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Post by The genius of PBF Wed 15 Jun 2011, 8:57 am

Middleweight champion Sergio Martinez has to settle for facing unbeaten Darren Barker in his next fight on October 1st after the guys that Martinez wanted to fight showed no interest whatsoever in fighting him. Two fighters in particular that Martinez wanted – Miguel Cotto and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. – failed to accept Martinez’s challenge and ducked him. This hasn’t exactly pleased Martinez, who had these words to say about Cotto in an article by Dan Rafael at ESPN:

“One thing you can’t take away from Barker is he has the courage to face the best. He has the courage to face the best more than Cotto or Chavez. He has more courage than them. I am fighting an undefeated fighter. As I have always said, I am ready for anyone. Nobody else took a step forward to make this fight, but Barker did. I am very disappointed in Cotto. He has no balls to face me.”

Martinez is still hoping to get a shot at Chavez Jr. after he makes a defense of his WBC title in the fall. According to Rafael, Martinez’s adviser, Sampson Lewkowicz, has got a promise from the WBC that Chavez Jr. would get to face someone in the fall but then his next fight would have to be against Martinez. If Chavez failed to fight Martinez then the WBC would be forced to strip Chavez Jr. of his belt. However, Lou Dibella, the promoter for Martinez, doesn’t think that Chavez Jr. will be facing Martinez after he fights someone that his promotional company pick out for him. Dibella is skeptical that the WBC will honor the promise. However, even if they did, you would have to figure that Chavez’s promoter Bob Arum might have Chavez Jr. vacate the WBC belt rather take on Martinez and get blasted out in a mismatch.

As for Cotto, he’s not going to be facing Martinez anytime soon, even though Martinez was willing to fight him at 154. Martinez needs to forget about Cotto and Chavez, because those guys probably won’t get near Martinez until he starts to show serious signs of nearing the end of his career. Right now, he’s too good and those guys would both lose, and since Martinez isn’t a Top Rank fighter, Arum isn’t going to feed Cotto to Martinez like he did with Manny Pacquiao.

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Post by samevans1 Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:06 am

Bute or Kessler at Super-Middle would be more likely to fight him if he wants a top name.

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Post by coxy0001 Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:12 am

Have said all along he's allowed to move up. Naturally his handlers may think 160 is the limit of where he can, then in that case fair enough.

For me he'd beat Bute though, who without spitting blood is quite possibly the most overrated fighter in boxing today. I would love it, love it if he were to go up and dominate him to a UD.

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Post by The genius of PBF Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:19 am

coxy0001 wrote:Have said all along he's allowed to move up. Naturally his handlers may think 160 is the limit of where he can, then in that case fair enough.

For me he'd beat Bute though, who without spitting blood is quite possibly the most overrated fighter in boxing today. I would love it, love it if he were to go up and dominate him to a UD.

What do you think of Chavez and Cotto's shameful ducking of him.

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Post by samevans1 Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:27 am

I agree that Bute i massivelt overrated Coxy. I think it islaughable when anyone has hom above Ward or Froch.

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Post by coxy0001 Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:33 am

The genius of PBF wrote:
coxy0001 wrote:Have said all along he's allowed to move up. Naturally his handlers may think 160 is the limit of where he can, then in that case fair enough.

For me he'd beat Bute though, who without spitting blood is quite possibly the most overrated fighter in boxing today. I would love it, love it if he were to go up and dominate him to a UD.

What do you think of Chavez and Cotto's shameful ducking of him.

Everyone knows Chavez is a good fighter (who thought he'd win a world title eh) but quite simply never has and never will be in Martinez's class.

Cotto on the other hand is an ex top 5 P4P star whose fans are still eager to say has lots left (and a certain huggers fans trying to add credit to his victory). In my opinion he should be fighting Martinez next, sadly Arum and his handlers will promise him paydays at no risk and probably end up matching him up against Chavez in a couple of fights time or so. Cotto has made zero noises about wanting Martinez so for me doesn't want it. Mainly because he knows he gets taken apart in brutal fashion.

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Post by The genius of PBF Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:47 am

coxy0001 wrote:
The genius of PBF wrote:
coxy0001 wrote:Have said all along he's allowed to move up. Naturally his handlers may think 160 is the limit of where he can, then in that case fair enough.

