Are more World champions for Britain a good thing????

Wasn't around here in the days of Honeyghan and Mcguigan but i'd imagine with Britain not having much success in Sport and notably Boxing that when they fought it became more of an event.....Same with Benn, Eubank etc....

Should think that Bruno made a lot of money due to the lack of decent pretenders around in them days....

So now you have the likes of Cook, Arthur becoming Champions and let's face it lot's of other guys on the verge of fighting for "So called" World titles (Lockett's of the past)... do you not think it detracts in the eyes of Joe bloggs.from real top quality and deserving champions such as Khan, Hatton and Calzaghe...??

You not think it shows Boxing up to be the poor relation it is to yester year.. when real top quality like Colin Jones came up tantalisingly short but had the respect of all!!!

For sure quality and talent should be rewarded..period!

However..You not think that all these Brit champions cheapen the sport in your Country as well as over the World....

You not think it would be better to celebrate the Honeyghan's achievements as special rather than accept another Brit champion as the norm!!!

Are more Brit world champs a good thing??

Weak champions are weak champions, doesn't matter where they are from. Another cheap dig to try and incite.

You may as well write "I LOVE AMERICA, ENGLAND FAVOURS LOSERS".

Saves us the time spent reading to pick up your ever so subtle message.

For a place that suffers from lack of champions to suddenly have so many...

Doesn't it make it less special???

If you want to see the glass as half empty guys jog on..

It's a valid thread with honorable intention..

No attempt to gloat and that's honest..

Why single out British boxers for this 'argument'? If we're talking about weak champions there's a myriad to choose from. Berto, anyone? Chavez Jr? Any of the cruiser champions...

Must try harder Truss.

Who's singling out British boxers?????

I'm singling out the Island of Britain and it's sudden rise in the shape of the WBO....

I'm asking if you prefer a minority of quality champions or a majority of crud ones...

Don't be so sensitive..looking for digs etc....

Why not ask the question on a global scale then?

Because this is a British site ????

Let's have question time between Conservative and Labour and talk about the Mexican economy and their home affairs???

I'm asking a question about British boxing to Brits...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Because this is a British site ????

Let's have question time between Conservative and Labour and talk about the Mexican economy and their home affairs???

I'm asking a question about British boxing to Brits...

You're not British. Several other users here aren't British. Still others are Brits who live or work abroad. Boxing is a global sport. Is it a bad thing for any nation to have more champions?

several other users here aren't British.....

I'll only talk about America then alright!!!

Do one..

Quality is quality regardless of how many champions there are and nor does it matter what belt they hold, it's the belt holder who makes it not the belt any more.

Calzaghe, Hatton, Witter, Woods, Haye, Khan and Froch are amongst the recent british champions I respect whereas I couldn't care less about Burns, Rees, Cleverly, Arthur or Maccarinelli because they were/aren't world class.

It's not an issue unique to Britain, every country has it's fair share of weak 'world champions'

Thank you Ghosty..........

Not suggesting they don't we had Robert Hines for godsake..

All I'm asking is if you prefer quality less often as champions as in the past .....or the more cheapened status you have now with more chefs...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:several other users here aren't British.....

I'll only talk about America then alright!!!

Do one..

I didn't suggest you talk only about on nation though, did I? Why do you think you have the right to speak to people as if they're imbeciles simply because they don't agree with something you say or do? Is your attitude indicative of your countrymen as a whole, I wonder?

I would prefer quality more often but I don't recognise poor fighters as world champions so the situation hasn't really changed

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I would prefer quality more often but I don't recognise poor fighters as world champions so the situation hasn't really changed

It's the difference between a boxer being a world champion and being a mere title holder. Whether that requires a whole new thread is debatable.

Before people start brutalising Burns, he did beat one of, if not the, main man in his division, so at least give him some respect for that. That win alone puts him above Cleverly and Maccarinelli.

