RWC final 19 - England v SA Match Thread - 02-11-2019 - Kick Off 09:00am

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The big one. The Rugby World Cup Final.

ENGLAND

Elliot Daly; Anthony Watson, Manu Tuilagi, Owen Farrell, Jonny May, George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Jamie George, Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje, Courtney Lawes, Tom Curry, Sam Underhill, Billy Vunipola

Replacements: Luke Cowan-Dickie, Joe Marler, Dan Cole, George Kruis, Mark Wilson, Ben Spencer, Henry Slade, Jonathan Joseph

SOUTH AFRICA

Le Roux; Kolbe, Am, De Allende, Mapimpi; Pollard, De Klerk; Mtawarira, Mbonambi, Malherbe, Etzebeth, De Jager, Kolisi (capt), Du Toit, Vermeulen.

Replacements: Marx, Kitschoff, Koch, Snyman, Mostert, Louw, H Jantjies, Steyn

Venue: International Stadium, Yokohama
Referee: Jerome Garces
AR1: Romain Poite
AR2: Ben O'Keefe
TMO: Ben Skeen

Head to Head

42 Played 42
15 Won 25
25 Lost 15
2 Drawn 2

Recent Form

16 June 2012
Ellis Park, Johannesburg
36 – 27 to South Africa

23 June 2012
Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium,
Port Elizabeth
14 – 14 draw

24 November 2012
Twickenham, London
15 – 16 to South Africa

15 November 2014
Twickenham, London
28 – 31 to South Africa

12 November 2016
Twickenham, London
37 – 21 to England

9 June 2018
Ellis Park, Johannesburg
42 – 39 to South Africa

16 June 2018
Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein
23 – 12 to South Africa

23 June 2018
Newlands, Cape Town
10 – 25 to England

3 November 2018
Twickenham, London
12 – 11 to England

[BigGee]

Clearly world rugby wanted England to lose.

England can't blame anyone but themselves if they lose, they have not played well

[Guest]

They've been outmuscled before they've been outplayed. England needed Farrell's missed penalty. Would have made it 15-12. Instead it went 18-9, then 18-12. They've never had that jeopardy on the scoreboard.

[Geordie]

Clearly world rugby wanted England to lose.

England can't blame anyone but themselves if they lose, they have not played well

You are correct but you cant compete when the ref gives a try that blatantly wasnt!!!

[mikey_dragon]

Wow

[Guest]

Kolbe magic. More danger of SA in broken field on the turnover. The perfect gameplan in the end from Rassie, but the game was closer than the scoreboard suggests.

[Taylorman]

Kolbe for POTY, well done SA.

[RDW]

This has been one of the most one sided final ever. No one expected that!

[No 7&1/2]

Oh well. Only ourselves to blame for this one.

[BigGee]

and that is that, what a great try to close it out

Sheer brilliance

[Pal Joey]

Kolbe!

POTY would be fitting.

[Geordie]

Aw well.

[Guest]

Clearly world rugby wanted England to lose.

England can't blame anyone but themselves if they lose, they have not played well

You are correct but you cant compete  when the ref gives a try that blatantly wasnt!!!

What was the issue? Forward pass? Genuinely didn't see anything more than marginal/unclear.

[Guest]

Thrashing in the end. SA dominated every area of the game.

[Guest]

Magic!!

[majesticimperialman]

Well Played SA. truly deserved to be Crown'd World Champions.

[Taylorman]

Kolbe magic. More danger of SA in broken field on the turnover. The perfect gameplan in the end from Rassie, but the game was closer than the scoreboard suggests.

No it wasn’t, while you were painting roses, England were getting smashed in every area. The worst read of a match I’ve seen here. Congrats chump.

[alfie]

Clearly world rugby wanted England to lose.

England can't blame anyone but themselves if they lose, they have not played well

True. For all the SA pressure , England have just made far too many mistakes. Losing Sinckler at the start was a cruel blow ; but since then they have let themselves down badly , I'm afraid.

