Raw chat

by HitmanOwl Tue 19 Jul - 2:20

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Tournament to crown new champ

I've got miz face turn,del Rio cash in

by HitmanOwl Tue 19 Jul - 4:00

What a joke this is.

by DerekRiordinho Tue 19 Jul - 4:02

I can't believe this.

MITB was the best thing that's happened to the WWE in years, I was genuinely excited about where it was going.

But well done Vince, you've proven us right once again.

by RebelBhoy Tue 19 Jul - 4:04

terrible show

by hodge Tue 19 Jul - 4:05

oh hello

by RebelBhoy Tue 19 Jul - 4:06

still terrible

by RebelBhoy Tue 19 Jul - 4:06

*brother*.....sure.

now this "doofus"

by **Kenny** Tue 19 Jul - 4:07

vince is fired

by RebelBhoy Tue 19 Jul - 4:08

relieve you of your doooties....yada yada

by RebelBhoy Tue 19 Jul - 4:09

cena reinstated.

by RebelBhoy Tue 19 Jul - 4:09

fight to get it back blah blah

by HitmanOwl Tue 19 Jul - 4:09

This is awful. Give me back my 2 hours.

by **Kenny** Tue 19 Jul - 4:10

the lunatics are running the company

by RebelBhoy Tue 19 Jul - 4:11

the anonymous GM gets fired too?

by RebelBhoy Tue 19 Jul - 4:12

RebelBhoy wrote:relieve you of your doooties....yada yada

near enough eh?

by hodge Tue 19 Jul - 4:12

RebelBhoy wrote:the anonymous GM gets fired too?

or Triple H is the anonymous GM.....

by RebelBhoy Tue 19 Jul - 4:13

hodge wrote:
RebelBhoy wrote:the anonymous GM gets fired too?

or Triple H is the anonymous GM.....

mibees.
shockingly bad show

by HitmanOwl Tue 19 Jul - 4:14

Watch people tomorrow defend this rubbish. Can't believe what a let down from last night this is.

Cena v Del Rio summerslam then.

by DerekRiordinho Tue 19 Jul - 4:14

So wait, now HHH is the chairman of the company?

'I love you pop'

Jesus f'in Christ.

by RebelBhoy Tue 19 Jul - 4:15

mucktastic.

night folks

by DerekRiordinho Tue 19 Jul - 4:16

In the space of 24 hours the WWE has made me remember what it feels like being a Hibs fan.

So much excitement only to be seriously let down

Night guys.

by hodge Tue 19 Jul - 4:18

apart from Cena not being fired how much could you actually have guessed for this Raw?

We have a WWE title match next week in The Miz (now able to recover) Vs Mysterio

Triple H has been put in charge of the company on screen at any rate, could you have seen that coming 2 hours ago?

Punk wasn't going to be appearing on the show, according to what he has been saying all along he's left to company, it would have been worse imo if he had been there.

It leaves big questions to be answerd next week which is what Raw should be doing to drag viewers in for next week

by **Kenny** Tue 19 Jul - 4:18

oh dear , last night felt like a kid in a sweet shop , tonight feel like 41 year old who should know better

by HitmanOwl Tue 19 Jul - 4:20

Good points hodge

But that raw was sh@t.

by legendkillar Tue 19 Jul - 8:06

I just watched Raw and I am surprised people are jumping up and down. Granted Raw could've been a lot better, but again with what happened in MITB it was always going to be difficult for Raw to carry on that momentum because the only real good things that happened at MITB apart from the CM Punk win was the results of Smackdowns matches.

If and it is a big IF, the WWE is going to become less 'PG' least they have a new face for that direction. Make Miz face, turn Cena heel, let Punk be the face of the new WWE.

If the WWE pulls off a great turn in terms of it's product, I am sure all the people here ranting about how turd it is will be saying OMG it's amazing.

by longrangeeffort Tue 19 Jul - 8:29

Any chance the RAW could have been done that way in order to build something up a long way down the line? Punk/Triple H maybe or something else? I havent seen it so cant really comment at all, just wondered from the people who had seen it.

WWE seems to be going back to how it used to be with this Punk stuff...could they be building a big looong storyline like they used to as well? Any chance??