For me he'd beat Bute though, who without spitting blood is quite possibly the most overrated fighter in boxing today. I would love it, love it if he were to go up and dominate him to a UD.

What do you think of Chavez and Cotto's shameful ducking of him.

Everyone knows Chavez is a good fighter (who thought he'd win a world title eh) but quite simply never has and never will be in Martinez's class.

Cotto on the other hand is an ex top 5 P4P star whose fans are still eager to say has lots left (and a certain huggers fans trying to add credit to his victory). In my opinion he should be fighting Martinez next, sadly Arum and his handlers will promise him paydays at no risk and probably end up matching him up against Chavez in a couple of fights time or so. Cotto has made zero noises about wanting Martinez so for me doesn't want it. Mainly because he knows he gets taken apart in brutal fashion.

Funny how people have Cotto as the number one at 154...Does a win over the way over the hill and shot Mayorga and a non punching unproven Foreman make you the man at 154?

Never had Cotto in my top 5 p4p...He was in my top 10 on the back of a win over a close decision over a faded Mosley though. Martinez would destroy both Cotto and Chavez on the same night.

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Post by Daz Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:02 am

I heard that Cotto is in advanced talks to face Margarito in October. Seems like a tough assignment. If he has no balls then why would this happen? Cotto has a chance to put his demons to bed, and then go after Martinez.

Sounds like a plan to me!

Chavez wants an easy defence so he can keep the belt a tad longer. He is the one with no balls. Cotto has proved time and time again that he will face anyone.

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Post by Michaels, Sean Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:11 am

What weight will Vargas come back at? That may be a decent money maker for Martinez. May also be compettitve. Decent fights always come around. Abraham is another possibility.
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Post by coxy0001 Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:14 am

Dazstarr wrote:I heard that Cotto is in advanced talks to face Margarito in October. Seems like a tough assignment. If he has no balls then why would this happen? Cotto has a chance to put his demons to bed, and then go after Martinez.

Sounds like a plan to me!

Chavez wants an easy defence so he can keep the belt a tad longer. He is the one with no balls. Cotto has proved time and time again that he will face anyone.

Why for the love of everything that is related to sanity would this be a tough assignment?

Lets go on current form shall we?

Gets annhialated by Mosley
Gets banned
Comes back from ban and looks appalling against a journeyman
Gets taken apart in 12 brutal rounds by Pacquiao

Yup - Margarito's right at the top of his game isn't he!

It's pretty much Mayorga vs Cotto again only that Cotto will get a chance to give Marg another beating he deserves and a chance of retribution as for me personally he DID have dodgy handwraps for that fight. Cheaters are perenial habitual creatures, he didn't in my mind just do it once for the Mosley fight and that's it.


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Post by Rowley Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:17 am

Coxy don't forget never write off a great fighter and class is permanent form is temporary.

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Post by Daz Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:18 am

coxy0001 wrote:
Dazstarr wrote:I heard that Cotto is in advanced talks to face Margarito in October. Seems like a tough assignment. If he has no balls then why would this happen? Cotto has a chance to put his demons to bed, and then go after Martinez.

Sounds like a plan to me!

Chavez wants an easy defence so he can keep the belt a tad longer. He is the one with no balls. Cotto has proved time and time again that he will face anyone.

Why for the love of everything that is related to sanity would this be a tough assignment?

Lets go on current form shall we?

Gets annhialated by Mosley
Gets banned
Comes back from ban and looks appalling against a journeyman
Gets taken apart in 12 brutal rounds by Pacquiao

Yup - Margarito's right at the top of his game isn't he!

It's pretty much Mayorga vs Cotto again only that Cotto will get a chance to give Marg another beating he deserves and a chance of retribution as for me personally he DID have dodgy handwraps for that fight. Cheaters are perenial habitual creatures, he didn't in my mind just do it once for the Mosley fight and that's it.


LOL Coxy - it's a tough assignment for Cotto, not for anyone else. Like most have said - he was never the same after that fight. Like I said - it would put his demons to bed and help him alot mentally. That's why it's a tough assignment for him.

