Is Mayweather really that great?

OK, he has good wins at lower weights; Castillo & Corrales.

But what's he done since to reach the top of the boxing mountain?

Marquez @147?
Hatton?
Baldomir?
De La Hoya SD?
A 40-year-old Mosley?

He's a good fighter but let's keep it real.

Well, for starters; he is at worst, the second best Super Feather of all time and was awesome at the weight.

His record there alone would be hall of fame worthy.

Mayweathers fought the top guys at every division like he's doing in his next fight. Floyd just makes the guys you mentioned look very ordinary.

You missed of the Judah win aswell one of his biggest scalps.

Most boxers become protected somewhat when they reach the top. They have everything to lose. Pacquiao is doing it now, he used to fight morales, MAB and JMM and now he's fighting Mosley clottley etc. It happens.

JMM- constant name in the P4P charts, floyd met him at a catchweight and thoroughly dominated him
Hatton- Overated?Yes. Unbeaten?Yes. P4P top fighter? Yes. You know that of he fought cotto people would be saying that floyd ducked hatton.
Baldomir- a poor opponent but, he was off the back of two of his best wins over judah and gatti. It was floyds highest purse to tht day meaning there was obviously interest in it.
De La Hoya- first fight floyd had ever had at 154lbs, Oscar wasn't weight drained and was very big. It is still to date the largest watched boxing match and generate the highest income ever so it was morerhan a good decision. He should have got a UD unless you like aggression in your fights.
Mosley- 38 year old Mosley had just beaten the "most avoided man in boxing" in margarito. He destroyed the man who people thought couldn't be stopped. Mosley was offered to pacquiao but pacquiao declined as roach said he was too dangerous. Floyd stepped up and bar one round, he completely dominated and had his hand be less fragile he could have got the TKO

Mayweathers fought the top guys at every division like he's doing in his next fight. Floyd just makes the guys you mentioned look very ordinary.
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WW
Who he avoided
Margarito, Cotto, both were much, much better than a big mouth no delivery Judah or awful Baldomir

LMW
Martinez, Williams would of been much tougher opponents than Marquez in a sham of a fight, Hatton i do give him credit for, what i don't need to hear though is that he would beat Pacquiao easily, and is better than SRL, etc, Leonard, Starling, McCallum @LMW, Duran all handle him and beat him imo. We have a lot of football fans who overrate him

he was off the back of two of his best wins over judah and gatti.
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hardly big wins, Margarito had just absolutely destroyed the dangerous Cintron and Arum offered him absolute mega bucks to fight the better Margarito

Young_Towzer wrote:Mayweathers fought the top guys at every division like he's doing in his next fight. Floyd just makes the guys you mentioned look very ordinary.
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WW
Who he avoided
Margarito, Cotto, both were much, much better than a big mouth no delivery Judah or awful Baldomir

LMW
Martinez, Williams would of been much tougher opponents than Marquez in a sham of a fight, Hatton i do give him credit for, what i don't need to hear though is that he would beat Pacquiao easily, and is better than SRL, etc, Leonard, Starling, McCallum @LMW, Duran all handle him and beat him imo. We have a lot of football fans who overrate him

Mayweather fought Marquez at WW not LM.

Also who mentioned he would beat Pacquiao easily? Bringing up something which know one was even talking about.

yes he's great..end of.

Also who mentioned he would beat Pacquiao easily? Bringing up something which know one was even talking about.
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He fought Marquez at ww when he could of boxed Martinez at lmw, a sham of a fight with a fat lightweight. Loads of people say he'll beat Manny easy, you don't dictate what i say though, so run along eh cheers, end of. Ciao

Was the Martinez fight a realistic proposition at the time of the Marquez, no it was not so stop making stuff up

Young_Towzer wrote:Also who mentioned he would beat Pacquiao easily? Bringing up something which know one was even talking about.
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He fought Marquez at ww when he could of boxed Martinez at lmw, a sham of a fight with a fat lightweight. Loads of people say he'll beat Manny easy, you don't dictate what i say though, so run along eh cheers, end of. Ciao

NOBODY should dictate what another says. This forum is for the exchange of, and debate concerning, different opinions. Please pay others the courtesies which you demand for yourself.

Thank you.

Young_Towzer wrote:Also who mentioned he would beat Pacquiao easily? Bringing up something which know one was even talking about.
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He fought Marquez at ww when he could of boxed Martinez at lmw, a sham of a fight with a fat lightweight. Loads of people say he'll beat Manny easy, you don't dictate what i say though, so run along eh cheers, end of. Ciao

At the time of the Marquez fight Martinez had just came off a draw against Kermit Cintron so what your saying is total rubbish. The best fight around the time probably was Marquez.

At the time of the Marquez fight Martinez had just came off a draw against Kermit Cintron so what your saying is total rubbish. The best fight around the time probably was Marquez,end of.
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It wasn't, Martinez is better and bigger and would of put up a better fight, how can the 'best fight around' be against a lightweight when he's a welterweight? well it can't can it, end of.