I'm hoping here more than anything...

by UpsideDownFace Tue 19 Jul - 9:00

Tonight's WWE RAW opens up with the normal intro video. We go right to the arena and out comes Vince McMahon to a mixed reaction from the Green Bay crowd. Vince has John Laurinaitis with him and they make their way to the ring.

The crowd chants for CM Punk as we see the WWE roster backstage watching on a TV. Vince says you will never hear him say that man's name again. He says that man is the biggest ingrate in WWE history. Vince says that man walked out on all of the fans, the locker room and anyone who has ever been in the ring. Vince says that man is an egotistical, selfish turd. Vince says nobody is bigger than WWE - Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Bret Hart, Steve Austin, nobody. Vince puts over WWE as a company and says it cannot be stopped. Vince says we will crown a new WWE Champion tonight.

An eight-man tournament is announced. Dolph Ziggler vs. Rey Mysterio, R-Truth vs. Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston vs. Alberto Del Rio and Alex Riley vs. The Miz is announced by Vince. Vince points out that John Cena is not in the tournament. The crowd boo's Cena's name. Vince says he will boo Cena too because he let him down. Vince warned Cena before the match that there would be severe consequences if he lost to Punk. Vince says after consulting with Laurinaitis, there will be severe consequences tonight. Vince says tonight will be a night we always remember. No Chance starts back up as Vince and Laurinaitis, who is sporting a shiner, leave the ring.

- Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler talk about Cena and tonight's WWE Title tournament that will crown a new champion.

WWE Title Tournament Match: The Miz vs. Alex Riley

We go to the ring for tonight's opener as The Miz makes his way out, limping to the ring. We go to commercial.

Back from the break and out comes Alex Riley. The bell rings and here we go. Riley goes for Miz's injured leg early on but can't get it. Miz rolls Riley up for a quick pin attempt. Riley rams Miz back in the corner but it's broken up. Riley finally takes Miz's leg out and goes to work on it. Riley pulls Miz's leg and slams it into the ringpost twice. Riley comes back in and applies a half Boston crab.

Riley kicks Miz in the head and drops him for a close 2 count. Riley charges in the corner but Miz moves and he hits the ringpost. Miz with a 2 count. Miz mounts Riley now and hits him with a series of right hands. The referee pulls Miz off. Miz applies a headlock but Riley fights out and slams Miz back on his head. Riley takes Miz down with forearms and hits a spinebuster for 2. They go back and forth on holds. Riley runs into a big boot in the corner. Miz goes to the second rope but lands wrong and Riley catches him in a Sharpshooter. Miz makes it to the ropes and breaks the hold.

More back and forth action and it doesn't look like they're on the same page timing wise. Riley gets tangled up with the referee and Miz hits Skull Crushing Finale for the win and to advance in the tournament.

Winner: The Miz

- We see R-Truth walking and talking to himself backstage as we go back to commercial.

- Back from the break and we get a promo video for John Morrison.

WWE Title Tournament Match: R-Truth vs. Jack Swagger

We go to the ring and out comes R-Truth, followed by his opponent Jack Swagger.

The bell rings and they lock up. They break apart and lock up again. Swagger with a side headlock. Truth dazes Swagger with a big right hand and rolls him up for a 2 count. They lock up again and go to the corner. Swagger with shoulder thrusts. Swagger slams Truth and covers him for 2. Swagger uses the ropes on Truth and side slams him for another 2 count. Swagger continues the offense and beats Truth back down.

Swagger whips Truth hard into the corner and he goes down again. Swagger goes for the big second rope splash out of the corner and nails it for yet another pin attempt. Truth fights out of a hold but Swagger scoops him on his shoulders. Truth counters, ducks a clothesline and hits a heel kick on Swagger for a 2 count. Truth with a big right hand. Truth misses a scissors kick. Swagger trips him and goes for the ankle lock. Truth rolls out of it and covers Swagger for the win and to advance in the tournament.

Winner: R-Truth

- We get hype for Kofi Kingston vs. Alberto Del Rio, which is up next. Back to commercial.

