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Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
So it's just 12 days to before the season starts up again and the run up to the World Cup starts in earnest. This fixture against Scotland is one of three games before the squad announcement so will be very important when considering selection. This one of Scotland's two games and will probably be seen as the more important to them. What team would you select for this Test?
MBTGOG- Posts : 4602
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Ferris on the bench. Wallace at 12. Try out Jones and Earls at fb. Give Murray a rub out. Try Ryan in the second row.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
And when I say rub out I clearly mean run out.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
WillyGilly wrote:And when I say rub out I clearly mean run out.
You sure?
Mick(TEFC)- Posts : 1111
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
i'd go for something like this
healy
best
ross
doc
poc
Sob
wallace
the slip
redden
sexton
fitz
wallace
BOD
bowe
kearney
Bench
court
flannery
ferris
cullen
murray
ROG
Earls
I think Fitz needs the game more then earls or trimble at the start
And as its the first game not mess around too much
Gete the subs on early, before people start jumping down my throat its a warm up game so others will get there chance in the next game
i have spoken
healy
best
ross
doc
poc
Sob
wallace
the slip
redden
sexton
fitz
wallace
BOD
bowe
kearney
Bench
court
flannery
ferris
cullen
murray
ROG
Earls
I think Fitz needs the game more then earls or trimble at the start
And as its the first game not mess around too much
Gete the subs on early, before people start jumping down my throat its a warm up game so others will get there chance in the next game
i have spoken
D24tress- Posts : 520
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
So, just a warm up team, D24tress? nothing too heavy?
Mick(TEFC)- Posts : 1111
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
oh its heavy alright we want to bloody win the thing aswell.
But against scotland we will need a strong pack
(ease ferris in with 30mins against a scotland backrow.....easy)
SOB to 8 aswell for a while
Good test of wallaces defense at international against a team that has a ball carrying 12
fitz needs to start having good games and i could see it here
kearney needs games quick aswell
second game start
cullen
earls
mcfadden
ferris
maybe ryan and murray
But against scotland we will need a strong pack
(ease ferris in with 30mins against a scotland backrow.....easy)
SOB to 8 aswell for a while
Good test of wallaces defense at international against a team that has a ball carrying 12
fitz needs to start having good games and i could see it here
kearney needs games quick aswell
second game start
cullen
earls
mcfadden
ferris
maybe ryan and murray
D24tress- Posts : 520
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Would mix up established and potential players for Scotland
Grant Ford Murray Hamilton Kellock Brown Denton Barclay Cusiter Jackson Danielli Morrison Cairns R.Lamont Cuthbert
- Subs: Dickinson Thomson Harley Vernon Laidlaw De Luca Paterson
By default the team for Italy is based on those not playing Ireland
Grant Ford Murray Hamilton Kellock Brown Denton Barclay Cusiter Jackson Danielli Morrison Cairns R.Lamont Cuthbert
- Subs: Dickinson Thomson Harley Vernon Laidlaw De Luca Paterson
By default the team for Italy is based on those not playing Ireland
Boston Exile- Posts : 143
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Well, it's hard to say. I believe there are doubts over the fitness of Gordon D'Arcy?
In that case, I would like to see Wallace start at 12 with McFadden on the bench to come in the second half so that we assess our options without him. O'Driscoll to start outside them.
O'Gara has also had a mild injury which has set him back in terms of his training so I would start with Sexton. Give him gametime with Reddan, probably our first choice combination, and have Conor Murray making his debut off the bench to see if he's capable of making the step up.
Elsewhere, I suppose its just a case of looking at combinations. Rob Kearney needs gametime if he's fit and ready and so does Jerry Flannery. If they are both fit, I would start them. Earls having had the lions share of gametime on the left wing means I'd like to see Trimble play there again, alongside Kearney and Bowe. Earls and Fitzgerald both rested. I'd like to see the rest of our first choice front row with Flannery and O'Connell our lineout chief. I'd also Donnacha Ryan a chance to impress.
In the backrow I'd like to see the Leinster combination of O'Brien and Jennings together, to see if they can do the business as a partnership in green, and I'd like to look at Denis Leamy at 8 as we know what Heaslip can do. I think seeing Jennings and Leamy on the same pitch together will help clarify which of them should take the last backrow spot.
1. Cian Healy
2. Jerry Flannery
3. Mike Ross
4. Donnacha Ryan
5. Paul O'Connell
6. Sean O'Brien
7. Shane Jennings
8. Denis Leamy
9. Eoin Reddan
10. Johnny Sexton
11. Andrew Trimble
12. Paddy Wallace
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Rob Kearney
16. Rory Best 17. Tom Court 18. Donncha O'Callaghan 19. David Wallace 20. Conor Murray 21. Ronan O'Gara 22. Fergus McFadden
Then for the next game Rory Best, Donncha O'Callaghan, Stephen Ferris, David Wallace, Jamie Heaslip, Tomas O'Leary, Ronan O'Gara, Keith Earls and Luke Fitzgerald will return to the team.
