Is Mitchell BACK? What are his next steps?

by School Project Sat 16 Jul 2011, 11:35 pm

Great fight,

Not the result I was hoping for... but how does this help Mitchells stock now? What are his next options?

It was said the winner of this could go on against Rios, how do you see Mitchell getting on with that one?

by Bluto1978 Sat 16 Jul 2011, 11:38 pm

Classy little boxer. Impressed with courage also. Only question mark obviously is his frame of mind for big occasion. Cracking fight and impressed with that. Nice variety

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sat 16 Jul 2011, 11:42 pm

I'm a huge mithell fan, and was sure he was going to kO Murray. However, rios is a class above both katsidis and murray and beats mithell 9 times out of 10.

Katsidis rematch is what Mitchell wants and I think he can win if he is focused 100%.

I would like to see him at SFW if there were bigger names as he looks small for a LW and rios is as big as they come

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:07 am

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I'm a huge mithell fan, and was sure he was going to kO Murray. However, rios is a class above both katsidis and murray and beats mithell 9 times out of 10.

Katsidis rematch is what Mitchell wants and I think he can win if he is focused 100%.

I would like to see him at SFW if there were bigger names as he looks small for a LW and rios is as big as they come

Not getting carried away, knew Kev if on it would smash Murray to bits, bring on the sluggish, slow, hyped and easy to hit foul mouthed Rios next, you think he's gonna walk through Mitchell's shots?

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:10 am

Young_Towzer wrote:
WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I'm a huge mithell fan, and was sure he was going to kO Murray. However, rios is a class above both katsidis and murray and beats mithell 9 times out of 10.

Katsidis rematch is what Mitchell wants and I think he can win if he is focused 100%.

I would like to see him at SFW if there were bigger names as he looks small for a LW and rios is as big as they come

Not getting carried away, knew Kev if on it would smash Murray to bits, bring on the sluggish, slow, hyped and easy to hit foul mouthed Rios next, you think he's gonna walk through Mitchell's shots?

I was looking forward to Mitchell losing just to see what you would say. To be fair it was an excellent performance for Mitchell, Rios is a class above both imo, Murray caught Mitchell quite easily at times and Rios is a bigger hitter. He should look for the Kats re match he should beat him if he's truly World class he would.

by Dass Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:14 am

I'd fancy Rios to get Mitchell out there in the first half of the fight and even with a better frame of mind I still think Mitchell wont be able to keep Kats of him.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:14 am

prettyboykev wrote:
Young_Towzer wrote:
WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I'm a huge mithell fan, and was sure he was going to kO Murray. However, rios is a class above both katsidis and murray and beats mithell 9 times out of 10.

Katsidis rematch is what Mitchell wants and I think he can win if he is focused 100%.

I would like to see him at SFW if there were bigger names as he looks small for a LW and rios is as big as they come

Not getting carried away, knew Kev if on it would smash Murray to bits, bring on the sluggish, slow, hyped and easy to hit foul mouthed Rios next, you think he's gonna walk through Mitchell's shots?

I was looking forward to Mitchell losing just to see what you would say. To be fair it was an excellent performance for Mitchell, Rios is a class above both imo, Murray caught Mitchell quite easily at times and Rios is a bigger hitter. He should look for the Kats re match he should beat him if he's truly World class he would.

Cheers for hoping he'd get beat, a lot of what i say gets slated because i say it, Rios a class above Mitchell? not anywhere near as fast, nowhere near as skillful, not in the same league in terms of boxing ability. Mitchell proved he can brawl as well, nah stay away from Katsidis, why should Mitchell box Katsidis again who has NO title whatsoever, when Khan's excused for fighting Prescott who blew him away in much quicker and better fashion? mmmm. Rios next, earn some money and a title.

by Sugar Boy Sweetie Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:17 am

Just won a nice few quid off my mate on Mitchell, well pleased. Was a tough fight to call but Murray was always there to be outboxed and an on song Mitchell was the man to do it. Murray coming forward in straight lines and fighting one dimensional, Mitchell using the ring well and throwing the quicker more accurate punches. The left hook and uppercut combo couldn't miss, sweet knock down and good stoppage. Kevin looked in excellent shape tonight and as someone who questioned his commitment I have to give him his dues and say he fought a great fight and taking murrays '0' is a big scalp. Not surprised to see murray lose to a technically more skilled fighter, it's been on the cards for a while - fitness and strength only get you so far, he has a pressure style but not the power and he's far too one dimensional and easy to hit, been saying it for 2 years.