WWE Title Tournament Match: Alberto Del Rio vs. Kofi Kingston

Back from the break and RAW Money in the Bank winner Alberto Del Rio comes driving into the arena for the next tournament match. Del Rio enters the ring with his briefcase and says his name is, his name is... Mr. Money in the Bank Alberto Del Rio. Del Rio talks about winning last night and then trying to cash in on CM Punk. Del Rio says Punk ran away like a chicken. Del Rio says all of this happened because John Cena couldn't do his job. Del Rio says he hopes Cena gets fired because WWE needs a new leader - a better one and a stronger one, he says. Del Rio reminds us that it's his destiny to become WWE Champion. Del Rio's music hits again and out comes Ricardo Rodriguez, returning from injury. Ricardo speaks in Spanish about Del Rio and does his normal introduction. Back to commercial.

Back from the break and out comes Kofi Kingston. The bell rings and they lock up. Del Rio takes it to the corner and kicks Kofi in the gut. Del Rio kicks Kofi in the back of the head and goes for a 2 count. Kofi fights back with right hands and dropkicks Del Rio for a pin attempt. Del Rio comes back with a kick and knees. Del Rio drops Kofi with a shoulder and ducks some kicks. Kofi with a flying elbow for a 2 count.

Kofi with right hands and a big uppercut on Del Rio for another pin attempt. Del Rio jumps at Kofi but flies out to the floor. Kofi dives through the ropes, landing on Del Rio and the floor outside of the ring. Kofi brings it back in the ring but Del Rio kicks him in the head for another pin attempt. Del Rio stomps on Kofi's head now and covers for yet another pin attempt. Del Rio with a headlock now. Del Rio with more offense and another pin attempt. Del Rio drops a big elbow and gets yet another 2 count. Del Rio goes back to the headlock now.

Del Rio charges with a dropkick in the corner but Kofi moves and he lands on his head. Kofi makes a comeback now and dropkicks Del Rio, then takes him down with a big forearm. Del Rio catches Kofi with a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker for a 2 count. Del Rio goes for the armbar but Kofi rolls him up for the pin and the win, advancing in the tournament.

Winner: Kofi Kingston

- It will now be Kofi vs. The Miz and R-Truth vs. the winner of Rey Mysterio and Dolph Ziggler. We see Mysterio heading to the ring as we go back to commercial.

- Back from the break and we get replays of Kofi vs. Del Rio. Josh Matthews is backstage with Kofi for an interview. He talks about coming up short at Money in the Bank but says tonight is a new opportunity. Kofi says we just saw him take the first step at becoming the new WWE Champion. One down, two to go he says and walks off.

WWE Title Tournament Match: Rey Mysterio vs. Dolph Ziggler

We go to the ring and out comes Rey Mysterio to a nice reaction from the crowd. Out next comes the WWE United States Champion Dolph Ziggler with Vickie Guerrero.

The bell rings and Ziggler beats Rey down and goes to work. Ziggler runs into a boot in the corner and Rey takes him down. Rey ducks a clothesline but gets kicked. Ziggler launches Rey out of the ring but he lands on his feet. Ziggler comes out and blocks Rey, then drops him face first on the floor. Ziggler brings it back in the ring for a 2 count. Ziggler with an elbow and another 2 count. Ziggler goes to work on Rey's leg now with an odd hold.

They trade pin attempts. Dolph takes back control and drops Rey again for a 2 count. More pin attempts by Ziggler as Vickie yells at ringside. Dolph misses an elbow drop and a splash in the corner. Rey kicks him in the head and covers for 2. Rey with a senton from the top but Ziggler stops him running the ropes. Ziggler kicks Rey's leg out and hits a form of a cutter for 2. They go back and forth. Dolph goes for the sleeper hold but Rey throws him into the turnbuckles. Rey kicks Dolph and goes for a hurricanrana but Dolph catches him. Rey counters the block and goes for 619. Dolph ducks 619 and slams Rey for 2.

Ziggler stomps away now. Rey counters a move and finally hits 619. Rey goes up top and hits the big splash for the pin and the win, advancing in the tournament.

Winner: Rey Mysterio

- We see Vince McMahon and John Laurinaitis talking backstage before another commercial.

Kelly Kelly, Kaitlyn, AJ Lee, Eve Torres, Beth Phoenix, Gail Kim & Natalya vs. Melina, Maryse, Tamina, Rosa Mendes & The Bella Twins

Back from the break and out comes WWE Divas Champion Kelly Kelly with her partners Kaitlyn, AJ Lee, Eve, Beth Phoenix, Gail Kim and Natalya. Out next is Melina, Maryse, Alicia Fox, Tamina, Rosa Mendes, Brie Bella and Nikki Bella.