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Post by Michaels, Sean Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:22 am

I still rate Margarito.
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Post by coxy0001 Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:24 am

Dazstarr wrote:
coxy0001 wrote:
Dazstarr wrote:I heard that Cotto is in advanced talks to face Margarito in October. Seems like a tough assignment. If he has no balls then why would this happen? Cotto has a chance to put his demons to bed, and then go after Martinez.

Sounds like a plan to me!

Chavez wants an easy defence so he can keep the belt a tad longer. He is the one with no balls. Cotto has proved time and time again that he will face anyone.

Why for the love of everything that is related to sanity would this be a tough assignment?

Lets go on current form shall we?

Gets annhialated by Mosley
Gets banned
Comes back from ban and looks appalling against a journeyman
Gets taken apart in 12 brutal rounds by Pacquiao

Yup - Margarito's right at the top of his game isn't he!

It's pretty much Mayorga vs Cotto again only that Cotto will get a chance to give Marg another beating he deserves and a chance of retribution as for me personally he DID have dodgy handwraps for that fight. Cheaters are perenial habitual creatures, he didn't in my mind just do it once for the Mosley fight and that's it.


LOL Coxy - it's a tough assignment for Cotto, not for anyone else. Like most have said - he was never the same after that fight. Like I said - it would put his demons to bed and help him alot mentally. That's why it's a tough assignment for him.

So you're saying you expect him to freeze? Marg's gone completely, Cotto isn't the fighter he was but he should be able to deal with an even slower, not using bricks inside his wraps, version of Marg than one he got broken down by last time out.

Unless he gets himself in trouble again and then quits i can't see how he has any issues. Sadly i don't think Marg deserves anything other than being run over by a taxi, let alone another payday. He took his beating which i thought he thoroughly deserved.

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Post by 88Chris05 Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:29 am

Would agree that while Margarito would be easy prey for just about any other belt holder at 154 lb or 160 lb, it's a bit of a tougher assignment for Cotto - though it's one I'd still back him to win.

Regardless of their careers outside of that 2008 bout between them, and regardless of their form since, we shouldn't underestimate the pyschcological side of things. Once a fighter has the wood on someone, it can be difficult for them to overturn - as an example, even if Hearns was slightly shop worn by now, I doubt many people expected him to struggle with Barkley second time round, given that, since their first fight, Barkley has been outhustled by a slightly porky and old Duran, outboxed by Nunn and also stopped in one by Benn. But still Hearns couldn't find a way past him, at least not decisively (tough fight to judge).

That said, I think Mosley and particularly Pacquiao may have absolutely beaten the last bit which Margarito had to offer out of him. Not really a fight I'd like to see, but can see why Cotto would be attracted to it.
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Post by Daz Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:31 am

coxy0001 wrote:
Dazstarr wrote:
coxy0001 wrote:
Dazstarr wrote:I heard that Cotto is in advanced talks to face Margarito in October. Seems like a tough assignment. If he has no balls then why would this happen? Cotto has a chance to put his demons to bed, and then go after Martinez.

Sounds like a plan to me!

Chavez wants an easy defence so he can keep the belt a tad longer. He is the one with no balls. Cotto has proved time and time again that he will face anyone.

Why for the love of everything that is related to sanity would this be a tough assignment?

Lets go on current form shall we?

Gets annhialated by Mosley
Gets banned
Comes back from ban and looks appalling against a journeyman
Gets taken apart in 12 brutal rounds by Pacquiao

Yup - Margarito's right at the top of his game isn't he!

It's pretty much Mayorga vs Cotto again only that Cotto will get a chance to give Marg another beating he deserves and a chance of retribution as for me personally he DID have dodgy handwraps for that fight. Cheaters are perenial habitual creatures, he didn't in my mind just do it once for the Mosley fight and that's it.


LOL Coxy - it's a tough assignment for Cotto, not for anyone else. Like most have said - he was never the same after that fight. Like I said - it would put his demons to bed and help him alot mentally. That's why it's a tough assignment for him.

So you're saying you expect him to freeze? Marg's gone completely, Cotto isn't the fighter he was but he should be able to deal with an even slower, not using bricks inside his wraps, version of Marg than one he got broken down by last time out.

Unless he gets himself in trouble again and then quits i can't see how he has any issues. Sadly i don't think Marg deserves anything other than being run over by a taxi, let alone another payday. He took his beating which i thought he thoroughly deserved.

