PGA Tour: Phoenix Open: Notes from the Ballwasher

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My thread last week seems to have been contaminated somehow, not sure how but I, for instance, have been unable to open it since a couple of hours after I posted it.
Hopefully Davie's theory of some malicious word appearing in an ad is correct and the remainder of the board is as trouble-free as it appears.
Regardless, just a couple of notes this week in the interests of getting a thread moving:

1).A good week in San Diego for following "horses for courses" and local players - there's always good betting value to be found in keeping a judicious eye on those criteria. Certainly not foolproof but well worth consideration every week.

2).They said Leishman was the 13th Aussie to earn five PGA Tour wins. I certainly can't come up with 12 others:
Ferrier, Thomson (if they include his Open Championships), Crampton, Devlin, Norman, Elkington, Appleby, Ogilvy, Day, Scott, and I'm struggling after that! Two to go, and I must think they're older gents who I've forgotten.

3).The Waste Management Phoenix Open this week. I wonder how many pros WM sponsor other than Charlie Hoffman? Hoffman has had a lousy year or so but is one of a number of players who seem to have slumped but may be making a comeback. Steele is another. And will Bill Haas ever find his mojo again - seems to have been all downhill for him since his fatal Ferrari snafu?

4).And several others are clambering their way back from long-term injuries, Kevin Chappell among the best of 'em. Sean O'Hair has been finding some form on the Korn Ferry Tour and plays this week.
One wonders whether others will fully return, Camilo (rehabbing on the Korn Ferry), Van Pelt, Lovemark, fatties Knost & Stadler, Kirk, Hahn & Huh, Schwartzel and Luke Donald, almost all of whom are in this week's field . . . . . . .  

5). . . . . As is Dechambeau who gave himself brain surgery on the flight back from Dubai, has made a miraculous recovery and will be rushed along in Rounds 1 & 2 by Fowler and Finau, neither prolific winners, but at least like to get a move on. Rickie defends his title this week, probably a lousy price but is one of a number of course specialists here, along with Hideki, Woodland, Simpson, Steele and even Martin Laird (who must be teetering on the edge of seeing his playing "privileges slowly slip, sliding away).

6).The Seniors are rocking the casbah in Morocco with a putrid turn out from the American Champions Tour crew but a good turnout from European Tour veterans. Kinda surprised not to find Karlsson's name among them.

7).CBS unveiled their new commentating crew last week - thought Davis Love was better than I expected he'd be, but Mark Immelman is a tough listen. Quite like Trev but I'd imagine they'll be thinking long and hard about older brother Marky. I'd much prefer Matt Gogel or Oberholser but it seems Immelman has the connections. Oh well, perhaps he's auditioning to cover the Premier Golf League.

8).And, on that note, I wonder if the participation In Saudi of the likes of Koepka, Reed, Johnson and Mickelson (and perhaps some others) is linked to World Golf Group?
Anyone defecting to WGG had better not bellyache about anything or it'll be off to the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul for them.

kwinigolfer wrote:Rob Bolton seems to confirm that Luke Donald is burning his one-time "Top 25 in Career Earnings" special exemption for the remainder of this season.

Yes... Luke Donald has officially been moved from the "Major Medical Extension" category to the "Career Money Exemptions" category... Choi, Stricker & Van Pelt also committed this week out of the Career Money category...

Very disappointing field for this week's Pebble Beach action, but possibly not quite as bad for the sponsors (AT&T) as it might appear as many fan/media favourites will be there, except rolling into town with a diminished owgr ranking:

Dustin Johnson, Casey, Day, Rafa C-B, Mickelson and Spieth would definitely be in that category.

Apart from Casey and Rafa, other European interest includes Fitzpatrick, Knox, McDowell, Noren.

It'll be chilly (relatively speaking) all four days, but otherwise should be fine weather.

Bill Murray will keep the punters coming along.

Super

Brace yourself, you are going to go apoplectic. This woman is making her LPGA debut this week.

Spoiler:

Ooof,
Better get a new thread up quickly.

