Edinburgh vs Zebre 06/10/18

by EWT Spoons Wed 04 Oct 2017, 10:35 am

Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre
KO: 19.35
Location: Myerside
TV Doesn't appear so

Stats and stuff
Teams have played each other, some Edinburgh have won, some Zebre have won (this isn't my best work)

Form
Mixed, for both teams

Interesting side issue:
Michael Bradley being back in Edinburgh.....I use the term interesting loosely.

by EWT Spoons Wed 04 Oct 2017, 10:48 am

There are rumours that Dell is fit....or at least not injured, and could be benching for this game.

I wouldn't be shocked if we saw a very similar Edinburgh team from last week.

RC has been praising JJ in the press so I expect we'll see a tovey, burleigh & JJ 10, 12 & 13.

It pains me to say it but Bryce (G) was actually half decent last weekend, or at least better than Kinghorn, who made that random cross field kick to set up Leinster. I am sure there was a reason for that, and watching on my phone wasn’t really ideal viewing conditions, but I’m not sure why he made that particular choice. Kinghorn in attack is very good, but when he’s in his 22 and the pressure is on, over the last couple of weeks he’s been a liability. So we might see Bryce start ahead of him.

by VinceWLB Wed 04 Oct 2017, 10:54 am

Michael Bradley has totally transformed that Zebre side, they play an almost super rugby style of rugby, they remind me of Connacht of 2 seasons ago.. I can't believe they only started training in august.

Zebre-Ulster is on youtube.

by EWT Spoons Wed 04 Oct 2017, 10:59 am

that's how he played at Edinburgh as well. It's great to watch but defence is very much a non event, which contributed to Edinburgh's downfall under him.

by **RDW** Wed 04 Oct 2017, 11:01 am

To be fair to Kinghorn it wasn't a cross field kick it was an attempted clearance under pressure that he badly sliced, but it certainly didn't show composure!

by VinceWLB Wed 04 Oct 2017, 11:04 am

EWT Spoons wrote:that's how he played at Edinburgh as well. It's great to watch but defence is very much a non event, which contributed to Edinburgh's downfall under him.

I actually think he did great getting Edinburgh to the semi of the HCup, the squad he had was so small and lacked depth he had to prioritise one competition over the other.. Solomons, with a better squad fared far worse with his outdated damage limitation brand of rugby.

by **RDW** Thu 05 Oct 2017, 8:56 am

The HK run was fantastic but our league form was appalling. We were then truly awful in the HK in the next season, where we were nilled in our first two games. I can't remember exactly when he was sacked but we were seriously bad at the time.

by VinceWLB Thu 05 Oct 2017, 10:57 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:The HK run was fantastic but our league form was appalling. We were then truly awful in the HK in the next season, where we were nilled in our first two games. I can't remember exactly when he was sacked but we were seriously bad at the time.

This was the time when frekin Jack Gilding was 2nd choice tighthead and Lozada the 3rd best lock. Bradley basically had no choice but to prioritise one competition over the other. Not sure what happened next season, but some players got complacent..

by **RDW** Thu 05 Oct 2017, 10:59 am

Yeah Matt Scott and Denton have spoken about that - their first season as pros led to a HK semi and they openly admit they thought they were the dog's Love sacks and pro rugby was easy. They had a rude awakening the next season!

by **RDW** Thu 05 Oct 2017, 12:19 pm

Tovey, JJ and Fife keep their places. Good to see Dell back.

Head Coach Richard Cockerill has named his Edinburgh side for tomorrow night’s Guinness PRO14 clash against Zebre at Myreside (Friday 6 October, kick-off 7.35pm).

The team selection includes five changes to the starting XV which narrowly lost to Leinster at the RDS Arena last weekend. The only alteration to an otherwise unchanged back-three sees Blair Kinghorn return to his familiar position of full-back after featuring off the bench in last weekend’s game in Dublin.

In the midfield, James Johnstone continues at outside-centre following his impressive outing last weekend. The Scotland Sevens star is partnered by the experienced Phil Burleigh. Jason Tovey continues at stand-off after scoring all 13 of Edinburgh’s points in last weekend’s defeat. At scrum-half, Sam Hidalgo-Clyne drops to the bench and is replaced by Nathan Fowles.

In the front-row, experienced tight-head WP Nel packs down alongside Stuart McInally and Darryl Marfo. Ben Toolis returns to first team action after being rested last weekend and will once again partner Grant Gilchrist in the boiler room. In the back-row, club captain Magnus Bradbury comes back in at blindside flanker after missing the trip to Dublin. The 22-year-old is joined by the abrasive duo of Jamie Ritchie and Cornell du Preez.

