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Does Alan Tait have a point?

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Post by Cumbrian Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:31 pm

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugb...n/14466519.stm

Gray signed a two-year deal at Irish on Tuesday

Newcastle Falcons head coach Alan Tait has admitted to feeling a sense of betrayal after England Under-20 captain Alex Gray's move to London Irish.


The 20-year-old back-row forward is the latest in a series of young prospects developed by the club to depart Kingston Park.


"We put in a lot of time and effort bringing the kids through and look for loyalty," Tait told BBC Newcastle.


"But agents have bigger and better things for them, or so they tell them."
Asked if the club felt betrayed by the departure of Gray, and the likes of Kieran Brookes and Micky Young who both moved to Leicester Tigers after coming through the Falcons' academy, Tait replied: "Definitely."


He explained: "It's well documented, and the Rugby Football Union know fully about it as well, they're right behind us."

Tait also questioned whether the switch was a wise move for Gray, who as well as making 13 appearances for the Falcons and scoring a try on his Premiership debut captained England to Grand Slams at Under-16, Under-18 and Under-20 level.


"Young players know what they get at Newcastle, great exposure, plenty of first team rugby - if they get that at 'big' clubs we'll just have to wait and see," he said.

But Tait insisted he was confident the Falcons had already developed potential replacements.


"I've got some good young lads, and I've found a boy in Joe Robinson who is doing all the things Alex was doing a few years ago in the same sort of times - he is a bit younger, but he has a bit more time.


"It was unfortunate everything broke down the way it did, but the club has to move forward and I'm happy with the youngsters and the progress they are making."


It probably sound like sour grapes, but I agree with him. It's a subject that I have commented on widely, but it is just infuriating. Too often Falcons have developed players for other clubs to profit. Don’t get me wrong, I know a smallish club like Newcastle is unlikely to keep all of our brightest players, but this is ridiculous.

Although it is interesting to see that Tait sees young Robinson as a replacement, he is a big lad, with a lot of potential. To be honest I don't want to think about promising young no. 8's at the moment!
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Post by Shifty Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:32 pm

Turkster wrote:ha, great that'll teach him. Mind you, I suppose he looked at it and thought well there's three ahead of me here, so I'll head off to London Irish where there'll only be two ahead of me, there may be a bit of skulduggery from London Irish too as Shingler has only played under-20's for Wales and he is English born, so he could well qualify for England too.

Swansea is in England? Headscratch
When did that happen?
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Post by Cymroglan Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:48 pm

Aaron Craig Shingler or Steven Shingler

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Post by Turkster Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:08 pm

pretty certain both boys were born in Aldershot, I know Aaron was for certain, but I think Steven was as well, unless his parents made it back to Wales for him, after all nobody likes their kids to have that stigma hanging over them, poor Aaron. Wink

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Post by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:47 pm

AlynDavies wrote:
Turkster wrote:the ironic thing is the flyhalf he's replacing this season at London Welsh has gone to the Scarlets to replace Shingler. laughing

Actually London Welsh have signed Gordon Ross the Scottish International, so I assume Shingler will be back up again Whistle
AD, Ross has been at Welsh since he left Sarries, I think? OK

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Post by Shifty Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:41 pm

Turkster wrote:pretty certain both boys were born in Aldershot, I know Aaron was for certain, but I think Steven was as well, unless his parents made it back to Wales for him, after all nobody likes their kids to have that stigma hanging over them, poor Aaron. Wink

Full name Steven Shingler
Date of birth 20 June 1991 (age 20)
Place of birth Swansea, Wales
Height 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m)
Weight 13 st 1 lb (83 kg)

Wiki isnt always right, but this is what it says Smile
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Post by Turkster Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:46 pm

well, that's a relief, mind you if he lives there for 4 years they could poach him anyway, all depends on whether the under-20's count as the 2nd side for Wales, what was the outcome on the 2 lads who went to Connacht? anyone remember?

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Post by aitchw Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:42 pm

Whilst I have some sympathy for you guys Leeds has done it's share of supplying talent elsewhere but I don't honestly believe that's the root cause of Newcastle's problems. As at Leeds, management is as much to blame for under achieving. It will be interesting to see how Leeds get on with a management declared intention of growing the club largely based on it's academy and other young players. If we succeed with that attitude it may provide a model for other struggling clubs with strong academies. I am no more certain of Alan Tait's ability than I was of Neil Back's in coaching the club in a way that encourages youngsters to stay.

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Post by Cumbrian Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:52 am

aitchw wrote:Whilst I have some sympathy for you guys Leeds has done it's share of supplying talent elsewhere but I don't honestly believe that's the root cause of Newcastle's problems. As at Leeds, management is as much to blame for under achieving. It will be interesting to see how Leeds get on with a management declared intention of growing the club largely based on it's academy and other young players. If we succeed with that attitude it may provide a model for other struggling clubs with strong academies. I am no more certain of Alan Tait's ability than I was of Neil Back's in coaching the club in a way that encourages youngsters to stay.


I agree to a certain extent. I’ve wondered many times if Tait is up to the job. He’s made some well publicised gaffes that have made opposition fans less that sympathetic towards us. I also wonder if he is turning players away from the club.

I would love to follow Leeds’ example, but I can’t help but worry that if Leeds are successful their players will simply be in the shop window. I know it is a rubbish attitude, but it is a double edged sword to me when I see a Newcastle youngster does well. I can almost see the vultures circling.
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Post by Bathman_in_London Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:44 am

I have to admit, I'm not a huge fan of Tait, I dont think he has been a great ambassador for the club really. Certainly his comments after the Bath game last season when our prop got injured annoyed a few people.

I do feel for Newcastle though (and Leeds for that matter), it does seem that anyone half decent is just snapped up by a bigger club. With the salary cap changing next season, its hard to see how thats going to change too. If Newcastle dont spend up to the cap now, they are not going to find it easier to hold on to players once the bigger clubs get even more spending power.

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Post by aitchw Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:13 am

It's not really my place to say it but I don't think Tait is up to the job and I think there are problems with the owner. Even when you had the likes of Wilko and Flood et al it didn't go well. There just seems to be something that isn't right with the setup.

At Leeds, I'm hoping that the youngsters will get the right exposure to 1st team rugby and that their contracts are just attractive enough that the combination of the two is enough to breed loyalty. Diccon Edwards has a good rep for bringing young players on and I'm backing him to do well for the club.

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