The Apprentice - FINAL
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The Apprentice - FINAL
Congratulations to both of you on making the final. I was very pleased with both of your submissions in what proved to be a very competitive task.
We move on to the last task, which will be in keeping with Azzrentice tradition. The task will be to select the best XI for the opening of a football museum. I want you to select eleven players, with a paragraph (approx 100 words) for each player. Not going to penalise or count words, just giving an idea of what sort of amount I expect.
David Beckham has recently announced that he will be founding an MLS Team in Miami, which is where the museum will be. The museum will commemorate players from 2000-2018. So for instance, Peter Schmeichel may have played in the 2000s, but selecting him would be on the basis of his Aston Villa and Man City career. Probably not the best choice.
Lionel Messi has decided to join Olly for this task, who will be named Team Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo has joined BamBam, for team Ronaldo. You may only use your own superstar player and not the other's team's.
I also want eleven nations to be represented in your XI. So no more than one player per nation in your team. So, you cannot pick Xavi and Iniesta for example.
The deadline for your submissions is on Thursday 8th March at 12 midday. Please send via PM.
The tradition is to select a team of returning candidates to assist you, but I am going to do away with this. You are welcome to seek advice from anyone you see fit. Any previous candidates can confirm that they are willing to help out on this page.
To summarise:
- Team Messi (Olly) vs Team Ronaldo (BamBam)
- Select XI for football museum based on achievements 2000-present
- Only one player per nation in your XI.
- You may get help from any previous candidates as you wish.
- Submit by Thursday 8th March at midday.
We move on to the last task, which will be in keeping with Azzrentice tradition. The task will be to select the best XI for the opening of a football museum. I want you to select eleven players, with a paragraph (approx 100 words) for each player. Not going to penalise or count words, just giving an idea of what sort of amount I expect.
David Beckham has recently announced that he will be founding an MLS Team in Miami, which is where the museum will be. The museum will commemorate players from 2000-2018. So for instance, Peter Schmeichel may have played in the 2000s, but selecting him would be on the basis of his Aston Villa and Man City career. Probably not the best choice.
Lionel Messi has decided to join Olly for this task, who will be named Team Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo has joined BamBam, for team Ronaldo. You may only use your own superstar player and not the other's team's.
I also want eleven nations to be represented in your XI. So no more than one player per nation in your team. So, you cannot pick Xavi and Iniesta for example.
The deadline for your submissions is on Thursday 8th March at 12 midday. Please send via PM.
The tradition is to select a team of returning candidates to assist you, but I am going to do away with this. You are welcome to seek advice from anyone you see fit. Any previous candidates can confirm that they are willing to help out on this page.
To summarise:
- Team Messi (Olly) vs Team Ronaldo (BamBam)
- Select XI for football museum based on achievements 2000-present
- Only one player per nation in your XI.
- You may get help from any previous candidates as you wish.
- Submit by Thursday 8th March at midday.
Last edited by Trebs on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 5:18 pm; edited 1 time in total
Trebs- Posts : 14651
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Poor task.....poor
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Trebs
I'm going to really struggle to get anything in for Tuesday. I've got interviews Thursday and Friday morning which I'll be spending the next two evenings preparing for and am away over the weekend, so will literally only have Monday evening to do anything.
Is there any possibility of the deadline being pushed back to say Thursday?
I'm going to really struggle to get anything in for Tuesday. I've got interviews Thursday and Friday morning which I'll be spending the next two evenings preparing for and am away over the weekend, so will literally only have Monday evening to do anything.
Is there any possibility of the deadline being pushed back to say Thursday?
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I’m ok with that Bam - I’m unlikely to be around Tuesday so Thursday would suit me too
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Thursday 8th is fine. I will update the task.
Please let me know if anything is unclear or you have any questions.
Please let me know if anything is unclear or you have any questions.
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Questions
Do I need to give a set of tactics / play style as if my team is playing against Olly's?
Does the team need to "work" in real life - ie would I be penalised for not using a defensive midfielder, or having a winger on his non favoured side
Do I need to give a set of tactics / play style as if my team is playing against Olly's?
Does the team need to "work" in real life - ie would I be penalised for not using a defensive midfielder, or having a winger on his non favoured side
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I think both can be worked out from my original post.
Your side is for a football museum - I don't really want to spoon-feed the answers.
Your side is for a football museum - I don't really want to spoon-feed the answers.
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I should point out that you may ask for assistance from fellow finalists. I would suggest asking an experienced apprentice man for their opinion.
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My next question was going to be who is willing to volunteer advice
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I would but I've already helped Olly so wouldn't be right.
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I'll try and help if you want Bam as and when I've got time
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Just as a reminder, the deadline is tomorrow at midday.
Any issues please let me know
Any issues please let me know
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Tick tock.
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PM'd Trebs a little while ago
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Olly said he sent his last night so presumably we're waiting on Trebs
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I've received both. I will upload them shortly and follow up with some questions
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Good Afternoon BamBam, Olly and any other lurkers. Again, I want to say well done to both of you for making the final. I'm pleased that you have both submitted your teams for this final task on time.
Please see both submissions here:
If any of the previous candidates would like to have their say, then now is the time to do so. I would especially be interested to hear from anyone that assisted exactly what you did.
In addition, I have the following questions for both of the finalists.
1. Did you receive any help from anyone else for this task?
2. How much did you consider your audience as it was for a US Museum? Did picking David Beckham come to mind?
3. How much do you feel having different nationalities constricted you? Are there any players you would have included if possible?
4. Do you feel that you have made any oversights on your submission now that you have seen your opponent's?
Please see both submissions here:
- OLLY - TEAM MESSI:
The XI I have selected will play in a 4-3-3 formation, to get the best out of our designated player Lionel Messi, as this is the formation he has played mostly during his time at Barcelona. See the starting XI below
GK - Gigi Buffon - Italy
RB - Phillip Lahm - Germany
CB - Jaap Stam - Holland
CB - Rio Ferdinand - England
LB - Roberto Carlos - Brazil
DM - Claude Makelele - France
RCM - Pavel Nedved - Czech Republic
LCM - Andres Iniesta - Spain
RW - Lionel Messi - Argentina
ST - Luis Suarez - Uruguay
LW - Ryan Giggs - Wales
Please see below my paragraphs about each player;
Buffon - Simply the best goalkeeper of his generation for my mind. The longevity he has shown at the highest level for his whole career, playing in some of the meanest defences ever seen with Juventus and Italy, a world cup winner and a champions league finalist on numerous occasions, he always performs on the big stage, and has remained at a ridiculously high level of play all the way through the time period in question. I did consider Pirlo as our Italian player, but ultimately Buffon was the best choice.
