Wlad vs Ross Puritty and Corrie Sanders

Over the past few days I've re-watched the Ross Puritty and Corrie Sanders a number of times. To me Wlad looks a completely different fighter to the present day one, not just in his boxing style but in his body - he looks far more comfortable. He really was quite reckless in those fights and was very open. Does anyone think if the present day Wlad fought a prime Sander, Puritty or Brewster he would come unstuck now?

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Yes I do.....

Sanders was a southpaw who was dangerous and quick with that left hand..

Who has Vlad beat!!!!

Easy to say he's changed but he hasn't beaten anybody...

I lost my last fight by being rocked more times than Olivier newton John in GREASE!!!!

Though...I'm sure If I fought an oompa lumpa out of Charlie in the Chocolate factory soon after.....people would have said wow THE TRUSSMAN looks better than ever....

Sanders was dangerous!! Vlad has very few dangerous guyas on his cv..

Sanders was a dangerous guy. Southpaw, good puncher and no fear. He destroyed wlad and he even had vitali on wobbly legs at one stage. I don't think wlad of today would get quite so humiliated, but he'd still be at risk of the heavy overhand left. Since those fights he's improved hugely, but he still has an innate dislike of getting hit as is a 100% boxer and 0% fighter. Haye is the most dangerous opponent he's faced since sanders. He's fought a couple of punchers but none of them with any speed or athleticism to make it count. Wlad is a bit like Bruno in that he goes to pieces when he's hurt. He's kept a rigid style to prevent that from happening, and it's worked for 7 years, but if haye can somehow manage to land a series of heavy punches we will see wlad fall apart again, guaranteed, it's just a case of whether haye can get to him or not.

Still as stiff as he ever was.....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Still as stiff as he ever was.....

Got his PEDs mixed up with the Viagra.

Fortunately I've never suffered from erectile disfunction - touch wood.

Wlad beats Puritty now but the Sanders of 2003 would still knock him out...only difference is Wlad might last a bit longer.

Told your Mrs not to call the kid TRUSSY Jr....

Just in case you twigged..

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Still as stiff as he ever was.....

Got his PEDs mixed up with the Viagra.

Fortunately I've never suffered from erectile disfunction - touch wood.

Aww TRUSSY, you've confused, HAVING a massive bell end with BEING a massive bell end!

Why not give your father-in-law you early Peter North dvd collection....his suspicions will soon be confirmed!

For a minute I thought he was going to post something Boxing related....

Then again for a minute I thought Bruno was going to beat Tyson!!

Sorry TRUSS couldn't understand your muffled speech what with you performing the incredibly convoluted trick of talking out of your bum whilst having your head rammed up it and PBF's todger down your gullet.

Sugar Boy, Sanders never had Vitali on wobbly legs, but what he did have was Vitali scampering backwards around the ring like a startled fawn after throwing a punch at the big lad's head.

I almost wept at how far the HW division had fallen so soon after Lewis retired. "Really, is this the best they can manage. A man not good enough to beat an aging unmotivated Lewis struggling to get to grips with a guy who annihilated his brother and now looks like he's taken a page out of Roberto Duran's training manual?"

I love how people criticise Haye for fighting an over the hill Ruiz (39) but think that redemption lies in fighting Vitali (40). Brilliant!

Boxing comments for ya Chunky. Now shut up and go to bed

DAVE667 wrote:Sorry TRUSS couldn't understand your muffled speech what with you performing the incredibly convoluted trick of talking out of your bum whilst having your head rammed up it and PBF's todger down your gullet.

Sugar Boy, Sanders never had Vitali on wobbly legs, but what he did have was Vitali scampering backwards around the ring like a startled fawn after throwing a punch at the big lad's head.

I almost wept at how far the HW division had fallen so soon after Lewis retired. "Really, is this the best they can manage. A man not good enough to beat an aging unmotivated Lewis struggling to get to grips with a guy who annihilated his brother and now looks like he's taken a page out of Roberto Duran's training manual?"

I love how people criticise Haye for fighting an over the hill Ruiz (39) but think that redemption lies in fighting Vitali (40). Brilliant!