Excellent night for Mitchell, fair play to him.

by BALTIMORA Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:20 am

Congratulations to Mitchell. Towser, if nothing else a Katsidis rematch would seek to avenge his only loss.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:20 am

Oh and by the way many who say Rios would destroy Mitchell are entitled to there views, i aren't getting carried away, i said the other day Mitchell boxes his head off the posts show that, @Sugar boy, i won £34 off £1 in 8th 33/1 and £190 off Mitchell 11/8

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:21 am

Young_Towzer wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:
Young_Towzer wrote:
WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I'm a huge mithell fan, and was sure he was going to kO Murray. However, rios is a class above both katsidis and murray and beats mithell 9 times out of 10.

Katsidis rematch is what Mitchell wants and I think he can win if he is focused 100%.

I would like to see him at SFW if there were bigger names as he looks small for a LW and rios is as big as they come

Not getting carried away, knew Kev if on it would smash Murray to bits, bring on the sluggish, slow, hyped and easy to hit foul mouthed Rios next, you think he's gonna walk through Mitchell's shots?

I was looking forward to Mitchell losing just to see what you would say. To be fair it was an excellent performance for Mitchell, Rios is a class above both imo, Murray caught Mitchell quite easily at times and Rios is a bigger hitter. He should look for the Kats re match he should beat him if he's truly World class he would.

Cheers for hoping he'd get beat, a lot of what i say gets slated because i say it, Rios a class above Mitchell? not anywhere near as fast, nowhere near as skillful, not in the same league in terms of boxing ability. Mitchell proved he can brawl as well, nah stay away from Katsidis, why should Mitchell box Katsidis again who has NO title whatsoever, when Khan's excused for fighting Prescott who blew him away in much quicker and better fashion? mmmm. Rios next, earn some money and a title.

I actually like him just wanted to see what you would say after the slating you have gave Murray in the past (which most of I agreed with). I think he should fight Kats because he has an excuse for his only defeat so their should be a hunger their to revenge it. Rios is a big strong boy and would be the toughest fight Kev could have at the weight imo. I would worry about how easy and often Murray caught him because Rios is a lot better than Murray.
Khan lost to Prescott because he is a cocky wee sh*t.

by Sugar Boy Sweetie Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:27 am

Young_Towzer wrote:Oh and by the way many who say Rios would destroy Mitchell are entitled to there views, i aren't getting carried away, i said the other day Mitchell boxes his head off the posts show that, @Sugar boy, i won £34 off £1 in 8th 33/1 and £190 off Mitchell 11/8

I've chopped and changed my mind all week about this fight, the hard thing was not knowing what level Mitchell would be at after so long out. My mate said Murray would win in 4 rounds to which I said no chance, doesn't hit hard enough. In the end I decided to go with Mitchell and we bet £50 on it so a nice win for me.

Nice win Towzer that's a call call and a good return on a quid.

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:31 am

Young_Towzer wrote:
WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I'm a huge mithell fan, and was sure he was going to kO Murray. However, rios is a class above both katsidis and murray and beats mithell 9 times out of 10.

Katsidis rematch is what Mitchell wants and I think he can win if he is focused 100%.

I would like to see him at SFW if there were bigger names as he looks small for a LW and rios is as big as they come

Not getting carried away, knew Kev if on it would smash Murray to bits, bring on the sluggish, slow, hyped and easy to hit foul mouthed Rios next, you think he's gonna walk through Mitchell's shots?