You never know how he will react - thats why it will be tough for him. He may clam up or he might go all out for retribution. It would be good for Cotto - avenge his loss, feel better about yourself after such a crushing defeat. The first bell for the first round will be very difficult for him mentally when he see's Marg walking towards him. After that - Cotto all the way (hopefully).

It will be good for him - and I hope he destroys Tony - who i find disgraceful.

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Post by The genius of PBF Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:46 am

Dazstarr wrote:I heard that Cotto is in advanced talks to face Margarito in October. Seems like a tough assignment. If he has no balls then why would this happen? Cotto has a chance to put his demons to bed, and then go after Martinez.

Sounds like a plan to me!

Chavez wants an easy defence so he can keep the belt a tad longer. He is the one with no balls. Cotto has proved time and time again that he will face anyone.

Cotto ducked the best at 140 in Mayweather, Tszyu and Hatton and he will no doubt duck Martinez again and again. Margarito makes Cotto quit again for me so I have a feeling Cotto might retire later on this year. Cotto has so much balls that he stopped trying to win against Pacquiao after 5 rounds. Whistle

He is only facing Margarito again as he thinks he is shot...Even though the shot version makes Cotto quit again. When the going gets tough Cotto goes running and quitting.

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Post by coxy0001 Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:47 am

Don't mince those wummy words PBF!

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Post by jimdig Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:51 am

As for the thread, Martinez is desperate for some decent paydays, with 6 fights left a Cotto fight would spell the first chance of Martinez making PPV money. The Barker fight will be regular HBO, as would an Andy Lee fight, (and Bute for that matter) There is a chance I suppose that sky will rip us off and put the barker fight on PPV (probably the selling point for Martinez to sign).

As for Cotto, I think he'll challenge Martinez next year, and probably get competitively outclassed, with a knock out not being out of the question.

Chavez would be cannon fodder to martinez, Its not fair to say Cotto has no balls, the guy was a LWW, who got mashed up at welter, picked up a trinket at light middle, who Martinez now wants to step up to Middleweight for the first time.

I like Martinez, but it seems he's not looking for a challenge, he's looking for a payday. Can't blame him for that I suppose.

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Post by Daz Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:52 am

The genius of PBF wrote:
Dazstarr wrote:I heard that Cotto is in advanced talks to face Margarito in October. Seems like a tough assignment. If he has no balls then why would this happen? Cotto has a chance to put his demons to bed, and then go after Martinez.

Sounds like a plan to me!

Chavez wants an easy defence so he can keep the belt a tad longer. He is the one with no balls. Cotto has proved time and time again that he will face anyone.

Cotto ducked the best at 140 in Mayweather, Tszyu and Hatton and he will no doubt duck Martinez again and again. Margarito makes Cotto quit again for me so I have a feeling Cotto might retire later on this year. Cotto has so much balls that he stopped trying to win against Pacquiao after 5 rounds. Whistle

He is only facing Margarito again as he thinks he is shot...Even though the shot version makes Cotto quit again. When the going gets tough Cotto goes running and quitting.

LOL - I think your post belongs on your 'Miguel Cotto is overrated thread' Shantel!

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Post by wow_junky Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:52 am

Martinez - Cotto would be a great fight at 154lb.

With Cotto fighting Mayorga and now Margarito I kinda get the impression he wants to get his confidence back / earn some cash before he gets beat badly again, which is a fairly likely scenario against Sergio

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Post by The genius of PBF Wed 15 Jun 2011, 10:53 am

jimdig wrote:As for the thread, Martinez is desperate for some decent paydays, with 6 fights left a Cotto fight would spell the first chance of Martinez making PPV money. The Barker fight will be regular HBO, as would an Andy Lee fight, (and Bute for that matter) There is a chance I suppose that sky will rip us off and put the barker fight on PPV (probably the selling point for Martinez to sign).

As for Cotto, I think he'll challenge Martinez next year, and probably get competitively outclassed, with a knock out not being out of the question.

Chavez would be cannon fodder to martinez, Its not fair to say Cotto has no balls, the guy was a LWW, who got mashed up at welter, picked up a trinket at light middle, who Martinez now wants to step up to Middleweight for the first time.

I like Martinez, but it seems he's not looking for a challenge, he's looking for a payday. Can't blame him for that I suppose.