Lahm - Probably the best right back of his generation also, Lahm was the definition of a great full back. Comfortable on the ball, able to provide assists going forward but also solid as a rock in defence, again playing well on the highest stages in world cups and champions leagues. A fairly simple choice for our squad and our German player.
Stam - Started off the time period in his latter years at United before having great success in some very good Lazio and great Milan sides, Stam is the enforcing CB every side needs and a real leader on the pitch. Trusted by some of the best managers of the generation too. I did consider Arjen Robben as a Dutch player, but with Messi in his position already, and Stam's leadership and ability he brings at CB, it was a good choice.
Ferdinand - Simply the best CB for England during this time period, he set the transfer record right at the start with his move to Man Utd, and actually made that price tag look cheap with his play. Comfortable on the ball, majestic across the ground in defence, a proper proper CB, who also played well into his latter years in some great CB partnerships. A minor blip with the drug test thing, probably means the general journalist view was John Terry was better (Weirdly), but not in this football purists eyes
Carlos - When you think of the best left back of this period, there is only one answer, and it is Roberto Carlos. Much like Lahm, great going forward and in defence, Carlos also played in world cup winning and champions league winning sides, a true legend of the game at the biggest club in Europe. I did consider Kaka as my Brazilian player, but Carlos pipped him in terms of his achievements and status in the game.
Makelele - Looking for a person to play the DM role, Makelele was the choice that instantly came to mind. A glittering and underrated career in some of the best teams of the time at Madrid and Chelsea, noted by numerous fellow players and managers as the key cog to the sides, doing the dirty work and being good on the ball also.
Nedved - Maybe the most surprising of my choices, but I was looking for a midfielder from a less fancied country, and really Nedved was the obvious choice. A year at Lazio, then a glittering best part of a decade at Juventus during this period, Nedved was one of the best creative and goalscoring midfielders of his generation, he also helped his national side to numerous international tournaments during the time period too.
Iniesta - for me, the best midfielder of this time period, Iniesta is just a magnificent magnificent player. Utterly majestic to watch on the ball, a great eye for a pass and has scored some of the most important goals in footballing history, iconic moments where he came out on top. Some might have considered other Spanish players, but really it is no choice - and to add to it, this man is still going at the highest level in 2018!
Messi - doesn't really take much explanation, the best player of all time, in his favoured position - solid.
Suarez - he may not be everyone's cup of tea with some of his antics, but there can be no doubting what an utterly wonderful player Luis Suarez is. He has a ridiculous goalscoring record in his career both at club and international level, his career at Barcelona is amazing and what he did at Liverpool was legendary. Capable of scoring utterly sublime goals, as well as classic number nine in the box finishes, Suarez has it all and leads the line in this side.
Giggs - Giggs is simply the best Premier League player of the time period, a magnificent winger who had pace and guile, and a wand of a left foot. Both pre 2000 and for a decade plus into the 2000's, year in year out he was a staple on the United teamsheet, as shown by him winning the BBC Sports Personality of the Year in 2009 when almost 20 years into his career he had arguably his best season.
- BAMBAM - TEAM RONALDO:
I have selected 11 of the greatest players of the last 18 years to form Team Ronaldo for the Miami football museum, and I am sure you will agree that many of these players are candidates for an all time team, not just a team of the last 18 years.
I am using a 4-3-3/4-5-1 formation, which has taken such prominence since 2000. Given the quality of the players on the ball, I am expecting this to predominantly be a 4-3-3.
I have listed each player's notable teams and achievementsBuffonZanetti ------Vidic---------Ferdinand------LahmXavi-----Modric---ZidaneRonaldinho-----Ibrahimovic-----Ronaldo
Goalkeeper – Gianluigi Buffon
Teams – Appearances – Goals
Parma – 168 – 0
Juventus – 501 – 0
Italy – 175 – 0
Honours
Serie A x 8 (excluding those stripped from Juventus)
Coppa Italia x 4
Italian Super Cup x 6
UEFA Cup
World Cup
I’m starting with arguably the best goalkeeper of the modern era. Buffon holds the record for the most clean sheets in Serie A history, and with the Italian national team. He has been widely recognised as being one of the most accomplished goalkeepers in the world from 1999 and still is to date. Dominant in all areas of goalkeeping, he has kept his performances to the level where he is able to still start for the best team in Italy up to the age of 40, captaining the side for the last 6 years. His career has seen him win every major club title other than the Champions League, and has accomplished what few other challengers for his position in this team have by winning the World Cup. In my view, he is the outstanding Italian footballer over the last 20 years and I’m very happy to pick him for the team
Left back – Philip Lahm
Teams – Appearances – Goals
VFB Stuttgart – 53 - 2
Bayern Munich – 332 – 12
Germany – 113 – 5
Honours
Bundesliga x 8
DFB Pokal x 6
DFL Super Cup x 3
Champions League
World Cup
Lahm in my view is the finest full back to play over the last 18 years. He dominated playing as both a right back, left back, and even defensive midfielder for one of Europe’s superpower clubs since 2005. The versatility to play either full back position is almost unheard of amongst his peers, and certainly none can claim to have performed at the level he did for such a long time. Lahm was included in the World Cup team of the tournament on 3 separate occasions, culminating in him lifting the World Cup as captain in 2014. I believe his pace, technique and unbelievable reading of the game would stand him in good stead in any era of football, and he would match up to any of the finest attacking players that the world has ever seen. I could easily have included him in my team at right back, but I think he made his name playing left back and happily select him for that position.
Centre backs – Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand
Teams – Appearances - Goals
Vidic
Spartak Moscow – 39 – 4
Man Utd – 211 – 15
Internazionale – 23 – 1
Serbia – 56 – 2
Ferdinand
West Ham – 127 – 2
Leeds – 54 – 2
Man Utd – 312 – 7
QPR – 11 – 0
England – 81 – 3
Honours
Premier League x 5 as a partnership, 1 more for Rio prior to that
League Cup x 2
Champions League
FIFA Club World Cup
Community Shield x 5
PFA Team of the year – 5 and 6 times respectively
At first glance, Vidic may stand out in a team filled with the luminaries that have lit up the game in the last 20 years. However, paired with his old pal Ferdinand, I believe they stand out as the best centre back partnership seen in club football over that time. As a partnership, they had it all – pace, power, reading of the game, unbelievable leadership quality and will to win. They were the foundation of arguably the finest side of the Premier League era was built on, setting a record for the longest time without conceding a goal.