Beth and Rosa start the match off going at it. Beth slingshot suplexes Rosa for a 2 count. The Bellas break the pin which brings in Natalya and Gail to take them out. All the Divas start brawling at ringside, not even 3 minutes into the match. Beth and Rosa are in the ring still. Beth hits the Glam Slam for the quick win.

Winners: Kelly Kelly, Kaitlyn, AJ Lee, Eve Torres, Beth Phoenix, Gail Kim & Natalya

- Kofi Kingston vs. The Miz is up next as we go to commercial.

WWE Title Tournament Match: Kofi Kingston vs. The Miz

Back from the break and out comes Kofi Kingston for the next tournament match. Out next comes The Miz. The bell rings and they go at it. Kofi goes right for Miz's leg but Miz fights him off. Kofi rolls Miz up early for a 2 count and applies a headlock. Miz fights out but Kofi hits a crossbody for another pin attempt. Kofi dropkicks Miz and covers again.

Miz makes a comeback and grounds Kofi with a headlock. Kofi goes back to Miz's knee. Kofi goes for a dropkick but flies out of the ring. Kofi comes right back and takes out Miz's leg. Kofi leaps into the ring with an elbow drop and another 2 count. Kofi dropkicks Miz's leg again and kicks him in the back for yet another pin attempt. Kofi misses a splash in the corner but manages to kick Miz in the head. Kofi with a big crossbody from the top but Miz rolls through and gets a 2 count. Kofi takes out the knee again and goes back to work. Miz fights back and goes for Skull Crushing Finale but Kofi counters and rolls him up for 2. Miz dumps Kofi's face into the turnbuckle and this time nails the Skull Crushing Finale for the win, advancing in the tournament.

Winner: The Miz

- Scott Stanford is backstage with R-Truth. Truth says he deserves to be WWE Champion more than anyone in the tournament. The conspiracy kept him from the Money in the Bank briefcase but it won't stop him from beating little Rey Rey tonight. Truth says the title is going to get got tonight, and that's the truth. Back to commercial.

- We get a promo video for WWE Tough Enough winner Andy Levine, showing the rough neighborhood that he grew up in.

WWE Title Tournament Match: Rey Mysterio vs. R-Truth

We come back to Rey Mysterio making his entrance. The winner of this match will face The Miz in the finals. Out next comes R-Truth.

The bell rings and Truth knocks Rey down with right hands. Quick pin attempt by Truth. Truth beats on Rey with right hands in the corner and then whips him hard into the opposite corner. 2 count for Truth. Truth suplexes Mysterio and covers for another attempt. Rey tries to make a comeback but Truth clotheslines him and tries for another pin.

Truth continues with the offense and pin attempts. Truth with a body scissors now. Rey finally comes back and counters, arm dragging Truth through the ropes and out to the floor. Rey dives through the ropes and takes Truth out on the floor as we go back to commercial.

Back from the break and Truth has Rey on the mat, hitting him with forearm shots. During the break, Truth knocked Rey off the top but then got hit by a moonsault. Rey fights out of the hold now but Truth stops him. Rey rolls Truth up for 2. Truth comes back with a kick to the face and another pin attempt. Truth mounts Rey with right hands and goes for yet another pin attempt. Lots of pin attempts on tonight's show. Rey ducks a clothesline but gets hit with the flying forearm. Truth with another 2. Truth uses the ropes to choke Rey now. Rey fights back with kicks and drops Truth for 619. Truth stops it and knocks Rey down with a big forearm for 2.

Truth drops Rey on his face now but can't get the pin. Truth charges in the corner but Rey drop toe holds him into the turnbuckles. Rey with kicks now. Truth hits him with a knee and chops. Rey springboards and hits a crossbody for 2. Truth stops Rey again but misses a scissors kick. Rey counters a roll up and kicks Truth in the face for 2. Truth comes back with more offense and another near fall. Rey finally drops Truth for 619 and nails it. Rey goes up top and hits the big splash for the pin, the win and the spot in the finals.

