India going to pay the price for exclusion of RP Singh.

India going to pay the price for exclusion of RP Singh. (I have been feeling jittery since the day one about it)


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RP Singh's Profile

With the ability to swing the ball at good pace on a batting wicket, Rudra Pratap Singh is one of the promising young bowlers to have emerged out of Uttar Pradesh in India. He was one of the strike bowlers for the Indian Under-19 team during the World Cup in Dhaka in February 2004. He registered his maiden five-wicket haul in Test cricket at Lord's on the 2007 England tour and played his part in India winning the Test series there. RP Singh was the second highest wicket taker in the Twenty20 World Cup in South Africa in September 2007 taking 12 wickets in 7 matches. He took four wickets in four overs as India eliminated South Africa from the tournament by winning the Super-8 stage match.


(R P Singh was included in the Test squad for the tour to England and performed well, taking 5/59 at Lord's his first five-wicket-haul in Tests. In the one-day series he took seven wickets at 31.71 from five matches.)

Can't remember you mentioning this one before the utter annihilation in the 1st test...

I can't remember much of RP Singh actually, was it him that was taken apart by Pietersen over in India a few years back when he went for about 20 off an over? If it is, then he looked quite promising in parts - with a good action.

RP is not that biggie in the bowlers world, but England conditions suits him, he was the leading test wicket taker in 2007 against SA, as well as a top bolwer in one of the IPL seasons.

Strange that he is not even in the squad, then.

It will be interesting to see how Sreesanth goes, he is a bit of an enigma, can be very good in parts but also a bit wild. Depends which Sree turns up!

Fists of Fury wrote:Strange that he is not even in the squad, then.

It will be interesting to see how Sreesanth goes, he is a bit of an enigma, can be very good in parts but also a bit wild. Depends which Sree turns up!

picking Sree instead of Munaaf is a big mistake, and fielding after winning the toss is the biggest of all mistakes.

hmmm maybe rp singh should have been in the squad, he does have decent record in england.

Picking Sree and fielding doesn't look like a bad decision to me right now!

activereactive wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:Strange that he is not even in the squad, then.

It will be interesting to see how Sreesanth goes, he is a bit of an enigma, can be very good in parts but also a bit wild. Depends which Sree turns up!

picking Sree instead of Munaaf is a big mistake, and fielding after winning the toss is the biggest of all mistakes.

Hardly. They have negated Englands most potent weapon, their attacking swing bowler with the new ball in overcast consitions, whilst hideing their biggest weakness...second choice openers having to face the best swing attack in world cricket in overcast conditions.
This way India are likely to get the best of the batting conditions. They have decent rewards from the new ball despite having pedestrain bowlers. If they can get England out for under 400 then come out to bat midway through a sunnday day 2 their openers will have coinfidence in freiendly conditions and then the mid order, their strength, could build on that and get a big lead.

The alternative was geting put in and being 2-3 down themselevs at this point facing a fired up England.

completely agree with PSW there. India's decision was more the result of their team combenation rather than anything else. They have at least given themselves a hope of a chance with that call. whether it comes through eventually is a different matter, but so far, it hasn't gone all wrong.

RP Singh was dropped for absolutely the riht reasons, he lost his place in the team because of continuous poor performance. He did nothing much to reclaim his place. Sreesanth has bowled some decent and at times world class match winnings spels in the mean time, and Munaf has returned through some decent ODI performances.
Zaheer is a left-armer, RP being a lefty doesn't mean he can step in for Zaheer just like that. One is a legend of Indian cricket, and the other is just a below average bowler who has to go some way to be even considered for a recall.

At last I was right about something today.

Certainly the correct decison for India.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:At last I was right about something today.

Certainly the correct decison for India.

I will eat my words, and start liking Sree, if he wins man of the match award at Trentbridge.

IIRC RP Singh was dropped for some mediocre performances at home vs Australia in 2008? Since then the pace dropped and he lost his big inswinger.

longhopmerchant wrote:IIRC RP Singh was dropped for some mediocre performances at home vs Australia in 2008? Since then the pace dropped and he lost his big inswinger.

ever wondered how Bhajji gets selected, deapite failure after failure !!

activereactive wrote:

longhopmerchant wrote:IIRC RP Singh was dropped for some mediocre performances at home vs Australia in 2008? Since then the pace dropped and he lost his big inswinger.

ever wondered how Bhajji gets selected, deapite failure after failure !!

I heard from a friend of mine, that Punjab and Delhi selectors vote together, so Harbhajan has big backing.

activereactive wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:At last I was right about something today.

Certainly the correct decison for India.

I will eat my words, and start liking Sree, if he wins man of the match award at Trentbridge.