Neither player had the international success that others in the team had, for varying reasons. Vidic playing for a weaker nation, and Ferdinand playing for an England team whose golden generation never quite delivered on its promise. Winning the honours they did domestically is what gets them into this team, and I firmly believe that there is no finer centre back partnership that would be eligible for this team
Right back – Javier Zanetti
Teams – Appearances – Goals
Taileres – 33 – 1
Banfield – 66 - 4
Internazionale – 615 – 12
Argentina – 143 – 4
Honours
Serie A x 5
Coppa Italia x 4
Italian Super Cup x 4
Champions League
UEFA Cup
FIFA Club World Cup
Zanetti is in my view one of the most underrated players of the era. He played at the top level for nigh on 20 years, showing unbelievable longevity. He was able to play left back, right back, winger and even central midfield for a side with the resources and quality of Inter, which shows how highly he was rated. It says it all about how he led the club, 15 of the 16 trophies won while he was playing there were under his captaincy. Loyalty is underrated in football, and he turned down moves to the likes of Real Madrid, Man Utd and Barcelona, and saw the results of that when Inter dominated the league for 5 years and ultimately won the Champions League.
With Lahm and Zanetti flanking the best centre back partnership of the last 20 years, I believe this side will be very strong defensively, and that is before you even get to Buffon
Central Midfield – Xavi Hernandez
Teams – Appearances – Goals
Barcelona – 505 – 58
Spain – 133 – 13
Honours
La Liga x 8
Copa Del Rey x 3
Spanish Super Cup x 6
Champions League x 4
UEFA Super Cup x 2
FIFA World Club Cup x 2
World Cup
European Championship x 2
Given that list of honours, its fairly obvious that the player in question must be of the very highest quality. Some may say that Barcelona’s success was due to Lionel Messi, but the great man himself labelled Xavi as the greatest player in the history of Spanish football. His playmaking ability, passing and technique stood out very early on in his career. He took that to new levels from the mid 2000s onwards, dominating Spanish and European football for a generation. It wasn’t just at club level, Xavi was the heartbeat of the Spain side that won an unprecedented 3 tournaments in a row, being named player of the tournament at Euro 2008. Xavi is in my view, the best centre midfielder of the last 20 years, and was unquestionably my first choice in midfield.
Central midfield – Luka Modric
Teams – Appearances – Goals
Dinamo Zagreb – 94 – 27
Tottenham Hotspur – 127 – 13
Real Madrid – 158 – 9
Honours
Croatian League x 3
Croatian Cup x 2
La Liga
Copa del Rey
Spanish Super Cup
Champions League x 3
UEFA Super Cup x 3
FIFA Club World Cup x 3
Modric is not the first name that comes to mind when you think of great midfield players. But that is quite reflective of his game – he doesn’t do the eye catching stuff that other players may attempt, but he offers complete and utter control of a game exactly how he wants it to be. In my view, pairing him with Xavi would be the complete midfield duo, both able to tackle and do the defensive side of the game, while offering dominance when in possession. Modric was central to Real winning 3 Champions League titles in 4 years, unprecedented since the days of the European Cup. His time at Tottenham was not the most successful period, but he showed the quality that has led to him being an integral part of Madrid’s first team since 2012. Modric makes a fine addition to this team
Central/Attacking midfield – Zinedine Zidane
Teams – Appearances – Goals
Cannes – 61 – 6
Bordeaux – 139 – 28
Juventus – 151 – 24
Real Madrid – 155 – 37
France – 108 – 31
Honours
Serie A x 2
Italian Super Cup
UEFA Super Cup x 2
La Liga
Champions League
World Cup
European Championships
Zidane is arguably the greatest French player of all time. A 3 time World Player of the Year, winning every major club and international title gives him honours all over his CV. More than that, he delivered at the big occasion almost every time – the winning goal in the 2002 CL final, the performances he put in before the WC Final in 2006. No one blinked an eye when Real increased their own world transfer record by 20% to bring him in a season after they bought Figo. Zidane may have had a fine first half of his career pre 2000, but in my opinion it is 2000-2006 where he cemented his legacy as one of the finest players of all time.
Left wing forward – Cristiano Ronaldo
Teams – Appearances – Goals
Sporting – 25 – 3
Man Utd – 196 – 84
Real Madrid – 286 – 301
Portugal – 147 – 79
Honours
Premier League x 3
FA Cup
League Cup x 2
Champions League x 4
FIFA Club World Cup x 4
UEFA Super Cup x 2
European Championships
Ballon Dor x 5
I was given Cristiano to start my team, and am very grateful to start with such a player. There is a strong argument that he is the finest goal scorer of all time, able to score every type of goal. He has the mentality and work ethic to lead any team, the way he has grown and developed his game from the tricky winger to the powerhouse forward, to now the ultimate goal poacher is the stuff of legend. He has won every individual and club honour, and leading an unfancied Portugal side to the Euros adds hugely to his legacy. His rivalry with Messi has pushed both to greater heights, and even if I wasn’t given him to start with, he most certainly would have been in my team
Right wing forward – Ronaldinho
Teams – Appearances – Goals
PSG – 55 – 17
Barcelona – 145 – 70
Milan – 76 – 20
Brazil – 97 – 33
Honours
La Liga x 2
Spanish Super Cup x 2
Champions League
Serie A
World Cup
In terms of impact on a club, there is an argument that Ronaldinho achieved more than most of the players on this list. He was responsible for raising Barcelona from a sleeping giant back to a super power, which was then taken forward by Messi. He regularly delivered stunning performances at the biggest moments, how often do you see a Barcelona player given a standing ovation at the Bernebau? His quality and ingenuity on a pitch stood out amongst some great teams, and he was worth the ticket price alone. Winning every club honour, and the World Cup makes him arguably the greatest Brazilian player of the last 20 years, his career has overlapped both Ronaldo and Neymar, and it says it all that he is still seen as one of the best Brazil has produced. Very glad to pick him in this team
Striker – Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Teams – Appearances – Goals
Ajax – 74 – 35
Juventus – 70 – 23
Internazionale – 88 – 57
Barcelona – 29 – 16
Milan – 61 – 42
PSG – 122 – 113
Man Utd – 33 – 17
Sweden – 116 – 62
Honours
Eredivisie x 2
Serie A x 4
Italian Super Cup x 2
La Liga
UEFA Super Cup
Ligue 1 x 4
French Cup x 3
Europa League
Zlatan has had a more nomadic career than many on this list, but his goal record and trophy winning exploits over the last 18 years stand up against any of his competition for this side. He has not had the international success that others have given his nationality, or won the Champions League, but in terms of dominating the domestic leagues, there are few like him. His dressing room presence was valued throughout his career, and he is another who developed his game and adapted to the passing of time. Physically, he was one of the most dominant strikers of the era, but in his early days he was well capable of dancing through a defence.
