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Post by Fluxy Mon 18 Dec 2017, 5:20 pm

Home teams to be named by 23:59 hours on Tuesday
Away teams to be named by 23:59 hours on Wednesday
Tactics by 23:59 hours on Thursday 

Predictions to be PM’d to Fluxy by 23:59 hours on Sunday





Harlequins vs Wasps
Murrayfield Stadium
Thick Cloud, 11 degrees, 19mph Westerly Winds


Harlequins
Manager – CJ

01. Joe Marler09. Danny Care
02. Dane Coles 10. Marcus Smith (k)
03. Kyle Sinckler
04. James Horwill (c)11. Tim Visser
05. Johnny Gray12. Jamie Roberts
06. Chris Robshaw13. Joe Marchant
07. Jack Clifford 14. Marlon Yarde
08. Renaldo Bothma15. Mike Brown
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16. Mark Lambert 17. Dave Ward 18. Will Collier 19. George Merrick  20. Matt Luamanu 21. Charlie Mulchrone 22. Demetri Catrakalis  23. Francis Saili 

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Wasps
Manager - Pullthestrings

01. Matt Mullan09. Joe Simpson
02. Ashley Johnson10. Jimmy Gopperth (k)
03. Jake Cooper-Wooley
04. Joe Launchbury11. Elliott Daly
05. Scott Barrett12. Kyle Eastmond
06. James Haskell13. Juan De Jongh
07. Sean O'Brien14. Christian Wade
08. Nathan Hughes15. Willie Le Roux
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16. Tom Cruse, 17. Simon McIntyre, 18. Paul Doran-Jones, 19. James Gaskell, 20. Thomas Young, 21. Dan Robson, 22. Danny Cipriani, 23. Gabiriele Lovobalavu


Tactics
Attack:
- Mix up our lines of attack, sometimes with two lines with forwards as options
- Loose forwards to offer extra pair of hands in the backline when required
- Mix up forward runners off 9 and 10 to give go forward and tie in defence. When space opens up, go wide and utilise pace of back three.
Defence:
- Quick line speed, getting up to the 10 and putting pressure on.
- Only step out of the line for big hit opportunities.
Breakdown:
- Be disciplined at the breakdown and do not give away penalties in our half
- Compete for the turnover if it's on, even if it's only too slow down the ball
- If ruck is lost, don't compete and fan out in defence
Territory:
- Use box kicks from 9 and nudges from 10 out of hand to pin them back.
- Play rugby in their half and make them attack from deep
- Full back to marshall the back 3 and make sure our positioning is spot on for kick returns


Northampton Saints vs ASM Clermont Auvergne
Principality Stadium
Thick Cloud, 11 degrees, 12mph Westerly Winds


Northampton Saints
Manager: StNick

01. Campese Ma'afu09. Nic Groom
02. Mikey Haywood10. Steven Myler(k)
03. Paul Hill
04. David Ribbans11. Tom Collins
05. Christian Day12. Piers Francis
06. Jamie Gibson13. Luther Burrell
07. Lewis Ludlam14. Ken Pisi
08. Teimana Harrison15. Ben Foden
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16. Dylan Hartley, 17. Jamal Ford-Robinson, 18. Kieran Brookes, 19. Api Ratuniyarawa, 20. Tom Wood, 21. Cobus Reinach, 22. Alex Goode, 23. George North


ASM Clermont Auvgerne

01. Etienne Falgoux09. Morgan Parra
02. Benjamin Kayser10. Isaia Toeava
03. Rabah Slimani
04. Flip van der Merwe11. Alivereti Raka
05. Sébastien Vahaamahina12. Wesley Fofana
06. Peceli Yato13. Damian Penaud
07. Alexandre Lapandry14. David Strettle
08. Fritz Lee15. Scott Spedding
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Replacements: 16 John Ulugia, 17 Raphael Chaume, 18 Aaron Jarvis, 19 Paul Jedrasiak, 20 Viktor Kolelishvili, 21 Charly Trussardi, 22 Peter Betham, 23 Nick Abendanon


Ospreys vs Saracens
Stade Jean-Bouin

Thick Cloud, 9 degrees, 6mph Westerly Winds


Ospreys

01. Nicky Smith09. Thomas Habberfield
02. Scott Baldwin10. Sam Davies
03. Dmitri Arhip
04. Bradley Davies11. Jeff Hasler
05. Alun Wyn-Jones12. Owen Watkin
06. Dan Lydiate13. Keiron Fonotia
07. Justin Tipuric14. Ben John
08. Olly Cracknell15. Dan Evans
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Replacements: 16 Scott Otten, 17 Paul James, 18 Ma'afu Fia, 19 Adam Beard, 20 Rob McCusker, 21 Rhys Webb, 22 Dan Biggar, 23 Ashley Beck