Winner: Rey Mysterio

- Rey celebrates in the ring as we go back to break.

WWE Title Match: The Miz vs. Rey Mysterio

Back from the break and Vince McMahon interrupts introductions for the main event. Vince says they are running out of time tonight and what he has to do is more important. Vince is postponing the WWE Title match until next week. Vince talks about John Cena and thanks him for his contributions. Vince says this is all about business and he's doing what's best for business.

Vince says he makes decisions for the long term and says he doesn't want to have to do this. The crowd chants for CM Punk. Vince says let's get this over with. John Cena's music hits to a mixed reaction, mostly boo's. Out comes Cena to the ring.

Cena says he won't go through the same stuff that Vince McMahon made Shawn Michaels go through. Cena talks about how it was always "HBK screwed Bret" and that he had to carry that with him through his career. Cena says he didn't want to be the guy who screwed CM Punk. Cena tells Punk, if he's watching, that they had a helluva match last night. Cena says Vince wanted the match thrown out last night and he doesn't do business like that. Cena reminds Vince that he has 8 months to find another opponent for The Rock at WrestleMania 28. Cena says he gets to leave with his pride and dignity.

Cena says he truly loves WWE and believes that he belongs here. Cena says if Vince makes him walk tonight, he will walk right onto someone else's TV show and keep doing this, brother, ala Hulk Hogan. Cena says that is no threat, it's a promise. Cena says he won't kiss Vince's ass and goes to walk off. Vince stops him and says Cena won't deny him what he's about to do. Vince says he doesn't want to do this but.... Triple H's music hits and out he comes to a massive pop.

Triple H hits the ring in a suit and says some things in private to Vince. Vince gets a microphone and introduces Triple H as one of the all-time greats and his son-in-law. The crowd pops. Triple H says he got here as fast as he could and says there was a board of directors meeting this morning. Triple H says he received a call this morning to fly back to headquarters for the meeting. The Board asked Triple H to come talk to Vince because they're concerned about the current situation.

Triple H asks Vince if they can talk about this in the back. He says the board is more concerned about Vince. He says it's a given that Vince created WWE but the board is concerned about Vince's decisions as of late. The board has filed an injunction against Vince with a vote of no confidence, Triple H reveals. Triple H says the McMahon family agrees with the injunction. On top of that, the board has appointed someone to takeover the day to day operations of WWE. That person is Triple H. The crowd pops at this news and Vince looks like yeah right.

Triple H says Vince isn't going to fire John Cena and he's not going to be doing anything else. Triple H says Vince taught him since day one that nobody is bigger than this business, nobody. Triple H says this is just business and can't believe he's saying this. Triple H is here to inform Vince that he is relieved of his duties. The crowd cheers.

Vince starts crying as the crowd sings goodbye to him. Triple H looks like he might get emotional also as he keeps his head down. Triple H says he's trying to do what's right for the business and tells Vince to look at him. Triple H says, I love you pop and I'm sorry. Triple H drop the mic and exits the ring while Vince cries his eyes out. The crowd finally claps for Vince as he just stands there in the ring. RAW goes off the air with "Thank you Vince" chants from the crowd as he is still crying.

by UpsideDownFace Tue 19 Jul - 9:02

I agree. This obviously isn't the end

by sodhat Tue 19 Jul - 9:13

I don't see the issue with this RAW really...Vince McMahon was just displaced by HHH -- that's a pretty big development!

It could never live up to MITB anyway, it had everything, the crowd, the match, the ramifications... They just got on with it and furthered a story line that could develop to be great.

Anyone see Punk and Vince aligning as true WWE champ and true WWE owner and coming back to take control of the company?

by UpsideDownFace Tue 19 Jul - 9:16

Apparently Vince came out on the break after Del Rio's entrance and blasted the crowd for being so dead.

by Mr H Tue 19 Jul - 9:35

I havent seen Raw, but are you all disappointed because Punk wasnt there? If so, i think you need a reality check. Punk has said from the start of this angle he was leaving on July 17 as WWE Champion, which he did, so how would it make sense for him to turn up on Raw the next night? I'm glad Punk wasnt on Raw, he'll be back at some point no doubt, but the very next night would have gone completely against the grain.

by sodhat Tue 19 Jul - 9:42

It seems like an element of being spoiled by the last few weeks and the Punk/Cena story. It had to end though -- Cena was supposedly fired and Punk left either way...