If any of the previous candidates would like to have their say, then now is the time to do so. I would especially be interested to hear from anyone that assisted exactly what you did.
In addition, I have the following questions for both of the finalists.
1. Did you receive any help from anyone else for this task?
2. How much did you consider your audience as it was for a US Museum? Did picking David Beckham come to mind?
3. How much do you feel having different nationalities constricted you? Are there any players you would have included if possible?
4. Do you feel that you have made any oversights on your submission now that you have seen your opponent's?
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1. Did you receive any help from anyone else for this task?
Yeah from Marky and Nadz on FB messenger
2. How much did you consider your audience as it was for a US Museum? Did picking David Beckham come to mind?
Honestly? Didn't consider the audience for the US Museum. I focused on the XI purely because that was the task.
And no, because for me he is nowhere near the best English player for this time period, let alone best right sided player. If the task was to draw in as many visitors to the museum as possible, then obviously I would've considered these two things.
3. How much do you feel having different nationalities constricted you? Are there any players you would have included if possible?
It did constrict quite a bit when it came to specific nations. I really wanted to find a way to include Kaka, and making choices between guys like Pirlo/Buffon, Iniesta/Casillas etc was really tough.
4. Do you feel that you have made any oversights on your submission now that you have seen your opponent's?
Maybe should have given a more precise overview of their achievements and honours - but based on the XI alone, no, I think Bam has chosen some players I definitely wouldn't have
Yeah from Marky and Nadz on FB messenger
2. How much did you consider your audience as it was for a US Museum? Did picking David Beckham come to mind?
Honestly? Didn't consider the audience for the US Museum. I focused on the XI purely because that was the task.
And no, because for me he is nowhere near the best English player for this time period, let alone best right sided player. If the task was to draw in as many visitors to the museum as possible, then obviously I would've considered these two things.
3. How much do you feel having different nationalities constricted you? Are there any players you would have included if possible?
It did constrict quite a bit when it came to specific nations. I really wanted to find a way to include Kaka, and making choices between guys like Pirlo/Buffon, Iniesta/Casillas etc was really tough.
4. Do you feel that you have made any oversights on your submission now that you have seen your opponent's?
Maybe should have given a more precise overview of their achievements and honours - but based on the XI alone, no, I think Bam has chosen some players I definitely wouldn't have
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In addition, I have the following questions for both of the finalists.
1. Did you receive any help from anyone else for this task?
Yes, Hero gave me some suggestions when I sent him my initial brain dump of all the players I thought were worthy of consideration
2. How much did you consider your audience as it was for a US Museum? Did picking David Beckham come to mind?
Not necessarily for the US audience, but as it was a football museum, I tried to stick with players that are difficult to dispute their status as legends of the game, even if they aren't necessarily the flashiest of players.
Beckham didn't even register as a possibility, my other choice of English player would have been Ashley Cole
3. How much do you feel having different nationalities constricted you? Are there any players you would have included if possible?
Definitely was a restriction. One of my earliest decision's was whether to go with Zidane and Ronaldo or Ronaldinho and Henry - I ended up splitting the difference
I was looking at Fat Ronaldo, Henry, Pirlo, Maldini and Chiellini as options
4. Do you feel that you have made any oversights on your submission now that you have seen your opponent's?
Giggs came very strongly into my consideration, and I considered using Ronaldo as a striker to fit him in. I generally considered all the players Olly picked, but the nationality restriction helped make my decision in a lot of places
1. Did you receive any help from anyone else for this task?
Yes, Hero gave me some suggestions when I sent him my initial brain dump of all the players I thought were worthy of consideration
2. How much did you consider your audience as it was for a US Museum? Did picking David Beckham come to mind?
Not necessarily for the US audience, but as it was a football museum, I tried to stick with players that are difficult to dispute their status as legends of the game, even if they aren't necessarily the flashiest of players.
Beckham didn't even register as a possibility, my other choice of English player would have been Ashley Cole
3. How much do you feel having different nationalities constricted you? Are there any players you would have included if possible?
Definitely was a restriction. One of my earliest decision's was whether to go with Zidane and Ronaldo or Ronaldinho and Henry - I ended up splitting the difference
I was looking at Fat Ronaldo, Henry, Pirlo, Maldini and Chiellini as options
4. Do you feel that you have made any oversights on your submission now that you have seen your opponent's?
Giggs came very strongly into my consideration, and I considered using Ronaldo as a striker to fit him in. I generally considered all the players Olly picked, but the nationality restriction helped make my decision in a lot of places
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Thanks for your answers. The fact it was a museum meant a few things. Team balance, chemistry and such is not a factor, it's about selecting the best XI. It is players with the big reputations that count, not necessarily the best players on paper in a team.
In response to Olly, I'm not too bothered about a precise overview of all the achievements and honours. I just wanted a feel for each player and why you picked them.
Moving forward, we look at the teams.
Both of you have selected Gigi Buffon, Philipp Lahm and Rio Ferdinand. All excellent picks. I am also going to remove Ronaldo and Messi, and consider them equal. The same for Xavi and Iniesta, I think you would be hard pressed to split them.
So for me, it comes down to these six choices:
Roberto Carlos vs Javier Zanetti
Jaap Stam vs Nemanja Vidic
Pavel Nedved vs Luka Modric
Claude Makelele vs Zinedine Zidane
Luis Suarez vs Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Ryan Giggs vs Ronaldinho
Please can you justify the six picks you made compared to the other team?