In a word, yes. Although I think he can be hurt, I still dont think mitchell bangs hard enough to get him out of there. True, Mitchell destroyed murray, and Murray had a good chin, but Murray had been fighting nobodies and didn't like the power the Spanish roadsweeper brought. Rios has been in with Acosta, Antillon and petersen and was never really hurt. Rios is absolutely huge, has quicker hands than you give him credit for, has a granite chin, has relentless stamina and gets better as the rounds went on. Despite kevins brilliant performance, he was caught on the ropes far too often and got caught cleanly by the slower Murray.

Katsidis should be next as he is easier to beat imo, he isn't as skilled. Kevin NEEDS to focus from now on. I was so pleased Kevin won after the personal problems and criticisms. Mitchell needs to grow into the weight a little bit before taking on rios.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:37 am

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:
Young_Towzer wrote:
WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I'm a huge mithell fan, and was sure he was going to kO Murray. However, rios is a class above both katsidis and murray and beats mithell 9 times out of 10.

Katsidis rematch is what Mitchell wants and I think he can win if he is focused 100%.

I would like to see him at SFW if there were bigger names as he looks small for a LW and rios is as big as they come

Not getting carried away, knew Kev if on it would smash Murray to bits, bring on the sluggish, slow, hyped and easy to hit foul mouthed Rios next, you think he's gonna walk through Mitchell's shots?

In a word, yes. Although I think he can be hurt, I still dont think mitchell bangs hard enough to get him out of there. True, Mitchell destroyed murray, and Murray had a good chin, but Murray had been fighting nobodies and didn't like the power the Spanish roadsweeper brought. Rios has been in with Acosta, Antillon and petersen and was never really hurt. Rios is absolutely huge, has quicker hands than you give him credit for, has a granite chin, has relentless stamina and gets better as the rounds went on. Despite kevins brilliant performance, he was caught on the ropes far too often and got caught cleanly by the slower Murray.

Katsidis should be next as he is easier to beat imo, he isn't as skilled. Kevin NEEDS to focus from now on. I was so pleased Kevin won after the personal problems and criticisms. Mitchell needs to grow into the weight a little bit before taking on rios.

Kevin Mitchell is better than Antilon, Acosta, and Peterson. Rios isnt nearly as talented as Mitchell, that's my opinion, not even close.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:58 am

Rios is a world champion and deserves that tag with the level of fighters he's been facing, with the aforementioned names being better than anything Mitchell has beaten, your far too forthcoming with praise for him, was a good performance tonight but was in no way world class. Rios is a level or two above the likes of Mitchell or Katsidis, if Kats could take him out in double quick time then I see nothing to suggest that Rios wouldn't either.

by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:01 am

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Rios is a world champion and deserves that tag with the level of fighters he's been facing, with the aforementioned names being better than anything Mitchell has beaten, your far too forthcoming with praise for him, was a good performance tonight but was in no way world class. Rios is a level or two above the likes of Mitchell or Katsidis, if Kats could take him out in double quick time then I see nothing to suggest that Rios wouldn't either.

Murray caught Mitchell far to easy tonight but he lacks the power Rios had. If Mitchell fought like that against Rios he wouldn't have seen the halfway stage in the fight. After 5 rounds I had it 3 rounds to Murray and one to Mitchell and one split.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:02 am

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Rios is a world champion and deserves that tag with the level of fighters he's been facing, with the aforementioned names being better than anything Mitchell has beaten, your far too forthcoming with praise for him, was a good performance tonight but was in no way world class. Rios is a level or two above the likes of Mitchell or Katsidis, if Kats could take him out in double quick time then I see nothing to suggest that Rios wouldn't either.

Wasnt prepared against Katsidis, was tonight, Rios beat Acosta not the best fighter in the world and not an household name in his own house. I aren't debating with you anyway, plastic mod, goodbye.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:06 am

It's things like that some people ignore instead trying to enforce a point based purely on calling the fight right although it was far closer than suggested, Rios is a big strong lightweight with genuine power and is far better technically than Katsidis, would love to see another english world champion but not going to get carried away by a victory over Murray.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:10 am

Young_Towzer wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:Rios is a world champion and deserves that tag with the level of fighters he's been facing, with the aforementioned names being better than anything Mitchell has beaten, your far too forthcoming with praise for him, was a good performance tonight but was in no way world class. Rios is a level or two above the likes of Mitchell or Katsidis, if Kats could take him out in double quick time then I see nothing to suggest that Rios wouldn't either.
Wasnt prepared against Katsidis, was tonight, Rios beat Acosta not the best fighter in the world and not an household name in his own house. I aren't debating with you anyway, plastic mod, goodbye.