In that case, I would like to see Wallace start at 12 with McFadden on the bench to come in the second half so that we assess our options without him. O'Driscoll to start outside them.
O'Gara has also had a mild injury which has set him back in terms of his training so I would start with Sexton. Give him gametime with Reddan, probably our first choice combination, and have Conor Murray making his debut off the bench to see if he's capable of making the step up.
Elsewhere, I suppose its just a case of looking at combinations. Rob Kearney needs gametime if he's fit and ready and so does Jerry Flannery. If they are both fit, I would start them. Earls having had the lions share of gametime on the left wing means I'd like to see Trimble play there again, alongside Kearney and Bowe. Earls and Fitzgerald both rested. I'd like to see the rest of our first choice front row with Flannery and O'Connell our lineout chief. I'd also Donnacha Ryan a chance to impress.
In the backrow I'd like to see the Leinster combination of O'Brien and Jennings together, to see if they can do the business as a partnership in green, and I'd like to look at Denis Leamy at 8 as we know what Heaslip can do. I think seeing Jennings and Leamy on the same pitch together will help clarify which of them should take the last backrow spot.
1. Cian Healy
2. Jerry Flannery
3. Mike Ross
4. Donnacha Ryan
5. Paul O'Connell
6. Sean O'Brien
7. Shane Jennings
8. Denis Leamy
9. Eoin Reddan
10. Johnny Sexton
11. Andrew Trimble
12. Paddy Wallace
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Rob Kearney
16. Rory Best 17. Tom Court 18. Donncha O'Callaghan 19. David Wallace 20. Conor Murray 21. Ronan O'Gara 22. Fergus McFadden
Then for the next game Rory Best, Donncha O'Callaghan, Stephen Ferris, David Wallace, Jamie Heaslip, Tomas O'Leary, Ronan O'Gara, Keith Earls and Luke Fitzgerald will return to the team.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
I think you can expect a Scotland team to look something like this:
1.Jacobsen 2.Ford 3.Cross 4.Gray 5.Kellock 6.Harley 7.Barclay 8.Denton 9.Cusiter 10.Jackson 11.Danielli 12.S Lamont 13.Ansbro 14.R Lamont 15.CP
16.Murray 17.S Lawson 18.Hamilton 19.Beattie 20.Laidlaw 21.Morrison 22.Cuthbert
AR has already made it clear that the five rested at the end of the season will be expected to play, and I think Max Evans is still in trouble with the law, so that gives us a hint. He's also spoken highly of the debutants, Harley, Denton and Cuthbert, and suggested they'll be involved, so I think he'll take a look at them either as starters or from the bench. I also think that he'll take a look at Greg Laidlaw, either as a 9 or a 10, or in both positions at some stage. We don't have a 3rd fly half specialist, and with a 17/13 split likely, he'll want to know whether Laidlaw can cut it.
Just a guess, reckon it won't be far away though.
1.Jacobsen 2.Ford 3.Cross 4.Gray 5.Kellock 6.Harley 7.Barclay 8.Denton 9.Cusiter 10.Jackson 11.Danielli 12.S Lamont 13.Ansbro 14.R Lamont 15.CP
16.Murray 17.S Lawson 18.Hamilton 19.Beattie 20.Laidlaw 21.Morrison 22.Cuthbert
AR has already made it clear that the five rested at the end of the season will be expected to play, and I think Max Evans is still in trouble with the law, so that gives us a hint. He's also spoken highly of the debutants, Harley, Denton and Cuthbert, and suggested they'll be involved, so I think he'll take a look at them either as starters or from the bench. I also think that he'll take a look at Greg Laidlaw, either as a 9 or a 10, or in both positions at some stage. We don't have a 3rd fly half specialist, and with a 17/13 split likely, he'll want to know whether Laidlaw can cut it.
Just a guess, reckon it won't be far away though.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Remember that for the next game we have France away in Bordeaux which I see being the key game in the pre-RWC games.
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I think we'll put out a strong side to try and get off to a winning start.
If I'm more than two players (injuries not withstanding) out in the side below I'll eat my hat .
15 Earls
14 Bowe
13 O'Driscoll
12 McFadden
11 Trimble
10 Sexton
9 Reddan
8 Heaslip
7 Wallace
6 O'Brien
5 O'Connell
4 O'Callaghan
3 Ross
2 Best
1 Healy
Bench: Court, Flannery, Cullen, Ferris, Murray, ROG, Kearney
If I'm more than two players (injuries not withstanding) out in the side below I'll eat my hat .
