England's Indian Summer - T20s, ODIs & Tests

T20s

A three match series between the 2nd (India) and 4th ranked teams in the world https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/t20i

Fixtures

Tuesday 3rd July 2018 17:30
Emirates Old Trafford, Manchester

Friday 6th July 2018 17:30
Sophia Gardens Cardiff, Cardiff

Sunday 8th July 2018 14:00
The Brightside Ground, Bristol


Squads

England: Morgan, Ali, Bairstow, Ball, Buttler, Curran S, Curran T, Hales, Jordan, Plunkett, Rashid, Root, Roy, Willey (Malan in as cover for 1st game, Stokes may join for 3rd)

India: Kohli, Chahal, Chahar, Dhawan, Dhoni, Karthik, Kaul, Kuldeep Yadav, Kumar, Pandey, HH Pandya, KH Pandya, Rahul, Raina, Sharma UT Yadav


Key Men

Jos Buttler - move up the order during IPL has given him much more time to have an impact. While only ranked 26 in ICC rankings, this will improve now he opens.
Alex Hales - Formerly top ranked batter in T20s, has dropped a bit (to 7) and finds his place in the England side under threat.
Rashid/Ali - Englands spinners have thrived in the one day format, but will find the Indian batting lineup a tough test.

Virat Kohli - probably the best batsmen in the world across all 3 forms of the game. Some injury issues recently.
Chahal/Kuldeep Yadav - India look like going with two wrist spinners. England often struggle to score quickly against good spin.



ODIs

Fixtures

Another 3 match series between the the top two ranked sides in the world.  Both teams will be wanting to lay down a marker before next year's world cup.


Thursday 12th July 2018 12:30
Trent Bridge, Nottingham

Saturday 14th July 2018 11:00
Lord's, London

Tuesday 17th July 2018 12:30
Emerald Headingley, Leeds


Squads

England - Eoin Morgan (capt), Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Jake Ball, Jos Buttler, Alex Hales, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey, Mark Wood.



Test Series

A form of cricket in which the visitors have been much better than the hosts. The series goes deep into September as India seek to avenge the series defeat in 2014. In a manner we have become used to seeing from touring teams around the world, that series India capitulated in the final 3 tests  having won the second test to take a 1-0 lead. India however look strong enough this time out to put pressure on a faltering home test team.


Fixtures

Wednesday 1st August 2018 11:00
Edgbaston, Birmingham

Thursday 9th August 2018 11:00
Lord's, London

Saturday 18th August 2018 11:00
Trent Bridge, Nottingham

Thursday 30th August 2018 11:00
Ageas Bowl, Southampton

Friday 7th September 2018 11:00
Kia Oval, London

Tim Paine is clearly captaining India, as they made the bizarre decision to field first.

Just the 44 runs off the opening four overs.

Whats up with Hales? Presure on his place when stokes is fit getting to him?

England collapsing like a deck of cards against quality spin! Some things never change.

Buttler playing a lone hand. And not really based on his golden today, but I don't get Root batting 6 in T20s.

Limped to 159 in the end, thanks to a decent cameo from Willey. Kuldeep excellent, England need to work out his variations and quickly.

There is a some spin out there and it did start to reverse at the death, so it is not pan flat - but India would expect to ease home.

Well it was a Mauling handed out by India

as I noted  in my last comment on the other thread...India's wrist spinners pick up 6 wickets on an average per game

India has done well to put all three openers in top-3 and Kohli has dropped himsefl to 4

Dhoni, Raina and Pandya are a strong 5,6,7 although I would like to see Jadhav ahead of Raina
While ind will miss their specialist Bumrah...yadav was in super form in IPL and bowling really quick
Only Bhuvi looked off color today

Roots the guy out of form Dizzle.
Its pretty insane but he was by far our weakest senior bat in the Aus series.

Indeed Indias spinners proved the trump card. Such is the nature of T20s. Englands lack of a genuine strike bowler perhaps their undoing.

Such is the nature of T20...big performance by one Indian batsman made it look more comfortable than it mightve been.
Lets judge the teams over 3 games...England can be better than that, and 50 overs is where they really excel.

Duty281 wrote:Tim Paine is clearly captaining India, as they made the bizarre decision to field first.