Saracens
Manager – Pooly

01. Richard Barrington09. Ben Spencer
02. Christopher Tolofua10. Alex Lozowski
03. Juan Figallo
04. Will Skelton11. Chris Wyles
05. Nick Isiekwe12. Brad Barritt
06. Michael Rhodes13. Nick Tompkins
07. Callum Clark14. Nathan Earle
08. Jackson Wray15. Harry Maillinder
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16. Schalk Brits 17. Hayden Thompson-Stringer 18. Titi Lamositele 19. Dominic Day  20. Joe Conlon 21. Henry Taylor 22. Duncan Taylor 23. Rotimi Segun
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Exeter Chiefs vs Montpellier
Kingspan Stadium
Thick Cloud, 12 degrees, 15mph South Westerly Winds


Exeter Chiefs Chief
Manager – Fluxy

01. Alec Hepburn
09. Conor Murray
02. Luke Cowan-Dickie
10. Gareth Steenson (k)
03. Tomas Francis

04. Mitch Lees
11. Jack Nowell
05. Sam Whitelock
12. Henry Slade
06. Don Armand (c) 
13. Ian Whitten
07. Matt Kvesic
14. James Short
08. Thomas Waldrom
15. Lachlan Turner

16. Jack Yeandle, 17. Ben Moon, 18. Harry Williams, 19. Jonny Hill, 20. Sam Simmonds, 21. Nic White 22. Anthony Belleau, 23. Michele Campagnaro



Play in the standard Chiefs style of play, high-intensity game in both defence and attack, with dynamic carrying and rucking at the fore. We want to control possession and go through the phases. 



- Use the set piece as a weapon to launch attacks, especially the maul, with the likes of Waldrom or Armand attached at the back. 

- Pick & goes - in twos and threes around the fringes, to starve Irish of possession and a great weapon of the Chiefs over the years. 

- Half-backs to dictate the game and play for territory. Steenson to also kick available points when on offer - to keep the scoreboard ticking over. 

- Slade to act as the second playmaker and look to spread the ball wide to back three when the space is available to attack, or to take pressure off Steenson on clearances.



Montpellier

01. Grégory Fichten09. Benoit Paillaugue
02. Romain Ruffenach10. Aaron Cruden
03. Johannes Jonker
04. Nicholaas van Rensburg11. Nemani Nadolo
05. Konstantine Mikautadze12. Jan Serfontein
06. Kelian Galletier13. Francois Steyn
07. Julian Bardy14. Gabriel N'gandebe
08. Louis Picamoles15. Jesse Mogg
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Replacements: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 Mikheil Nariashvili, 18 Mohamed Haouas, 19 Julien Delannoy, 20 Fulgence Ouedraogo, 21 Enzo Sanga, 22 Henry Immelman, 23 Timoci Nagusa


Castres Olympique vs Leicester Tigers
Liberty Stadium
Light Rain, 11 degrees, 13mph Westerly Winds


Castres Olympique

01. Tudor Stroe09. Rory Kockott
02. Marc-Antoine Rallier10. Yohan Le Bourhis
03. Yohan Montes
04. Christophe Samson11. Kylian Jaminet
05. Loic Jacquet12. Florian Vialelle
06. Yannick Caballero13. Robert Ebersohn
07. Steve Mafi14. Afusipa Taumoepeau
08. Alex Tulou15. Julien Caminati
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Replacements: 16 Kevin Firmin, 17 Mihaita Lazar, 18 Eric Sione, 19 Alexandre Bias, 20 Rodrigo Capo Ortega, 21 Yohan Domenech, 22 Benjamin Urdapilleta, 23 Thomas Combezou


Leicester TigersEuropean Champions Cup 4

01. Ellis Genge09. Ben Youngs
02. Tom Youngs10. George Ford
03. Dan Cole
04. Dominic Barrow11. Jonny May
05. Graham Kitchener12. Matt Toomua
06. Brad Shields13. Manu Tuilagi
07. Brendon O'Connor14. Adam Thompstone
08. CJ Stander15. Telusa Veainu
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Subs: 16. Harry Thacker 17. Logovi'i Mulipola 18. Pat Cilliers 19. Harry Wells 20. Mike Williams 21. Sam Harrison 22. Joe Ford 23. Matt Tait
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Tactics:
- Solid set piece to set tone and provide solid platform
- Look to play high intensity rugby with a drift defence, not allowing for space for the opp
- Attack the breakdown when it's on with numerous option
- Physical pack to win collision and numerous carrying options to get us over the gain line
- Keep the intensity up with a strong bench
- Get Telusa Veainu into the game whenever possible, he's a match winner in these conditions