15 Earls
14 Bowe
13 O'Driscoll
12 McFadden
11 Trimble
10 Sexton
9 Reddan
8 Heaslip
7 Wallace
6 O'Brien
5 O'Connell
4 O'Callaghan
3 Ross
2 Best
1 Healy
Bench: Court, Flannery, Cullen, Ferris, Murray, ROG, Kearney
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Court-Best-Ross
Cullen-O'Callaghan
Ferris-Heaslip-Wallace
Reddan-ROG
Wallace-O'Driscoll
Trimble-Kearney-Bowe
Something like the above. I'd have most of the established players on the field. If Wallace is to be the centre replacement for Darcy, he needs to get game time there. Kearney should get some minutes as with Ferris.
I would say the 10-11 of the first XV should be playing in the first warm up game, the england / france games in the Aviva. After that I'd mix it up between established combinations and new kids. How many warm up games are there going to be? How many games/half(s) should each player be given? Is it worth anything to give a kid a shot in a warmup game if the entire side is basically the 'possibles' with the probables in the stand looking on?
Cullen-O'Callaghan
Ferris-Heaslip-Wallace
Reddan-ROG
Wallace-O'Driscoll
Trimble-Kearney-Bowe
Something like the above. I'd have most of the established players on the field. If Wallace is to be the centre replacement for Darcy, he needs to get game time there. Kearney should get some minutes as with Ferris.
I would say the 10-11 of the first XV should be playing in the first warm up game, the england / france games in the Aviva. After that I'd mix it up between established combinations and new kids. How many warm up games are there going to be? How many games/half(s) should each player be given? Is it worth anything to give a kid a shot in a warmup game if the entire side is basically the 'possibles' with the probables in the stand looking on?
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
I think certain people here have it spot on, that we need to test players coming back from injury and newbies WITH established players.
I think Jones and Ferris need to be considered in this match and if ROG is unfit have Wallace as outhalf cover (better safe than sorry on ROG here) but apart from that I agree with notch's 22 exactly.
1. Cian Healy
2. Jerry Flannery
3. Mike Ross
4. Donnacha Ryan
5. Paul O'Connell
6. Sean O'Brien
7. Shane Jennings
8. Denis Leamy
9. Eoin Reddan
10. Johnny Sexton
11. Andrew Trimble
12. Paddy Wallace
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Felix Jones
16. Rory Best 17. Tom Court 18. Donncha O'Callaghan 19. Stephen Ferris 20. Conor Murray 21. Fergus McFadden 22. Rob Kearney
My reason for including Jones is, if he can't do it against Scotland, realistically he probably won't against France, we do not have enough time either to let people have a few bites at the cherry so think this game is a must for him.
My reasons for leaving ROG out are...
1) He may still have a niggle only started back in training fully a few days ago. I rate the guy so much and his value to ireland that I don't think he should be risked.
2) I wan't Kearney and Jones both to have a go at 15 with the rest of this back3
3) If we have to have Wallace as back up 10 in any match it should be this one
I think Jones and Ferris need to be considered in this match and if ROG is unfit have Wallace as outhalf cover (better safe than sorry on ROG here) but apart from that I agree with notch's 22 exactly.
1. Cian Healy
2. Jerry Flannery
3. Mike Ross
4. Donnacha Ryan
5. Paul O'Connell
6. Sean O'Brien
7. Shane Jennings
8. Denis Leamy
9. Eoin Reddan
10. Johnny Sexton
11. Andrew Trimble
12. Paddy Wallace
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Felix Jones
16. Rory Best 17. Tom Court 18. Donncha O'Callaghan 19. Stephen Ferris 20. Conor Murray 21. Fergus McFadden 22. Rob Kearney
My reason for including Jones is, if he can't do it against Scotland, realistically he probably won't against France, we do not have enough time either to let people have a few bites at the cherry so think this game is a must for him.
My reasons for leaving ROG out are...
1) He may still have a niggle only started back in training fully a few days ago. I rate the guy so much and his value to ireland that I don't think he should be risked.
2) I wan't Kearney and Jones both to have a go at 15 with the rest of this back3
3) If we have to have Wallace as back up 10 in any match it should be this one
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
15 Kearney (need to see asap what his form is). If he breaks down, you need to be able to bring someone on.
14 Bowe
13 O'Driscoll
12 Wallace
11 Trimble
10 Sexton
9 O'Leary (need to know asap what his form is)
8 Heislip
7 Wallace
6 Ferris (better to know first if he can last a game rather than bringing him on and then he breaking down)
5 O'Connell
4 O'Callaghan
3 Ross
2 Flannery (need to know if he can last a game).
1 Healy
Bench: Court, Best, Cullen, O'Brien, Reddan, ROG, Jones
I'd start all the ones who are coming back from injury and who have been out for a while.
