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Post by Driver Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:21 am

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Post by Driver Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:40 am

He is Arry , I'm 99% certain that he is involved and iv heard his meant to be skipper
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Post by dammit_chris Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:44 am

Any keen cyclists in the group? If so would you like to take part in Rainforest Life Funding's European Cycling Challenge, which looks to cover close to 700 miles in just four days. Competiting in teams of four you will set off from St Pauls Cathedral, London at the start of a four day cycle relay to Milan. All funds raised go towards protecting threatened habitat and endangered species.

For more info please email chris.livemore@ibexearth.com - would be great to get a 606v2 team in the challenge! I m,ust also stop doing stupid sporting events to raise money - havent started training yet!

EUROPEAN LEG - LONDON TO MILAN

Date Route Details Distance(Miles)* Distance (KM)*
Wednesday 28 September London to Newhaven Cycle 55 88
New Haven to Dieppe Ferry - -
Dieppe to Paris Cycle 101 163
Thursday 29 September Paris to Dijon Cycle 180 291
Friday 30 September Dijon to Sion Cycle 172 278
Saturday 1 October Sion to Milan Cycle 184 297
Total Distance 692 1117

*Reflects shortest distances (recommended route may increase total distance (e.g. to avoid busy or dangerous road layouts)


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Post by dammit_chris Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:54 am

Pete - am definitely suggesting that the Aussies moved Giteau out of defence to accomodate Cooper. They've never done it with him before in any test match and he's more than handled the Pacific Islanders before. The commentators made a massive deal about it after around 15-20mins of the game saying how Ioane was being moved across to cover, because 'Cooper gets moved out of harms way'.

Its obvious what tehy are doing - Giteau can tackle as well as a fly half is expected to, so what other explanation is there?

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:06 am

Right, who's around for some deals?

The following Saracens players are definitely available..

George Chuter
Tom Mercey
James Scaysbrook
James Short
Ollie Smith
Alex Grove
Seilala Mapusua
Max Lahiff
Phil Swainston
Ruaridh Murphy
Jacob Rowan
Rodney So'oialo

All other players may be available on request.

I am looking for a good hooker not going to the WC, a tighthead and an outside centre.
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:15 am

This weeks game thread guys:-
https://www.606v2.com/t9720-fixtures-5

Have worked out fixtures for the rest of the summer and sorry to say not everyone will get the chance to play each other due to a duplicate match that already happened Sorry

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:17 am

Nice one SJE. thumbsup
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:06 am

No worries pete mate will post a page up with the matches I have worked out so whoevers doing the weeks games can just take them from there. Apologies to those who will have to play duplicates. thumbsup

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Post by stnick88 Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:56 am

driver can you respond to my foreign bid please?

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Post by Driver Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:47 am

Hi guys

Had a world wind of a monday

1)Have to buy new shirt and tie for Job interview on thursday - so bricking for that.

2)Got to rugby tonight to be introduced to Hordens new owner who bought the club the other day and offered me a contract to play 1st team rugby there consisting of travel fees being payed and a wage of £25 a match so i'm in two minds with that.

3) Afterward due to the amount of volunteer work i'v done at Seaton with my mate Joe , Coach Billy and another volunteer from the football side of things we've been awarded 4 free tickets to Wales vs England at the Millennium stadium in August for the RWC warm ups!

So a busy day for Driver lol
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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:14 am

sounds like a cracking day well done buddy. Whats the job for?

Are Horden a local side to you?

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:15 am

Driver I am off to Cardiff for that one should be a good crack. Hard place to get a room is Cardiff. City not big enough

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:17 am

Good on yer Micky, pity it's Horden Wink

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Post by Driver Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:37 am

There about 20 minutes outside of hartlepool steve , they have a massive catchment area covering most of county durham so they bring in a lot of players from the Pit towns.

Matt i'm not sure how were getting down there can imagine it being a early morning drive down.

Pooly , I know! Horden is a good club just in the wrong town lol , I'm still 50/50 on whether to make the move or not.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:55 pm

Teams for Tri Nations opener...

