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Post by Fernando Sun 07 Aug 2011, 9:41 pm

Ferrari's chances in this year's championship look set to be boosted, with Pirelli having revealed that it is unlikely to use the hard tyre in the remaining races of the season.

The Maranello squad has been known this season for preferring softer tyres that adapt better to its car.

Pirelli announced earlier this week that it would not be using the hard compound in the upcoming three races, and its motorsport boss Paul Hembery says the compound is unlikely to return this season.

"I don't think we'll see the hard compound again," said Hembery. "I think it's probably too hard and that the medium is proving sufficiently robust for the aggressive circuits we've still got to come. So don't think we'll be going the hard route."

Hembery also revealed the hardest tyre is probably not going to be used at all next year, with a new compound likely to be introduced as a bridge between the medium and the soft.

"Probably next season the medium will become the hard," he said. "We'll probably slot something in between the current softs and mediums - We want to keep about one second between each. The super soft and soft gap is about right to be honest, because you've got a 1s speed advantage but you've got a clear degradation and limitation on use.

"If we could replicate that now with a new medium and a new hard then I think we'll be well placed."

He made it clear the company will continue to use vary the tyre compounds from race to race in order to get the better of them at every track.

"Well, I think we have to, because the circuits we are going to are really different again. It tends to be only the street circuits where I think there is a lot of similarity. Singapore has the added question mark of rain, at night, in 40 degrees centigrade, which is a bizarre situation to be in, so that's going to be fascinating.

"I have to say I think we will have some other interesting scenarios and we'll try and throw in some challenges ourselves."

The Briton also praised the job done by Pirelli this year to help improve the show in Formula 1.

"Pirelli has to be delighted," he said. "I think the Pirelli team has done a great job. We had very limited chance to get ready, limited testing opportunities with the teams, and with all those constraints I think we've delivered a great product and added something to the weekend spectacle."

source: autosport

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Post by Critical_mass Mon 08 Aug 2011, 4:58 pm

Sure i read on the BBC one site something along the lines of "Pirelli have bowed to Ferrari pressure" in regards to the hard tyres.

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Post by Belgarion of Riva Tue 09 Aug 2011, 9:22 am

Surprise surprise, Ferrari International Assitance have changed the rules again to favour their team.

What a joke!!

If you think about it, the diffusers being banned helped Ferrari win a race. I'm disgusted with myself for supporting this team in the past.


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Post by Critical_mass Tue 09 Aug 2011, 10:48 am

Cant seem to find the article. It was under Saturdays news on the right. Though by monday afternoon it had been updated to Mondays news.

Doesnt suprise me at all. WHY are they allowed to get away with this.

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Post by Belgarion of Riva Tue 09 Aug 2011, 11:08 am

They think they are above the law. We need manufacturers like Porsche, Lamborghini etc getting involved in the sport.

It would take some gloss of the scuderia. I wish BMW and Honda would come back as well. Then you would have a great balance of teams with history and innovation and everyone can unite against this team that has no regard for the rules of this sport.

Another example, team orders last year. Rule broken, Ferrari get an insignificant penalty. This year, team orders gone. Unbelievable.

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Post by dyrewolfe Tue 09 Aug 2011, 4:29 pm

Belgarion of Riva wrote:Surprise surprise, Ferrari International Assitance have changed the rules again to favour their team.

What a joke!!

If you think about it, the diffusers being banned helped Ferrari win a race. I'm disgusted with myself for supporting this team in the past.


Thats a pretty stupid comment to make.

None of the teams liked the hard tyres very much...Ferrari just seemed to suffer more than most. Also, if the FIA really are Ferrari's lapdogs, why didn't they make the blown diffuser ban stick?
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Post by Critical_mass Tue 09 Aug 2011, 7:46 pm

BoR is remembering how the bigger picture looks. Its bigger then just the tyres

Also, to be honest i did read "Pirelli have finally bowed to pressure from Ferrari" and considering all the other things that involved Ferrari. Them backing out of F1, team orders, hell even the bridgestones were developed FOR Ferrari - granted that was seasons ago. But goes to show how long its been going on for.

As for the blown diffuser, we dont know exactly what was said in regards to the blown diffuser, but im sure RB had something to say about it and why not - why ban something halfway through a season!!! why not ban it at the beginning of the next season.

So no its not as daft comment as you think.

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Post by Belgarion of Riva Wed 10 Aug 2011, 2:52 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:
Belgarion of Riva wrote:Surprise surprise, Ferrari International Assitance have changed the rules again to favour their team.