On the plus side, it's nice that expectations were high enough to facilitate disappointment!

by RebelBhoy Tue 19 Jul - 9:48

It is a mechanical leap forwards.

they spent ages telling us what it would mean for this prestigious title to be taken out of the wwe.

One day passes and its all "we'll just have a tournament"

So all that had gone before meant nothing.

They could have gotten over that by having Vince running round last night trying to look for loopholes to make punk defend the belt.

they still could have had the same ending, but cite vinces failure to deal with the situation as the reason for getting shpt of him. That makes the things that went on before have importance.

to me, that makes much more sense.

by liverbnz Tue 19 Jul - 9:55

RebelBhoy wrote:It is a mechanical leap forwards.

they spent ages telling us what it would mean for this prestigious title to be taken out of the wwe.

One day passes and its all "we'll just have a tournament"

So all that had gone before meant nothing.

I thought that myself when I read about the tourney although they still haven't crowned a new champion. It was Vince that made the tourney but now he's gone, so could easily be explained in with Vince's strange decisions that have led him to be embargoed.

by talkingpoint Tue 19 Jul - 9:57

unbelievable! I wasn't sure how WWE were going to follow up from last night's resounding success but they've really done themselves proud with this - how historic has the last two days been? CM Punk leaves the WWE as champion and now Vince is relieved of his duties with a vote of no confidence! This is a wrestling story telling masterclass. Brilliant drama.

For all those fans who fell out of love with wrestling you're going to regret not being a part of this and living through it. This is a new epoch in pro wrestling and I'm going a long for the ride!

by **Crimey** Tue 19 Jul - 10:09

I actually thought it was a good show, we had plenty of wrestling, a huge development in the story and it's a good thing Punk wasn't on the show, as I felt that would have ruined the match they had before. I liked that they even tried to avoid saying his name as it really sold the angle.

I don't know what else people expected.

I think it's fairly obvious whether they crown a new champion or not, it will develop into a story at a later point when CM Punk returns with the title.

I thought the Vince Triple H thing while it seemed cheesy was done in a realistic way, although I was hoping for Haitch to scream; "YOUUUU'REEEE FIIIIRREEEED!" and Pedigree Vince, but it wouldn't really have made much sense.

I really don't know what more everybody was expecting...

by greggschickenbake Tue 19 Jul - 10:34

I just watched the Vince-Triple H segment and for how cheesy it was, it is a major development, on-air anyway. Triple H as the on-air chairman could end up being a thing of beauty considering he plays a good face and a brilliant heel, he could play it either way (please heel). A fued between him and CM Punk at some stage could be amazing, just think Vince-Austin but evolved.

by Guest Tue 19 Jul - 10:57

After MitB, Raw was always going to be nothing but a disappointment.

The only thing that made it any different from any other Raw was the Vince segments throughout the night. As big as a downer it appeared to be, hopefully it means a lot more air time for Trips.

I'd like to think that somewhere in the future Shane O Mac will bring Punk back and do a "I should be the next chairman, not you" thing against Trips but it's probably the longest of long shots.

by **Crimey** Tue 19 Jul - 11:00

I thought there was quite a bit of good wrestling in the show actually, considering they'd done the Money in the Bank match before the matches were pretty good for a standard Raw show.

by RuggerRadge2611 Tue 19 Jul - 11:11

Vinnie Mac has just been usurped by Trips and people are disapointed? To me that is a monumental shift in the WWE storyline and a master stroke of story telling.

Whats the problem?

by HitmanOwl Tue 19 Jul - 11:12

If you had stayed up to watch this you would have felt deflated. I enjoyed the wrestling,the end segment was pretty good.

Obviously next weeks raw will be better and further enhance the story.

by talkingpoint Tue 19 Jul - 11:13

greggschickenbake wrote:I just watched the Vince-Triple H segment and for how cheesy it was, it is a major development, on-air anyway. Triple H as the on-air chairman could end up being a thing of beauty considering he plays a good face and a brilliant heel, he could play it either way (please heel). A fued between him and CM Punk at some stage could be amazing, just think Vince-Austin but evolved.