14 Bowe
13 O'Driscoll
12 Wallace
11 Trimble
10 Sexton
9 O'Leary (need to know asap what his form is)
8 Heislip
7 Wallace
6 Ferris (better to know first if he can last a game rather than bringing him on and then he breaking down)
5 O'Connell
4 O'Callaghan
3 Ross
2 Flannery (need to know if he can last a game).
1 Healy
Bench: Court, Best, Cullen, O'Brien, Reddan, ROG, Jones
I'd start all the ones who are coming back from injury and who have been out for a while.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
I think the Ireland team will have more of a "possibles" look to it, with the next two warm-up games being used as the key warm-ups for the 1st XV.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Scotland game were used to finalise the prop selections, so looking to Buckley, Court and Horan, and also to see what sort of shape Flannery is in. I'd also want to see what Ryan looks like at lock, perhaps with Cullen or DOC.
Perhaps also a good time to see what McFadden looks like at 12, with Reddan at 9 and BOD at 13 (at least for 40 minutes).
With two further games following this one, I think Kidney will treat this as more of a warm-up warm-up, and give some time to the borderline selections. As I noted above, Scotland will take this one more seriously, so expect to see core first choice units such as the front five, half backs and centres picked. I think AR will only experiment in a couple of places, and with players he needs to look at in order to determine final squad selection.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Scotland game were used to finalise the prop selections, so looking to Buckley, Court and Horan, and also to see what sort of shape Flannery is in. I'd also want to see what Ryan looks like at lock, perhaps with Cullen or DOC.
Perhaps also a good time to see what McFadden looks like at 12, with Reddan at 9 and BOD at 13 (at least for 40 minutes).
With two further games following this one, I think Kidney will treat this as more of a warm-up warm-up, and give some time to the borderline selections. As I noted above, Scotland will take this one more seriously, so expect to see core first choice units such as the front five, half backs and centres picked. I think AR will only experiment in a couple of places, and with players he needs to look at in order to determine final squad selection.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
01 Tom Court
02 Jerry Flannery
03 Mike Ross
04 Donncha O'Callaghan
05 Paul O'Connell
06 Denis Leamy
07 Sean O'Brien
08 Jamie Heaslip
09 Tomas O'Leary
10 Jonathon Sexton
11 Luke Fitzgerald
12 Paddy Wallace
13 Brian O'Driscoll
14 Tommy Bowe
15 Rob Kearney
16 Rory Best
17 Tony Buckley
18 Donnacha Ryan
19 David Wallace
20 Eoin Reddan
21 Fergus McFadden
22 Keith Earls
02 Jerry Flannery
03 Mike Ross
04 Donncha O'Callaghan
05 Paul O'Connell
06 Denis Leamy
07 Sean O'Brien
08 Jamie Heaslip
09 Tomas O'Leary
10 Jonathon Sexton
11 Luke Fitzgerald
12 Paddy Wallace
13 Brian O'Driscoll
14 Tommy Bowe
15 Rob Kearney
16 Rory Best
17 Tony Buckley
18 Donnacha Ryan
19 David Wallace
20 Eoin Reddan
21 Fergus McFadden
22 Keith Earls
Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Agh Sin has a point too, don't knw what I'd do now.
Not sure if there is a point really in trying out Horan, McCarthy, Boss and players like that Funny who really are not going to make the 30 at all
Not sure if there is a point really in trying out Horan, McCarthy, Boss and players like that Funny who really are not going to make the 30 at all
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
I want to see definitely :
Flannery, O'Leary, Kearney play. O'Brien to get gametime at 7 and Paddy Wallace to start at 12.
Flannery, O'Leary, Kearney play. O'Brien to get gametime at 7 and Paddy Wallace to start at 12.
Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
I wasn't suggesting McCarthy or Boss. I do think there's an argument for trying Horan on the bench though for this one.
Obviously Healy and Ross are going, and they'll play the other two warm-ups.
Obviously Healy and Ross are going, and they'll play the other two warm-ups.
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A few things I'd like to see:
-Buckley play a full game
-O'Brien playing at 8
-Murray at scrum half
-McFadden at inside centre
-Kearney at full back
-Buckley play a full game
-O'Brien playing at 8
-Murray at scrum half
-McFadden at inside centre
-Kearney at full back
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Had no idea we were so close to the start of all these games!
Am I right in thinking the ones who need game time are....??