On his team selection, Richard Cockerill said: “We’ve chosen a side which we feel can compete against Zebre in every facet of the game. There are a number of guys who impressed last weekend against Leinster and we hope they can continue to help the side makes positive strides.”

Edinburgh team to face Zebre at Myreside in the Guinness PRO14 on Friday 6 October (kick-off 7.35pm)

15 Blair Kinghorn (47)

14 Dougie Fife (87)

13 James Johnstone (4)

12 Phil Burleigh (62)

11 Tom Brown (109)

10 Jason Tovey (27)

9 Nathan Fowles (37)

1 Darryl Marfo (5)

2 Stuart McInally (106)

3 WP Nel (107)

4 Ben Toolis (73)

5 Grant Gilchrist (102)

6 Magnus Bradbury CAPTAIN (35)

7 Jamie Ritchie (34)

8 Cornell du Preez (85)

Replacements

16 Ross Ford (179)

17 Allan Dell (39)

18 Simon Berghan (36)

19 Anton Bresler (58)

20 Luke Crosbie *

21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (87)

22 Duncan Weir (25)

23 Robbie Fruean (4)

by **BigGee** Thu 05 Oct 2017, 12:22 pm

Edinburgh team to face Zebre at Myreside in the Guinness PRO14 on Friday 6 October (kick-off 7.35pm)

15 Blair Kinghorn (47)

14 Dougie Fife (87)

13 James Johnstone (4)

12 Phil Burleigh (62)

11 Tom Brown (109)

10 Jason Tovey (27)

9 Nathan Fowles (37)

1 Darryl Marfo (5)

2 Stuart McInally (106)

3 WP Nel (107)

4 Ben Toolis (73)

5 Grant Gilchrist (102)

6 Magnus Bradbury CAPTAIN (35)

7 Jamie Ritchie (34)

8 Cornell du Preez (85)

Replacements

16 Ross Ford (179)

17 Allan Dell (39)

18 Simon Berghan (36)

19 Anton Bresler (58)

20 Luke Crosbie *

21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (87)

22 Duncan Weir (25)

23 Robbie Fruean (4)

Decent team out from Edinburgh as well as clearly need to win this one.

Dell on the bench, which is good for Edinburgh and Scotland.

The two sevens boys get another run, which they deserve, as does Tom Brown and Luke Cosbie, who looked very good pre-season, gets a debut off the bench.

Fruean benching again well. You do wonder if he is going to be seen primarily as an impact player who does not really have the legs for a full 80 these days.

by EWT Spoons Thu 05 Oct 2017, 1:18 pm

I wonder if Dell is only being called up onto the bench because we have such a shortage at LH, wouldn't be totally surprised if Marfo played the full 80.

Still don't think Bradbury is all that effective at 6, wonder if there is an issue with playing CDP and Bradbury in the same team as both are more naturally no.8s and not overly effective at 6. Also not sure I can remember when Ritchie last played 7, he's been great at 6 this year though.

But other than that, looks a good team.

by tigertattie Fri 06 Oct 2017, 12:59 pm

someone care to offer up a prediction for this game?

by EWT Spoons Fri 06 Oct 2017, 1:23 pm

31-10

based on nothing whatsoever

by **RDW** Fri 06 Oct 2017, 1:40 pm

It should be an Edinburgh win - and a comfortable one at that - but God knows when it comes to Edinburgh.

My prediction:

Tight opening exchanges
Zebre look the better team, and we start to get worried
We get a try to settle the nerves
We're then crap for a good 20 minute period where Zebre take the lead
We manage to remember how to play rugby again and claw back the lead
A late Zebre yellow gives us the chance to get 4 tries but we mess it up

Edinburgh 22 - Zebre 16

by R!skysports Fri 06 Oct 2017, 2:39 pm

tigertattie wrote:someone care to offer up a prediction for this game?

Edinburgh will be a disappointment

Edinburgh fans will wish they never learnt to use soap

by EWT Spoons Fri 06 Oct 2017, 10:16 pm

That was terrible. Lot of injuries, Johnstone in particular looked horrible, shocking officials and Edinburgh up to our usual standard

by **BigGee** Fri 06 Oct 2017, 11:45 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:That was terrible. Lot of injuries, Johnstone in particular looked horrible, shocking officials and Edinburgh up to our usual standard

At least they won!

by EWT Spoons Sat 07 Oct 2017, 9:27 am

To be honest I think the better team lost last night. Zebre missed a conversion from in front of the posts and a penalty, had they scored either they'd have won. They were probably the better team through out.