Players - and Eddie - will be gutted. As are we.

Congrats SA .

[mikey_dragon]

It’s pretty obvious Kolisi is a political selection. The commentators keep gushing over it.

[Geordie]

Clearly world rugby wanted England to lose.

England can't blame anyone but themselves if they lose, they have not played well

Error

[Pal Joey]

This has been one of the most one sided final ever. No one expected that!

Have you forgotten 1999... that was even a bigger scoreline (35-12) but I take your general point, boss. It's not over yet.

[Taylorman]

Clearly world rugby wanted England to lose.

England can't blame anyone but themselves if they lose, they have not played well

You are correct but you cant compete  when the ref gives a try that blatantly wasnt!!!

What was the issue? Forward pass? Genuinely didn't see anything more than marginal/unclear.

First try looked forward to me. Both passes actually. Marginal though.

[Afro]

Too good today. They have completely out played, out thought and out fought us, and we are going to be beaten by the better side.

Well done SA

[RDW]

This has been one of the most one sided final ever. No one expected that!

Have you forgotten 1999... that was even a bigger scoreline (35-12) but I take your general point, boss. It's not over yet.

I said one of!

It's been an utterly dominant performance in pretty much every facet of play

[yappysnap]

Well done SA.

I am genuinely more gutted then I've ever been. Not just at losing, but at the way we lost. Just gutted.

[Guest]

Kolbe magic. More danger of SA in broken field on the turnover. The perfect gameplan in the end from Rassie, but the game was closer than the scoreboard suggests.

No it wasn’t, while you were painting roses, England were getting smashed in every area. The worst read of a match I’ve seen here. Congrats chump.

What is actually wrong with you? Genuinely?

[RDW]

Kolbe magic. More danger of SA in broken field on the turnover. The perfect gameplan in the end from Rassie, but the game was closer than the scoreboard suggests.

No it wasn’t, while you were painting roses, England were getting smashed in every area. The worst read of a match I’ve seen here. Congrats chump.

What is actually wrong with you? Genuinely?

Give it a rest you two please

[Afro]

I can see this finishing with a final SA try

[mid_gen]

What a day to put in your worst performance.

Sinckler going off was huge, as well, but some players have been tested and found wanting. Hopefully we can finally be rid of this myth that Daly is a top class player, he's had enough chances. Cole is well past it.

Credit to SA, they've been pretty decent, but they haven't needed to be excellent when we can't catch the ball and concede a penalty at every scrum.

[mikey_dragon]

Kolbe magic. More danger of SA in broken field on the turnover. The perfect gameplan in the end from Rassie, but the game was closer than the scoreboard suggests.

No it wasn’t, while you were painting roses, England were getting smashed in every area. The worst read of a match I’ve seen here. Congrats chump.

What is actually wrong with you? Genuinely?

Give it a rest you two please

Rich.

[Geordie]

Awful...simply awful

We gave that to South Africa.

[mikey_dragon]

Commiserations England fans. I’ll give you some time before resuming the debate!

[Guest]

Kolbe magic. More danger of SA in broken field on the turnover. The perfect gameplan in the end from Rassie, but the game was closer than the scoreboard suggests.

No it wasn’t, while you were painting roses, England were getting smashed in every area. The worst read of a match I’ve seen here. Congrats chump.

What is actually wrong with you? Genuinely?

Give it a rest you two please

Here's the thing - there's one person trolling repeatedly, and there's the other person defending themselves. Would appreciate some modding before it gets to the point please?

He's getting the reaction he wants, spoiling the game for everyone else, contributing next to nothing. It's not an equal thing.

[Pal Joey]

Congratulations SA... and Old Man Biltongbek. What a night!

Commiserations England - feel for you, the players and Eddie. They are a fantastic side; this match went against the grain of form but they came up against a Bok side we all fear.

[milkyboy]

Congrats South Africa. One team turned up and brought their A game. One didn’t. Set piece dominant, defence dominant, played some rugby when they had the chance.