Flannery (injury)
Ryan (see what he is made of)
Leamy (see what sort of form he has)
Ferris (injury)
Jennings (see what sort of form he has)
O'Leary (see what sort of form he has)
Wallace (see what sort of form he has)
Fitzgerald (see what sort of form he has)
McFadden (see what he is made of)
Kearney (injury)
Jones (see what he is made of)
Am I right in thinking the ones who need game time are....??
Flannery (injury)
Ryan (see what he is made of)
Leamy (see what sort of form he has)
Ferris (injury)
Jennings (see what sort of form he has)
O'Leary (see what sort of form he has)
Wallace (see what sort of form he has)
Fitzgerald (see what sort of form he has)
McFadden (see what he is made of)
Kearney (injury)
Jones (see what he is made of)
pete (buachaill on eirne)- Posts : 5882
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Ferris needs to play in all these warm up matches because a match fit Ferris could be the diffrence with us beating or losing to Aus
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
I also want to see McFadden given game time because Darcy needs to be replaced
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pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:Had no idea we were so close to the start of all these games!
Am I right in thinking the ones who need game time are....??
Flannery (injury)
Ryan (see what he is made of)
Leamy (see what sort of form he has)
Ferris (injury)
Jennings (see what sort of form he has)
O'Leary (see what sort of form he has)
Wallace (see what sort of form he has)
Fitzgerald (see what sort of form he has)
McFadden (see what he is made of)
Kearney (injury)
Jones (see what he is made of)
Can't disagree on the logic. But how do you play ALL of those players, and still give the 1st team a good run together in 4 games?
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Agree with the 1st half of the sentence, the 2nd half should be Darce needs to recover from injury.C'mon You Irish wrote:I also want to see McFadden given game time because Darcy needs to be replaced
I would take McFadden ahead of Wallace as a 12. Or as an 11, or a 13, or a 14, even a 15 (Well perhaps I would move another player to 15) But Wallace is probably ahead because he is a 3rd 10.
Personally I would take the risk and bring McFadden ahead of him. (Don't think Kidney will though)
If he brings them both then Trimble or Fitzgerald would have to stay behind. Can't see that happening baring injury.
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pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:Had no idea we were so close to the start of all these games!
Am I right in thinking the ones who need game time are....??
Flannery (injury)
Ryan (see what he is made of)
Leamy (see what sort of form he has)
Ferris (injury)
Jennings (see what sort of form he has)
O'Leary (see what sort of form he has)
Wallace (see what sort of form he has)
Fitzgerald (see what sort of form he has)
McFadden (see what he is made of)
Kearney (injury)
Jones (see what he is made of)
Realistically Kidney should know the majority of his 30man squad and the scotland and connacht games are the only ones in which there is any room to experiment. So bearing that in mind you would hope that murray, flannery, jones, kearney, ferris, leamy and jennings get gametime in the scotland match. tol is going to be in the squad more than likely unless hes injured so he'll need gametime. Wallace is going to make the squad but we need to see if hes good enough to start against australia. mc fadden is against fitz so they will both need time on the wing. leamy is a poor 8 but he will probably be played there as ryan and ferris need time at 6. So bearing all that in mind and being experimental as possible with lots of people fighting for squad places.
Kearney
Mcfadden (at 14)
Fitz ( I think trimble is safe enough in the squad so fitz needs to impress at 11)
Earls (backup 13 in kidneys minds, therefore he really needs a game there)
wallace
sexton
murray
leamy
sob
ferris
poc
ryan
buckley
flannery
court
You wouldn't really expect that team to win and its probably too far from the team that will be picked but I think all those players need time in those positions.
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Jenifer Darcy should be no where near the first team injured or not he has been terrible for a good 2 years now. He cant tackle he cant pass there is only so much BOD can do to make up for Darcy's poor play
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Whereas McFadden who hasn't played regularly at 12 provincially never mind internationally is therefore a better bet. Now that is sense.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
I'm not a D'Arcy fan particularly, but he is the guy stopping McFadden from getting gametime in his preferred position.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Jennings broke something during the Magners. Doubt if he will be up to being involved in any meaningful way against Scotland.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Kearney, Flannery and Ferris getting game time would be my priority. We know that all three have been world class performers in the past. But we don't know what type of form and fitness they are in after long injury lay offs. It takes real games to get them up to match sharpness mentally and physically. I'd want them playing in most of the warm ups. If they can't get up to speed we really shouldn't take them. If they can they could make a huge difference in the World Cup. Ferris and Kearney would be starting if at their very best. Flannery would be a very valuable backup to Best. Far more reliable than Cronin.
I think POC wil want plenty of game time after his limited involvement in last season. Thankfully he should be fit and raring to go. Given that D'arcy is injured how about trying 12. BOD 13. Earls? Probably to late to be trying things like that.