McLaren wrote:Super

Brace yourself, you are going to go apoplectic. This woman is making her LPGA debut this week.

Spoiler:

Mac that's no way to talk about John Daly Junior...

I don't believe that's a real person. Has to be a photoshop

True I'm afraid super. 21 year old Haley Moore, shot 7 under 66 on her professional debut yesterday at the ISPC Handa Vic Open in Australia. Perhaps had a few double cheeseburgers at dinner last night to celebrate?

BlueCoverman wrote:True I'm afraid super.  21 year old Haley Moore, shot 7 under 66 on her professional debut yesterday at the ISPC Handa Vic Open in Australia. Perhaps had a few double cheeseburgers at dinner last night to celebrate?  

Not often you see someone who weighs in stone the same amount as their age in years.
An absolute disgrace that someone has so little self respect that they allow themselves to get into such a gargantuan, ghastly state as this.
Simply has to be an American with a repulsive physique like that. Looks like a security guard I once saw at Houston Airport, a gunt so large it nearly touched her knees.

Two funny things here, she is better at golf than super and he could probably never pull her even if he wanted to.

McLaren wrote:Two funny things here, she is better at golf than super and he could probably never pull her even if he wanted to.

Loads of people are better than me at golf Mac, why would that be funny? There are plenty things I would be better at her at.
As for wanting to pull her, there are certain things called standards Mac.

Super

Your todger probably isn't big enough to make it past her thigh fat anyway.

McLaren wrote:Super

Your todger probably isn't big enough to make it past her thigh fat anyway.

To be fair Mac, John Holmes' 14 inches probably isn't big enough either!

BlueCoverman wrote:

McLaren wrote:Super

Your todger probably isn't big enough to make it past her thigh fat anyway.

To be fair Mac, John Holmes' 14 inches probably isn't big enough either!    

Funny that that's exactly why JB Holmes goes by his initials, but ironic that he still can come across as a big d1ck . . . . . . . . .

Its unfortunate that no one is as perfect as Super.

I don't know the full story of Haley, like at what age did she become so heavy and if there are medical issues involved.   But apparently  she has always been much taller and generally larger built than her peers and as a result has suffered a lot of bullying all her life.   That's bullying from boys, girls and also from parents of competitors once she started playing golf.  I suspect that there are now people telling her "don't give in to the bullies, just be yourself" when they should be telling her  "this is not healthy, you need to lose weight, I'll help you do it".    I feel sorry for her -- I think she'll have a hard time making friends on the lpga and an even harder time getting sponsors.

GPB wrote:Its unfortunate that no one is as perfect as Super.

It's not about being perfect, it's about having self respect. She is 21 and already morbidly obese. That is shameful, but all too common in the US, but no doubt "someone else is to blame" and not her own gluttony.

Her LPGA stats have her at 5'11 and a flyweight 160 lbs. Talk about optimistic. She hasn't a hope of ever being 160 pounds. She is almost certainly 230+
How do I know? I'm 5'11 and weigh around 160 lbs and I'm about as lean as you could be. She has a physique of lard and a waist clearly over 40 inches. 160 lbs my arse.

Her career, unless she does something about her incredibly unhealthy weight will be very short lived and she has no chance in the hotter tour stops. Shane Lowry will like her though as she makes him look like Karen Carpenter.

Super

If we are being charitable you have the same concerns as Plunky but somehow you manage to express those concerns with none of the empathy Plunky did. You seem to revel in the plight of fat people rather than show a genuine worry for their outcome.

Being as overweight as Haley Moore is probably a very traumatic experience regardless of whether she "brought it on herself" or not.

McLaren wrote:Super

If we are being charitable you have the same concerns as Plunky but somehow you manage to express those concerns with none of the empathy Plunky did. You seem to revel in the plight of fat people rather than show a genuine worry for their outcome.

Being as overweight as Haley Moore is probably a very traumatic experience regardless of whether she "brought it on herself" or not.

