gets binned

ebop wrote:Well well well, what do we have here

It's like BOD all over again

Gotta be a red card right

What do you reckon Lions supporters?

Disgraceful - shoulda been a red card!!!!

Surely the TMO shouldn't be able to have that much influence. Ref had made up his mind and TMO basically told him he thinks he is wrong. Who has overall control in this game?!?!

Yellow's about right under the current rules. Through the horizontal, lands on shoulder not head.

And Joseph had hold of the other leg so any citing would let them both off under the Dan Evans precedent