Fantasy Fight: Gamboa vs Prince Naz

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Following on from a comment on the Brit ATG list, who do you think wins this fantasy fight?

Gamboa (29) 20-0-0 16ko (80%) vs Naz (pre-Barrera) 35-0-0 31ko (89%)

Can see both fights going down at some point as for all Gamboa's speed and footwork there's never been anyone since that throws punches at the angles and power of Naz (and Gamboa's chin/legs are fairly untested at this stage). But Gamboa's speed and intensity when he gets going would eventually result in a mid-round kayo for my money.

Cracking tear-up I'd love to see. Gamboa KO6.

Golf is a game, not a sport.

Golf is a sport by any definition.

rowley wrote:Golf is a game, not a sport.

And football is activity for mental retards.

Last time i checked 40,000 people a day don't turn up to watch games. Isn't tiddlywinks

coxy0001 wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:For the guys with kids - get them into golf, teaches them how to behave around adults and is a great sport for teaching manners and etiquette.
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How to be a snob?

Play a real sport.

Like Rugby? Yup, tick - played that. Not amazingly good to be fair.

And the toughest sport out of everything i've played? Golf.

Suggest you take your stereotypes and shove them up your arris as well.

Tough? From a technical perspective maybe but minimal strength/speed/endurance required. It's about as physically demanding as darts.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Tough? From a technical perspective maybe but minimal strength/speed/endurance required. It's about as physically demanding as darts.

Course it is. I'm willing to bet you've never played 72 holes in 4 days.

Scottrf wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Tough? From a technical perspective maybe but minimal strength/speed/endurance required. It's about as physically demanding as darts.

Course it is. I'm willing to bet you've never played 72 holes in 4 days.

course it is- golfing pun?

4 days? thats 3 sleeps

eddyfightfan wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Tough? From a technical perspective maybe but minimal strength/speed/endurance required. It's about as physically demanding as darts.

Course it is. I'm willing to bet you've never played 72 holes in 4 days.

course it is- golfing pun?

4 days? thats 3 sleeps

Nearer six if you're as lazy as me

Scottrf wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Tough? From a technical perspective maybe but minimal strength/speed/endurance required. It's about as physically demanding as darts.

Course it is. I'm willing to bet you've never played 72 holes in 4 days.

Have you ever played 5 sets of tennis in one afternoon?

If golf was that physically demanding the pro-golfers wouldn't be in the same shape as the average Sunday league pub-footballer. Not saying it's easy, but when we're talking toughness and contrasting it the multitude of other sports/games out there it's pretty close to the bottom of the pile.

golf is a sport.......

a retirement sport

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Tough? From a technical perspective maybe but minimal strength/speed/endurance required. It's about as physically demanding as darts.

Course it is. I'm willing to bet you've never played 72 holes in 4 days.

Have you ever played 5 sets of tennis in one afternoon?

If golf was that physically demanding the pro-golfers wouldn't be in the same shape as the average Sunday league pub-footballer. Not saying it's easy, but when we're talking toughness and contrasting it the multitude of other sports/games out there it's pretty close to the bottom of the pile.

Depends really, professionals get their bag carried for them so they can stroll around, maybe even take a buggy, carrying you're own bag for miles up and down hills is tiring on the legs, i've went round and jumped back on to the 1st tee to do 36 holes in one go, you definately feel it. Obviously not as demanding as Tennis though, professional i mean.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Tough? From a technical perspective maybe but minimal strength/speed/endurance required. It's about as physically demanding as darts.

Course it is. I'm willing to bet you've never played 72 holes in 4 days.

Have you ever played 5 sets of tennis in one afternoon?

If golf was that physically demanding the pro-golfers wouldn't be in the same shape as the average Sunday league pub-footballer. Not saying it's easy, but when we're talking toughness and contrasting it the multitude of other sports/games out there it's pretty close to the bottom of the pile.

Yes I have. I run long distance and still have aches from playing 18 holes on back to back days. I carry my bag normally so it's slightly different. Nothing says all sports have to be physically exhausting though.

Plus your hitting a 2 inch ball with something the size of a credit card 200 yards to an area 20 foot squared.

By any definition golf is a sport.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Tough? From a technical perspective maybe but minimal strength/speed/endurance required. It's about as physically demanding as darts.

Course it is. I'm willing to bet you've never played 72 holes in 4 days.

Have you ever played 5 sets of tennis in one afternoon?

If golf was that physically demanding the pro-golfers wouldn't be in the same shape as the average Sunday league pub-footballer. Not saying it's easy, but when we're talking toughness and contrasting it the multitude of other sports/games out there it's pretty close to the bottom of the pile.

http://www.blueprintsolution.com/store/fitcommerce/tiger_woods.jpg

You're stereotyping

Not every footballer and rugby player is in shape, same with golf. But it's no surprise the the recent world #1s i.e. Woods, Singh, Faldo, Norman etc were all built like brick sh*thouses.