I can't be empathetic, because I haven't experienced being morbidly obese. I think you mean sympathetic, which I have no requirement to be either. She hasn't been struck down with some illness which has made her body synthesise fat out of nothing. She's morbidly obese because she ingests far more calories than she expends.
Why should I have worry for their predicament? its not like cancer, MS or a virus where the victim is generally blameless. This sort of health disaster is almost always self inflicted.
Obesity is an absolute scourge on developed nations a strain on our health services and a huge weight, pardon the pun on our taxes, and we shouldn't treat it as if the obese person deserves respect and our "sympathy". It should be treated with the same disdain that we treat smokers or any other form of self abuse which results in personal damage.
Treating them with sympathy makes them appear as if it is not their fault and that they have been "struck down" with something they don't deserve.
Everyone knows what is bad for your body. Stop treating people like her as if they are victims.
Some forms of cancer, dementia, heart disease, diabetes etc can all be consequences of being like this disgrace. Actual deserving health cases are being compromised because the NHS is being crippled by selfish people like this monster. People are very quick to blame governments for the issues in health services, but never think to blame the population for their role.
It takes no effort to be healthy, that's why I show no sympathy with this idiot.

James Corrigan's Telegraph article (and especially the headline) pretty much says anything I could say about Haley Moore, but states it much better than I could... This was written last year as she was preparing to play in the final round of last year's Augusta Women's Amateur. But those of you who somehow feel better about yourself via ostracizing somebody else, please do carry on... ...  

Ostracised and ridiculed, Haley Moore's struggle for acceptance is a damning indictment of sport's exclusivity

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/golf/2019/04/03/ostracised-ridiculed-haley-moores-struggle-acceptance-damning/

PHIL MICKELSON!!!... sheesh. Great start.

A lot of times it takes a while for the crash and burn of long flights to catch up to these guys, seen it lots of times over the weekends... Hope Phil and DJ can avoid it. Would love to see Phil put an end that conversation about getting in the US Open...

Sympathy rather than empathy for me too since fortunately I was never bullied.  But as an ex-teacher I know bullying is very real, probably worse now than it used to be, thanks to social media.  I remember teaching an unhealthily overweight 11 year old.  Her shape was just like that of her parents, not surprising since they shared the same diet /eating habits.  The parents were unconcerned.   Fortunately, the girl was blessed with a pretty face and sunny disposition which endeared her to at least some of the other girls.  If you're bullied at school but go home to the ample bosom of your family who feed you comfort food and tell you how wonderful you are, what do you think will happen ?   Haley needs help (IMO) and the people who should be helping her seem intent on using her as an example of "how to be heroic, overcome the bullies and be proud to be yourself".  So I feel sorry for her.   You're right Super, she hasn't been struck down by an illness. She has been raised this way, its the only way she knows so she's not going to change unless she gets help.

Super, your history with complaints about superficial features of golfers (some have nothing to deal with a healthy life style).

Does "Nine Chins" ring a bell?

IIRC, Laura Davies has been Plus-sized all her pro career and I saw her play in person in the mid 80's and occasionally see her TV all the time.

GPB wrote:Super, your history with complaints about superficial features of golfers (some have nothing to deal with a healthy life style).

Does "Nine Chins" ring a bell?

IIRC, Laura Davies has been Plus-sized all her pro career and I saw her play in person in the mid 80's and occasionally see her TV all the time.  

There's being plus sized and there's being an absolute whale.
This is a woman who is 21, but already in the morbidly obese category. Why are people giving her credit for riding a wave of abuse? It won't help her physical health, and it isn't showing anyone that being a fat lump can still result in being a pro golfer because at some point that is going to catch up on her, and given the abominable condition she is in at 21, how well do you think she can carry it when her knees, joints, back, heart etc have had to carry that for another 10 years.
We need to stop rewarding people for being obese by labelling them "brave" or "heroic", they are far closer to being "stupid" and "lazy". We only get one life, why on earth would you ruin it by being a tub of lard like this disgrace?
Painting the picture that it's OK to be obese is helping no one and doesn't help society one bit, and you only need to look at how damaging being overweight is to health care systems.

Being healthier is laughably easy, not expensive and can be done by anyone with even by someone with low self respect like this person.