Easy excuse to say he wasn't prepared, a profressional boxer should always be prepared especially in the biggest bout in his career so doesn't wash with me, he didn't get exposed by Katsidis but that fight showed how to beat Mitchell. They're aren't too many household names in the lightweight division fullstop so again don't see your point, it's I'M NOT rather than I AREN'T.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:41 am

Imperial Ghosty wrote:
Young_Towzer wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:Rios is a world champion and deserves that tag with the level of fighters he's been facing, with the aforementioned names being better than anything Mitchell has beaten, your far too forthcoming with praise for him, was a good performance tonight but was in no way world class. Rios is a level or two above the likes of Mitchell or Katsidis, if Kats could take him out in double quick time then I see nothing to suggest that Rios wouldn't either.
Wasnt prepared against Katsidis, was tonight, Rios beat Acosta not the best fighter in the world and not an household name in his own house. I aren't debating with you anyway, plastic mod, goodbye.

Easy excuse to say he wasn't prepared, a profressional boxer should always be prepared especially in the biggest bout in his career so doesn't wash with me, he didn't get exposed by Katsidis but that fight showed how to beat Mitchell. They're aren't too many household names in the lightweight division fullstop so again don't see your point, it's I'M NOT rather than I AREN'T.

What you reverting to an english lesson for, why aint u in a fantastic job, oh i forgot your not a brain box. I give you a boxing lesson in terms of predictions, i told you if Mitchell was prepared he'd smash him to bits and he did, then you said i'd have to 'squirm' when Murray won, get your head down, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Mitchell will smash Rios to bits as well, as i predicted BEFORE he beat Mitchell, fat, slow, sluggish, predictable, will play right into Mitchell's hands. I love the way Kev's slated for the Katsidis fight but he lost at world level, when Khan gets iced in a round off Prescott, then is excused a rematch, etc, Kev schools Prescott but is garbage alledgedly overnight haha absolute baffling.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:00 am

There was me thinking Degale destroyed Groves as well Smile

think I called that spot on did I not unlike you tonight but go ahead and proclaim yourself a genius for backing someone in a two horse race

Prescott was never any good as his showing before Mitchell showed where he lost but do carry on with the petty personal insults if you so wish but will add i'm in a fantastic job hence my ability to construct a grammatically correct sentence. Being a fully qualified profressional music journalist is a pain in the butt.

by armchairwarrior Sun 17 Jul 2011, 10:47 am

I post very little but I couldn't resist...

being a "profressional" music journalist you should know better.....however, you posted at 2am.... Rolling Eyes

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 17 Jul 2011, 11:58 am

That is a very good point, wine does terrible things to the brain

by **Fists of Fury** Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:07 pm

Young_Towzer wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:Rios is a world champion and deserves that tag with the level of fighters he's been facing, with the aforementioned names being better than anything Mitchell has beaten, your far too forthcoming with praise for him, was a good performance tonight but was in no way world class. Rios is a level or two above the likes of Mitchell or Katsidis, if Kats could take him out in double quick time then I see nothing to suggest that Rios wouldn't either.
Wasnt prepared against Katsidis, was tonight, Rios beat Acosta not the best fighter in the world and not an household name in his own house. I aren't debating with you anyway, plastic mod, goodbye.

Towzer, I've told you before to cut it out, Ghosty simply gave his opinion (and one that is very factually correct, may I add), yet you feel the need to add this to the end of your post? Don't let me see it again.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:22 pm

Fists of Fury wrote:
Young_Towzer wrote:
Imperial Ghosty wrote:Rios is a world champion and deserves that tag with the level of fighters he's been facing, with the aforementioned names being better than anything Mitchell has beaten, your far too forthcoming with praise for him, was a good performance tonight but was in no way world class. Rios is a level or two above the likes of Mitchell or Katsidis, if Kats could take him out in double quick time then I see nothing to suggest that Rios wouldn't either.
Wasnt prepared against Katsidis, was tonight, Rios beat Acosta not the best fighter in the world and not an household name in his own house. I aren't debating with you anyway, plastic mod, goodbye.