I think POC wil want plenty of game time after his limited involvement in last season. Thankfully he should be fit and raring to go. Given that D'arcy is injured how about trying 12. BOD 13. Earls? Probably to late to be trying things like that.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Sin é wrote:Jennings broke something during the Magners. Doubt if he will be up to being involved in any meaningful way against Scotland.
Ah shoyte. Well a good chance to bring Ferris back in and getting some gametime then.
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Feckless Rogue wrote:Kearney, Flannery and Ferris getting game time would be my priority. We know that all three have been world class performers in the past. But we don't know what type of form and fitness they are in after long injury lay offs. It takes real games to get them up to match sharpness mentally and physically. I'd want them playing in most of the warm ups. If they can't get up to speed we really shouldn't take them. If they can they could make a huge difference in the World Cup. Ferris and Kearney would be starting if at their very best. Flannery would be a very valuable backup to Best. Far more reliable than Cronin.
I think POC wil want plenty of game time after his limited involvement in last season. Thankfully he should be fit and raring to go. Given that D'arcy is injured how about trying 12. BOD 13. Earls? Probably to late to be trying things like that.
Ferris and kearney will be okay I'd say, flannery is the real worry.
If earls is seen as our second choice 13, then he has to get time there.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
What is BOD's recent form like? I know he is generally rated as one of the best 13's in rugby. Is he still as good as ever or is he slipping?
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Rob B wrote:What is BOD's recent form like? I know he is generally rated as one of the best 13's in rugby. Is he still as good as ever or is he slipping?
He better be in seriously good form, he will be meeting Jacque Fourie and Jean de Villiers vs the boks and Adam Ashley cooper and McCkay vs the Aussies.
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O'Driscoll has got the better of Mortlock and Tuqiri against Australia before I dont think Adam Ashley Cooper will have him intimidated., I would say he also got the better of Fourie last time they met in 09. Not that I need to point any of this out as being Brian O'Driscoll he is expected to outplay these guys and I have no doubt he can do again.
As for the Ireland team against Scotland....
I think a lot of Leinster fans are still in dreamland with regard to Fitzgerald, the guy has done nothing for a season and its being continuously picked whilst out of form that has put him in this position in the first place. I cannot see him making the WC squad based on form, if anything it will be based on reputation. I think he is well behind Trimble and Earls for the 11 shirt and might not even travel if McFadden does instead.
Which is another thing Leinster fans should realise - McFadden and Fitzgerald wont both be going. Im surprised that most Leinster fans seem to be opting for Fitzgerald given his tragic form. This whole mess could of been avoided if Fitzgerald had been dropped by Leinster when he should of been and McFadden given a run out at 11 in the Leinster first team.
I dont think Fitzgerald should be travelling to the WC, and to be honest the way he's been playing doesnt bare thinking about when he could be opposite someone like Digby Ioane.
For Scotland I would go with-
15 - Felix Jones
14 - Tommy Bowe
13 - Brian O'Driscoll
12 - Paddy Wallace
11 - Andrew Trimble
10 - Jonny Sexton
9 - Eoin Reddan
8 - Denis Leamy
7 - Shane Jennings
6 - Sean O'Brien
5 - Paul O'Connell
4 - Donncha Ryan
3 - Mike Ross
2 - Jerry Flannery
1 - Cian Healy
Bench:- Best, Court, O'Callaghan, Wallace, Murray, O'Gara and Earls.
Given Kearney and McFadden a run out in the next game. Along with Ferris of course.
As for the Ireland team against Scotland....
I think a lot of Leinster fans are still in dreamland with regard to Fitzgerald, the guy has done nothing for a season and its being continuously picked whilst out of form that has put him in this position in the first place. I cannot see him making the WC squad based on form, if anything it will be based on reputation. I think he is well behind Trimble and Earls for the 11 shirt and might not even travel if McFadden does instead.
Which is another thing Leinster fans should realise - McFadden and Fitzgerald wont both be going. Im surprised that most Leinster fans seem to be opting for Fitzgerald given his tragic form. This whole mess could of been avoided if Fitzgerald had been dropped by Leinster when he should of been and McFadden given a run out at 11 in the Leinster first team.
I dont think Fitzgerald should be travelling to the WC, and to be honest the way he's been playing doesnt bare thinking about when he could be opposite someone like Digby Ioane.
For Scotland I would go with-
15 - Felix Jones
14 - Tommy Bowe
13 - Brian O'Driscoll
12 - Paddy Wallace
11 - Andrew Trimble
10 - Jonny Sexton
9 - Eoin Reddan
8 - Denis Leamy
7 - Shane Jennings
6 - Sean O'Brien
5 - Paul O'Connell
4 - Donncha Ryan
3 - Mike Ross
2 - Jerry Flannery
1 - Cian Healy
Bench:- Best, Court, O'Callaghan, Wallace, Murray, O'Gara and Earls.