Bath Rugby vs Scarlets
Stade Marcel Michelin
Thick Cloud, 8 degrees, 7mph Westerly Winds


Bath Rugby
Manager – Driver

01. Beno Obano09. Chris Cook
02. Nathan Charles10. Rhys Priestland (k)
03. Henry Thomas
04. Dave Attwood11. Aled Brew
05. Luke Charteris12. Max Clark
06. James Phillips13. Jonathan Joseph
07. Sam Underhill14. Anthony Watson
08. Zac Mercer15. Tom Homer
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16. Tom Dunn, 17. Nathan Catt, 18. Anthony Perenise, 19. Charlie Ewels, 20. Francois Louw, 21.Kahn Fotuali, 22. Freddie Burns, 23. Robbie Henshaw


Scarlets

01. Rob Evans09. Gareth Davies
02. Ken Owens (c)10. Dan Jones
03. Werner Kruger
04. Steven Cummins11. Steff Evans
05. David Bulbring12. Scott Williams
06. Tadhg Beirne13. Paul Asquith
07. James Davies14. Johnny McNicholl
08. Will Boyde15. Leigh Halfpenny
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Replacements: 16 Ryan Elias, 17 Wyn Jones, 18 Simon Gardiner, 19 Joshua Helps, 20 Joshua Macleod, 21 Aled Davies, 22 Hadleigh Parkes, 23 Steff Hughes


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Post by Fluxy Mon 18 Dec 2017, 10:07 pm

Exeter Chiefs Chief
Manager – Fluxy

01. Alec Hepburn09. Conor Murray
02. Luke Cowan-Dickie10. Gareth Steenson (k)
03. Tomas Francis
04. Mitch Lees11. Jack Nowell
05. Sam Whitelock12. Henry Slade
06. Don Armand (c) 13. Ian Whitten
07. Matt Kvesic14. James Short
08. Thomas Waldrom15. Lachlan Turner

16. Jack Yeandle, 17. Ben Moon, 18. Harry Williams, 19. Jonny Hill, 20. Sam Simmonds, 21. Nic White 22. Anthony Belleau, 23. Michele Campagnaro

Play in the standard Chiefs style of play, high-intensity game in both defence and attack, with dynamic carrying and rucking at the fore. We want to control possession and go through the phases. 

- Use the set piece as a weapon to launch attacks, especially the maul, with the likes of Waldrom or Armand attached at the back. 
- Pick & goes - in twos and threes around the fringes, to starve Irish of possession and a great weapon of the Chiefs over the years. 
- Half-backs to dictate the game and play for territory. Steenson to also kick available points when on offer - to keep the scoreboard ticking over. 
- Slade to act as the second playmaker and look to spread the ball wide to back three when the space is available to attack, or to take pressure off Steenson on clearances.


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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue 19 Dec 2017, 8:56 am

Harlequins
Manager – CJ

01. Joe Marler09. Danny Care
02. Dane Coles 10. Marcus Smith (k)
03. Kyle Sinckler
04. James Horwill (c)11. Tim Visser
05. Johnny Gray12. Jamie Roberts
06. Chris Robshaw13. Joe Marchant
07. Jack Clifford 14. Marlon Yarde
08. Renaldo Bothma15. Mike Brown
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16. Mark Lambert 17. Dave Ward 18. Will Collier 19. George Merrick  20. Matt Luamanu 21. Charlie Mulchrone 22. Demetri Catrakalis  23. Francis Saili 


TACTICS
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Post by stnick88 Tue 19 Dec 2017, 10:25 am

Northampton Saints
Manager: StNick


01. Campese Ma'afu09. Nic Groom
02. Mikey Haywood10. Steven Myler(k)
03. Paul Hill
04. David Ribbans11. Tom Collins
05. Christian Day12. Piers Francis
06. Jamie Gibson13. Luther Burrell
07. Lewis Ludlam14. Ken Pisi
08. Teimana Harrison15. Ben Foden
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16. Dylan Hartley, 17. Jamal Ford-Robinson, 18. Kieran Brookes, 19. Api Ratuniyarawa, 20. Tom Wood, 21. Cobus Reinach, 22. Alex Goode, 23. George North




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Post by Driver Tue 19 Dec 2017, 3:30 pm