Wallabies

15. Kurtley Beale , 14. James O'Connor , 13. Adam Ashley-Cooper , 12. Pat McCabe , 11. Digby Ioane , 10. Quade Cooper , 9. Will Genia , 8. Ben McCalman , 7. David Pocock , 6. Rocky Elsom (captain) 5. James Horwill , 4. Rob Simmons , 3. Ben Alexander , 2. Stephen Moore , 1. Sekope Kepu

Reserves: 16. Saia Fainga'a , 17. Pekahou Cowan , 18. Nathan Sharpe , 19. Matt Hodgson , 20. Scott Higginbotham , 21. Nick Phipps , 22. Anthony Fainga'a


15 Gio Aplon, 14 Bjorn Basson , 13 Juan de Jongh , 12 Wynand Olivier , 11 Lwazi Mvovo , 10 Morne Steyn , 9 Ruan Pienaar , 8 Ashley Johnson , 7 Danie Rossouw, 6 Deon Stegmann , 5 Johann Muller , 4 Flip van der Merwe , 3 Werner Kruger, 2 John Smit (captain) , 1 Dean Greyling -

Replacements :16 Chiliboy Ralepelle , 17 CJ van der Linde , 18 Alistair Hargreaves , 19 Jean Deysel , 20 Charl McLeod , 21 Adrian Jacobs , 22 Patrick Lambie


Some interesting calls there, most notably the complete omission of Giteau from the 22 for Australia. Is he injured, needs a rest, or has Deans finally lost patience with him and is this a clear indication that if Barnes fails to make the World Cup, we will see McCabe or Faingaa at 12 for them?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:11 pm

Fancy Aus to turn them over, not the greatest SA team. Sharpe dropped is a big call.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:26 pm

Aus should win, but will need to be better than they were against Samoa or they will get turned over. That is a very 2nd string Saffa side though.
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Post by 'Arry Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:28 pm

Still on the look out for a replacement hooker and back rower and a fly half.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:43 pm

Think Deans just wants to have a look at Simmons against a weakend Saffa's side more so then dropping Sharpe. We all know Sharpe if fit will be starting come the world cup.

No Giteau is very interesting! Wouldnt think he would be too tired. Wasnt as if he had to put a shift in defensively the weekend just gone. Expect him to make the world cup squad as back up 10 and due to his versatility but looks like Deans is having doubts about as well

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:49 pm

He got slated in Aus press for his "lacklustre" performance

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:52 pm

i assume you mean Giteau Pooly?

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:00 pm

But you know that Giteau only played rubbish because the forwards were rubbish and he had to be moved out the defensive line because Cooper can't defend although Cooper wasn't even playing and he must have been getting poor service from his 9 and the players outside him didn't do their jobs and it wasn't sunny enough and it was a little bit cold which made his hands a bit numb so he couldn't work his magic otherwise he would have been world class and won the game for Australia singlehandedly.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:20 pm

Yea Gits mate. I thought he was ok behind a beaten pack but Aus press reckon he played too deep

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:37 pm

I have to say I really hope that Kruger has a storming game against Australia as that will increase the chances of JdP being available to me when the season starts.
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Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:40 pm

Thats a massive SA Pack. McCabe has been great this year and versatile. i wanted him in the foreigns.

Interesting to see JDJ at 13 he has played more internationals there than 12 and was excellent last year.

Simmons has been excellent this year but not sure they have dropped sharpe more like taking a look at simmons in a pressure game.

Lots of Aussie players with very little form like AAC, Pocock and Elsom who need to step up. Could quite easily see AAc and Elsom in Particular losing their place

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:40 pm

Thats a massive SA Pack. McCabe has been great this year and versatile. i wanted him in the foreigns.

Interesting to see JDJ at 13 he has played more internationals there than 12 and was excellent last year.

Simmons has been excellent this year but not sure they have dropped sharpe more like taking a look at simmons in a pressure game.

Lots of Aussie players with very little form like AAC, Pocock and Elsom who need to step up. Could quite easily see AAc and Elsom in Particular losing their place

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:43 pm

Don't really know what to read into Deans comments about Giteau here...

http://www.espnscrum.com/tri-nations-2011/rugby/story/144194.html
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:43 pm

I suspect JdP will go anyway Pete. Not a great position for SA TH, there's loads of potentials but nobody is really shining, especially in the scrum.

Thing with AAC is he's always performed at Int level, massive drop in standard after him too. Don't think Pocock has been out of form.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:48 pm

TH is an issue for SA and has been for a while. They will only take 4 props I suspect, and 3 hookers as Smit covers prop.

Beast will definitely go, and I would say van der Linde as he covers both sides and is very experienced. That leaves two spots between Coonie, Greyling, Kruger and JdP I suspect.

Big performances from the Bulls pair this weekend might just bump them up the order a bit. here's hoping.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:51 pm

Does anyone know what date squads have to be officially submitted to the IRB for the WC by?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:52 pm

I just think Pdiv likes the Sharks combo and that'll sway him, I like Beast gets a bad rep for scrummaging but he's quite strong there.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:57 pm

Don't think Chris will be happy with this, think he was hoping to see a few of the Wasps youngsters in the 1st XV this season...


London Scottish have received a massive boast after Wasps agreed to loan out seven of their academy prospects, including England Under-20s star Joe Launchbury.