The Brave and Heroic comments are in reference to the bullying.

You might be familiar with that topic.

GPB wrote:The Brave and Heroic comments are in reference to the bullying.

You might be familiar with that topic.

Given that she's American, and given that Americans are monstrously fat, I'm not really sure who is bullying her.
I don't think it's "brave" or "heroic" to be bullied. It's not as if you can do anything about it. So where's the bravery and heroism? In continuing to be a morbidly obese disgrace? That she was too lazy to make the tiny changes which would sort her out? Yeah, she's so brave and heroic.

What does it say about golf if you can be in that sort of shambolic shape, and still be a pro? Tells me it's not athletic, and not a sport.

If you put a fat person in front of a buffet or gave a fictional internet persona a picture of this person. Who would break first. Fat person to eat or renter to go off on his views on fat people.

BTW, when is the last time BMI was tracked on a Golf Leaderboard? Or even the copious amount of stats on the PGATour Stat package?

Last time I checked, Golf is a sport of skill of mostly skill, not optimal BMI.  

A guy I know is in great shape, works out 3 or 4 times a week, has optimal BMI and runs half marathons and full marathon a few times per year.  Not sure of his exact height and weight, but I would guess 5'9" and 150-160 lbs.

Be that as it may, he is a klutz.  He lacks the most rudimentary of sports skill sets.  He can't dribble a basketball without it going off his feet.  He can't throw a baseball. He falls if he tried to kick a soccer ball.  Not for the lack of trying as he is a big sports fan.

He would give anything to be able to break 100 playing golf, but he just lacks the coordination.

You don't have to be in terrific shape to be a great golfer.  Although far from obese, Nicklaus was never going to be able to run a 10K during the prime of his career.  He did pretty well for himself.

I don't consider my friend to be an athlete.  In a track meet, he can run circles around me.  But any sport that involves coordination, (before my accident) I would beat him every-time, and I seldom if ever exercise other than walking a couple of mile a day.  Bowling, Golfing, Tennis, PingPong, Basketball, etc.  I would beat him every time.

GPB

I think you raise an interesting point around what I call the cult of fitness and how little relation to sport it seems to have for most of those that partake in it.

It seems that many who are not actually good at playing a sport now turn to running or cycling instead of struggling with a skill based game. Running should be that bit of football (or other sport) training that you just can't wait to be over, not an actual sport itself.

One of the joys of golf is how bad people who are good at other sports are at it. As far as I can tell no other sport provides you with any help at being good at golf.

McLaren wrote:
One of the joys of golf is how bad people who are good at other sports are at it. As far as I can tell no other sport provides you with any help at being good at golf.

One of the aspects of the few lessons I have had was to hit the ball like a tennis player hittng a topspin drive. Do they still teach this? If so, there's one Mac.

GPB wrote:BTW, when is the last time BMI was tracked on a Golf Leaderboard?  Or even the copious amount of stats on the PGATour Stat package?

Last time I checked, Golf is a sport of skill of mostly skill, not optimal BMI.  

A guy I know is in great shape, works out 3 or 4 times a week, has optimal BMI and runs half marathons and full marathon a few times per year.  Not sure of his exact height and weight, but I would guess 5'9" and 150-160 lbs.

Be that as it may, he is a klutz.  He lacks the most rudimentary of sports skill sets.  He can't dribble a basketball without it going off his feet.  He can't throw a baseball. He falls if he tried to kick a soccer ball.  Not for the lack of trying as he is a big sports fan.

He would give anything to be able to break 100 playing golf, but he just lacks the coordination.

You don't have to be in terrific shape to be a great golfer.  Although far from obese, Nicklaus was never going to be able to run a 10K during the prime of his career.  He did pretty well for himself.

I don't consider my friend to be an athlete.  In a track meet, he can run circles around me.  But any sport that involves coordination, (before my accident) I would beat him every-time, and I seldom if ever exercise other than walking a couple of mile a day.  Bowling, Golfing, Tennis, PingPong, Basketball, etc.  I would beat him every time.