Same logic applies to your idol Manny Pacquiao does it not?

Also the fact that Martinez was never a realistic choice of opponent makes your point totally redundant

Young_Towzer wrote:At the time of the Marquez fight Martinez had just came off a draw against Kermit Cintron so what your saying is total rubbish. The best fight around the time probably was Marquez,end of.
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It wasn't, Martinez is better and bigger and would of put up a better fight, how can the 'best fight around' be against a lightweight when he's a welterweight? well it can't can it, end of.

Name 1 fight that Mayweather should of took instead of Marquez at WW.

Name 1 fight that Mayweather should of took instead of Marquez at WW.
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No
I'll name you 2
Paul Williams - can still make and could make ww then in 2009
Cintron - much more dangerous fight

If your logic is anything to go by, Timothy Bradley should fight Ricky Burns next, he's the best SFW in the world imo and Bradley will school him because he's too big

Oh yeah Williams and Cintron how silly of me forgot the overwhelming public appeal to see either fight

Young_Towzer wrote:Name 1 fight that Mayweather should of took instead of Marquez at WW.
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No
I'll name you 2
Paul Williams - can still make and could make ww then in 2009
Cintron - much more dangerous fight

If your logic is anything to go by, Timothy Bradley should fight Ricky Burns next, he's the best SFW in the world imo and Bradley will school him because he's too big

Williams had planned on moving up to LM around that time as he couldn't make the weight so once again your wrong.

Cintron a more dangerous fight than Marquez

My logic?! Take a look at your own comments and see how many people agree with you.

Young_Towzer wrote:Name 1 fight that Mayweather should of took instead of Marquez at WW.
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No
I'll name you 2
Paul Williams - can still make and could make ww then in 2009
Cintron - much more dangerous fight

If your logic is anything to go by, Timothy Bradley should fight Ricky Burns next, he's the best SFW in the world imo and Bradley will school him because he's too big

Just because they fight at a higher weight class it doesn't necessarily mean they will be more dangerous. By naming cintron I can tell you are just a floyd hater. Cintron was never an elite fighter. He, like Judah who you rate very very poorly, failed whenever he stepped up. The best win on his record is angulo, who is unproven and isn't actually very good. Also, when did cintron or his team or re fans call for cintron to face floyd. Cintron is a decent fighter but had limited skills and a small fanbase. JMM was a top lightweight, he fought at a lightweight, and although he didn't look great, his style could have caused floyd problems as he hadn't encountered it yet.

Williams fought at LMW and then jumped ship to MW. Why in gods name would he(or Martinez for that matter), go from beig two elite MWs to WWs. Floyd knew he wasn't a LMW, he took the fight vs Oscar because of the marketing value and the chance to get one of his biggest wins. When Floyd (coming out of retirement also) was aiming at JMM, Williams and Martinez where on a collision course at MW

Just because they fight at a higher weight class it doesn't necessarily mean they will be more dangerous. By naming cintron I can tell you are just a floyd hater. Cintron was never an elite fighter. He, like Judah who you rate very very poorly, failed whenever he stepped up. The best win on his record is angulo, who is unproven and isn't actually very good. Also, when did cintron or his team or re fans call for cintron to face floyd. Cintron is a decent fighter but had limited skills and a small fanbase. JMM was a top lightweight, he fought at a lightweight, and although he didn't look great, his style could have caused floyd problems as he hadn't encountered it yet.

Williams fought at LMW and then jumped ship to MW. Why in gods name would he(or Martinez for that matter), go from beig two elite MWs to WWs. Floyd knew he wasn't a LMW, he took the fight vs Oscar because of the marketing value and the chance to get one of his biggest wins. When Floyd (coming out of retirement also) was aiming at JMM, Williams and Martinez where on a collision course at MW
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all ifs and buts, but a fact is a ww shouldn't be fighting a fat lightweight, im not peeing in the wind, i think he's a ducker, thats my view, and lets be honest, i aint the only one, end of.

Cintron a more dangerous fight than Marquez laughing

My logic?! Take a look at your own comments and see how many people agree with you.
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@ welterweight, yes definitely,Cintron was a huge puncher and a title holder at the weight in the past, Marquez is a fat lightweight and had never had a fight at 147, so erm, i think that explains he was definitely a lot more dangerous, not to mention he has a much, much better dig.He's a fat lightweight, not a ww. Erm, do you think i say things so people will agree with me? no i say what i think is right, i don't care what bias people think if i don't think a ww should be fighting a fat lw, i've slated Pacquiao who i'm a fan of for fighting Mosley, Margarito, i ain't a fan of the 1 rule for someone and another for the other club. End of.

Young_Towzer wrote: all ifs and buts, but a fact is a ww shouldn't be fighting a fat lightweight, im not peeing in the wind, i think he's a ducker, thats my view, and lets be honest, i aint the only one, end of.