Losing Kinghorn early doors to injury really messed things up for us as we had to bring Weir on and move tovey to 15, which ruined any possibility of burleigh & JJ getting decent ball.

I've said it before but CDP & Bradbury are too similar, they're trying to do the same thing and none of that is at the breakdown, we lost a lot of turnovers last night.

Mcinally took his try well with some impressive gas.

Johnstone's injury looked really bad, he was convulsing on the pitch.

Zebre played quickly and efficiently, moving the ball around and breaking the line repeatedly, our defence did pretty well after the first phase to keep their scoring down as they could easily have racked up a good few tries. They're going to cause quite a few teams problems this year.

The officials were awful, apparently totally unaware of what offside is, and Zebre rightly exploited that. There was a number of baffling decisions made, Mitrea and the team he had are not up to this level.

From an Edinburgh point of view, very few positives to take from last night other than scraping the win. We also got quite a few injuries which hopefully aren't serious.

by **RDW** Sat 07 Oct 2017, 9:32 am

Who else was injured?

by **RDW** Sat 07 Oct 2017, 9:44 am

Cockers not happy with the ref (again!) And specifically mentioned the lack of refereeing an offside line. You wonder why mitrea reffed an Italian team when there were neutral refs doing other games last night.

There has to be s captaincy question though - was Bradbury making the ref aware of it and trying to influence him to pay attention?

by VinceWLB Sat 07 Oct 2017, 9:52 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Cockers not happy with the ref (again!) And specifically mentioned the lack of refereeing an offside line. You wonder why mitrea reffed an Italian team when there were neutral refs doing other games last night.

There has to be s captaincy question though - was Bradbury making the ref aware of it and trying to influence him to pay attention?

Well, maybe it was the scrumhalf who was too slow getting the ball out, not the opposition being offside.. I think it's silly to blame the offside line not being reffed as it would be the same for both teams.
Not a fan of these weak excuses. That's almost Solomonesque.

by EWT Spoons Sat 07 Oct 2017, 11:39 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Who else was injured?

Johnstone, Kinghorn, Fife took a heavy knock, ritchie was clattered by mcinally landing on him. Last two stayed on but they were down for a while when it happened. Wouldn't be surprised if they're not played next week

by EWT Spoons Sat 07 Oct 2017, 11:50 am

VinceWLB wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Cockers not happy with the ref (again!) And specifically mentioned the lack of refereeing an offside line. You wonder why mitrea reffed an Italian team when there were neutral refs doing other games last night.

There has to be s captaincy question though - was Bradbury making the ref aware of it and trying to influence him to pay attention?

Well, maybe it was the scrumhalf who was too slow getting the ball out, not the opposition being offside.. I think it's silly to blame the offside line not being reffed as it would be the same for both teams.
Not a fan of these weak excuses. That's almost Solomonesque.

Don't know if you were at the game, but it was a joke. They were constantly offside, it wasn't even subtle. It was brought to the attention of the assistant ref by a member of the crowd and he just turned and smiled at the person making the comment whilst the zebre player continued to stand off side. There were forward passes that were blatant, again right next to the assistants and nothing, lineouts went sideways and again nothing. I'm not saying the officials were biased or anything like that, I just think they're not up to it.

No blame to the ref for Edinburgh being poor we should have adapted but it was a terrible refereeing performance. Oh and it wasn't the same for both teams as we didn't try to infringe by being offside, which was a mistake as we should have at least tested the 'same for both sides' theory.

Bradbury did speak to the ref for quite a while whilst Johnstone was getting treatment, but by that time it was late into the 2nd half and he really didn't seem interested.

by R!skysports Mon 09 Oct 2017, 9:24 am

Congratulations on the win.

hope it is a chance to find the turning point and get a few more wins

by **RDW** Mon 09 Oct 2017, 9:26 am

Watching the highlights it sounded like a reasonable crowd - the official turnout was 3600 odd but it looked busier and noisier than the previous games. Just a shame they didn't have much of a spectacle to watch!

by EWT Spoons Mon 09 Oct 2017, 11:23 am

Not sure about nosier, but there seemed to be a fair few people there on Fri and it did seem ‘busier’ than the previous home match. Not sure what brought the numbers out on Fri, unless fans were really keen to see Bradley again. Or the old ‘more than a game’ or whatever nonsense it was actually made an impression on people when that was a thing.

by EWT Spoons Mon 09 Oct 2017, 2:15 pm

I didn’t go to the bar post match, but talking to a few mates who did, said Johnstone was there chatting to fans. Which is massively impressive considering the blow he took to the head, convulsions and throwing up on the pitch. Unsurprisingly he can’t remember anything about the hit.

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