The 20-year-old lock was named as the player of the tournament at the Junior World Championships, with England having been edged out in the final.

Launchbury will be joined at Scottish by Wasps team-mates Elliot Daly, Jonah Holmes, Sam Jones, Mitchel Tamiau, Lewis Thiede and Billy Vunipola.

The players will continue to train with Wasps but play for the ambitious Championship new-boys.
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Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:59 pm

Think they will take Kruger, BDP, Beast and Steenkamp as props personally.

Think you could see AAC on the Wing in the WC and maybe FAiinga come in.

Hard to get a balance right. AAC has not really played centre this year. The aussies have a lot of players but still do not know the best lineup in the backs and miss a fit and young mortlock like nothing else

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:01 pm

Is Steenkamp fit?

Think Beast gets a bad rub about his scrummaging like all props who are god in the loose do. It's like people think you can only be good at one aspect. Gethin Jenkins suffers from the same misperception.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:03 pm

I think Chris expected Launchbury and Daley to be starting for Wasps, esp Launchbury. Prob the best move though to get a easier learning curve.

Doubt Steenkamp will go unless he proves himself fitness wise but you never know.

Suspect AAC will get better through the 3N at 13 the more he plays there, been stuck at FB at wing most of the year but I thought he was decent against Samoa.

Love to see a Genia, Cooper, JOC, AAC backline, think that combo would rip teams to shreds.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:05 pm

Do you not reckon BJ Botha might have a shout at a Bok world cup spot Pete? Very solid TH always liked him. Been part of the revolution at Ulster.

As you can guess Im hoping JDP is already marked down for a spot! Very hard to guess what P Div will do

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:07 pm

See in that article from Pete that Robinson might yet make the world cup. Holding of on surgery on his injury in the chance that he will be able to play on it. Deans seems quite enthuastic about it

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:08 pm

I'm not surprised that lad who played on Sat is awful!

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:10 pm

They expect Steenkamp to be fit and to go on all the south african sites. Dont want to go without your best props so expect them to give him every bit of time needed.

I am no BJ Botha fan. Seen him take too many hidings for me. did well for Ulster and will be interesting to see how he goes at Munster.

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:13 pm

Regarding that article about Benn Robinson playing without an ACL there is one player who famously played with no ACL and that is Dallglio. He had it done once and then did it again and decided not to as it was stable. Did loads of alternative strengthening etc and was slower but a damn good player.

Think he then did the other one and had it done as the OP is much more succesful now. Watched him talk about it on several times

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:22 pm

I don't see Barnes making the World Cup. Saw him training with a very protective helmet on (like a sort of material you find at a kids play centre. Wonder if they are legal.

I think Faainga will go 12 by the looks of the wallaby set up. That back line looks a lot like a Wallaby backline with 12 on trial.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:25 pm

I reckon Oz will play the most mobile loose head if Robinson is out

Reds have shown you can win without a dominant scrum you just need have the ball in and out quickly

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:52 pm

It worked well for them in the final Steve, as soon as the ball reached the number eights feet it was out and in Genia's hands. I suspect that Aus will do the same sort of thing.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:56 pm

Problem happens when the opposition has the ball

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:00 pm

It is so simple and is effective and I don't understand why its not done more often.

A good strike and a number 8 who's worst his place should be able to do this with ease.

With regards to the opposition having the ball, a properly executed 8 man shove should at international level at the very least give the referee the idea that you aren't getting mullered.

If you look like your having a good collision the ref seems to think your scrum is doing okay.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:04 pm

It is so simple and is effective and I don't understand why its not done more often.

A good strike and a number 8 who's worst his place should be able to do this with ease.

With regards to the opposition having the ball, a properly executed 8 man shove should at international level at the very least give the referee the idea that you aren't getting mullered.

If you look like your having a good collision the ref seems to think your scrum is doing okay.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:07 pm

Good collision is the wrong term.

Good Hit

You know what I mean

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Post by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:08 pm

Its all very well saying they can just channel 1 ball it and any 8 worth his salt can deal with it but you are getting such poor quality ball and putting pressure on the 8,9 and 10 Axis.

Quick hook and out does not allow you to wheel the scrum or to run decent set moves and means you are always up against it.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:12 pm

I don't see how the quick hook affects the set moves. if its executed properly the ball is in the 9's hands quickly and your off. Catch the opposition backrow on the backfoot if nothing else.

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Post by stnick88 Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:15 pm

i agree with matt to an extent. it can be done but its not ideal.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:18 pm

With Matt on this one. Messy ball for the scrum half to deal with and I think every back row in the world will be on their toes ready for it when the aussies do it during the world cup.

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