The Mayweather vs Pacquiao Debate

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It is an issue that polarises the sport, and get the most headlines. It is because the are opposites in the the ring and out.

Inside the ring Mayweather is a defensive fighter, safety first, whilst Manny is an attacking fighting that brings the excitement. Outside the ring Manny is well liked, humble happy and at peace, whilst Mayweather seems angry brash, arrogant, mentally troubled and problems with the law.

It is no surprise since they seem to be polar opposites that they split opinion.

In this thread I would like to discuss how there careers match up and who would win should they eventually face each other in the ring.

Forget it kid..I asked him to tell me the rounds Paccy won in Marquez 1 apart from the 1st 10-7...............and he never came back..

JMM committed and left himself open, will Floyd? Marquez got caught around 300 times, he paid when he countered.

Floyd after advice from Uncle Roger took the fight to Zab led with the straight right and bullied Judah and backed him up. He couldn't wait for Judah to throw so he threw first. Lucky Uncle Roger was there.

D4thincarnation wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEC12ieb8TI

Manny is also a better musician that Floyd.

How can he show his face after this. Floyd you are a disgrace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9lcgRYZT1Y&feature=related

Manny is by no mean a good singer but compared to Floyd, there is no contest.

Floyd has better looking booty in his vid.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Forget it kid..I asked him to tell me the rounds Paccy won in Marquez 1 apart from the 1st 10-7...............and he never came back..

10-7, try 10-6.

Pacquiao won rounds 1, 2,7,,9,10,12

D4thincarnation wrote:JMM committed and left himself open, will Floyd? Marquez got caught around 300 times, he paid when he countered.

Floyd after advice from Uncle Roger took the fight to Zab led with the straight right and bullied Judah and backed him up. He couldn't wait for Judah to throw so he threw first. Lucky Uncle Roger was there.

So you criticise Floyd for changing tactics mid fight? That shows intelligence. Pac fights in a one dimentional manner. He must be thick. No plan B hence JMM beat him only to be robbed by 3 blind judges.

What is the puropse of having your seconds to give advice between rounds? Wake up and remove the blinkers mate.

What a wally..............Every single publication had Marquez by a wide margin...........

Problem is you're so far up Paccy's behind you can't think straight..

Not criticising him for it, but it was Uncle Roger that gave him the heads up to change the plan.

The point I was making that Floyd could not counter Zab, why, speed and a southpaw. What is Pacquiao, a speed merchant and a southpaw and much much more than Judah, plus Zab is crazy.

Pacquiao was not losing every round he was winning the fight and started the brighter in both fight Marquez came back in the middle and the latter rounds Pacquiao won.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What a wally..............Every single publication had Marquez by a wide margin...........

Problem is you're so far up Paccy's behind you can't think straight..

That is a lie a lot of publications had Pacquiao winning. Do you really want me to post them.

D4thincarnation wrote:Not criticising him for it, but it was Uncle Roger that gave him the heads up to change the plan.

The point I was making that Floyd could not counter Zab, why, speed and a southpaw. What is Pacquiao, a speed merchant and a southpaw and much much more than Judah, plus Zab is crazy.

Pacquiao was not losing every round he was winning the fight and started the brighter in both fight Marquez came back in the middle and the latter rounds Pacquiao won.

And did he have the skill and intelligence to execute a new game plan? Its the traine's job to do just that.

Zab is much faster that Pac. If Clottey could hit Pac when he decided to throw a punch just imagine what Floyd would do to that even bigger head.

D4thincarnation wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:What a wally..............Every single publication had Marquez by a wide margin...........

Problem is you're so far up Paccy's behind you can't think straight..

That is a lie a lot of publications had Pacquiao winning. Do you really want me to post them.

Go ahead. Reputable publications please.

Manny was giving Clottey window's for free shots to get him to open up a bit more.

Just be thankful Mayweather never fought Clottey, Dallas would be a ghost town if that fight happened there.

D4thincarnation wrote:Manny was giving Clottey window's for free shots to get him to open up a bit more.

Just be thankful Mayweather never fought Clottey, Dallas would be a ghost town if that fight happened there.

Very generous of Manny. Clottey took those chances Manny gave him. Floyd would break through those windows and score a shut out. The more I think of their relative skills, the easier I see the fight for Floyd.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/May-09-Sun-2004/sports/23843427.html

Pacquiao wanting an immediate rematch

Pacquiao was robbed by a judge dropping the ball.


HBO scored it 115-110 Pacquiao.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3kZz34XeE&feature=related

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=compubox-manny-pacquiao-juan-manuel-marquez

Compubox.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxingandmma/2378770/Boxing-Williams-mindful-of-weighty-matters.html

Marquez saying he not interested in a rematch with Pacquiao

Manny is defensively very mediocre.