In response to Olly, I'm not too bothered about a precise overview of all the achievements and honours. I just wanted a feel for each player and why you picked them.
Moving forward, we look at the teams.
Both of you have selected Gigi Buffon, Philipp Lahm and Rio Ferdinand. All excellent picks. I am also going to remove Ronaldo and Messi, and consider them equal. The same for Xavi and Iniesta, I think you would be hard pressed to split them.
So for me, it comes down to these six choices:
Roberto Carlos vs Javier Zanetti
Jaap Stam vs Nemanja Vidic
Pavel Nedved vs Luka Modric
Claude Makelele vs Zinedine Zidane
Luis Suarez vs Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Ryan Giggs vs Ronaldinho
Please can you justify the six picks you made compared to the other team?
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In addition to the above, please tell me why you should be the winner of the process.
Once I receive answers from both I will give a final decision
Once I receive answers from both I will give a final decision
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Roberto Carlos vs Javier Zanetti
I considered Carlos, and rejigging my team to fit in an alternative Brazilian player to Ronaldinho. Ultimately, my opinion was that the only Brazilian I would have considered in his place was Ronaldo.
In my view, Zanetti offered greater longevity and had more sustained success as a player over the 2000-2018 time frame we were given. He was captain and key player in the Inter team that defeated arguably the best club team of the period (Barcelona 2010), preventing them from repeating as European champions. He captained Inter to 5 successive Serie A titles over that time period, and certainly goes down as a legend of Italian football, a league where defending has been perfected as an art form. I think Zanetti is a better choice for the museum due to his multi positional play, dominance at his chosen position and longevity/success for close to 8 years after Carlos effectively ended his career moving to Fenerbahce
Jaap Stam vs Nemanja Vidic
For me Vidic goes hand in hand with Rio Ferdinand - their names are almost synonymous when discussing centre backs. I completely agree that big reputations count the most for this museum. Has there been a pair of centre backs with as big a reputation as Rio and Vidic? Dominating the Premier League for many seasons, being a part of arguably its best ever team and winning the CL, regularly being named in the team of the year and ultimately being made captain of Man Utd stand out as huge achievements for Vidic.
In my opinion, he is a better choice than Stam again due to longevity and success - Stam took a step backwards moving to Lazio, and his only team success in the period was winning the Premier League in 2001 and the Italian Cup in 2004 with Lazio. Stam was unable to prevent "that" Liverpool team making a comeback in Istanbul, and never reached that heightened level again. I simply think Vidic delivered more success over a longer period of time at a higher profile and level of club, making him a great candidate for the museum.
Pavel Nedved vs Luka Modric
Recency bias is a big factor for Modric here. Nedved was a terrific player, but a large part of his success was pre 2000 with Lazio. In the time period being evaluated, his club honours amounted to two Serie A titles (factoring in the matchfixing scandal) - in a museum, people want to read about the achievements of a player, why is he in the museum? Two Serie A titles doesn't match up to a player who was so crucial for Real Madrid in 3 CL wins. If looking at reputation and profile, particularly in the US, Real certainly and even Spurs may arguably have had better exposure given the leagues they play in.
Claude Makelele vs Zinedine Zidane
This is on paper a difficult one. Makelele defined a position, and Zidane himself lauded him publicly. I just think that any player with the ability, profile and achievements of Zidane is a shoo in for a museum such as this. A 3 time world player of the year obviously has the huge reputation to be worthy of selection, but he was arguably one of the biggest names in sport during his peak years. The biggest moments of his career - 1998 WC final, the volley in the CL final, and even his headbutt in the 2006 WC final are iconic footballing moments, all could be played on a loop in a museum and people would stop to watch. Makelele is an excellent player, but no one pays to watch football to see how well the defensive midfielder is doing, Zidane was box office his entire career, and I am happy with my choice
Luis Suarez vs Zlatan Ibrahimovic
I've got a simple answer to why I think Suarez should not be in any footballing museum - he has been found guilty of racially abusing a fellow player. That sort of person should never be commemorated in a museum. I can look past his biting and the cheating against Ghana as infamy, after all Zidane was my choice despite headbutting Materazzi and Maradona got away with a handball too. I just can't see a world in which I would pick Suarez to be lauded in a museum.
As for pure achievements and ability on the pitch, Suarez has arguably only put together 4 truly excellent seasons (his last two at Liverpool, and the first two at Barcelona). He has not had the success individually or as part of a team that Ibrahimovic has, nor has he sustained his goal scoring and level of play over various leagues, playing for the biggest clubs every where he has been like Zlatan has. I would also say that Suarez has never been the figurehead for any team he has played in - Gerrard and Messi undoubtedly had those roles.
Ryan Giggs vs Ronaldinho
This is a bit of a reverse compared to the others. I have generally looked at sustained success and longevity - in this case, Giggs undoubtedly would be the choice looking at those two attributes given his trophy collection.
I would argue that Ronaldinho reached a higher peak than Giggs ever did from 2000-2018, and that Giggs arguably peaked as a player in the late 90s - early 00s. Ronaldinho took a Barcelona team not even in the Champions League, and led them to multiple La Liga titles and the Champions League. He won world player of the year twice, and arguably put the club on the platform from which it became the best team in Europe.
As much as I am a fan of Giggs' longevity and trophy haul, I can't overlook the performances that Ronaldinho put in over his time at Barcelona, and think he is definitely one of the iconic players of the last 18 years.
Ronaldinho would be in consideration for an all time team - as much as I like Giggs, I can't see that he would be seen at a similar level
I considered Carlos, and rejigging my team to fit in an alternative Brazilian player to Ronaldinho. Ultimately, my opinion was that the only Brazilian I would have considered in his place was Ronaldo.
In my view, Zanetti offered greater longevity and had more sustained success as a player over the 2000-2018 time frame we were given. He was captain and key player in the Inter team that defeated arguably the best club team of the period (Barcelona 2010), preventing them from repeating as European champions. He captained Inter to 5 successive Serie A titles over that time period, and certainly goes down as a legend of Italian football, a league where defending has been perfected as an art form. I think Zanetti is a better choice for the museum due to his multi positional play, dominance at his chosen position and longevity/success for close to 8 years after Carlos effectively ended his career moving to Fenerbahce
Jaap Stam vs Nemanja Vidic
For me Vidic goes hand in hand with Rio Ferdinand - their names are almost synonymous when discussing centre backs. I completely agree that big reputations count the most for this museum. Has there been a pair of centre backs with as big a reputation as Rio and Vidic? Dominating the Premier League for many seasons, being a part of arguably its best ever team and winning the CL, regularly being named in the team of the year and ultimately being made captain of Man Utd stand out as huge achievements for Vidic.