You ask a prop to dig a ball out of heavy rough and they'd move it out 2ft - ask a pro with the necessary strength in the critical errors and they can smash it out.

A prop might be fat, but he's exceptionally strong where it matters. Same applies here

You ask a prop to dig a ball out of heavy rough and they'd move it out 2ft - ask a pro with the necessary strength in the critical errors and they can smash it out.

A prop might be fat, but he's exceptionally strong where it matters. Same applies here
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Surely that's more to do with technique as anything else.

Using your rationale a prop should be able to serve a tennis ball at 160mph and throw a javelin out the other end of the stadium

DAVE667 wrote:You ask a prop to dig a ball out of heavy rough and they'd move it out 2ft - ask a pro with the necessary strength in the critical errors and they can smash it out.

A prop might be fat, but he's exceptionally strong where it matters. Same applies here
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Surely that's more to do with technique as anything else.

Using your rationale a prop should be able to serve a tennis ball at 160mph and throw a javelin out the other end of the stadium

No, i'm talking about strength in the right areas in their respective sports. And no, digging a ball out of deep rough involves strength in critical areas. Hence why someone like Woods can hit it X far and someone who's technically brilliant i.e. David Toms would have to resort to just getting back into play etc.

On current form, I wouldn't back Woods to sweep crumbs off a work surface in less than four tries

DAVE667 wrote:On current form, I wouldn't back Woods to sweep crumbs off a work surface in less than four tries

Lets be honest, golf is a sport for posh lazy people who like to wear silly clothes and are afraid of physical contact.

It requires no energy (like darts) but does need lots of practice (in the same why getting as good as me on Fifa 11 takes practice).

It is a sport by definition, and thats about it.

As for saying Tiger Woods is well built, do me a favour... You would think he is like Martin Johnson the way you are describing him.

Monty is the perfect example that a tubby fella can become a top golfer, no hard physical work needed.

Pub Golf is a real sport.

Golf may be defined as a sport..

but lets not pretend that it's a physically demanding sport.

In terms of physical exertion it's more in the snooker, darts category.

When I think of physically demanding sports I think of boxing, rugby, tennis, long distance running etc.

Certainly not golf.

Sorry...what's Hamed's handicap? Does Gamboa even own golf clubs?

As a latecomer to this 'is it/isn't it' golf argument; golf is the pastime people like Corrie Sanders and...who's the other boxer who took it up? Anyway, point is it's the pastime sportsmen take up when they're not good enough to do their job anymore. Couple mates of mine play golf; all they do is use it to talk business with clients.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Lets be honest, golf is a sport for posh lazy people who like to wear silly clothes and are afraid of physical contact.

It requires no energy (like darts) but does need lots of practice (in the same why getting as good as me on Fifa 11 takes practice).

It is a sport by definition, and thats about it.

As for saying Tiger Woods is well built, do me a favour... You would think he is like Martin Johnson the way you are describing him.

Monty is the perfect example that a tubby fella can become a top golfer, no hard physical work needed.

LJ

How many sports can you wear the same garments for playing in and then still look cool in a bar? Yup, golf only. Never heard of Hugo Boss, or more to the point J Lunderberg? Of course not.

No energy eh? Have you tried walking 8 miles with a bag on your back? You miss my points, you have to be miles more mentally strong to play this sport than any other. And that my friend is a complete FACT FACT FACT!!!!!!

How many majors did Monty win by the way?

And i can damn guarantee that if he had a lie in the long stuff he could dig it out through sheer strength more than you could. As our county physio drummed into us - you will have muscles that no-one will ever see but will do more and perform better than an 18st prop forward.

It's the most technically demanding sport in the world - why? Because for every 100yds if the club is 2 degrees (we're talking a testing environment with zero outside influences) off with a perfect line of impact the ball will go 25 yards (give or take a few inches) left or right. Add in a 5 iron, on a hanging lie into a wind from 180 and you nail it to 2ft then your ignorant brain might realise why it's the toughest sport there is in terms of technical perfection

Cool in a bar?!? Maybe the Pink Flamingo...

coxy0001 wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Lets be honest, golf is a sport for posh lazy people who like to wear silly clothes and are afraid of physical contact.

It requires no energy (like darts) but does need lots of practice (in the same why getting as good as me on Fifa 11 takes practice).

It is a sport by definition, and thats about it.

As for saying Tiger Woods is well built, do me a favour... You would think he is like Martin Johnson the way you are describing him.