Sree could be the best bowler in the world but if he doesnt change his personality he'd stil be unpopular. A distinctly uncouth chap.
Only a little beter than Stuart Broad and his support of Voldermort.

completely agree on Harbhajan's undeserved selection. 'Today, een when conditions didn't favor spinners, Harbhajan bowled 5 top class overs, and looked like getting a wicket every ball. Stuart Broad, who played like Bradman ad never looked like getting was taken out by a Harbhajan special, and in BC 40, he scored a ton against New Zealand, and in 2001 he took 32 wickets aginst Australia.'
That will be the official line.
Rant over.
But seriously, Harbhajan has made a good contribution to Indian cricket over a long career, but at the moment, he just doesnt look like having any kind of bowoling form, and doesn't look like India's leading spinner. Like Yuvraj last year, Harbhajan needs a spel outside the team. He should be missing the feel of international cricket for some time, to get the fire going.

msp83 wrote:
But seriously, Harbhajan has made a good contribution to Indian cricket over a long career, but at the moment, he just doesnt look like having any kind of bowoling form, and doesn't look like India's leading spinner. Like Yuvraj last year, Harbhajan needs a spel outside the team. He should be missing the feel of international cricket for some time, to get the fire going.

The real #1 teams (like Oz) make their so called legends warm the bench, and play waterboy's role.

Another supreme contribution from Harbhajan with the bat this, a first ball duck!. absolutely golden from the legend.
Although to be fair, he had got a massive inside edge on that one. If he doesn't perform in England's 2nd innings, then it should be time India think beyond Har bhajan.
The thing in Harbhajan's favor is that the other Indian spinners have been even poorer. Amit Mishra was distinctly below average in the West Indies series, Ojha doesn't turn it much. Chawla doesn't have the control or variation to make it big at the international level. Iqbal Abdullah or Ravindra Jadeja are not quite there even for ODI games, and Rahul Sharma too has a fair way to go.
The only other hope is Ravichandran Ashwin, who has already proved his class at the ODI level, and of late, he has been better than Bhaji in hat format. But Ashwin's FC record, while not average, isn't spectacular, and it remains to e seen how he'll take to test crickeet.
If the Indian selectors are willing to their mind open, there still is a decent option available. Age may not be on Murali Kartik's side, but at least in the short run, he seems a sound option.
time to say bye to Harbhajan, and bring in Kartik or Ashwin. They both are decent lower order bats as well, and that part is also covered.

Id be harsher on Bhaji if swanns bowling figures in this series werent just as bad.
I dont know if its good to chuck a bowler like ashiwn into th middle of a high prssure tight series wherespnners have ben next to useless and in conditions completly alien to him. It would be a risk not only for the remaining tests but also his future confidence and career.

msp83 wrote:Another supreme contribution from Harbhajan with the bat this, a first ball duck!. absolutely golden from the legend.
Although to be fair, he had got a massive inside edge on that one. If he doesn't perform in England's 2nd innings, then it should be time India think beyond Har bhajan.
The thing in Harbhajan's favor is that the other Indian spinners have been even poorer. Amit Mishra was distinctly below average in the West Indies series, Ojha doesn't turn it much. Chawla doesn't have the control or variation to make it big at the international level. Iqbal Abdullah or Ravindra Jadeja are not quite there even for ODI games, and Rahul Sharma too has a fair way to go.
The only other hope is Ravichandran Ashwin, who has already proved his class at the ODI level, and of late, he has been better than Bhaji in hat format. But Ashwin's FC record, while not average, isn't spectacular, and it remains to e seen how he'll take to test crickeet.
If the Indian selectors are willing to their mind open, there still is a decent option available. Age may not be on Murali Kartik's side, but at least in the short run, he seems a sound option.
time to say bye to Harbhajan, and bring in Kartik or Ashwin. They both are decent lower order bats as well, and that part is also covered.

R Ashwin's average in 1st class cricket may not be as brilliant as other up coming Indian spinners, but isn't Chennai as flat a pitch as anywhere in the World? I mean guys like Mikund, Badrinath and Vijay all average 50+ in 1st class cricket, yet are dreadful in International cricket.

Murali Kartik knows English conditions as good as anyone else do, and he has been taking wickets in one of the flattest tracks in England.
Swann may not have a lot of wickets to show for, but he bowled really well at lord's At TB he didn't do great, mostly because he wasn't fully fit, and then Rahul Dravid, and rather surprisingly Yuvraj Singh took the attack to him.
Harbhajan's case is different, he never could control the runs, and the 2 wickets he got, well, Andrew Strauss played an atrocious sweep from way outside off, and Stuart Broad slogged out looking for quick runs during the last wicket stand.
Swann made very significant contributions with the bat in both matches, a crucial partnership with KP at Lord's, and a very significant effort along side Broad at Trent Bridge. What has Harbhajan done? a 2nd ball duck at lord's in the first innings, and a terrible, mindless slog when India was looking to save the match 2nd time around. May have got a tough call at TB, but the overall fact is that Harbhajan's game is not in working order at the moment.

msp83

Harbhajan is spineless. No Zaheer Khan and the youngsters struggling, yet he claiming a back injury and resting in the players box. Gutless.

longhopmerchant wrote:msp83

Harbhajan is spineless. No Zaheer Khan and the youngsters struggling, yet he claiming a back injury and resting in the players box. Gutless.