In my opinion, he is a better choice than Stam again due to longevity and success - Stam took a step backwards moving to Lazio, and his only team success in the period was winning the Premier League in 2001 and the Italian Cup in 2004 with Lazio. Stam was unable to prevent "that" Liverpool team making a comeback in Istanbul, and never reached that heightened level again. I simply think Vidic delivered more success over a longer period of time at a higher profile and level of club, making him a great candidate for the museum.
Pavel Nedved vs Luka Modric
Recency bias is a big factor for Modric here. Nedved was a terrific player, but a large part of his success was pre 2000 with Lazio. In the time period being evaluated, his club honours amounted to two Serie A titles (factoring in the matchfixing scandal) - in a museum, people want to read about the achievements of a player, why is he in the museum? Two Serie A titles doesn't match up to a player who was so crucial for Real Madrid in 3 CL wins. If looking at reputation and profile, particularly in the US, Real certainly and even Spurs may arguably have had better exposure given the leagues they play in.
Claude Makelele vs Zinedine Zidane
This is on paper a difficult one. Makelele defined a position, and Zidane himself lauded him publicly. I just think that any player with the ability, profile and achievements of Zidane is a shoo in for a museum such as this. A 3 time world player of the year obviously has the huge reputation to be worthy of selection, but he was arguably one of the biggest names in sport during his peak years. The biggest moments of his career - 1998 WC final, the volley in the CL final, and even his headbutt in the 2006 WC final are iconic footballing moments, all could be played on a loop in a museum and people would stop to watch. Makelele is an excellent player, but no one pays to watch football to see how well the defensive midfielder is doing, Zidane was box office his entire career, and I am happy with my choice
Luis Suarez vs Zlatan Ibrahimovic
I've got a simple answer to why I think Suarez should not be in any footballing museum - he has been found guilty of racially abusing a fellow player. That sort of person should never be commemorated in a museum. I can look past his biting and the cheating against Ghana as infamy, after all Zidane was my choice despite headbutting Materazzi and Maradona got away with a handball too. I just can't see a world in which I would pick Suarez to be lauded in a museum.
As for pure achievements and ability on the pitch, Suarez has arguably only put together 4 truly excellent seasons (his last two at Liverpool, and the first two at Barcelona). He has not had the success individually or as part of a team that Ibrahimovic has, nor has he sustained his goal scoring and level of play over various leagues, playing for the biggest clubs every where he has been like Zlatan has. I would also say that Suarez has never been the figurehead for any team he has played in - Gerrard and Messi undoubtedly had those roles.
Ryan Giggs vs Ronaldinho
This is a bit of a reverse compared to the others. I have generally looked at sustained success and longevity - in this case, Giggs undoubtedly would be the choice looking at those two attributes given his trophy collection.
I would argue that Ronaldinho reached a higher peak than Giggs ever did from 2000-2018, and that Giggs arguably peaked as a player in the late 90s - early 00s. Ronaldinho took a Barcelona team not even in the Champions League, and led them to multiple La Liga titles and the Champions League. He won world player of the year twice, and arguably put the club on the platform from which it became the best team in Europe.
As much as I am a fan of Giggs' longevity and trophy haul, I can't overlook the performances that Ronaldinho put in over his time at Barcelona, and think he is definitely one of the iconic players of the last 18 years.
Ronaldinho would be in consideration for an all time team - as much as I like Giggs, I can't see that he would be seen at a similar level
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I think I should win the Apprentice due to my sustained level of performance throughout the tasks, while being seen as an underdog prior to the competition beginning.
I had never taken part previously, but immediately stepped up to the mark to lead the first task and you yourself had first hand sight of my success in managing a team and being able to make key decisions.
I worked to my strengths as part of the team on other tasks, and I believe my proposal for Arsenal showed how I can think about more than just the players that would take the field.
I think I should win due to continually improving in every round, and offering strong evidence and detailed explanations of every decision I make, able to back up my decisions with clarity and facts.
I've shown that I can lead a team, I can perform in 1 on 1 interviews and that I can take advice and expertise from others when their strengths are in that area. I believe I am the best choice to be the Apprentice
I had never taken part previously, but immediately stepped up to the mark to lead the first task and you yourself had first hand sight of my success in managing a team and being able to make key decisions.
I worked to my strengths as part of the team on other tasks, and I believe my proposal for Arsenal showed how I can think about more than just the players that would take the field.
I think I should win due to continually improving in every round, and offering strong evidence and detailed explanations of every decision I make, able to back up my decisions with clarity and facts.
I've shown that I can lead a team, I can perform in 1 on 1 interviews and that I can take advice and expertise from others when their strengths are in that area. I believe I am the best choice to be the Apprentice
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BamBam wrote:Roberto Carlos vs Javier Zanetti
I considered Carlos, and rejigging my team to fit in an alternative Brazilian player to Ronaldinho. Ultimately, my opinion was that the only Brazilian I would have considered in his place was Ronaldo.
In my view, Zanetti offered greater longevity and had more sustained success as a player over the 2000-2018 time frame we were given. He was captain and key player in the Inter team that defeated arguably the best club team of the period (Barcelona 2010), preventing them from repeating as European champions. He captained Inter to 5 successive Serie A titles over that time period, and certainly goes down as a legend of Italian football, a league where defending has been perfected as an art form. I think Zanetti is a better choice for the museum due to his multi positional play, dominance at his chosen position and longevity/success for close to 8 years after Carlos effectively ended his career moving to Fenerbahce
Firstly on this one, I cannot understand why Bam has chosen a RB in Lahm to be his LB in this best XI of all time. But looking past that, for me Carlos played in some of the best Madrid sides of this time period, he was key cog in a iconic World Cup winning side in 2002, and is rightly lauded as one of the best attacking left backs of all time.
Jaap Stam vs Nemanja Vidic
For me Vidic goes hand in hand with Rio Ferdinand - their names are almost synonymous when discussing centre backs. I completely agree that big reputations count the most for this museum. Has there been a pair of centre backs with as big a reputation as Rio and Vidic? Dominating the Premier League for many seasons, being a part of arguably its best ever team and winning the CL, regularly being named in the team of the year and ultimately being made captain of Man Utd stand out as huge achievements for Vidic.