Towzer, I've told you before to cut it out, Ghosty simply gave his opinion (and one that is very factually correct, may I add), yet you feel the need to add this to the end of your post? Don't let me see it again.

He had a big rant at me last week, and said he couldn't wait until i was 'squirming' didn't see a warning there. As i said, it's lovely proving someone wrong Very Happy

by **Fists of Fury** Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:26 pm

Yes, we all love to prove people wrong, but there was still no need for the end of your post. Gloat all you like, but keep it clean. Thanks.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:38 pm

How did the Gavin/Woodhouse fight go Towzer, as you predicted it, an easy win for Gavin? How about Degale destroying Groves, that came true as well didn't it?

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 17 Jul 2011, 12:50 pm

Wasn't prepared against Katsidis!!!!

Why because he lost??.....Don't buy it..........old excuse..

However very very impressive performance against a guy I picked to win....Made Murray look ordinary with the angles he showed and the variety of shots that came in....

Poor old Murray had to keep it inside but couldn't and was pretty poor and obvious for most of the fight......

Mitchell's left uppercuts were terrific and busted the guy up... who was coming in on a straight line way too much...

Mitchell looks world class....Murray I overrated I think..

Domestic fighter..

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:03 pm

Last night showed Mitchells limitations as much as it did Murray's. Murray has an inability to block/slip the left had, yet was still able to dominate Murray for large parts of certain rounds. Going into the 8th I had Murray 1 point up so it is hardly the masterclass some a proclaiming.

Katsidis beats him again and Rios also in similar fashion. Too easily bullied and against bigger punchers like the aforementioned he will get stopped. Murray had him in trouble and he is hardly a big hitter.

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:05 pm

Thing is, when boxers lose they always have an excuse.

Haye had a bad toe, Mitchell had an argument with his MUMMY just before the fight, Hatton overtrained for Manny etc...

Do those who are swallowing the garbage excuse Mitchell is offering also believe Haye and Hatton. Double standards.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:35 pm

Fists of Fury wrote:Yes, we all love to prove people wrong, but there was still no need for the end of your post. Gloat all you like, but keep it clean. Thanks.

There was imo, i always keep it clean and never swear, cheers.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:36 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Thing is, when boxers lose they always have an excuse.

Haye had a bad toe, Mitchell had an argument with his MUMMY just before the fight, Hatton overtrained for Manny etc...

Do those who are swallowing the garbage excuse Mitchell is offering also believe Haye and Hatton. Double standards.

You have something against Mitchell, i can't therefore take your opinion seriously, i don't like Haye but think he's a quality fighter, you hate Mitchell, so it's not fair for your opinion of him imo.

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:40 pm

Young_Towzer wrote:
Lumbering_Jack wrote:Thing is, when boxers lose they always have an excuse.

Haye had a bad toe, Mitchell had an argument with his MUMMY just before the fight, Hatton overtrained for Manny etc...

Do those who are swallowing the garbage excuse Mitchell is offering also believe Haye and Hatton. Double standards.
You have something against Mitchell, i can't therefore take your opinion seriously, i don't like Haye but think he's a quality fighter, you hate Mitchell, so it's not fair for your opinion of him imo.

I have nothing against Mitchell, he provided good value for money. His personality is a touch annoying and I dont like the BS excuse he came out with for his performance against a better fighter.

Mitchells excuse of undertraining is about as valid as Hattons of overtraining. If you believe one you should believe the other. In reality both were sparked by better fighters who were a level above them.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:45 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:
Young_Towzer wrote:
Lumbering_Jack wrote:Thing is, when boxers lose they always have an excuse.

Haye had a bad toe, Mitchell had an argument with his MUMMY just before the fight, Hatton overtrained for Manny etc...