What a joke!!

If you think about it, the diffusers being banned helped Ferrari win a race. I'm disgusted with myself for supporting this team in the past.


Thats a pretty stupid comment to make.

None of the teams liked the hard tyres very much...Ferrari just seemed to suffer more than most. Also, if the FIA really are Ferrari's lapdogs, why didn't they make the blown diffuser ban stick?


Really? Have you polled all the teams to ascertain what tyres they do not like?

There is a performance difference in qualifying but in race trim, as proved by Hamilton and Petrov the hard tyre is good and is durable unlike the medium and soft tyres that give immediate speed but fall off the cliff pretty quickly.

Regarding the bias, I could provide you a list of the FIA making the rules as they go along to favour Ferrari but I would assume that anyone who follows F1 would be aware of this. Clearly you aren't.

The diffuser ban didn't stick because it would have compromised every other car on the grid, turning the championship into a farce. Ask yourself this question, diffusers gets banned, Ferrari win a race. Diffusers return, they do not. Who pray tell, benefitted from that decision?

One too many coincidences I'm afraid.



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Post by supporttheunderdog Sat 13 Aug 2011, 8:28 pm

I know Fararri have been in F1 since it started in the 50s and I respect them for staying faithful to the sport. But, isn't it about time they played by the same rules as all the other teams by accepting that the FIA runs F1 and that some decisions will not benefit them. Just because their car is not good enough to be competative on hard tyres, they go crying to the FIA and Pirelli to stop using them...
You would think with 60+ years experience they could develope a car that can compete without the need of getting rules changed to aid them.

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Post by Critical_mass Mon 15 Aug 2011, 1:22 pm

says alot in my opinion. A team that has 60+ years experience as well as probably the wealthiest and on top of that has one of the top 3 drivers and they STILL have to bend the rules and/or request they are revised.

Its beyond belief, whats more beyond belief is that fact the FIA seem to bow down to them.

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Post by Alessandro Ciambella Mon 15 Aug 2011, 2:53 pm

Bonjourno!

Remind me again, when Ferrari ran the hard PZero Silver tyre, who won the race? A Ferrari?

A Ferrari running the hard tyre managed to run rings around the whole grid. It managed to get the best of those tyres and stroll to victory.

Sure Ferrari have struggled in the Spanish GP with these tyres, but through tyreless engineering, continual improvement and a hint of expertise of Fernando Alonso, they have got over their Hex of the Hard Tyres.

Fernando Alonso had this to say before the British GP: -

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/29062011/58/alonso-stoic-silverstone-tyre-choice.html

Highlight of this article was that it was the SAME FOR ALL TEAMS. This shows it is not only Ferrari who are disgruntled with this compound. The 2 second a lap difference between that and the Medium compound run was a battle of pace over durability and something that annoyed all of the teams on the grid.

Ferrari are honest enough to admit they don’t like the tyre compound like most people here are honest enough to admit their dislike of Ferrari. Other teams know that Ferrari are the voice of the grid on this matter. Otherwise Red Bull or McLaren would of come out and countered what was said by the Ferrari Team!

Forza Ferrari – The Voice of the Grid!

Forza Alonso!
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Post by Critical_mass Mon 15 Aug 2011, 4:04 pm

Thats what you see, what goes on behind closed doors? Plus i did read an article that said "Pirelli bow down to Ferrari", which could be just media spin. But that could happen either way, we'd never know for sure.

Besides Ferrari are KNOW to play them kind of tricks. Ferrari have improved, but they're still lacking.

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Post by Alessandro Ciambella Mon 15 Aug 2011, 4:11 pm

Bonjourno!

Indeed, Ferrari are still lacking which makes Fernando Alonso's recent performances remarkable.

Like I say, if Ferrari were wrong about the tyres then others would have put them in their place. Even Pirelli have admitted they have got the compund wrong.

Forza Alonso!
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Post by Critical_mass Tue 16 Aug 2011, 1:57 pm

Got a link to the Pirelli article?

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Post by Alessandro Ciambella Tue 16 Aug 2011, 2:24 pm

Bonjourno Critical Mass!

Here is the highlight of the article: -

"He explained the reason behind the decision to drop the hard compound was mainly because it's too hard and the medium is of sufficient hardness to replace it for good."

Read in full just here!

http://thef1times.com/news/display/04186

Forza Alonso!
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