In my opinion, he is a better choice than Stam again due to longevity and success - Stam took a step backwards moving to Lazio, and his only team success in the period was winning the Premier League in 2001 and the Italian Cup in 2004 with Lazio. Stam was unable to prevent "that" Liverpool team making a comeback in Istanbul, and never reached that heightened level again. I simply think Vidic delivered more success over a longer period of time at a higher profile and level of club, making him a great candidate for the museum.
Well Bam's Man Utd tinted glasses are coming into full effect here , saying Stam took a step backwards in the latter half of his career when Vidic is widely remembered for being bummed by Fernando Torres everytime they played Liverpool and was utterly woeful for Utd in the latter days there. Stam is widely renowned for being a true leader, he was magnificent for a Lazio side who had financial issues, he was great for Holland at Euro 2000 and then was great for a Milan side also.
Pavel Nedved vs Luka Modric
Recency bias is a big factor for Modric here. Nedved was a terrific player, but a large part of his success was pre 2000 with Lazio. In the time period being evaluated, his club honours amounted to two Serie A titles (factoring in the matchfixing scandal) - in a museum, people want to read about the achievements of a player, why is he in the museum? Two Serie A titles doesn't match up to a player who was so crucial for Real Madrid in 3 CL wins. If looking at reputation and profile, particularly in the US, Real certainly and even Spurs may arguably have had better exposure given the leagues they play in.
I mean if we want to talk about achievements of a player, Nedved literally won the Ballon D'or in 2003 which far outweighs anything Modric has done individually in his career. He was instrumental in getting Juve to the CL final in 2003 (and only suspension stopped him bossing the final too), magnificent in getting the Czech's to the Euro 2004 semi final, Nedved was just a great great player for the latter end of his Lazio career in 2000 and 2001, then brilliant in some magnificent Juve sides until 2009.
Claude Makelele vs Zinedine Zidane
This is on paper a difficult one. Makelele defined a position, and Zidane himself lauded him publicly. I just think that any player with the ability, profile and achievements of Zidane is a shoo in for a museum such as this. A 3 time world player of the year obviously has the huge reputation to be worthy of selection, but he was arguably one of the biggest names in sport during his peak years. The biggest moments of his career - 1998 WC final, the volley in the CL final, and even his headbutt in the 2006 WC final are iconic footballing moments, all could be played on a loop in a museum and people would stop to watch. Makelele is an excellent player, but no one pays to watch football to see how well the defensive midfielder is doing, Zidane was box office his entire career, and I am happy with my choice
Not sure why you'd include something from 1998 in a museum about football from 2000-2018 I agree with Bam here, Makelele defined a position. Quite a major thing that. That's why he is in my side.
Luis Suarez vs Zlatan Ibrahimovic
I've got a simple answer to why I think Suarez should not be in any footballing museum - he has been found guilty of racially abusing a fellow player. That sort of person should never be commemorated in a museum. I can look past his biting and the cheating against Ghana as infamy, after all Zidane was my choice despite headbutting Materazzi and Maradona got away with a handball too. I just can't see a world in which I would pick Suarez to be lauded in a museum.
As for pure achievements and ability on the pitch, Suarez has arguably only put together 4 truly excellent seasons (his last two at Liverpool, and the first two at Barcelona). He has not had the success individually or as part of a team that Ibrahimovic has, nor has he sustained his goal scoring and level of play over various leagues, playing for the biggest clubs every where he has been like Zlatan has. I would also say that Suarez has never been the figurehead for any team he has played in - Gerrard and Messi undoubtedly had those roles.
If you're not including people who have done something wrong in their past in a museum, then museum's simply wouldn't exist
As for Suarez, suggesting he has only put together four excellent seasons is lolz, because his last season at Barca was very good and he was amazing during his time at Ajax also. He was the figurehead for the only Liverpool side to ever get close to winning a premier league (to suggest a geriatric Gerrard was in that season is not cool Bam) and is currently proving to be the best striker in the world at Barca and has been for many years now. On the international stage he had not only those iconic moments Bam mentions, but was named MVP of the Copa America winning Uruguay side in 2011 and was instrumental in Uruguay's world cup campaign of 2010. He's scored some of the best goals in PL history also (don't i know this!)
Ryan Giggs vs Ronaldinho
This is a bit of a reverse compared to the others. I have generally looked at sustained success and longevity - in this case, Giggs undoubtedly would be the choice looking at those two attributes given his trophy collection.
I would argue that Ronaldinho reached a higher peak than Giggs ever did from 2000-2018, and that Giggs arguably peaked as a player in the late 90s - early 00s. Ronaldinho took a Barcelona team not even in the Champions League, and led them to multiple La Liga titles and the Champions League. He won world player of the year twice, and arguably put the club on the platform from which it became the best team in Europe.
As much as I am a fan of Giggs' longevity and trophy haul, I can't overlook the performances that Ronaldinho put in over his time at Barcelona, and think he is definitely one of the iconic players of the last 18 years.
Ronaldinho would be in consideration for an all time team - as much as I like Giggs, I can't see that he would be seen at a similar level
I have to admit this is a tough one because I love Ronaldinho and would probably say he is a better pure player than Giggs, but I had to put Giggs in my side for as Bam says his longevity at the highest level of the game for one of the biggest sides in England, and for also his achievements personally and team wise.
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Didn't Trebs say
"Please can you justify the six picks you made compared to the other team?"
Not - "Use the other team's objective analysis as your justification for your picks"
Do you want an Apprentice who refers to footballers being "bummed" and advocates racists?
If you had a Zinedine Zidane museum and a Claude Makelele museum, which one would have more visitors
"Please can you justify the six picks you made compared to the other team?"
Not - "Use the other team's objective analysis as your justification for your picks"
Do you want an Apprentice who refers to footballers being "bummed" and advocates racists?
If you had a Zinedine Zidane museum and a Claude Makelele museum, which one would have more visitors
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Thanks to both of you, there's some good comments there. My thoughts are as follows:
- There's a few players in there which I think too much weight has been placed on their pre-2000 achievements. I think this is a bit of an oversight from both of you
- I don't have an issue with Suarez going in the side in response to the biting, racism etc. However, I think that Zlatan Ibrahimovic is a much more iconic figure and in this scenario, would have been my pick.