Clottey & margarito are both slow but they both managed to hit him, clottey had him all marked up and couldnt miss with the uppercut when he could be bothered to throw it, marg hit him far too many times for comfort.

Offensively manny's excellent but his all round game isnt as good as floyds.

D4 always bangs on about judah the fast southpaw being the blueprint for how manny beats floyd, but floyd had him sussed after 3 rounds, didnt lose a round after the 5th. Zab got rounds 1,2, & 4 and was eating straight rights and body shots all night.

I've said before that stylistically floyd is a nightmare for manny as manny will have to think too much in the fight. Doesn't suit him, he fights better on instinct, but floyd wont walk toward him and leave him an easy target to hit. It's all very well throwing 100's of punches against a static journeyman like clottey, the output will mysteriously drop when he gets caught with clean counters every time he squares up to unload. Getting hit clean deters fighters from throwing their own punches, as all floyds previous opponents will testify.

Manny wont KO floyd if floyd trades, mannys power at 147lb is nothing special (oscar, clottey & marg never went down despite all 3 being sitting ducks for various reasons) and floyd is evasive and has a sound chin. Just more of D4's wishful thinking thats all.

Mannys great and has had a better career, but floyd is more naturally talented and even if he hasn't neccessarily fulfilled that talent 100% it doesn't alter the fact he's a better all round boxer than manny and a smarter fighter. Floyd wins a close-ish UD for me after a few troublesome early rounds.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:Manny is defensively very mediocre.

Clottey & margarito are both slow but they both managed to hit him, clottey had him all marked up and couldnt miss with the uppercut when he could be bothered to throw it, marg hit him far too many times for comfort.

Offensively manny's excellent but his all round game isnt as good as floyds.

D4 always bangs on about judah the fast southpaw being the blueprint for how manny beats floyd, but floyd had him sussed after 3 rounds, didnt lose a round after the 5th. Zab got rounds 1,2, & 4 and was eating straight rights and body shots all night.

I've said before that stylistically floyd is a nightmare for manny as manny will have to think too much in the fight. Doesn't suit him, he fights better on instinct, but floyd wont walk toward him and leave him an easy target to hit. It's all very well throwing 100's of punches against a static journeyman like clottey, the output will mysteriously drop when he gets caught with clean counters every time he squares up to unload. Getting hit clean deters fighters from throwing their own punches, as all floyds previous opponents will testify.

Manny wont KO floyd if floyd trades, mannys power at 147lb is nothing special (oscar, clottey & marg never went down despite all 3 being sitting ducks for various reasons) and floyd is evasive and has a sound chin. Just more of D4's wishful thinking thats all.

Mannys great and has had a better career, but floyd is more naturally talented and even if he hasn't neccessarily fulfilled that talent 100% it doesn't alter the fact he's a better all round boxer than manny and a smarter fighter. Floyd wins a close-ish UD for me after a few troublesome early rounds.

I agree with the exception of the score being close. Manny is made for Floyd. He comes forward throwing punches 10 to the dozen. Floyd hs met swarmers before. Manny has never met a slick and masterful boxer like floyd. Easy night for Floyd imo. I also think Floyd will will do an Ali on Manny to teach him a lesson. Floyd will do a number on him and put an exclamaition mark with a KO.

Floyd more naturally talented :huh: You are having a laugh.

Floyd abilities are learned, he was in a boxing gym before he could walk. Manny has much more natural ability, he took up boxing late to help feed his family and had to rely on his natural talents.

And the only reason why Manny won't knock Floyd out is because Floyd won't be man enough to grow a pair step up to the plate and fight Manny.

D4thincarnation wrote:Floyd more naturally talented :huh: You are having a laugh.

Floyd abilities are learned, he was in a boxing gym before he could walk. Manny has much more natural ability, he took up boxing late to help feed his family and had to rely on his natural talents.

Is he feeding his other family? It doesn't matter when each started boxing and why. What matters are their respective skills. Floyd has more.

D4thincarnation wrote:Floyd abilities are learned, he was in a boxing gym before he could walk. Manny has much more natural ability, he took up boxing late to help feed his family and had to rely on his natural talents.

How late did the 16 year old pro and former amateur boxer with 60 odd fights take it up?

D4thincarnation wrote:And the only reason why Manny won't knock Floyd out is because Floyd won't be man enough to grow a pair step up to the plate and fight Manny.

Take the test Manny. Random means random with no cut off date. D4th, if Floyd goes to jail, will you accuse him of going there to duck Manny?

At least 10 years later than Floyd. And Manny lack good training in his early days, and relied on his god given talents.