Jesus Effing Christ, you just don't get it do you? When has being morbidly obese like these monster EVER been good for a career in the long term?
Hilarious you mention old mans past times like Bowling, Golf, Ping Pong etc as justification for you being fat as not being a hindrance for you beating your malcoordinated mate.

Nicklaus played in a time when absolutely no one cared about physicality or health, it was all about talent. It was a proper drinking and smoking culture.

If you had the choice to be a talented sportsperson with a physique likely to lead to a long and consistent career or a fat whale with the same amount of talent but who struggles in heat, hilly courses, humidity and who can't be consistent over their career because of injuries caused by their grotesque weight, what would you pick?
Golf, despite not being as professional as other sports in terms of sports science, nutrition and athleticism is gradually catching up with other sports. Where does that leave this monster?

McLaren wrote:GPB

I think you raise an interesting point around what I call the cult of fitness and how little relation to sport it seems to have for most of those that partake in it.

It seems that many who are not actually good at playing a sport now turn to running or cycling instead of struggling with a skill based game. Running should be that bit of football (or other sport) training that you just can't wait to be over, not an actual sport itself.

One of the joys of golf is how bad people who are good at other sports are at it. As far as I can tell no other sport provides you with any help at being good at golf.  

What a complete ignoramus.

I'm never wrong wrote:

McLaren wrote:
One of the joys of golf is how bad people who are good at other sports are at it. As far as I can tell no other sport provides you with any help at being good at golf.  

One of the aspects of the few lessons I have had was to hit the ball like a tennis player hittng a topspin drive. Do they still teach this?  If so, there's one Mac.

No, that is very old school teaching. Look at a modern swing like Justin Thomas's.

He almost keeps the club face open but swings left through the ball while really turning his body. It is those two moves that square the clubface instead of a flick of the wrists.

Actually just look at Hogan swing and you will see that it isn't a new idea.

super_realist wrote:

McLaren wrote:GPB

I think you raise an interesting point around what I call the cult of fitness and how little relation to sport it seems to have for most of those that partake in it.

It seems that many who are not actually good at playing a sport now turn to running or cycling instead of struggling with a skill based game. Running should be that bit of football (or other sport) training that you just can't wait to be over, not an actual sport itself.

One of the joys of golf is how bad people who are good at other sports are at it. As far as I can tell no other sport provides you with any help at being good at golf.  

What a complete ignoramus.

Would you care to expand?

I can see Super's halo shining from here. How wonderful it must be to live such a perfect life

McLaren wrote:

super_realist wrote:

McLaren wrote:GPB

I think you raise an interesting point around what I call the cult of fitness and how little relation to sport it seems to have for most of those that partake in it.

It seems that many who are not actually good at playing a sport now turn to running or cycling instead of struggling with a skill based game. Running should be that bit of football (or other sport) training that you just can't wait to be over, not an actual sport itself.

One of the joys of golf is how bad people who are good at other sports are at it. As far as I can tell no other sport provides you with any help at being good at golf.  

What a complete ignoramus.

Would you care to expand?

Many sports develop skills that are useful in golf, for example anything which improves your hand-eye coordination, anything which improves your balance, anything which develops your muscles and core, anything which improves your posture, stamina, transferal of weight etc.

The trouble is you know nothing about the sports you don't watch from your armchair and making laughable statements like there being no skill in running or cycling shows you to be the  ignoramus we all knew you to be. Sports like running develop high twitch muscles which are important for transferring power as well as core which supports the body during the swing.
What you are claiming is akin to claiming that anyone with a driving licence (which would exclude a bus travelling person like you) could be an F1 driver, because there's no skill in it other than driving a car. Just because you have no understanding of a sport, doesn't mean there is no talent, technique or skill involved) For example, being able to read a racing line is a skill. Pacing is a skill, getting a stride pattern, foot strike etc right is a talent/skill regardless of whether you see it or not. It's certainly no less a talent than putting or reading a green.
I realise you're on a wind up, but you really are a berk sometimes.