The sport has loads of champs that cheapen the sport (usually in the WBO) it is prevelent in boxing with all nations not just brits, take Stielgitz for goodness sake, he is truly awful

www.maineventboxing.wordpress.com

Ths a WBO is a liitle step up from the WBU, but not as good as the main 3 belts, it's a little inbetween in a place known as Warren land.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I couldn't care less about Burns, Cleverly

Cleverly is still young and hasnt had chance to really prove himself yet. Burns beat a good champion in Martinez and looks to be one of those fighters who will peak later on in his career. The sky is the limit for both of them. To say you couldnt care less is a bit narrow-minded to say the least

Oh yeah and congratulations to Trussman on winning subtle WUM of the week award

Bashing Burns is a bit harsh considering he is the only World Champion in Britain to take his title off the top man at his weight.

prettyboykev wrote:Bashing Burns is a bit harsh considering he is the only World Champion in Britain to take his title off the top man at his weight.

If only Burns was English hey...

The BBC golf coverage makes me laugh. On the starting day they were all behind the great "British" hope Rory McIlroy of Northern Ireland. Now they are all behind "England's" Tom Lewis lol. Even as an Irishman I don't really care what Rory classes himself as but it's so funny how fickle they are lol.

Jimmy Moz wrote:The BBC golf coverage makes me laugh. On the starting day they were all behind the great "British" hope Rory McIlroy of Northern Ireland. Now they are all behind "England's" Tom Lewis lol. Even as an Irishman I don't really care what Rory classes himself as but it's so funny how fickle they are lol.

Sometimes i find it funny, sometimes not, it's true though.

Steffan wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I couldn't care less about Burns, Cleverly

Cleverly is still young and hasnt had chance to really prove himself yet. Burns beat a good champion in Martinez and looks to be one of those fighters who will peak later on in his career. The sky is the limit for both of them. To say you couldnt care less is a bit narrow-minded to say the least

Cleverly simply is not a legitimate champion yet, there are 4 men rated higher than him at the weight which is ridiculous for a so called world champion whereas Burns is decent champion in a very weak division defending against nobodies

Steffan wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:Bashing Burns is a bit harsh considering he is the only World Champion in Britain to take his title off the top man at his weight.

If only Burns was English hey...

I don't go for all that nonsense. Burns is decent just wanted to point out that small detail. I've not seen Burns getting much stick on here from the English lads that I wouldn't give him myself.

Still think that giving guys like Alex Arthur the same status as the Mcguigan's.......kind of cheapens it....

I know it takes intelligence to understand the thread.......but all I asked was if you'd rather have less genuine world champs and not more mediocre ones....

Why wallies have to make an issue that there are plenty of poor ones around the World is just silly...

nobody is debating or denying that.

I'll tell you what extract Burns and stick in Takaloo....

Truss your underhand and not-so-subtle insults are quite pathetic. I still fail to see why you specifically choose British champions to highlight your 'point'.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'll tell you what extract Burns and stick in Takaloo....

I shook Takaloo's hand after he had broke it in Edinburgh, how was i to know it was broken, ouch!

Because i'm talking about Britain.........

Maybe that's why I chose to highlight British fighters...

You haven't the heritage of Mexico or the USA.....who are used to having world champions...

Hence the fact you have so many so-called ones now makes me wonder if you think it a good thing..

Obviously it's beyond your comprehension.

The Galveston Giant wrote:

Jimmy Moz wrote:The BBC golf coverage makes me laugh. On the starting day they were all behind the great "British" hope Rory McIlroy of Northern Ireland. Now they are all behind "England's" Tom Lewis lol. Even as an Irishman I don't really care what Rory classes himself as but it's so funny how fickle they are lol.

Sometimes i find it funny, sometimes not, it's true though.

I read a good interview with Rory McIlroy. He basically said that if English people want to cheer him on thats great. If Irish (republican) people want to cheer him on thats great as well. But he stated the only people who can claim him as 'their own' are the people of Northern Ireland as thats where he is from. Kinda like I would if I was a top sportsman. English and Americans can cheer me on but only the Welsh could claim me

I guess he wants to avoid the whole "are you British or Irish?" thing. He hold a British passport yet represented Ireland in the amateurs. Doesnt look like he is going to win The Open anyway now

Take your stupid non-boxing stuff onto one of your puerile threads and don't pollute mine..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Because i'm talking about Britain.........

Maybe that's why I chose to highlight British fighters...

You haven't the heritage of Mexico or the USA.....who are used to having world champions...

Hence the fact you have so many so-called ones now makes me wonder if you think it a good thing..