Boxing comments for ya Chunky. Now shut up and go to bed

I warned you and now I will report you...hopefully they will do the decent thing a kick you off here.

Let's hope so eh? Anything to rid me of the meddlesome little boy you are.

Given they've already banned you once yet were lax enough to allow you back on here, I suppose anything's possible.

Oh, and while you're at it you might want to contemplate the irony and hypocrisy of laughing at me wanting people like you banning yet doing the same thing yourself. I doubt that little nugget will sink in for a while though

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Yes I do.....

Sanders was a southpaw who was dangerous and quick with that left hand..

Who has Vlad beat!!!!

Easy to say he's changed but he hasn't beaten anybody...

I lost my last fight by being rocked more times than Olivier newton John in GREASE!!!!

Though...I'm sure If I fought an oompa lumpa out of Charlie in the Chocolate factory soon after.....people would have said wow THE TRUSSMAN looks better than ever....

Sanders was dangerous!! Vlad has very few dangerous guyas on his cv..

Ibragimov - skilled good world champ, unified titles, outclassed him
Chagaev, skilled, good unbeaten world champ, destroyed him
Peter, dropped 3 times proves his heart to outbox the hard hitting good young fighter who goes on to win a world title
Has beaten everyone put in front of him. Does this mean Mayweather and Pacquiao aint great because they haven't got the golden generation of welters in front of them like Hearns, Leonard, etc? don't make me laugh. I can't believe Wlad is just getting the p4p recognition he deserves, he's done it for years and beat everyone asked. Quality fighter

DAVE667 wrote:Let's hope so eh? Anything to rid me of the meddlesome little boy you are.

Given they've already banned you once yet were lax enough to allow you back on here, I suppose anything's possible.

Oh, and while you're at it you might want to contemplate the irony and hypocrisy of laughing at me wanting people like you banning yet doing the same thing yourself. I doubt that little nugget will sink in for a while though

You break house rules on a regular basis in my opinion. Treat posters with respect and you will get respect back.

I think you will find the irony and hypocrisy is on your part, you call posters to be banned yet you insult other posters and break the house rules.

Laughing at a comment and a insulting another poster is 2 different things...hopefully that sinks in for you.

Either stay on topic or don't comment at all it really is very simple, getting very silly that this discussion is carrying over many threads at the same time

Go on to the pub thread and rip eachother to shreds by all means but show a bit of respect to the OP and discuss the topic he asked about

Dave i wouldn't rise to the bait mate, pardon the rap.

Thanks IG, my thoughts exactly.
Lets do that shall we?

Young_Towzer wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Yes I do.....

Sanders was a southpaw who was dangerous and quick with that left hand..

Who has Vlad beat!!!!

Easy to say he's changed but he hasn't beaten anybody...

I lost my last fight by being rocked more times than Olivier newton John in GREASE!!!!

Though...I'm sure If I fought an oompa lumpa out of Charlie in the Chocolate factory soon after.....people would have said wow THE TRUSSMAN looks better than ever....

Sanders was dangerous!! Vlad has very few dangerous guyas on his cv..

Ibragimov - skilled good world champ, unified titles, outclassed him
Chagaev, skilled, good unbeaten world champ, destroyed him
Peter, dropped 3 times proves his heart to outbox the hard hitting good young fighter who goes on to win a world title
Has beaten everyone put in front of him. Does this mean Mayweather and Pacquiao aint great because they haven't got the golden generation of welters in front of them like Hearns, Leonard, etc? don't make me laugh. I can't believe Wlad is just getting the p4p recognition he deserves, he's done it for years and beat everyone asked. Quality fighter

Whilst I agree that Wlad deserves recognition for his current title reign, and agree that he may be underrated in some circles, I feel some of the statements you've made are on the generous side.

Ibragimov was a distinctly average champion. He was woeful when he fought Ray Austin, who Wlad dealt with comfortably. Won the title from Briggs, who big punch aside, was pretty poor. He had solid fundamentals from his amateur days, but has never shown anything to suggest he could ever live with the Wlad or Vitali's of this world.

Chagaev, again good amateur pedigree, but on the small side in comparison to Wlad. No-one would ever say he had the fastest hands in the world, and his punching power was mediocre. Personally i feel his style was made for Wlad.