- Ronaldinho was the best player in the world for a couple of years and for me absolutely has to be selected in the team.
- Philipp Lahm has excelled on both flanks and it makes no difference which side he is put on for purposes of this task.
Both of you have impressed in previous tasks, Bam perhaps in earlier tasks with some good leadership, and Olly's superb semi-final presentation. I can't split you based on those, so my decision comes solely from your submissions in the final.
- There's a few players in there which I think too much weight has been placed on their pre-2000 achievements. I think this is a bit of an oversight from both of you
- I don't have an issue with Suarez going in the side in response to the biting, racism etc. However, I think that Zlatan Ibrahimovic is a much more iconic figure and in this scenario, would have been my pick.
- Ronaldinho was the best player in the world for a couple of years and for me absolutely has to be selected in the team.
- Philipp Lahm has excelled on both flanks and it makes no difference which side he is put on for purposes of this task.
Both of you have impressed in previous tasks, Bam perhaps in earlier tasks with some good leadership, and Olly's superb semi-final presentation. I can't split you based on those, so my decision comes solely from your submissions in the final.
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Olly, you have picked a more balanced side and I think if this were for say, a cup final, then you would win. However, BamBam has selected Ronaldinho and Zidane which, for me, gives him a big advantage. I think that he somewhat recognised more the objective of this task, although more could have been made of it in my opinion.
I asked for an XI to be made for a football museum.
Olly, it with sincere regret that you are fired. You should leave with your head held high, as you have performed very well and get a well deserved runner up spot.
Bam, you're hired. Congratulations on winning the process and you're going to be my apprentice.
I asked for an XI to be made for a football museum.
Olly, it with sincere regret that you are fired. You should leave with your head held high, as you have performed very well and get a well deserved runner up spot.
Bam, you're hired. Congratulations on winning the process and you're going to be my apprentice.
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Thanks Trebs
Well played Olly
Well played Olly
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Brooksey79 wrote:boooo wrong choice
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Dinho did nothing of note in Milan so pretty much retired pre-2008
Zizou finished in 2006
how is that any different to having a play say Stam who saw the first half dozen years of 2000's?
I really really like Dinho but he was exceptional for such a short period that Giggsy for me had to be included over him, think of all the Brazilians Ronaldo (Inter and Real) and Kaka would have been better shouts
Zizou finished in 2006
how is that any different to having a play say Stam who saw the first half dozen years of 2000's?
I really really like Dinho but he was exceptional for such a short period that Giggsy for me had to be included over him, think of all the Brazilians Ronaldo (Inter and Real) and Kaka would have been better shouts
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Nedved
So much >>>>>> than Modric
So much >>>>>> than Modric
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I agree, Nedved was a different gravy, dominated games in a way i've never seen Modric do
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Have to agree, although very hard to choose between the two deserving finalists, I think Trebs has made a bad call.
Ignoring Makelele because he's not a flashy attacker like Zidane is nonsensical in my opinion, and I feel that was a big part of the decision.
Ignoring Makelele because he's not a flashy attacker like Zidane is nonsensical in my opinion, and I feel that was a big part of the decision.
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I agree that Nedved is better than Modric, no question.
But overall I stand by my decision that Bam's decision was stronger - mainly because of Ronaldinho and Zidane.
Either way I think personal preferences come into it so it is a very subjective task.
But overall I stand by my decision that Bam's decision was stronger - mainly because of Ronaldinho and Zidane.
Either way I think personal preferences come into it so it is a very subjective task.
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The actual Nedved discussion was Olly trying to have Kaka and finding a new LB, until myself and Nadz agreed the combo of Nedved and Roberto Carlos outweighed Kaka and any other fullback (Lahm already selected)
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I’d like to call a public inquiry into this abomination
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but dinho (PSG was pre 2000 mostly I think) so his barca run was 5 years? did nothing in Milan and Zizou retired in '06....the star name match-winners managed 10 years between them...not sure if that really warrants it
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Marky wrote:Have to agree, although very hard to choose between the two deserving finalists, I think Trebs has made a bad call.
Ignoring Makelele because he's not a flashy attacker like Zidane is nonsensical in my opinion, and I feel that was a big part of the decision.
It's a football museum. Its about who is perceived to be the best, and if you ask most football fans I would think that Zidane is considered to have been the better player.
I'm convinced that both will go down as great players, of course.
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is Zidane the greatest in his role? I'd argue he's not even the greatest frenchman in that role (Platini)
Makelele defined an entire position
Makelele defined an entire position
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I'm looking forward to seeing the next season with a new head honcho.
I hope it's been enjoyable, sorry if you've not agreed with all my decision making but I've done my utmost best with it
I hope it's been enjoyable, sorry if you've not agreed with all my decision making but I've done my utmost best with it
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I’d like to put my name forward to head up the next season
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Well done Trebs.
It’s a thankless task and you’ll never get it right in everyone’s eyes. But it’s the apprentice. It’s only down to what Alan Sugar thinks in the end.
It’s a thankless task and you’ll never get it right in everyone’s eyes. But it’s the apprentice. It’s only down to what Alan Sugar thinks in the end.
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I think Trebs got it spot on personally.
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I also think Trebs made the right call
Nedved was a great shout, I wrote him on my initial brain dump then completely passed him over. In reality I don't think I ever watched enough of him to be able to confidently say how good he was
For a museum, Zidane over Makelele just has to be the choice regardless of how good Makelele was. It was part of the reason I asked about whether I would need to think about how the teams worked in an actual game, if so I would have picked a DM
I'm happy to have won!!
Nedved was a great shout, I wrote him on my initial brain dump then completely passed him over. In reality I don't think I ever watched enough of him to be able to confidently say how good he was
For a museum, Zidane over Makelele just has to be the choice regardless of how good Makelele was. It was part of the reason I asked about whether I would need to think about how the teams worked in an actual game, if so I would have picked a DM
I'm happy to have won!!
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Re: The Apprentice - FINAL
Bam I think you could have easily chosen Nedved over Modric and it'd have been a far more decisive move for you, but either way congratulations mate.
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Re: The Apprentice - FINAL
Hero wrote:I think Trebs got it spot on personally.
Hero in agreeing with the minority shocker
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Hero agreeing with the winning decision is more the shocker
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