Floyd has his father and his uncles training him from the cradle, if Manny would have that type of training imagine how good he could be.

Manny also lived in abject poverty and was malnourished.

So with modern nutrition and training how good could Manny be?

D4thincarnation wrote:Manny also lived in abject poverty and was malnourished.

So with modern nutrition and training how good could Manny be?

He'd be a 20 weight world champion by now. Unified.

D4thincarnation wrote:At least 10 years later than Floyd. And Manny lack good training in his early days, and relied on his god given talents.

Floyd has his father and his uncles training him from the cradle, if Manny would have that type of training imagine how good he could be.

Manny also lived in abject poverty and was malnourished.

So with modern nutrition and training how good could Manny be?

Faldo took up golf at 14. Poulter was nothing more than a club pro until he knuckled down. I could go on and on.

It's a weak arguement at its very best.

Just Flip off D4, you're getting ruined by the same people all over.

You claim to be a "30 year old man" yet display the mental age of a 12 year old in love with Justin Bieber, it's pathetic

I think Pacquiao has had more than enough experience with the benefits of 'modern nutrition'. How many times D4 do you have to blow smoke up Pacquiao's bum? I've had something like a three-hour nap and you're STILL repeating yourself. About 90% of the things you say are merely your opinions, not facts. That makes them no more valid than anyone else's opinions, but by all means: don't let the truth stand in the way of a good yarn, eh?

D4thincarnation wrote:At least 10 years later than Floyd. And Manny lack good training in his early days, and relied on his god given talents.

Floyd has his father and his uncles training him from the cradle, if Manny would have that type of training imagine how good he could be.

Manny also lived in abject poverty and was malnourished.

So with modern nutrition and training how good could Manny be?

Good grief. The bottom of the barrel has been scraped and now you're reaching for the sediments. So many boxers grew up in abject poverty yet became greats. Moreover you can argue that growing up in poverty made manny more hungry and train harder thereby negating whatever advantage you claim Floyd may have.

coxy0001 wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:At least 10 years later than Floyd. And Manny lack good training in his early days, and relied on his god given talents.

Floyd has his father and his uncles training him from the cradle, if Manny would have that type of training imagine how good he could be.

Manny also lived in abject poverty and was malnourished.

So with modern nutrition and training how good could Manny be?

Faldo took up golf at 14. Poulter was nothing more than a club pro until he knuckled down. I could go on and on.

It's a weak arguement at its very best.

Just Flip off D4, you're getting ruined by the same people all over.

You claim to be a "30 year old man" yet display the mental age of a 12 year old in love with Justin Bieber, it's pathetic

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2Hdqk5OQNdc/TCQVLKPGtJI/AAAAAAAAAx4/hUYPsWy4Bck/s1600/manny+bieber.jpg

Just for you coxy

coxy0001 wrote:Azania

It's because D4 is a Kumquat

D4 is cool. He has his opinions which are .....err....his!

Coxy, that haircut was meant to make Manny look like Bruce Lee, not the Bieber..! How unsporting and dastardly of you to pick on a man of such saintly good standing when he's not here to defend himself against your knavishness!! What next; will you pick apart Mother Teresa for her choice in sandals? The world stands aghast!!

The point being Manny is more naturally talented than Mayweather.

That pictures class

Here you go D4, in case you missed this:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311942

Who's Krista Ranillo anyway?

D4thincarnation wrote:The point being Manny is more naturally talented than Mayweather.

That is plainly wrong and factually incorrect.

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:The point being Manny is more naturally talented than Mayweather.

That is plainly wrong and factually incorrect.

Why is that wrong?

Speed, power, tenacity, heart, chin, natural. Manny beats Floyd on every count.

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:The point being Manny is more naturally talented than Mayweather.

That is plainly wrong and factually incorrect.

Why is that wrong?

Speed, power, tenacity, heart, chin, natural. Manny beats Floyd on every count.

Wrong on speed. Tenacity? Different fight styles. Heart? How can you question Floyd's heart? Chin? Floyd has not been KO'd. Natural talent? Floyd has more. The fight will happen. Floyd wll win. Manny will have to take the test though. I wonder if Manny understands the meaning of random.

Dear me, D4 has got you fellas eating out of the palm of his hand.

Heart? How much heart can a man who won't take a blood test have? And what the hell does 'natural' mean? On it's own it means nothing! Natural WHAT?? Natural hair? Natural bikini line? Natural lashes? Natural ability to move up through weight classes in a manner which in and of itself seems artificially enhanced and highly suspect? Must be that last one.

I just hope Mayweather fights and beats Pacquiao; because D4 will then have literally nothing to talk about.