Obviously it's beyond your comprehension.

No, it's not beyond my comprehension but I feel you're missing the point. Do Britain have such a huge number of champions more than any other time? No. So what's the big deal about highlighting falling standards unless you're going to apply your 'argument' across the board?

In the eyes of the general public who maybe don't know boxing they may view a World champion as a World champion. With the lack of boxing coverage on free to air TV in Britain now they will never be held in the same esteem by the public as McGuigan and us proper boxing fans know better.

Their is examples pf things like this in every sport for example in football or soccer as you may call it their are players who have won World cups/Champions league who aren't in the same class as Zidane, Pele or Maradonna.

Britain is what 3rd in the world behind America and Mexico for all time world champions, safe to say we do have a fair bit of heritage of having genuine world champions, fact is Truss we have three potential number one fighters in Froch, Khan and Burns who are all ranked number two in the world at the moment, can't say i'm complaining. Haye is 3rd at Heavyweight and Cleverly 5th at Light Heavyweight, America isn't too far ahead of that.

Lets just end this thread now so we can all go and have a life.......Trussman, the UK is rubbish at boxing and second for second rate champions. America is the best and would never do this. There we are all done

Steffan wrote:Lets just end this thread now so we can all go and have a life.......Trussman, the UK is rubbish at boxing and second for second rate champions. America is the best and would never do this. There we are all done

I think he makes a valid point and people on this forum are to quick to jump and dismiss people as biased. It happened to D4 regularly. The main point of having so many World champions devaluing the claim of being a World champion is valid. The fact he specified British should be neither here nor there.

But everone knows there are too many champions whether they be American, English, Mexican etc. Tell us something we dont know

The fact in Britain we have had less World champions especially the elite level guys than the States or maybe even Mexico we hold ours in high regards.
The fact that some of today's World champions are less worthy of the tag is a problem in boxing that will never go away their is more and more World titles being made available on what seems a daily basis. Like I said before the general public may be conned but with the lack of mainstream TV coverage for these guys they will never be held in the same esteem as some of our previous greats.
Like I said us proper boxing fans should know better.

Us proper fans do. The casual fan doesnt really understand and to be honest I dont blame them. But in regards to Truss question it makes no difference to the real fans. We know a good boxer from a not so good one despite whatever belts they have

I hope Ricky Hatton gets his finger out and his promoting takes off, we need a new promoter in this country who is in it for the fans, Ricky could be the man, not to milk titles and fill his own pocket. I understand a lot of British fighters aren't good enough to win any of the 3 main belts but Warren has had plenty fighters under his belt who he has held back, for his own financial gain.

The Galveston Giant wrote:I hope Ricky Hatton gets his finger out and his promoting takes off, we need a new promoter in this country who is in it for the fans, Ricky could be the man, not to milk titles and fill his own pocket. I understand a lot of British fighters aren't good enough to win any of the 3 main belts but Warren has had plenty fighters under his belt who he has held back, for his own financial gain.

Kell Brook was a strange one for me. His style is pure PPV surely old fish eyes could have got him a shot at Senchenko or Zaveck?

Brook is a great fighter to watch. He needs to start stepping up though as he seems to have got left a bit behind compared to Burns and Clev with Warren

prettyboykev wrote:

The Galveston Giant wrote:I hope Ricky Hatton gets his finger out and his promoting takes off, we need a new promoter in this country who is in it for the fans, Ricky could be the man, not to milk titles and fill his own pocket. I understand a lot of British fighters aren't good enough to win any of the 3 main belts but Warren has had plenty fighters under his belt who he has held back, for his own financial gain.

Kell Brook was a strange one for me. His style is pure PPV surely old fish eyes could have got him a shot at Senchenko or Zaveck?

I hope he starts moving Kell along, i feel Brook has the ability to reach world level given the right fights but has been far too inactive for me, Warren needs to make a move with him now.

The Galveston Giant wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

The Galveston Giant wrote:I hope Ricky Hatton gets his finger out and his promoting takes off, we need a new promoter in this country who is in it for the fans, Ricky could be the man, not to milk titles and fill his own pocket. I understand a lot of British fighters aren't good enough to win any of the 3 main belts but Warren has had plenty fighters under his belt who he has held back, for his own financial gain.