Peter, wasn't blessed with really any great skills, but was a rough guy, good chin and a good dig if he could land it. But hes since gone onto show that hes a limited fighter.

I think we can all agree that the fighters around welterweight for the past few years are of a higher calibre than most of the guys in the heavyweight division.

Good article Geoff, i've never had the chance to see the Purity fight so can't really comment, but i believe Sanders could still cause problems. As has been said he had a wicked straight left out that southpaw stance and he was quite good with the hooks, better conditioned and a decent promoter, Sanders maybe could have done something. I agree that Wlad is a different beast than he was back then and he's a lot more relaxed in the ring, not sitting back with a cigar which someone seemed to think i was saying yesterday, but not as tense and doesn't look like a deer caught in headlights when pressured. Sanders has the style to cause problems and he very well could defeat the newer version of Wladimir again.

[quote="GeoffSnapes"]
Sir. there was nothing to the Sanders fight. It was essentially over in the first round with the unintential headbutt that preceded the first punch that downed Mr. Wlad.[/b]

I just watched it again, frame by frame, and I'd have to disagree.

The heads came together, ( Wlad's head providing the momentum, incidentally, ) but it was merely a grazing affair, and Klitschko's legs most certainly did not wobble at that point. The knockdown was entirely attributable to a punch, in my view.

No shame in that, of course, and the majority of heavyweight champions shipped a kayo loss along the way. I'd take the view that Wlad has improved immeasurably since that setback, and I shall be very surprised if Haye can replicate the trick.

What a complete.......(fill in the blank)

Yep the headbutt ended the fight....

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What a complete.......(fill in the blank)

Yep the headbutt ended the fight....

'waste of organs'?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What a complete.......(fill in the blank)

Yep the headbutt ended the fight....

Irritating gobshite?

It was basically conditioning that let Wlad down for the Purrity and Brewster fights. I would seriously doubt Haye has the ability to absorb the kind of punishemnt that any of the fighters who put Wlad down could withstand. For that reason I would dismiss the Brewster and Purrity fights offhand.

The Sanders fight was a case of a fighter being caught cold early and not really recovering. However it did show the vulnerabilty to the overhand left that can be exploited.

I agree with Haye that its not that improtant to analyize Wlads losses and that he would prefer to focus on analysing Wlad at his best. The losses were some time ago. Sanders was "dangerous" but hes no better than a good half dozen of the fighters Wlad has beat since. Trying to insinuating Wlad has not beaten someone of Sanders calibre since is pretty ridiculous.

Haye has to base a gameplan reliant on avoiding punishment which is something no other heavyweight has come close to acheiving.

Wlad on the other hand has to cope with an opponent who will be deliberately far more elusive than anything he has faced.

My concern for Haye is that even if he is elusive, even if Wlad has limited success landing the jab, the chances are hes still banking the round as the guy coming forward and holding the ring. Even the jab missing still disrupts Haye and prevents him from launching his own attacks. You simply have to beat the jab to beat Klitschko. Avoiding it is not enough. You have to get inside and get your own offence going. This is where the problem lies for Haye. I dont doubt he could lead Wlad on a merry chase for 12 rounds and make him hit alot of fresh air but all that does is hand Wlad a UD as far as I can see.

Against Valuev I though he only won 3 rounds decisively with a fair number being "nicked". Its going to be even harder against Wlad who has a better jab and is harder to hit than Valuev.

I don't think Wlad has beaten anyone who's better than Sanders Manos, unlike most heavyweights he was a dangerous guy to face

Good summation Manos.....The reach and the jab are the big factors that count against haye...

Will Haye be busy enough with his flurries to take the rounds??? (Even he doesn't land the pay off!) As klitsy will be piling up points with his jab in Germany!!

Also what happens when haye tastes the right and he will..

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I don't think Wlad has beaten anyone who's better than Sanders Manos, unlike most heavyweights he was a dangerous guy to face

Fair enough, I disagree. Chambers, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Peter would all be in a similar bracket in my view. If Wlads chin is as bad as most think then virtually any heavyweight should be dangerous for him.

Haye has a lot more snap in his punches...