1.Ben Obana
2.Nathan Charles
3.Henry Thomas
4.Dave Attwood
5.Luke Charteris
6.James Phillips
7.Sam Underhill
8.Zac Mercer

9.Chris Cook
10.Rhys Priestland
11.Aled Brew
12.Max Clark
13.Johnathan Joseph
14.Anthony Watson
15.Tom Homer

Tom Dunn , Nathan Catt , Anthony Perenise , Charlie Ewels , Francois Louw , Kahn , Freddie Burns , Robbie Henshaw.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 20 Dec 2017, 4:21 pm

Leicester TigersEuropean Champions Cup 4

01. Ellis Genge09. Ben Youngs
02. Tom Youngs10. George Ford
03. Dan Cole
04. Dominic Barrow11. Jonny May
05. Graham Kitchener12. Matt Toomua
06. Brad Shields13. Manu Tuilagi
07. Brendon O'Connor14. Adam Thompstone
08. CJ Stander15. Telusa Veainu
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Subs: 16. Harry Thacker 17. Logovi'i Mulipola 18. Pat Cilliers 19. Harry Wells 20. Mike Williams 21. Sam Harrison 22. Joe Ford 23. Matt Tait
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Tactics:
- Solid set piece to set tone and provide solid platform
- Look to play high intensity rugby with a drift defence, not allowing for space for the opp
- Attack the breakdown when it's on with numerous option
- Physical pack to win collision and numerous carrying options to get us over the gain line
- Keep the intensity up with a strong bench
- Get Telusa Veainu into the game whenever possible, he's a match winner in these conditions

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 20 Dec 2017, 4:32 pm

Saracens
Manager – Pooly

01. Richard Barrington09. Ben Spencer
02. Christopher Tolofua10. Alex Lozowski
03. Juan Figallo
04. Will Skelton11. Chris Wyles
05. Nick Isiekwe12. Brad Barritt
06. Michael Rhodes13. Nick Tompkins
07. Callum Clark14. Nathan Earle
08. Jackson Wray15. Harry Maillinder
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16. Schalk Brits 17. Hayden Thompson-Stringer 18. Titi Lamositele 19. Dominic Day  20. Joe Conlon 21. Henry Taylor 22. Duncan Taylor 23. Rotimi Segun
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Post by pullthestrings Thu 21 Dec 2017, 12:05 pm

Wasps
Manager - Pullthestrings

01. Matt Mullan09. Joe Simpson
02. Ashley Johnson10. Jimmy Gopperth (k)
03. Jake Cooper-Wooley
04. Joe Launchbury11. Elliott Daly
05. Scott Barrett12. Kyle Eastmond
06. James Haskell13. Juan De Jongh
07. Sean O'Brien14. Christian Wade
08. Nathan Hughes15. Willie Le Roux
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16. Tom Cruse, 17. Simon McIntyre, 18. Paul Doran-Jones, 19. James Gaskell, 20. Thomas Young, 21. Dan Robson, 22. Danny Cipriani, 23. Gabiriele Lovobalavu


Tactics
Attack:
- Mix up our lines of attack, sometimes with two lines with forwards as options
- Loose forwards to offer extra pair of hands in the backline when required
- Mix up forward runners off 9 and 10 to give go forward and tie in defence. When space opens up, go wide and utilise pace of back three.
Defence:
- Quick line speed, getting up to the 10 and putting pressure on.
- Only step out of the line for big hit opportunities.
Breakdown:
- Be disciplined at the breakdown and do not give away penalties in our half
- Compete for the turnover if it's on, even if it's only too slow down the ball
- If ruck is lost, don't compete and fan out in defence
Territory:
- Use box kicks from 9 and nudges from 10 out of hand to pin them back.
- Play rugby in their half and make them attack from deep
- Full back to marshall the back 3 and make sure our positioning is spot on for kick returns

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Post by Fluxy Fri 22 Dec 2017, 3:36 pm

Predictions Open - to me please

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Post by Fluxy Fri 29 Dec 2017, 4:29 pm

European Champions Cup - Round One Results

Harlequins - 24
Wasps - 27


Northampton Saints - 22
ASM Clermont Auvergne - 25

Ospreys - 22
Saracens - 27


Exeter Chiefs - 26
Montpellier - 22

Castres Olympique - 21
Leicester Tigers - 27

Bath Rugby - 26
Scarlets - 23

Predictions Bonuses:
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Pooly, CJ & Flux

Scores: Pull & Prop
None: Everyone one else.

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Post by Fluxy Tue 02 Jan 2018, 1:49 pm

Harlequins 24 - 27 Wasps
Cracking game, really like what Pull has did with his pack and they give the backs a good platform. Not sure Smith will be able to get into the game on the back foot and the Wasps train keeps marching on. 