I can't see though how fighting marquez makes him a ducker though. If anything It makes him a genius, chose an opponent with a name that can sell the fight, an opponent who stands little chance of winning and the fans feel there may be a chance. Marquez isn't exactly a fat lightweight given his ring weight is usually 142 approx anyway. Marquez looked slow and out of sort but people fail to realize that mayweathers artel and reflexes make alot of people look slow and can make good fighters look terrible. If Williams(not including cintron here) made an offer to mayweather and there was no offers from JMM either and mayweather refused to fight him then there is an obvious dick, but none of the above happened. The only opponent I think you can make a case for mayweather seriously ducking is margarito.

Marquez isn't exactly a fat lightweight given his ring weight is usually 142 approx anyway
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I'll end what i said here, i think he's a ducker, you may not and others which is fair enough, i don't mean Marquez isn't a brilliant lightweight, i meant fat lightweight with regards to him fighting at 147, he looked fat, and slow, he isn't the fastest anyway and looked even slower on the night. That will be all.

So YT, will you eat your words when Manny makes Marquez fat again to get to welter? Love how pacnuts blasted Mayweather for making (and wouldn't even call it that as it wa Marquez who called out mayweather at the time) Marquez fight 2 divisions higher.

But now the lord thou fat head forces him up and now it's a great potential fight.

Can't have it both ways

Reborn where have you been?

On pure boxing ability Mayweather is an ATG, but I dont like the way he uses the game fighting once or at most twice a year and then going on holiday only to come back when he wants. The game is bigger then any 1 fighter but you know he is a big box office draw. Quality, quality fighter though.

Alright ONETWO,

Haven't been far, fatherhood and work have been gettin the better of me the last while back.

Don't sign in as much but always have a read.

Mayweather is without doubt a great. Name another fighter who has achieved more in the last 10-15 years, apart from manny of course.

Appriciate the fact he is goin to lace them up again as I feared we had seen the end of the best boxer of this generation. Manny is a distant 2nd on skills.

I also wouldn't deny that Mayweather should definitely make the hof, and is one of the best fighter's i've seen, i just don't like his vile rants, horrible persona and control freak attitude, as onetwoforever says he uses the game and the fans to fight 2 fights in 4 years, once or twice a year is being very generous. I am a Manny fan, but will never, ever, ever be bias, i hate that in people, they are both great fighters who i would put in the hof tomorrow.

Manny is the golden goose. I just got this feeling that Manny is believing his own hype. He is not quite the humble Manny they shove down our throats. Arum is a genius with the way he matches Manny. Cotto catch - weight, Clotty rubbish, Margarito washed up, Mosley over the hill yet Arum can sell out everyone of those fights. Manny the biggest golden goose in boxing.

Young_Towzer wrote:I also wouldn't deny that Mayweather should definitely make the hof, and is one of the best fighter's i've seen, i just don't like his vile rants, horrible persona and control freak attitude, as onetwoforever says he uses the game and the fans to fight 2 fights in 4 years, once or twice a year is being very generous. I am a Manny fan, but will never, ever, ever be bias, i hate that in people, they are both great fighters who i would put in the hof tomorrow.

Then why did you make this thread. You tried to tell us that Floyd isn't great, only good. But here you say he is one of the best fighters you've seen and is definatly a HOF. Ok, he isn't the nicest guy, he is one of the highest grossing boxers and his press conferences are normally an act to sell fights which pays off. He fights w times in 4 years because he RETIRED, he gets called out and normally answers. In case you haven't realized but outside life does get in the way of your career, and Floyd has had a terrible outside life in the last few years.

Awful article

He is a great and one of the best fighters of his generation.

Then why did you make this thread. You tried to tell us that Floyd isn't great, only good. But here you say he is one of the best fighters you've seen and is definatly a HOF. Ok, he isn't the nicest guy, he is one of the highest grossing boxers and his press conferences are normally an act to sell fights which pays off. He fights w times in 4 years because he RETIRED, he gets called out and normally answers. In case you haven't realized but outside life does get in the way of your career, and Floyd has had a terrible outside life in the last few years.
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I never made this thread, pal, believe me, read the author. I didn't ever say he wasn't great, absolutely unbelievable, lets erm think before we speak eh, Avram.

He has been chasing money fights at the back end of his career. Which has diluted his stock somewhat.

However the main complaint is that he hasn't fought Pacman. Mayweather has asked Pacman to follow the German drug testing policy and he has refused.

In my job that would get you a written warning and a suspension from your work, pending a sacking.

In my job that would get you a written warning and a suspension from your work, pending a sacking.
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lets not go down that road though, it's boring, however, as much as he is a control freak, Mayweather doesn't and never will be Manny's boss, nor dictate what the Filipino does, end of.

Mayweather is a true modern great. Has the record and skills to back that up. End of

I have to agree that Mayweather is the best in this particular era. He has taken some very good fighters and made them look ordinary.

Fact is can you find other fighters around right now that make Marquez - Shane Mosley - Baldomir wasn't a bad fighter was world level most definately - Ricky Hatton in his prime - Zab Judah who he struggled with but made adjustments like true champions do - De La Hoya - in fact god nearly every single guy he's been pitted against has not been aloud to look good and has made them all look extremely ordinary.