Given Kearney and McFadden a run out in the next game. Along with Ferris of course.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
biltongbek wrote:Rob B wrote:What is BOD's recent form like? I know he is generally rated as one of the best 13's in rugby. Is he still as good as ever or is he slipping?
He better be in seriously good form, he will be meeting Jacque Fourie and Jean de Villiers vs the boks and Adam Ashley cooper and McCkay vs the Aussies.
I thought BOD's form was generally very good this season although not quite on par with his heroic 2009 form. He scored some very good and important tries, looked sharp in attack and the 1st half against Northampton apart was imperious in defence. His pace is not what it was but he's made more line breaks this season than I've seen in the last few and his ball skills are still sublime.
I think its the other players who need to be concerned about facing him to be honest.
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Artful_Dodger wrote:I dont think Fitzgerald should be travelling to the WC, and to be honest the way he's been playing doesnt bare thinking about when he could be opposite someone like Digby Ioane.
While I would agree that Fitzgerald shouldn't go on form I think you're being unfair to him there. It's his attacking form that's been poor, his defence has always been excellent.
Anyway, any defender is going to struggle against the likes of Ioane and O'Connor (who he'd be up against as Ioane also plays on the left), I think Fitzgerald would do as good a job as any other in terms of defence.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Thought on this over night a fair bit (I am sad, yes), think I've gone for this.
1 Healy
2 Flannery
3 Ross
I want to get Fla in the team to see what he can do now and how he is after such a long injury lay off but don't think that much will be gained or learned if he is playing with 2 non starter props. We need to see if Fla can handle the pace and intensity and we need to find this out quickly.
4 O'Connell
5 Ryan
I think POC could still benefit from game time after such an interrupted season. I want Ryan in there to see what he can do against a bruising pack and a good lineout. POC will act as the experience to steady the engine room.
6 Ferris
7 O'Brien
8 Leamy
Ferris needs to be tested to see if he can get back to the level he was at and if he can even last a whole game.The more gametime he gets the better. I want to see SOB at 7 to see if he can handle the step up with Ferris acting as the ruck hitter. Leamy deserves at least one shot and realistically he needs to take it.
9 O'Leary
10 Sexton
O'Leary in the same boat as Fla and Ferris in the fact he needs game time and fast to see if he is fit and can handle the pace. On top of that we also need to see if he has developed his game at all to a quicker tempo.
12 Wallace
13 O'Driscoll
With Darcy out this combination has to be played.
11 Trimble
14 Bowe
15 Kearney
Kearney is similar to O'Leary, he needs to show fitness, the ability to match game intensity but also show that his game has developed. Trimble needs a game after injury and to compete for the 11 jersey. Bowe could do with a game re: his form and is also there so there isn't a raft of changes.
7 out of 15 players are regulars as such so it gives a good balance between newbies and returning players and guys who have been playing internationally for Ireland recently.
My bench:
Hayes: last chance has to take it.
Best: an opportunity to throw against a very good defensive lineout
O'Callaghan: in there in case Ryan doesn't bring enough grunt
Heaslip: to come on after 60 mins to see how Ferris-heaslip-SOB work as a combo unless of course there is an injury
Murray*: to come on at half time
McFadden: to come on around 55/60
Jones*: to come on at half time
*= here there is a direct contrast. 2 players who were world class but have been injured and have not been playing well with two guys on the bench who have been playing exceptionally well but are very inexperienced. As I see it both deserve an equal chance that is why I would bring the * players on at half time [no later than 50mins]
1 Healy
2 Flannery
3 Ross
I want to get Fla in the team to see what he can do now and how he is after such a long injury lay off but don't think that much will be gained or learned if he is playing with 2 non starter props. We need to see if Fla can handle the pace and intensity and we need to find this out quickly.
4 O'Connell
5 Ryan
I think POC could still benefit from game time after such an interrupted season. I want Ryan in there to see what he can do against a bruising pack and a good lineout. POC will act as the experience to steady the engine room.
6 Ferris
7 O'Brien
8 Leamy
Ferris needs to be tested to see if he can get back to the level he was at and if he can even last a whole game.The more gametime he gets the better. I want to see SOB at 7 to see if he can handle the step up with Ferris acting as the ruck hitter. Leamy deserves at least one shot and realistically he needs to take it.
9 O'Leary
10 Sexton
O'Leary in the same boat as Fla and Ferris in the fact he needs game time and fast to see if he is fit and can handle the pace. On top of that we also need to see if he has developed his game at all to a quicker tempo.
12 Wallace
13 O'Driscoll
With Darcy out this combination has to be played.