Do those who are swallowing the garbage excuse Mitchell is offering also believe Haye and Hatton. Double standards.
You have something against Mitchell, i can't therefore take your opinion seriously, i don't like Haye but think he's a quality fighter, you hate Mitchell, so it's not fair for your opinion of him imo.

I have nothing against Mitchell, he provided good value for money. His personality is a touch annoying and I dont like the BS excuse he came out with for his performance against a better fighter.

Mitchells excuse of undertraining is about as valid as Hattons of overtraining. If you believe one you should believe the other. In reality both were sparked by better fighters who were a level above them.

I think you hate Mitchell, you lie about him, you said he quit against Katsidis, was a quitter and would quit against Murray, he gave Katsidis credit for beating him, i think he'd box Katsidis' head off if prepared, but wouldn't go near him, why should he, put this way, Katsidis is better than Prescott, he was stopped legit by Katsidis, Khan was destroyed by Prescott and is worldwide excused for not fighting Prescott again, so why should Mitchell fight Katsidis when he has nothing to gain from it.

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:51 pm

Young_Towzer wrote:
Lumbering_Jack wrote:
Young_Towzer wrote:
Lumbering_Jack wrote:Thing is, when boxers lose they always have an excuse.

Haye had a bad toe, Mitchell had an argument with his MUMMY just before the fight, Hatton overtrained for Manny etc...

Do those who are swallowing the garbage excuse Mitchell is offering also believe Haye and Hatton. Double standards.
You have something against Mitchell, i can't therefore take your opinion seriously, i don't like Haye but think he's a quality fighter, you hate Mitchell, so it's not fair for your opinion of him imo.

I have nothing against Mitchell, he provided good value for money. His personality is a touch annoying and I dont like the BS excuse he came out with for his performance against a better fighter.

Mitchells excuse of undertraining is about as valid as Hattons of overtraining. If you believe one you should believe the other. In reality both were sparked by better fighters who were a level above them.

I think you hate Mitchell, you lie about him, you said he quit against Katsidis, was a quitter and would quit against Murray, he gave Katsidis credit for beating him, i think he'd box Katsidis' head off if prepared, but wouldn't go near him, why should he, put this way, Katsidis is better than Prescott, he was stopped legit by Katsidis, Khan was destroyed by Prescott and is worldwide excused for not fighting Prescott again, so why should Mitchell fight Katsidis when he has nothing to gain from it.

You obviously didnt see Ringside. He said he had lost before the fight, just like Hatton did with Manny. Funny thing is they both never mentioned anything before the fight. Do you believe the Hatton excuse, and if not why is this different to the one Mitchell was using.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:52 pm

Khan has been beating people a few levels above Prescott since that defeat which is why facing him again is a bit of a non event, were he to have taken a step back and carried on facing binmen then that fight would be more viable.

Why wasn't a professional boxer prepared for the biggest fight of his career and if we're using that excuse do we let Haye off for losing to Wladimir because his broken will have hindered his preparation?

Someone having a difference of opinion to you does not mean they hate the fighter in question, seems a very easy thing to say in order to try and gain credibility for yourself.

by **HumanWindmill** Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:53 pm

Lumbering_Jack should know whether or not he hates Mitchell. He says he doesn't, and since it is a matter of personal opinion, then that should be that.

by **88Chris05** Sun 17 Jul 2011, 1:54 pm

Young_Towzer wrote:I think you hate Mitchell, you lie about him, you said he quit against Katsidis, was a quitter and would quit against Murray, he gave Katsidis credit for beating him, i think he'd box Katsidis' head off if prepared, but wouldn't go near him, why should he, put this way, Katsidis is better than Prescott, he was stopped legit by Katsidis, Khan was destroyed by Prescott and is worldwide excused for not fighting Prescott again, so why should Mitchell fight Katsidis when he has nothing to gain from it.