LadyPutt wrote:I can see Super's halo shining from here. How wonderful it must be to live such a perfect life

It's not difficult to not be morbidly obese LP. This whale only has herself to blame.

Blame herself for what?

I've missed most of this l, what's her name?

beninho wrote:Blame herself for what?

I've missed most of this l, what's her name?

We are talking about the repulsive Haley Moore which started this whole topic off.

Looked her up. She's a big and tall girl. Other then that I find it hard to care. People that bullied her though, are probably massive dick$ though. In fact anyone who picks on someone because of how they look is probably a d!ck.

beninho wrote:Looked her up. She's a big and tall girl. Other then that  I find it hard to care. People that bullied her though, are probably massive dick$ though. In fact anyone who picks on someone because of how they look is probably a d!ck.

On the other hand she doesn't deserve praise or respect for becoming an LPGA pro whilst being morbidly obese.

If she wants to be heart attack in waiting, I've no problem. If she wants a long and successful career, she better take a look in a very wide mirror and make some changes, because her career is going to be shortlived and compromised with a  body like that.

You must see people who you think look ridiculous or stupid? I cannot believe someone is so woke they don't have an opinion or make a judgement on other people. For example, I was in a pub in Munich at the weekend. I saw a group of lads who I instantly identified as British, because of their scummy appearance, clothes and behaviour. Low and behold I was correct.

Oh, I make snap judgement on people and comments, usually about people I don't know and not to their face.

Doesn't mean I'm not acting like a d!ck when I do it. Picking on someone for who they look is d!ckish behaviour. I'm guilty of it.

beninho wrote:Oh, I make snap judgement on people and comments, usually about people I don't know and not to their face.

Doesn't mean I'm not acting like a d!ck when I do it. Picking on someone for who they look is d!ckish behaviour. I'm guilty of it.

I wouldn't be so insensitive to say it to her face as my opinions would no doubt be hurtful to her, but there's no doubt that it cannot be healthy or good for her long term career to be so obese, nor is it difficult for her to do something about it. It's a point worth raising, and it doesn't make you a d1ck to think that someone being morbidly obese is not a good situation to be in.

Thinking someone is morbidly obese us generally acceptable,based on the person. Calling someone repulsive or likening them to a fat whale, is generally being a d!ck. Slight difference.

beninho wrote:Thinking someone is morbidly obese us generally acceptable,based on the person. Calling someone repulsive or likening them to a fat whale, is generally being a d!ck. Slight difference.

She is morbidly obese, repulsive and a whale. I don't really care if you think that makes me a d1ck, I doubt you go through your life without ever making a derogatory comment. Stop being a hypocrite.

I literally said, I make comments about people, but also accept that snap comments on what people I don't know look like are a bit d!ckish. Anyway, your comments also make you look like a massive throbbing d!ck. But, that doesn't bother you, so its fine.

What I would like to know, is when you will share your Facebook, tinder, grindr or linked in profile, so we can all see what a mighty fube Adonis you are?

Probably shouldn't have done this but I managed to find Supers tinder profile pic.

Spoiler:

To be fair he is better looking than I expected him to be.

beninho wrote:I literally said, I make comments about people, but also accept that snap comments on what people I don't know look like are a bit d!ckish.  Anyway, your comments also make you look like a massive throbbing d!ck. But, that doesn't bother you, so its fine.

What I would like to know, is when you will share your Facebook,  tinder, grindr or linked in profile, so we can all see what a mighty fube Adonis you are?

Who wants to live in a prim and woke world like you seem to be advocating for?

No idea what the frick that means, and actually for not think you do either.

Just shout woke, because that what the other lunatics do.

I am referring to your insinuation that making a comment about someone you don't know (and that they'll never read) in reference to their physicality and the effect this has on their career somehow makes you a d!ck, and that one should instead restrain oneself and be less censorious because "that's the right on way we should all be"

Living in a world where everyone is courteous and polite to one another (or in the description of others) would be very boring.

Anyway, you admit to doing it yourself, so why are you castigating me as a "massive throbbing d!ck" for doing it when you do it yourself? Irony?