As for England, we’ll you can argue they weren’t allowed to play by SA but when they look back in this they will look at unforced error after error that gave the saffers the chance to dominate.

You see it so often in team sport, you get rattled early and it spreads through the team. Didn’t get the 50:50s from the ref, but when you’re on the back foot you generally don’t.

Thoroughly beaten by a better team in the day.

[alfie]

Fantastic performance by SA

They deserved that.

But England really did have a shocker . They will see that as The One That Got Away , given the form they had coming in to the game.

Must admit I never saw that coming.

[RDW]

England will take a long time to recover from this - they'll be in shock. They were clear favourites for this game but put in such an awful performance.

SA did was SA do and did it very well!

[Guest]

Happy for you Biltong Been some tough years between drinks

[Geordie]

England are weak when it comes to the final crunch games.

They were rubbish and we were even worse.

Same old story v Ireland, Wales, Scotland.

Rubbish sh1te as usual.

[majesticimperialman]

Well played SA. clearly the better team on the day.
No complaint from me at all really congratulations.

[Old Man]

Awful...simply awful  

We gave that to South Africa.

Thanks for that.

[No name Bertie]

Well done to South Africa.  A very comfortable win in the end.  They were too strong for England.  In the end the Southern Hemisphere was too much for England (beat Argentina; beat Australia; beat NZ; lose to SA).

[Guest]

Anyway, have to say...like last week in the NZ game...not wildly out of what was anticipated.

Hate to say I told you so, but SA scored 2 tries exactly as predicted - from turnover ball against a broken field defence.

And SA's pack the difference. Just sheer forward power and, in particular, the scrum set piece.

England will feel they didn't quite get to shoot a fair shot, and without front foot ball, didn't have the experience of how to both stay in the game nor how to get over the gainline repeatedly and score tries. Again, another criticism I've made, but it's the Sarries effect - not enough practice at play in or behind a pack that's on the back foot.

Either way, England contributed very well to both the tournament and the final itself, but sheer, brute power was the difference, and the savvy gameplan to know how and when to pick England off.

Rugby's a simple game at times - very simple!

[Poorfour]

Well done South Africa. They did to England what England did to New Zealand, and ultimately won convincingly.

I think losing Sinckler early had a huge impact on the team, but right from the off they didn't look to have the intensity they had last week. It's a shame it was such a one sided game.

[mikey_dragon]

Congratulations SA... and Old Man Biltongbek. What a night!

Commiserations England - feel for you, the players and Eddie. They are a fantastic side; this match went against the grain of form but they came up against a Bok side we all fear.

Biltong can relax now. Maybe we can even change his name back?

[Guest]

England will take a long time to recover from this - they'll be in shock. They were clear favourites for this game but put in such an awful performance.

SA did was SA do and did it very well!

Only because many people, particularly in the media, underestimated SA, to be perfectly honest.

[mikey_dragon]

England are weak when it comes to the final crunch games.

They were rubbish and we were even worse.

Same old story v Ireland, Wales, Scotland.  

Rubbish sh1te as usual.

Have to admit it does seem to be a bit of a theme. Gatland made a fair point and Eddie sunk to a low level by taking a cheap swipe. Is EJ staying on?

[No name Bertie]

According to the current BBC headline: "South Africa crush England to win World Cup"

[Afro]

Seems about right tbh

[BigGee]

Well done to the Boks and bad luck to England

England peaked a week to soon and SA timed their form perfectly. Losing KS so early on, in hindsight was also devastating to them, if the England team has a weakness, it is maybe their depth at prop!

It will actually go down as a great final, won by the underdogs with two great tries putting the icing on the cake

What a tournament it has been!

[alfie]

Seems to be a theme...beating NZ in a World Cup semi-final is a bad omen for the Final

Ah well : has been a great tournament. Japanese have hosted it superbly (apart from the storm!) and England did everything right until today so gave us all a good run.

Sun will come up tomorrow.

Still gutted though.

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