Just the 44 runs off the opening four overs.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Tim Paine is clearly captaining India, as they made the bizarre decision to field first.

Just the 44 runs off the opening four overs.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Are you ok?

Duty281 wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Tim Paine is clearly captaining India, as they made the bizarre decision to field first.

Just the 44 runs off the opening four overs.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Are you ok?

Subhranshu clearly doesn’t know footballs coming home

Lions team to take on India A has been named including a good chunk of the test team ( essentialy the fit ones not playing the limited overs)
Both Bess and Leach are in...possibly playing for the test spot. Burns and Gubbins too possibly playing for the three spot ( although no Jennings...)
Pope, Fisher and Porter are the more fringe names in there.

Looks like T20 cricket is coming home first.
India on all kinds of trouble early on

Jake Ball is properly crap

Entire england top ordwr is properly crap apparently.
At 3 down and below the asking rate after 8 overs they are in the same pickle India found themselves at this stage....but still having to negotiate the a fair number of overs from the wrist spinners.
Its a modest total to chase down but England are in trouble

Thoughtful of the football to finish in time for this last few overs.

Hales with a big six brings victory within reach ...

Five balls to make six more

Never in doubt

Top effort Hales.

One game all

Pity all you lot watching that soccer stuff....the T20 is scrappy but going to the last few balls after a number of momentum shifts.
Englands day in the end butvfar from convincing despite having restricted India.

Roots dip continues. Hales delivers. Really does leave the question over who drops out for Stokes wide open. The solo spinner seemed to work OK in this game...but not so sure for 50 overs theyd go with that

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Tim Paine is clearly captaining India, as they made the bizarre decision to field first.

Just the 44 runs off the opening four overs.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...or something.

Eng did not lose too many to spin and hence got through in a close finish

seamers bowled well for India....and made it a bit tight...but batsmen didn't put too many which is generally the case if top-3 don't get a big one
Pandya and Dhoni should have given us 10 to 15 more

I think Chahl is not 100%...his fingers are taped and he is not spinning it well enoug

series alive
PS* it was a hard choice swapping between high quality Brazil-Belgium game and a masala T20 of own team

Excellent to see England adapt so well to Kuldeep. He still bowled well, but at least it wasn’t the massacre of the first game.

They made clear the one spinner thing was very much a decision based on ground dimensions - and also Moeen’s batting will be needed more in the 50 over game as he will face more balls. Don’t think there is any question he walks straight back in for that.

Read an excellent article on CricViz the other day about England’a scoring rate in T20s. Essentially they rank well scoring in the PPs, but are ranked about 14th at the death! They do need a bonafide finisher - Roy worth a go down there? Hales and Buttler to open.

Just occasionally things go to plan ... thick hedge around the front of Guildford Towers cut this morning in sweltering heat ... heading for a cooling shower ... large bottle of Stella already moved from fridge to freezer for next 20 minutes alongside a pint glass ... no tennis today so Mrs Bat hasn't hidden the remote control ... then England's t20 on tv with the only interruption being when I get another drink!

Good start by Buttler and Roy, cashing in on the short Bristol boundaries. 43/0 off 4.

Nasser suggested 170 would be par although I thought that was far too light. 210 a rough guess from me - so try to post 230 to be well ahead. As always, we'll see ....

Utter carnage. As per. India bowling too short. Only picked one spinner, I think.

22 off the 6th over.

TOY GO BOOM

Nasser says ‘slottage’ as he is down with da kids, innit.

Remember when people used to think Luke Wright was good

I was getting ready to post the Alec Stewart line that if Roy bats 12 overs, we win the game ... when he fell in the 10th. Cracking innings though putting England in a strong position. 111/2 off 10.

England 198/9 off their 20. A disappointing last few overs.

I'll stick by my guess just before the start of 210 being par. Target is certainly gettable by India. Wickets will be key for England.

Good thing England bat deep, as they have been reeled in like Australia this morning.

198/9. Probably about par, but maybe a little better than that when you factor in 'scoreboard pressure'. Either way, England will be disappointed they didn't make 220+ after that start.

Very tidy catch from Jake Ball.

Even tidier from Chris Jordan.

India bossing this on 116/2 from 11.

Yep, an Indian cruise at the moment.