What? That's a bit of a stretch to compare the two. Khan has moved up a level or two higher than Prescott since their bout. Mitchell hasn't moved to a level beyond Katsidis. Khan is a legitimate world champion, a big name and hence, Prescott offers him nothing now. Mitchell has no belt (just like Katsidis), isn't known outside of Britain and, so far, hasn't done any more than Katsidis has. Khan-Prescott isn't viable now, but Mitchell-Katsidis certainly is. I agree that Mitchell won't want a fight with Katsidis - but more because he won't fancy the job or risk, not because Katsidis is beneath him.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:00 pm

Spot on Chris

by BALTIMORA Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:02 pm

Katsidis would most likely walk right through Mitchell again.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:07 pm

88Chris05 wrote:
Young_Towzer wrote:I think you hate Mitchell, you lie about him, you said he quit against Katsidis, was a quitter and would quit against Murray, he gave Katsidis credit for beating him, i think he'd box Katsidis' head off if prepared, but wouldn't go near him, why should he, put this way, Katsidis is better than Prescott, he was stopped legit by Katsidis, Khan was destroyed by Prescott and is worldwide excused for not fighting Prescott again, so why should Mitchell fight Katsidis when he has nothing to gain from it.

What? That's a bit of a stretch to compare the two. Khan has moved up a level or two higher than Prescott since their bout. Mitchell hasn't moved to a level beyond Katsidis. Khan is a legitimate world champion, a big name and hence, Prescott offers him nothing now. Mitchell has no belt (just like Katsidis), isn't known outside of Britain and, so far, hasn't done any more than Katsidis has. Khan-Prescott isn't viable now, but Mitchell-Katsidis certainly is. I agree that Mitchell won't want a fight with Katsidis - but more because he won't fancy the job or risk, not because Katsidis is beneath him.

No it's not a bit of a stretch, it's one rule for Khan and another for Mitchell, i didn't say Khan wasn't a world champ. I said which is spot on, if Khan's excused for fighting Prescott again after losing in much,much,much more devestating style, Kev doesn't have to fight Katsidis again. Does Khan not fighting Prescott again, 3 years after being obliterated mean 'He won't fancy the job'

by Lumbering_Jack Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:09 pm

Young_Towzer wrote:
88Chris05 wrote:
Young_Towzer wrote:I think you hate Mitchell, you lie about him, you said he quit against Katsidis, was a quitter and would quit against Murray, he gave Katsidis credit for beating him, i think he'd box Katsidis' head off if prepared, but wouldn't go near him, why should he, put this way, Katsidis is better than Prescott, he was stopped legit by Katsidis, Khan was destroyed by Prescott and is worldwide excused for not fighting Prescott again, so why should Mitchell fight Katsidis when he has nothing to gain from it.

What? That's a bit of a stretch to compare the two. Khan has moved up a level or two higher than Prescott since their bout. Mitchell hasn't moved to a level beyond Katsidis. Khan is a legitimate world champion, a big name and hence, Prescott offers him nothing now. Mitchell has no belt (just like Katsidis), isn't known outside of Britain and, so far, hasn't done any more than Katsidis has. Khan-Prescott isn't viable now, but Mitchell-Katsidis certainly is. I agree that Mitchell won't want a fight with Katsidis - but more because he won't fancy the job or risk, not because Katsidis is beneath him.

No it's not a bit of a stretch, it's one rule for Khan and another for Mitchell, i didn't say Khan wasn't a world champ. I said which is spot on, if Khan's excused for fighting Prescott again after losing in much,much,much more devestating style, Kev doesn't have to fight Katsidis again.

I can only think of two good reasons for Mitchell not to fight Katsidis.

1. He gets a straight shot at a world title.
2. He knows he will get sparked again due to the gulf in class between the two of them. No point going into a fight you know you will lose.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:10 pm

Katsidis is still a world level contender which Prescott never was and most probably never will be, it's a legitimate fight for Mitchell to take whereas it wasn't for Khan.

If Mitchell goes on to face fighters of the standard of Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Maidana, McCloskey and Judah one after another then it wont matter

by BALTIMORA Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:15 pm

I think Khan's a knob, but he's earned his dues by beating Maidana, not to mention the other WORLD level names he's beaten. Mitchell has just beaten a guy most people say is Euro level at best. A Katsidis rematch offers Mitchell more than a Prescott one offered Khan. Simple. Unless of course he's...chicken.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:21 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Katsidis is still a world level contender which Prescott never was and most probably never will be, it's a legitimate fight for Mitchell to take whereas it wasn't for Khan.