Kell Brook was a strange one for me. His style is pure PPV surely old fish eyes could have got him a shot at Senchenko or Zaveck?

I hope he starts moving Kell along, i feel Brook has the ability to reach world level given the right fights but has been far too inactive for me, Warren needs to make a move with him now.

Surely 'given the right fights' is exactly the thing no-one wants?

The Galveston Giant wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

The Galveston Giant wrote:I hope Ricky Hatton gets his finger out and his promoting takes off, we need a new promoter in this country who is in it for the fans, Ricky could be the man, not to milk titles and fill his own pocket. I understand a lot of British fighters aren't good enough to win any of the 3 main belts but Warren has had plenty fighters under his belt who he has held back, for his own financial gain.

Kell Brook was a strange one for me. His style is pure PPV surely old fish eyes could have got him a shot at Senchenko or Zaveck?

I hope he starts moving Kell along, i feel Brook has the ability to reach world level given the right fights but has been far too inactive for me, Warren needs to make a move with him now.

He's with matchroom now and the N'Dou fight was a step in the right direction. Eddie Hearn has mentioned that GBP would be interesting in putting Kell on the card of one their big shows in the US. I can see a fight with Malignaggi down the line.

BALTIMORA wrote:

The Galveston Giant wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

The Galveston Giant wrote:I hope Ricky Hatton gets his finger out and his promoting takes off, we need a new promoter in this country who is in it for the fans, Ricky could be the man, not to milk titles and fill his own pocket. I understand a lot of British fighters aren't good enough to win any of the 3 main belts but Warren has had plenty fighters under his belt who he has held back, for his own financial gain.

Kell Brook was a strange one for me. His style is pure PPV surely old fish eyes could have got him a shot at Senchenko or Zaveck?

I hope he starts moving Kell along, i feel Brook has the ability to reach world level given the right fights but has been far too inactive for me, Warren needs to make a move with him now.

Surely 'given the right fights' is exactly the thing no-one wants?

Sorry i meant more along the lines of his inactivity, the last thing i want is an easy road to the WBO in time for milking.

prettyboykev wrote:

The Galveston Giant wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

The Galveston Giant wrote:I hope Ricky Hatton gets his finger out and his promoting takes off, we need a new promoter in this country who is in it for the fans, Ricky could be the man, not to milk titles and fill his own pocket. I understand a lot of British fighters aren't good enough to win any of the 3 main belts but Warren has had plenty fighters under his belt who he has held back, for his own financial gain.

Kell Brook was a strange one for me. His style is pure PPV surely old fish eyes could have got him a shot at Senchenko or Zaveck?

I hope he starts moving Kell along, i feel Brook has the ability to reach world level given the right fights but has been far too inactive for me, Warren needs to make a move with him now.

He's with matchroom now and the N'Dou fight was a step in the right direction. Eddie Hearn has mentioned that GBP would be interesting in putting Kell on the card of one their big shows in the US. I can see a fight with Malignaggi down the line.

Didn't know that Kev, that's good, probably why his career has started moving again.

The Galveston Giant wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

The Galveston Giant wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

The Galveston Giant wrote:I hope Ricky Hatton gets his finger out and his promoting takes off, we need a new promoter in this country who is in it for the fans, Ricky could be the man, not to milk titles and fill his own pocket. I understand a lot of British fighters aren't good enough to win any of the 3 main belts but Warren has had plenty fighters under his belt who he has held back, for his own financial gain.

Kell Brook was a strange one for me. His style is pure PPV surely old fish eyes could have got him a shot at Senchenko or Zaveck?

I hope he starts moving Kell along, i feel Brook has the ability to reach world level given the right fights but has been far too inactive for me, Warren needs to make a move with him now.

He's with matchroom now and the N'Dou fight was a step in the right direction. Eddie Hearn has mentioned that GBP would be interesting in putting Kell on the card of one their big shows in the US. I can see a fight with Malignaggi down the line.

Didn't know that Kev, that's good, probably why his career has started moving again.

That's why he hadn't fought until July this year he had a contract dispute with old fish eyes. Basically Kell wouldn't sign a new deal with Warren so Warren left him out in the cold until his contract was up in May I think.