England need quick wickets.

Only 7 off the last 2 overs. England clinging on.

And that really is the game now.

--India's primary objective wasn't winning but to
1) sort out their batting order / best 11 and be flexible as kohli calls it

2) Acclimatization to English conditions

BUT they won nevertheless and again in grand style today like the first game...their defeat in between was a rather narrow one

--and Ind's top 3 are 100 scorers...they used to play only two of those in the past because they are all "openers"...now they have all 3 in and while dhawan missed, watch out...he will pay back with a hundred or more likely 2 in the ODis I think.

Kohli has dropped himself to No. 4 but that's not taken away his strike rate or run scoring.....gives him lesser chances to get 100s though
I have a feeling he will bat at 4 in ODis also

--Rahane might come in for Raina in ODIs as the main change

--Pandya is a cracking batsman who can also bowl at 90mph and this is how he will play in tests also
Kohlis needs to bowl him more in tests then he did in SA

--that India did not play their top 3 limited over bowlers i.e Bhuvi, Bumrah and Kuldeep and Chahl wasn't fully fit, does reflect positively on India's depth / flexibility that Kohli is looking for

Duty281 wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Tim Paine is clearly captaining India, as they made the bizarre decision to field first.

Just the 44 runs off the opening four overs.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...or something.

Now Let's make Peace here.  Besides Congrats, Your Football team is in Semis. Though my bet is on Croatia in semis, and I would love to see France lifting the Cup.

India won their eighth consecutive T-20 series.

English team is a well balanced side. They bat deep and have quality bowlers. The One dayers are going to be exciting. I hope to see Dhawan back in form. DK didn't get a chance despite his last over wonder in Nidahas Trophy couple of months back. I hope he gets a game or two.

KP_fan wrote:--India's primary objective wasn't winning but to
1) sort out their batting order / best 11 and be flexible as kohli calls it

2) Acclimatization to English conditions

KP_f - you are much mistaken if you believe the current temperatures resemble usual English conditions.

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Tim Paine is clearly captaining India, as they made the bizarre decision to field first.

Just the 44 runs off the opening four overs.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...or something.

Now Let's make Peace here.  Besides Congrats, Your Football team is in Semis. Though my bet is on Croatia in semis, and I would love to see France lifting the Cup.

Subhu - I'm not sure that saying you would love France to win the World Cup is the best way of making Peace here.

Bit embarrassing that we gave up the series with India missing Bumrah and Bhuvneshwar. Root shouldn't be the man missing out. Morgan should be looking over his shoulder. Jake Ball is one of the worst bowlers in the history of English cricket

guildfordbat wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Tim Paine is clearly captaining India, as they made the bizarre decision to field first.

Just the 44 runs off the opening four overs.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...or something.

Now Let's make Peace here.  Besides Congrats, Your Football team is in Semis. Though my bet is on Croatia in semis, and I would love to see France lifting the Cup.

Subhu - I'm not sure that saying you would love France to win the World Cup is the best way of making Peace here.

That was different man. I should have rephrased the reply in a better way. I meant I give all my best wishes to English fans for their team is in Semis. I am a neutral observer of the Game, and last time when France was in finals I was quite excited but that didn't go well. This time I want them to lift the cup.

Besides thanks for calling me by my nick name. My close ones call me that.

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

guildfordbat wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Tim Paine is clearly captaining India, as they made the bizarre decision to field first.

Just the 44 runs off the opening four overs.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah...or something.

Now Let's make Peace here.  Besides Congrats, Your Football team is in Semis. Though my bet is on Croatia in semis, and I would love to see France lifting the Cup.

Subhu - I'm not sure that saying you would love France to win the World Cup is the best way of making Peace here.

That was different man. I should have rephrased the reply in a better way. I meant I give all my best wishes to English fans for their team is in Semis. I am a neutral observer of the Game, and last time when France was in finals I was quite excited but that didn't go well. This time I want them to lift the cup.

Besides thanks for calling me by my nick name. My close ones call me that.  

That all sounds good. I know two ''Subhus'' through work - easier to spell as well!

guildfordbat wrote:

KP_fan wrote:--India's primary objective wasn't winning but to
1) sort out their batting order / best 11 and be flexible as kohli calls it

2) Acclimatization to English conditions

KP_f - you are much mistaken if you believe the current temperatures resemble usual English conditions.