Martinez was willing to come down to 154 Whistle

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Post by samevans1 Wed 15 Jun 2011, 11:51 am

Cotto stands close to no chance against Martinez.

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Post by J.Benson II Wed 15 Jun 2011, 1:57 pm

jimdig wrote:
I like Martinez, but it seems he's not looking for a challenge, he's looking for a payday. Can't blame him for that I suppose.

I would agree with this.
I find it rather peculiar that Martinez has admitted that he isnt interested in fighting Dmitry Pirog since it wouldnt help his P4P credentials, yet he thinks that beating Barker, Chavez Jr and a faded Cotto would.

http://www.boxingplanet.net/boxing-news/item/14233-pirog-promoter-says-dibella-never-wanted-martinez-pirog.html

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Post by hitmansam Wed 15 Jun 2011, 4:09 pm

@The genius of PBF, tell me why Cotto - in the twilight of his career - would want to fight Martinez - a high risk but low reward opponent when he has (1) Margarito, and (2) Chavez Jr on the table - both bigger fights.

Cotto doesn't have ANYTHING prove - he has lost to (1) a confirmed cheater, and (2) a suspected cheater. Anyone who gives Margarito the benfit of the doubt needs to look in the mirror.

Pacquiao NEVER performed the way he is when he was fighting a few years back against Morales. UNTIL he takes the the test and performs the same as he has been, there will always be ?QUESTION? marks.

As for Mayweather - pure genius for fighting Marquez the featherweight and Hatton the super-lightweight @welter.




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Post by hitmansam Wed 15 Jun 2011, 4:12 pm

Why doesn't Martinez have the balls to fight guys like:

Felix Sturm
Cornelius Bundrage
Pirog
Cintron
Angulo
Vanes Martirosyan
Pawel Wolak

Picking on a smaller Cotto. He knows that other than Pac/May, Cotto is the no.1 PPV guy other there.

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Post by Rowley Wed 15 Jun 2011, 4:17 pm

HMS at the time Floyd fought him Marquez was no more a featherweight than I am, just because he used to fight there does not mean he will always be one because Floyd started at super feather so using your rationale it was a fight between a feather and a super feather weight. Marquez was a lightweight when he fought Floyd. Stick to slagging Calzaghe off, that never gets tired.

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Post by hitmansam Wed 15 Jun 2011, 4:25 pm

rowley, what are you talking about? Juan Manuel Marquez is a career featherweight. @135, he's a small lightweight. He's beat who at lightweight? An old Casamayor, a fat Diaz and stopped a limited Katsidis. It's over when Pacquiao gets his hands on him. Katsidis simply doesn't belong above and beyond 135.

Mayweather has his hands full against Ortiz - a fight which will prove he is NOT unbeatable.

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Post by hitmansam Wed 15 Jun 2011, 4:26 pm

**MARQUEZ simply doesn't belong above and beyond 135.

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Post by Rowley Wed 15 Jun 2011, 4:29 pm

Never argued he did belong above 135 the point I was making was calling him a featherweight is patently as ridiculous as calling Floyd a super feather, Marquez was operating and winning at lightweight at the time he fought Floyd, therefore is a lightweight.

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Post by hitmansam Wed 15 Jun 2011, 4:31 pm

rowley, as you know, lightweights like Mosley and Duran have made the jump to welter and won. But Marquez is a great small man, @147 he will be beat up by Pacquiao. The fact Mayweather didn't stop is mind boggling.


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Post by Rowley Wed 15 Jun 2011, 4:33 pm

Again will make the point that at no point have I argued Marquez will or can be effective at welterweight. You said Floyd fought a featherweight in Marquez, as Marquez was fighting and winning at lightweight and in all reality probably could not have made feather weight at the time the comment was nonsense, his effectiveness at welter is completely irrelevant to the point I am making

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Post by The genius of PBF Wed 15 Jun 2011, 4:53 pm

Marquez would beat Cotto at 147...skills pay the bills

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Post by Bob Wed 15 Jun 2011, 4:59 pm

hitmansam wrote:Why doesn't Martinez have the balls to fight guys like:

Felix Sturm
Cornelius Bundrage
Pirog
Cintron
Angulo
Vanes Martirosyan
Pawel Wolak

Picking on a smaller Cotto. He knows that other than Pac/May, Cotto is the no.1 PPV guy other there.