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:The point being Manny is more naturally talented than Mayweather.

That is plainly wrong and factually incorrect.

Why is that wrong?

Speed, power, tenacity, heart, chin, natural. Manny beats Floyd on every count.

Speed? Manny jumps around more and throws more shots so looks more of a blur, but actual handspeed is probably about the same, they are both quick in different ways.

Power? Manny was more powerful at the lower weights, but he's not ko'd anyone at 147.

Tenacity? Are they dogs? How is that a natural boxing skill, it depends on the fighters style as to whether they need to be tenacious. Mickey ward was tenacious, floyd doesn't need to be.

Heart? Mayweather trains harder than anyone, has never been stopped and always finds a way to win even through moments of adversity. His heart and will to win is unquestionable.

Chin? Mayweather never been ko'd, unlike manny who has been stopped twice. Mosley is the biggest puncher in the ww division and mayweather took his biggest shots and carried on fighting. Shots that previously dropped the so called granite chinned margarito. Not bad for a former sfw to suck up those kind of shots.

Natural? Natural what? Manny has natural energy, aggression and power at the lower weights, but not the natural instinct to defend himself. Roach had to train that into him, and even then he's still not exactly top draw defensively. He was one dimensional and one handed too before roach refined him, so how you can say he was a natural boxer is ridiculous. Great as he is, he doesn't have the all round game of a natural boxer. He's a natural fighter, but that's a different thing.

http://www.boxingscene.com/floyd-mayweathers-assault-hearing-pushed-april-28--36829

Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s preliminary hearing has been pushed back to April 28. Mayweather was scheduled to appear on Thursday in a Las Vegas courtroom to face several felony charges. Mayweather is facing eight misdemeanor and felony charges stemming from a dispute with the mother of his children, Josie Harris, which took place last September. Mayweather is alleged to have beat his ex-girlfriend over several alleged text messages that were found on her cell phone from another man.

Coincidentally Braehmer vs Cleverly fight has been pushed back to May 21st because of Braehmer court date for his allege part in an assault going back to 2008

Why has Braehmer had not problem continuing his boxing and Floyd career had to be put on hold because of his court dates.

Lets remember Floyd said publicly that he would a year or two out before his legal troubles.

Can Floyd blame his inactivity, his refusal to fight Pacquiao on his legal problem especially when thinking about the Braehmer situation.

http://www.boxingscene.com/braehmer-court-date-prior-cleverly-defense--36833

Errr, well for one thing D4; they are from completely different countries with different laws....

IF YOU GO ON YOUTUBE you'll find that almost all the purists and greats from recent times who have been asked all pick Mayweather over Manny....Boxers don't always make the greatest judges but considering guys like Leonard, Holmes etc all picked the thug/aggressor Tyson to beat the purist Spinks then it kind of suggests they feel Mayweather's skill will be too much for Manny to handle.....

Camacho, Leonard, Spinks, Marquez ,Holmes all pick Mayweather to have too much class.........Where as I can only find Bonecrusher Smith to back Manny....

Greg Haugen is another who backs Mayweather.............

A train of thought obviously is if Marquez can hand the filipino his backside what will the more highly skilled American do!!!

For me floyd needs to fight as soon as possible as ring rust can soon set in and as Manny will no doubt try to handicap Floyd in some way in the negotiations as shown in his recent forays into the ring he doesn't need to cut him anymore slack!!

Are the greats wrong??? and if they are why?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Are the greats wrong??? and if they are why?

Can't say for sure until Mayweather keeps himself out of trouble for long enough to actually make the fight happen. For what it's worth, I agree with the names you've mentioned; I think Mayweather beats Pacquiao much more often than not. In short, I think Mayweather's defensive skills are superior to Pacquiao's offensive ones, and as I can't ever see the fight going any other way than Pacquiao being the aggressor and Mayweather countering in his usual style, I think this is what would settle it.

Is this another Floyd v Manny debate, Truss?

King Beer wrote:Is this another Floyd v Manny debate, Truss?

Merge it, sick of hearing about the pair of them


Rodders

Much like the bookies tend have a guy as favourite for a bloody good reason, there's a reason why those people favour Floyd to beat Manny.

As Chris states, if they fought 100 times, there's an argument for Manny to prevail a few times but overwhelmingly you'd have to favour Floyd

Merge please, bored of this now, not helped when other posters start topics on the subject

Just what the world needs; another Mayweather Pacquiao discussion.

Merged!

Hagler thinks Pacquiao will win

Also why are they putting so much emphasis on the Marquez fights.

Margarito KOed Martinez and Pacquiao gave Margarito the biggest beating of his life. So this means Pacquiao should school Martinez does it?