In fairness to ghost..Sanders was quicker and more aesthetic than all the guys you mention.....more snappy too...

I'd pick Sanders to beat the guys you mentioned every single day, Chagaev is probably the best of the four you mentioned but with his ongoing health issues with hepatitis its hard to judge how much he has left

Because he was a southpaw and hit hard I would say Sanders would be more of a threat to Wlad. But overall I dont think hes significantly much better than 5/6 guys Wlad have beat. Its not easy to judge though. His only real world level win was that stoppage over Wlad but he was stopped himslef against Vitali and Rahman. Its a similar story with many of the others. I see them as being in the same kind of bracket. I dont think Sanders had the pedigree of Ibragimov or Chagaev but he had more power and quicker hands.

I still think both Haye and Klitschko have certain question marks over their condition for what its worth.

Klitschko as a big guy who pumps out the jab with regularity it expends so much energy. Against an opponent he has to chase more he may find it tough late on.

Haye has done 12 against Valuev but wasnt really absorbing any punishment. He may find the pace of having to play hide and seek with Wlad late on alot more tiring. Especially if he has to eat his share of jabs.

[quote="Perfessor Albertus Lion V"]

GeoffSnapes wrote:
Sir. there was nothing to the Sanders fight. It was essentially over in the first round with the unintential headbutt that preceded the first punch that downed Mr. Wlad.[/b]

I just watched it again, frame by frame, and I'd have to disagree.

The heads came together, ( Wlad's head providing the momentum, incidentally, ) but it was merely a grazing affair, and Klitschko's legs most certainly did not wobble at that point. The knockdown was entirely attributable to a punch, in my view.

No shame in that, of course, and the majority of heavyweight champions shipped a kayo loss along the way. I'd take the view that Wlad has improved immeasurably since that setback, and I shall be very surprised if Haye can replicate the trick.

~ I should like to report this above transmogrification of identity to the mods/\ /\

Not that I nor any serious boxing fan needs protection from the silly soliloquies of BarneyWorld blarney.

[quote="Perfessor Albertus Lion V"]

Perfessor Albertus Lion V wrote:

GeoffSnapes wrote:
Sir. there was nothing to the Sanders fight. It was essentially over in the first round with the unintential headbutt that preceded the first punch that downed Mr. Wlad.[/b]

I just watched it again, frame by frame, and I'd have to disagree.

The heads came together, ( Wlad's head providing the momentum, incidentally, ) but it was merely a grazing affair, and Klitschko's legs most certainly did not wobble at that point. The knockdown was entirely attributable to a punch, in my view.

No shame in that, of course, and the majority of heavyweight champions shipped a kayo loss along the way. I'd take the view that Wlad has improved immeasurably since that setback, and I shall be very surprised if Haye can replicate the trick.

~ I should like to report this above transmogrification of identity to the mods/\ /\

Not that I nor any serious boxing fan needs protection from the silly soliloquies of BarneyWorld blarney.

Please tell me you do not talk like that in real life Perfessor...

Sad thing is no one could tell the difference mate..

baloney replaced with baloney.

Perfessor Albertus Lion V wrote:I should like to report this above transmogrification of identity to the mods/\ /\

Not that I nor any serious boxing fan needs protection from the silly soliloquies of BarneyWorld blarney.

Not entirely sure what happened there, Albert, or how your original comment became so transfigured. Best thing would be for you to use the ' edit ' function and re write the message or, if you'd prefer, I could delete the compromised message and you can re submit it.

Just let me know if you'd like me to.

Haye isn't similar to any of those guys. He has a different style and despite what he says i don't think he will do that much attacking. Klitschko has a banker with his powerful jab, Haye just needs to go for it, people keeping saying about Wlad coming out of his comfort zone and swinging for Haye as a good thing? a couple of right hands hands from Klitschko and it will be all over earlier than normal. Haye needs to get in and out, attack in spells and run in others, of course he could catch Wlad but he has less heavyweight experience and imo can be a bit wreckless. If he goes down from Mormeck and Thompson then he'd lose his head literally after a few hard rights from Wladimir. They've both had bad losses. Which makes this so fascinating, i can't wait but i say Klitschko wins this with a 5th round KO.