At least he turned up for ths one unlike kahn

Thats a bit riddiculous to accuse him offaking injury to avoid bowling.

longhopmerchant wrote:msp83

Harbhajan is spineless. No Zaheer Khan and the youngsters struggling, yet he claiming a back injury and resting in the players box. Gutless.

Munaaf Patel owuld have been a better choice ahead of Sree, or even Pravin Kumar, I saw Munaaf giving lodsa autographs yesterday at the Trentbridge, also saw Zahir going out of the stedia for a jog or shopping with secuirty guards.

Kumar has done very well, your best bowler, in fact. Sreesanth has also had a decent impact. I think you are scraping the barrel by suggesting that Munaf would have had any more success.

munaf is a very econnomical bowler but dosent take many wickets

Munaf has had a dredful record with regard to his attitude while playing test cricket. The West Indies series didn't suggest much has changed.
Don't think Harbhajan has run away from bowling, but I hope he stay out for some time and someone els be given a go. even in this match, Yuvraj was the better bowler when they were going together.

A lots been said about England not being able to play the spinning ball but it appears that India cant play the bowled ball.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:A lots been said about England not being able to play the spinning ball but it appears that India cant play the bowled ball.

Go play India IN India, no point just bullying a side when conditions are in your favour.

longhopmerchant wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:A lots been said about England not being able to play the spinning ball but it appears that India cant play the bowled ball.

Go play India IN India, no point just bullying a side when conditions are in your favour.

Well the same could be said of India who keep beating us there! And England wanted to play tests there, but the BCCI put it off yet another year. Its a shame.

Im joking on some of the comments I made today , read others and youll find Im quite sensible about what this really means in terms of teh blance of power. Things have fallen nicely for England and they have thoroughly outplayed INdia, but taht doesnt automaticaly make them greater than sliced bread. They still have plenty to prove before they are the undisputable best team on the planet.
But ther is a point in bullying a team when they are down. Ask Australia.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

longhopmerchant wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:A lots been said about England not being able to play the spinning ball but it appears that India cant play the bowled ball.

Go play India IN India, no point just bullying a side when conditions are in your favour.

Well the same could be said of India who keep beating us there! And England wanted to play tests there, but the BCCI put it off yet another year. Its a shame.

Im joking on some of the comments I made today , read others and youll find Im quite sensible about what this really means in terms of teh blance of power. Things have fallen nicely for England and they have thoroughly outplayed INdia, but taht doesnt automaticaly make them greater than sliced bread. They still have plenty to prove before they are the undisputable best team on the planet.
But ther is a point in bullying a team when they are down. Ask Australia.

Being an Aussie, I can safely say India are better than us(only whispering mind you!!!), but beating these Indians at home is the toughest challenge around. Their part timers are hard to get away and therefore they are a lots at you.

longhopmerchant wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

longhopmerchant wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:A lots been said about England not being able to play the spinning ball but it appears that India cant play the bowled ball.

Go play India IN India, no point just bullying a side when conditions are in your favour.

Well the same could be said of India who keep beating us there! And England wanted to play tests there, but the BCCI put it off yet another year. Its a shame.

Im joking on some of the comments I made today , read others and youll find Im quite sensible about what this really means in terms of teh blance of power. Things have fallen nicely for England and they have thoroughly outplayed INdia, but taht doesnt automaticaly make them greater than sliced bread. They still have plenty to prove before they are the undisputable best team on the planet.
But ther is a point in bullying a team when they are down. Ask Australia.

Being an Aussie, I can safely say India are better than us(only whispering mind you!!!), but beating these Indians at home is the toughest challenge around. Their part timers are hard to get away and therefore they are a lots at you.

Yeah it always seems the Enghland team gets the wrong sort of runs when they go there.
I'll happily crow and point out that right now England are crushing India, and are clealry the better side in this series. They must have some quality to do that.
But I wouldnt kid myself that this is the best youll see from India, and the reasons why they are flumping are quite clear. They dont really want to be here, they have injuries, they are tired, they are under prepared and all of that has broken their morale and boosted englands. Id fully expect exactly the same could happen to England when they finaly get to go over there again. It happened to them at the world cup certainly, and in Australia time before last, when whilst the Aussies were clealry the better side they shouldnt have pastied England anywhere near as easlily as they did.

Injured Zaheer out of action for the next 4 months, guess who comes in???
R.P. Singh.

Activereactive

So you think RP Singh is better than Zaheer?

rp singh since the last tour, has drifted away and is now awful!

india i expect will be very happy to have gambihr back in their side

Terrible call from the selectors. Just because he bowls left arm like Zaheer!.

cricketfan90 wrote:india i expect will be very happy to have gambihr back in their side

Indeed.Dont forget Sehwag.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Activereactive

So you think RP Singh is better than Zaheer?

Good enough to save the remaining 2 matches in India's favour.
I mean by winning or drawing.

Don't think they'll playhim. When last seen RP was bowling slower than PK does, and was going for plenty in the IPL.

:censored I support(ed) RP Singh

RP swing is useless!