Picking on poor little Cotto? Is he a 154lb champ and number one or not? I wasn't aware that fighters shouldn't fight guys the same weight class who are shorter than them.....

Same bull**** that Manny used when he wouldn't face Martinez at 154lbs yet professed to be an eight weight champ and belt holder at 154lbs.

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Post by The genius of PBF Wed 15 Jun 2011, 5:01 pm

hitmansam wrote:@The genius of PBF, tell me why Cotto - in the twilight of his career - would want to fight Martinez - a high risk but low reward opponent when he has (1) Margarito, and (2) Chavez Jr on the table - both bigger fights.

Cotto doesn't have ANYTHING prove - he has lost to (1) a confirmed cheater, and (2) a suspected cheater. Anyone who gives Margarito the benfit of the doubt needs to look in the mirror.

Pacquiao NEVER performed the way he is when he was fighting a few years back against Morales. UNTIL he takes the the test and performs the same as he has been, there will always be ?QUESTION? marks.

As for Mayweather - pure genius for fighting Marquez the featherweight and Hatton the super-lightweight @welter.




First off Martinez is a BIGGER fight than Chavez and Margarito and was willing to come down to 154 pounds but the so called warrior Cotto ducked him like he ducked the best at 140.

Making excuses for your fighters loses? Don't see Cotto TAKING THE TEST!

Floyd Mayweather is a pure genius pound for pound number one something Cotto never has been and never will be and at least had the balls to fight Hatton unlike Cotto. Cotto NEVER been the man at 140,147 and 154.

Calzaghe a superior fighter to him and has been the man at 168 and 175...Has better wins then Cotto in Kessler and Hopkins.

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Post by The genius of PBF Wed 15 Jun 2011, 5:05 pm

hitmansam wrote:Why doesn't Martinez have the balls to fight guys like:

Felix Sturm
Cornelius Bundrage
Pirog
Cintron
Angulo
Vanes Martirosyan
Pawel Wolak

Picking on a smaller Cotto. He knows that other than Pac/May, Cotto is the no.1 PPV guy other there.

Martinez has beaten Pavlik and Williams who are superior to the fighters on the list you named but nice try. Oh by the way Martinez has faced Cintron and got robbed in a draw. Vanes Martirosyan is a 154 pound guy? Another fighter Cotto ducked? Martinez has already proved he has more BALLS than Cotto!

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Post by hitmansam Wed 15 Jun 2011, 5:36 pm

**Marquez would beat Cotto at 147...skills pay the bills

I think that comment says it all.

Cotto technically became the unified champ @147 when he beat Clottey. Let's not forget that Clottey was forced to vacate.

At 140, Hatton beat an old Tszyu and then all of Cotto's leftovers.

Cotto's career defining win over a 2007 Mosley is better than anything Calzaghe achieved.

You better pray Ortiz doesn't beat Mayweather because there's a real chance he'll get run close.


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Post by Rowley Wed 15 Jun 2011, 5:39 pm

Cotto's career defining win over a 2007 Mosley is better than anything Calzaghe achieved.
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Yeah but Mosley is a lightweight.

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Post by hitmansam Wed 15 Jun 2011, 5:46 pm

A lightweight who jumped from lightweight to welter and ... WON.

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Post by Rowley Wed 15 Jun 2011, 5:47 pm

As Marquez is a featherweight who moved up to lightweight and...WON.

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Post by The genius of PBF Wed 15 Jun 2011, 5:48 pm

hitmansam wrote:**Marquez would beat Cotto at 147...skills pay the bills

I think that comment says it all.

Cotto technically became the unified champ @147 when he beat Clottey. Let's not forget that Clottey was forced to vacate.

At 140, Hatton beat an old Tszyu and then all of Cotto's leftovers.

Cotto's career defining win over a 2007 Mosley is better than anything Calzaghe achieved.

You better pray Ortiz doesn't beat Mayweather because there's a real chance he'll get run close.


Margarito or Mosley were the CHAMP at 147, Cotto was a paper champion...We can call Cotto the unified paper champ even in the Clottey fight Clottey got robbed.