11 Trimble
14 Bowe
15 Kearney
Kearney is similar to O'Leary, he needs to show fitness, the ability to match game intensity but also show that his game has developed. Trimble needs a game after injury and to compete for the 11 jersey. Bowe could do with a game re: his form and is also there so there isn't a raft of changes.
7 out of 15 players are regulars as such so it gives a good balance between newbies and returning players and guys who have been playing internationally for Ireland recently.
My bench:
Hayes: last chance has to take it.
Best: an opportunity to throw against a very good defensive lineout
O'Callaghan: in there in case Ryan doesn't bring enough grunt
Heaslip: to come on after 60 mins to see how Ferris-heaslip-SOB work as a combo unless of course there is an injury
Murray*: to come on at half time
McFadden: to come on around 55/60
Jones*: to come on at half time
*= here there is a direct contrast. 2 players who were world class but have been injured and have not been playing well with two guys on the bench who have been playing exceptionally well but are very inexperienced. As I see it both deserve an equal chance that is why I would bring the * players on at half time [no later than 50mins]
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Lets face facts, whatever centre combination Scotland throw up will not really be a concern to Brian O'Driscoll
I reckon the Scotland team will look something like this :
1. Jacobsen
2. Ford
3. Murray
4. Gray
5. Kellock
6. Brown
7. Barclay
8. Denton
9.Cusiter
10. Jackson
11. R. Lamont
12. S. Lamont
13. Ansbro
14. Danielli
15. Cuthbert
16.Cross 17.S Lawson 18.Hines 19.Beattie 20.Laidlaw 21.Morrison 22.Paterson
Kicking duties shared by Cuthbert and Jackson. I reckon Mossy is the stronger option at full back based on how well he played in the 6N but Cuthbert is certainly the future of that position, with Rory Lamont's abilities needed on the wing.
I reckon the Scotland team will look something like this :
1. Jacobsen
2. Ford
3. Murray
4. Gray
5. Kellock
6. Brown
7. Barclay
8. Denton
9.Cusiter
10. Jackson
11. R. Lamont
12. S. Lamont
13. Ansbro
14. Danielli
15. Cuthbert
16.Cross 17.S Lawson 18.Hines 19.Beattie 20.Laidlaw 21.Morrison 22.Paterson
Kicking duties shared by Cuthbert and Jackson. I reckon Mossy is the stronger option at full back based on how well he played in the 6N but Cuthbert is certainly the future of that position, with Rory Lamont's abilities needed on the wing.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
I think that is probably your best centre partnership, although Evans probably warrents a place over Danielli no??
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
I think Evans might still have some legal troubles pete. I think Ansbro and Lamont as a centre partnership has potential to work well. I'd still have concerns about Lamont's ability at 12 though. Although I think he's a fine winger. I know this may not be popular but I think Morrison still has a lot to offer, especially paired with an exciting talent such as Ansbro.
As always the Scotland pack is a formidable looking beast.
As always the Scotland pack is a formidable looking beast.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
The threat of Ansbro running wide would compliment Lamont/Morrison running straight and vice vearse IMO.
What's all this about Evans' legal troubles!?!?!
What's all this about Evans' legal troubles!?!?!
pete (buachaill on eirne)- Posts : 5882
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
He was charged with assault. This is a link to the BBC article back in May. Maybe one of the Scotland guys could give us more updated information?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-13423707
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-13423707
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Yikes that's not all that great seems like a real nice guy.
Don't see your preffered team up here MMC who would you choose?
Don't see your preffered team up here MMC who would you choose?
pete (buachaill on eirne)- Posts : 5882
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Not sure what the actuall situation is with Max Evans at the moment. I think he has been training with the squad but I don't think he'll be featuring in the warm up games.
In truth I would have liked to see Jim Thompson come into the training squad, he is a player more like Evans, an ellusive runner with good lines and an eye for a gap, rather than the big bruising wingers we tend to produce (Walker, Lamont, Danielli).
Evans would be a starter on the Wing bu for arguments sake regarding his trial, I think the majority of Scotland posters are ommiting him due to uncertainty over his future.
In truth I would have liked to see Jim Thompson come into the training squad, he is a player more like Evans, an ellusive runner with good lines and an eye for a gap, rather than the big bruising wingers we tend to produce (Walker, Lamont, Danielli).
Evans would be a starter on the Wing bu for arguments sake regarding his trial, I think the majority of Scotland posters are ommiting him due to uncertainty over his future.
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Just wondering lads,besides the England game which is on Sky,does anyone know if these games will be on RTÉ/BBC/Canal+ ?
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Re: Ireland Team for Scotland Warm Up Clash
Not a clue thomond I imagine they will be on rte though. The Connacht game however I am not so sure of....also the pre seasons games for the provinces they aren't normally televised are they?
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No,they're not.
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