If Mitchell goes on to face fighters of the standard of Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Maidana, McCloskey and Judah one after another then it wont matter

I think your making it 1 rule for Khan and another for Mitchell. Katsidis has no title and is fighting a tune up next, Mitchell should fight Rios, like i said before the Murray fight i think he beats him, too easy to hit Rios, Antillon hurt him and there's no way he's world class, not in a month of sundays, he's been hurt by average fighters. Mitchell's miles faster than him, has the power to knock him out and is a different class in terms of pure boxing ability to the slow American. Rios is teak tough and can definitely blow you away, but he is painfully slow.

by J.Benson II Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:22 pm

I give credit to both men for giving it their all and showing plenty of heart.
However, I don't see this as anything other than a domestic scrap.

Murray just proved what his critics have always said; that he's game and rugged but also very ordinary and limited.

Mitchell was better but still looked easy to hit and very beatable.
A bigger puncher than Murray would have had him on jelly legs.

Mitchell against a world level opponent would most probably end up being a re-run of the Katsidis fight.

by Young_Towzer Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:28 pm

J.Benson II wrote:I give credit to both men for giving it their all and showing plenty of heart.
However, I don't see this as anything other than a domestic scrap.

Murray just proved what his critics have always said; that he's game and rugged but also very ordinary and limited.

Mitchell was better but still looked easy to hit and very beatable.
A bigger puncher than Murray would have had him on jelly legs.

Mitchell against a world level opponent would most probably end up being a re-run of the Katsidis fight.

Me too, Mitchell was a different class from the word go and dunno what fight the judges were watching the classier work came from Mitchell, Murray's bulldozer style caused Kevin problems but he took too many shots, however i give huge credit to Murray for his heart and commitment, enough from me on the fight anyway, lets see what happens next. Hopefully Rios, will be slated because it's me saying it, not interested though, Kevin will take him to school, and i'll put my money where my mouth is and back him.

by Imperial Ghosty Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:28 pm

Sounds a bit like Katsidis but we all know what happened there, Antillon isn't amazing but he does possess power, he was blown apart by Rios in the third who along with Marquez, Soto and Guerrero are the stand out performers in the lightweight division. Strange isn't that Mitchell is such an amazing fighter he couldn't do what Marquez, Diaz, Casamayor and Guerrero managed to do or were they fully prepared for Katsidis.

It's not one rule at all for Khan, he quickly progressed to a level far above Prescott so a fight was no longer viable, a fight against Katsidis is viable for Mitchell if he wishes to challenge for a title. Rios and Marquez will most likely fight soon which leaves Soto and Vasquez for Mitchell to face for a title neither of whom will have him on their radar.

by BALTIMORA Sun 17 Jul 2011, 2:40 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Sounds a bit like Katsidis but we all know what happened there, Antillon isn't amazing but he does possess power, he was blown apart by Rios in the third who along with Marquez, Soto and Guerrero are the stand out performers in the lightweight division. Strange isn't that Mitchell is such an amazing fighter he couldn't do what Marquez, Diaz, Casamayor and Guerrero managed to do or were they fully prepared for Katsidis.

It's not one rule at all for Khan, he quickly progressed to a level far above Prescott so a fight was no longer viable, a fight against Katsidis is viable for Mitchell if he wishes to challenge for a title. Rios and Marquez will most likely fight soon which leaves Soto and Vasquez for Mitchell to face for a title neither of whom will have him on their radar.

Didn't Marquez start out lighter than Mitchell too, or am I mistaken there?

Towser, if Katsidis is on such a downward turn why doesn't Mitchell take him on, try to avenge that loss?

by **Seanusarrilius** Sun 17 Jul 2011, 3:48 pm

Well done mitchell, i favoured Murray basically diue to all the carnage in Mitchells personal life but happy to be wrong. I actually think he is too small to compete at highest levels of division tho, Murray rocked him and murray has no legit power at the weight and Kats blasted him out, but great fight, he is a talent

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