At 140 Cotto ducked Hatton, Tszyu and Floyd Mayweather. Cotto struggled with Malignaggi and gut hurt by him. laughing

Cotto career defining win was over a faded champ that he barely beat 115 -113. Calzaghe beat Hopkins who is a better P4P fighter and was ranked in the top 5 when Calzaghe beat him. Hopkins is a better win than Mosley. Calzaghe was the lineal champ at 168 and 175 something Cotto has never achieved in his career and probably never will. Calzaghe has achieved way more than Cotto.

Marquez does beat the quitter Cotto at 140 or 147. Marquez beat Pacquiao twice someone Cotto stopped trying to beat.

I don't need to pray for anything most people know Mayweather beats Ortiz with ease.

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Post by hitmansam Wed 15 Jun 2011, 6:01 pm

OK.

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Post by J.Benson II Wed 15 Jun 2011, 7:09 pm

The genius of PBF wrote:
hitmansam wrote:@The genius of PBF, tell me why Cotto - in the twilight of his career - would want to fight Martinez - a high risk but low reward opponent when he has (1) Margarito, and (2) Chavez Jr on the table - both bigger fights.

Cotto doesn't have ANYTHING prove - he has lost to (1) a confirmed cheater, and (2) a suspected cheater. Anyone who gives Margarito the benfit of the doubt needs to look in the mirror.

Pacquiao NEVER performed the way he is when he was fighting a few years back against Morales. UNTIL he takes the the test and performs the same as he has been, there will always be ?QUESTION? marks.

As for Mayweather - pure genius for fighting Marquez the featherweight and Hatton the super-lightweight @welter.




First off Martinez is a BIGGER fight than Chavez and Margarito

Given what happened in their first fight and the events that followed, I would argue that a re-match with Margarito would be the most lucrative fight for Cotto.

Therefore, I can't blame Cotto for taking on Margarito instead of Martinez, which would have provided far more risk with possibly less reward.

Besides, I find Martinez's words a bit hypocritical when its fairly obvious that he himself is clearly looking for an opponent that will provide the biggest pay day, rather than the biggest challenge.

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Post by Lumbering_Jack Wed 15 Jun 2011, 7:33 pm

Hitmansam is D4esque with his love of Cotto.

Does anyone else find it strange that D4 leaves (and started editing all his comments to deleted) and Hitmansam comes along with an obsession with one fighter and a hatred of another?

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Post by hitmansam Wed 15 Jun 2011, 8:04 pm

Cotto is a warrior who fights well and fights the best. ANY fighter like him should be admired. I like Hopkins and Froch just as MUCH.

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Post by The genius of PBF Wed 15 Jun 2011, 8:25 pm

hitmansam wrote:Cotto is a warrior who fights well and fights the best. ANY fighter like him should be admired. I like Hopkins and Froch just as MUCH.

Cotto is such a "warrior" he quit against Margarito and stopped trying to win against Pacquiao plus he quit again in that fight. Cotto ducked fighting the best in Tszyu, Hatton and Floyd Mayweather at 140. He again ducked Martinez at 154 and avoided facing the best boxer of all time in Floyd Mayweather. Why should anyone admire a quitter and ducker? Froch and Hopkins never quit in any of their fights.

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Post by Young_Towzer Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:05 pm

and avoided facing the best boxer of all time in Floyd Mayweather
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Post by Young_Towzer Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:06 pm

seems so me like a bit of an obsession with Miguel going on here, Cotto's fighting Margarito on December 3rd, Martinez is a middleweight, and the best in the world at that, why is it Cotto's obligation to fight Martinez when he has a fight with Margarito lined up for December 3rd? mmmm. Also if Cotto's ducking him, why couldn't Mayweather fight Martinez? mmmm. Martinez had just won the world middleweight title, when Cotto had just won the world light middleweight title, mmmm.

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Post by BALTIMORA Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:14 pm

This saga has more twists and turns than a bad spy movie.

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Post by Young_Towzer Wed 15 Jun 2011, 9:22 pm

This saga has more twists and turns than a bad spy movie.
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who's making the articles though baltimora?
first we had Cotto's overrated, then its Cotto's got no balls, then it's Cotto's a quitter mmm ob-se-ss-io-n in my eyes, end of. 8)

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