Harlequins 22 - 23 Wasps

Harlequins 25 - 26 Wasps
Two strong teams, looking to make the most of the european opportunity. I like the Wasps platform, not to say that Quins cannot provide that, but they do lack they same ball carrying that the Wasps bring to the game. A similar story in the back line, Care and Brown are in form, but the remaining quins back line, not exactly in form at the minute. Wasps likewise, but just a little more solid for me. A close game, but the reliable boot of Gopperth will see them edge it.

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Post by Fluxy Tue 02 Jan 2018, 1:49 pm

Northampton Saints 20 - 24 ASM Clermont Auvergne
One of the toughest games of the round. Saints up against it with a weaker lineup, scrum would get a bit of a hammering. 

Northampton Saints 21 - 21 ASM Clermont Auvergne
ASM remain a strong side in Europe but away from France they are beatable. Saints push them close but without tactics they don't quite have the class to win, so it's a draw. I think Saints not quite there with the tight 5 in this kind of game.

Northampton Saints 20 - 21 ASM Clermont Auvergne

Northampton Saints 23 - 24 ASM Clermont Auvergne

Northampton Saints 24 - 27 ASM Clermont Auvergne
Despite both being on the road, Clermont, going against French tradition will be strong, and take the game to saints. Northampton have rotated a bit and can see them struggling at times. A close game on the scoreboard, but not on paper.

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Post by Fluxy Tue 02 Jan 2018, 1:50 pm

Ospreys 20 - 26 Saracens
Ospreys are a mess recently, and Sarries remain very tough, equal on paper to Ospreys in every position at least even with this weakened side, and with that lapse in form and Sarries' group mentality, Sarries win, especially a step up in the backs.

Ospreys 25 - 26 Saracens

Ospreys 20 - 21 Saracens

Ospreys 22 - 28 Saracens
Sarries have been strong and look to take the game to Ospreys. Ospreys haven't been great, but have some firepower and won’t be complete pushovers. Saracens still get the win, but denied a bonus point.

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Post by Fluxy Tue 02 Jan 2018, 1:51 pm

Exeter Chiefs 27 - 25 Montpellier
Another beauty. Can see this one changing leaders numerous times through the game. Exeter just enough to see this home though. 

Exeter Chiefs 26 - 21 Montpellier 
Very tough game with Montpellier very strong across the board, but Exeter have a quality pack and set piece, and an efficient and machine-like backline with enough gamebreaking in Nowell and Slade to win by more than a penalty.

Exeter Chiefs 22 - 21 Montpellier

Exeter Chiefs 22 - 21 Montpellier

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Post by Fluxy Tue 02 Jan 2018, 1:52 pm

Castres Olympique 19 - 21 Leicester Tigers
Fancy Tigers to just sneak this one with a strong lineup that would trouble most. 

Castres Olympique 22 - 28 Leicester Tigers
All French sides hard away, but Castres don't quite have the spark for me to break down Tigers, and tehy have a set piece that can cope away, an augmented and now top class backrow, and form in the halfbacks. Just need Manu and Toomua to stay fit to be in contention to win this competition.

Castres Olympique 22 - 23 Leicester Tigers

Castres Olympique 23 - 24 Leicester Tigers

Castres Olympique 21 - 25 Leicester Tigers
Castres always struggle on the road, and even at a neutral ground they won’t travel well. Tigers aren't in the best domestic form, but will have too much for their french counterparts.

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Post by Fluxy Tue 02 Jan 2018, 1:55 pm

Bath Rugby 29 - 24 Scarlets
Bath a little too strong, Scarlets a good side but just can't get into this one. 

Bath Rugby 22 - 20 Scarlets
Scarlets very variable in real life, but I think have the quality to test the front row of Bath. Bath's class elsewhere holds on for a win, with a good loose 5 and 13-15. Scarlets push them close.

Bath Rugby 23 - 23 Scarlets

Bath Rugby 22 - 23 Scarlets

Bath Rugby 25 - 23 Scarlets
I feel this will be a very end to end game, as Scarlets will look to open it up each time they get hold of possession. Bath have some real dynamism and power, but some issues in keys positions slightly hinder their progress.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue 02 Jan 2018, 7:14 pm

I assume nobody here has watched Smith acttally play on the back foot? (Ie most matches this season?).
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Post by Driver Wed 03 Jan 2018, 2:52 pm

I've never seen Marcus Smith play in my life.
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Post by Fluxy Wed 03 Jan 2018, 5:20 pm

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