This is a huge development and I really can't understand why people are complaining and whining about Raw - if you stayed up to watch it after MITB then your reaction will probably be at least partially influenced by lack of sleep and weariness. Secondly an episode of Raw is never in a million years going to top one of the best PPVs in the modern era of wrestling. Keep your expectations realistic! This is a historic Raw - HHH has just become the official chairman of the WWE (at least on screen). It is the ultimate irony that Vince has got fired!!! Come'n people look at the bigger picture!!! steam

by Beer Tue 19 Jul - 11:16

It was never going to top MITB, and in fairness, it did it's job. It closed off the Vince/Cena issue and then gave us more to hook in to....

1) Where is Punk?
2) When's he coming back?
3) What's happening with HHH?
4) Are we getting a new title?
5) Will Cena go after Punk?

This could be brilliant.

by Guest Tue 19 Jul - 11:16

Can anyone else see Punk returning with the title and feuding with whoever the new champion will be?

Can see this following a similar path to HBk and Razor Ramon with a ladder match being used to settle it.

Punk claiming as he never lost the belt that he is still the champion, both titles above the ring etc.

Or should Punk not return anytime soon, will WWE invoke the old Punk stripped of the title due to not defending it within 30/60/90 days of his win.

by greggschickenbake Tue 19 Jul - 11:18

talkingpoint wrote:
greggschickenbake wrote:I just watched the Vince-Triple H segment and for how cheesy it was, it is a major development, on-air anyway. Triple H as the on-air chairman could end up being a thing of beauty considering he plays a good face and a brilliant heel, he could play it either way (please heel). A fued between him and CM Punk at some stage could be amazing, just think Vince-Austin but evolved.

This is a huge development and I really can't understand why people are complaining and whining about Raw - if you stayed up to watch it after MITB then your reaction will probably be at least partially influenced by lack of sleep and weariness. Secondly an episode of Raw is never in a million years going to top one of the best PPVs in the modern era of wrestling. Keep your expectations realistic! This is a historic Raw - HHH has just become the official chairman of the WWE (at least on screen). It is the ultimate irony that Vince has got fired!!! Come'n people look at the bigger picture!!!

This was exactly what I was thinking, I've just started watching the rest of the show and tbh, the fact that it's close to a night of wrestling is a good thing. This was probably the best way to move on, tease that they'll be a new WWE Champion then BAM. Well, maybe a BAM.

by HitmanOwl Tue 19 Jul - 11:21

Well cena is not fired. I guess that's a plus,when will he get his rematch?

Hopefully trips ain't gonna face taker now aswell.

by Mark_Seven Tue 19 Jul - 11:27

The only problem I had with it was before Wrestlemania we were told how Triple H is cold and feels no remorse or emotion, but now he's on raw on the verge of tears. I suppose it is his father in law but it raised a question mark in my mind.

Surely there will be a response from Vince, he wont just leave at that. Or is he done as an on-screen character?

by greggschickenbake Tue 19 Jul - 11:31

Lets look at how ruthless Triple H was during his reigns as Champion and the potential of how ruthless he could be as a chairman.

It has been a very historic couple of days, which is surely setting up a Punk-HHH fued.

by **Crimey** Tue 19 Jul - 11:50

I'm going to merge the two threads.

by liverbnz Tue 19 Jul - 11:51

Mark_Seven wrote:The only problem I had with it was before Wrestlemania we were told how Triple H is cold and feels no remorse or emotion, but now he's on raw on the verge of tears. I suppose it is his father in law but it raised a question mark in my mind.

Surely there will be a response from Vince, he wont just leave at that. Or is he done as an on-screen character?

Wrestling fans are not supposed to have memories.

by Mark_Seven Tue 19 Jul - 12:05

liverbnz wrote:
Mark_Seven wrote:The only problem I had with it was before Wrestlemania we were told how Triple H is cold and feels no remorse or emotion, but now he's on raw on the verge of tears. I suppose it is his father in law but it raised a question mark in my mind.

Surely there will be a response from Vince, he wont just leave at that. Or is he done as an on-screen character?

Wrestling fans are not supposed to have memories.

My mistake! Surely even the kids can remember as far back as Wrestlemania though. My 10 year-old cousin even said to me this morning "Triple h wouldn't cry would he".

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