Stadiums, cleanliness, english media, travelling by team bus ( and not flights) from one venue to next.......being able to walk down from hotel for a curry or Chinese meal...... staying together and gelling as a team unit.....getting to seem some of the opponent bowlers and batsmen
there is a lot more to acclimatization then cold and pitches

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Bit embarrassing that we gave up the series with India missing Bumrah and Bhuvneshwar. Root shouldn't be the man missing out. Morgan should be looking over his shoulder. Jake Ball is one of the worst bowlers in the history of English cricket

Eng and ind by far are the two best Limited over sides in the world
and until now India showing they are marginally but clearly ahead of Eng
And I expect the same in ODIs

test matches are where Eng is 60-40 ahead ( was my original call too before start of tour)

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Bit embarrassing that we gave up the series with India missing Bumrah and Bhuvneshwar. Root shouldn't be the man missing out. Morgan should be looking over his shoulder. Jake Ball is one of the worst bowlers in the history of English cricket

Bhuvi literally played the first two games....

I agree on Jake Ball, absolutely no idea what they see in him - he isn’t quick, he doesn’t move the ball, and he is all over the place accuracy wise!

Will be good to get a fully fit Stokes back, and we miss Woakes’s bowling in the one day stuff massively

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Bit embarrassing that we gave up the series with India missing Bumrah and Bhuvneshwar. Root shouldn't be the man missing out. Morgan should be looking over his shoulder. Jake Ball is one of the worst bowlers in the history of English cricket

Bhuvi literally played the first two games....

I agree on Jake Ball, absolutely no idea what they see in him - he isn’t quick, he doesn’t move the ball, and he is all over the place accuracy wise!

Will be good to get a fully fit Stokes back, and we miss Woakes’s bowling in the one day stuff massively

I know Bhuvneshwar played games 1 and 2, but in this match they had Kaul in his second cap. Granted he's got a good IPL record but still. And Chahar on debut. Pandya was pretty average in his first over over yet somehow ended up with 4 wickets

Sam Curran could've been given a game instead of Ball

People seem to forget how bad England have been at T20s despite their metoric rise in ODIs. They still lose more game than they win, and erunning India close is pretty good going based on the last two years results.
Partly this is because they just dont take T20 internationals that seriously, summed up by Bayliss saying he doesnt think they should happen outside the woirld cup and not bothering to get involved with this series.
The lack of specilist T20 bowling also hurts England, their batting is just fine but the relative weakness in bowling got badly exposed by some big individual performances from Indian batsmen. It certainly doesnt help that 3 bowlers really arent of international standard (Willey, Jordan, Ball) but its not like Curran is Jofra Archer.


The ODI's is the really big part of the "Indian Summer" after this phoney war. In that format theres no question its the best two sides and they they will be fielding the best players available. Stokes should be back for England, but it looks like Woakes will be rehabbing and make his way back for the tests.

India are better than England in T20, I dont think that was ever really a question. ODIs ...well lets see how good they are. The differeence in Englands results in the two formats is huge. As mentioned above India have had plenty of time to gel as a squad and feel their way into the series. They should be full of confidence and able to select their best side.
No hiding or excuses for either team. For me the ODIs are the highlight series of the summer.

ODIs should be fun. Shame it's only 3 matches.

Not going to rain is it? Nah, take the 9/2 available on England winning 3-0.

Gooseberry wrote:

... For me the ODIs are the highlight series of the summer.

Goose - just to flag [again] concern as to the future of ODIs for England.

Whilst a lot (too much imo) still needs to come out in the wash, the latest view is that when the 100 franchise competition comes into being in the year 2020, these 100 ball games will be played at the same time as county 50 over games (ie RL50s or whoever - if anyone- still sponsors them). This will mean for counties hosting the 100 games, that their 50 over matches will be played on outgrounds - such as Guildford for Surrey as the Oval will be blocked out for the 100. It will also mean many county sides putting out a largely second string team for these 50 over games with their leading players conscripted to the 100.

It's difficult to see this advancing England's ODI prospects and all the more surprising given the emphasis placed by the ECB upon ODIs, at least up until next year's World Cup.