Monty is the perfect example that a tubby fella can become a top golfer, no hard physical work needed.

LJ

How many sports can you wear the same garments for playing in and then still look cool in a bar? Yup, golf only. Never heard of Hugo Boss, or more to the point J Lunderberg? Of course not.

No energy eh? Have you tried walking 8 miles with a bag on your back? You miss my points, you have to be miles more mentally strong to play this sport than any other. And that my friend is a complete FACT FACT FACT!!!!!!

How many majors did Monty win by the way?

And i can damn guarantee that if he had a lie in the long stuff he could dig it out through sheer strength more than you could. As our county physio drummed into us - you will have muscles that no-one will ever see but will do more and perform better than an 18st prop forward.

It's the most technically demanding sport in the world - why? Because for every 100yds if the club is 2 degrees (we're talking a testing environment with zero outside influences) off with a perfect line of impact the ball will go 25 yards (give or take a few inches) left or right. Add in a 5 iron, on a hanging lie into a wind from 180 and you nail it to 2ft then your ignorant brain might realise why it's the toughest sport there is in terms of technical perfection

Didn't bother me in Yarmouth. A moving windmill I tell you. Hole in one. I might even have been drunk at the time, I can't remember. Can't be that tough a game.

coxy0001 wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Lets be honest, golf is a sport for posh lazy people who like to wear silly clothes and are afraid of physical contact.

It requires no energy (like darts) but does need lots of practice (in the same why getting as good as me on Fifa 11 takes practice).

It is a sport by definition, and thats about it.

As for saying Tiger Woods is well built, do me a favour... You would think he is like Martin Johnson the way you are describing him.

Monty is the perfect example that a tubby fella can become a top golfer, no hard physical work needed.

LJ

How many sports can you wear the same garments for playing in and then still look cool in a bar? Yup, golf only. Never heard of Hugo Boss, or more to the point J Lunderberg? Of course not.

No energy eh? Have you tried walking 8 miles with a bag on your back? You miss my points, you have to be miles more mentally strong to play this sport than any other. And that my friend is a complete FACT FACT FACT!!!!!!

How many majors did Monty win by the way?

And i can damn guarantee that if he had a lie in the long stuff he could dig it out through sheer strength more than you could. As our county physio drummed into us - you will have muscles that no-one will ever see but will do more and perform better than an 18st prop forward.

It's the most technically demanding sport in the world - why? Because for every 100yds if the club is 2 degrees (we're talking a testing environment with zero outside influences) off with a perfect line of impact the ball will go 25 yards (give or take a few inches) left or right. Add in a 5 iron, on a hanging lie into a wind from 180 and you nail it to 2ft then your ignorant brain might realise why it's the toughest sport there is in terms of technical perfection

I know nothing about Golf but that sounds impressive, but I'm sure an argument could be made for many sports to say that they are the most technically demanding. I play table tennis so consider trying to return a ball travelling at you at speeds up to 70mph from potentially only 9ft away, the reaction time needed to play at the top level is insane. Add in that the ball could be hit with top spin or flat smashed and could go down the forehand or backhand side. Also consider that just returning a shot like that isn't good enough it needs to be a good return or it will just be hit straight back past you. It's also much more physically demanding than it looks as well.

The difference between a game and a sport can (possibly) be defined by smoking.

If you're puffing on a Marlboro, you'll probably find it gets in the way when you're trying to smash it out of the ground for 6, hit a crosscourt forehand winner or engage in a scrum.

However, it would make no difference to your ability to get a triple word score, sink someone's battleship or put a hotel on Bond Street.

Using this absolutely cast iron reasoning, we can see that golf is a sport. A sport with lots of breaks and walking where you have ample time to smoke, a sport that actively encourages the wearing of daft clothes and a sport that can be a little elitist... but a sport nonetheless.

Not sure if Gamboa or Hamed play golf though.

Two men were playing golf one saturday morning when they see a funeral procession driving slowly past the course. One man pauses, takes off his hat and says a silent prayer for the deceased.

"That was very nice of you" says his friend.

The man replies "It was the least I could do... we were married for 30 years".

I'll get my expensive, gawdy, all-weather, windproof coat...

Il Gialloblu wrote:
If you're puffing on a Marlboro, you'll probably find it gets in the way when you're trying to smash it out of the ground for 6, hit a crosscourt forehand winner or engage in a scrum.

However, it would make no difference to your ability to get a triple word score, sink someone's battleship or put a hotel on Bond Street.

And if you were smoking weed it would actually increase your ability to get a triple word score, sink someone's battleship or put a hotel on Bond Street.

when i 1st saw Gamboa years ago, I could see a similarity in styles. I think its too early to make a call on this fight. Gamboa is still showing how good he is.

Coxy, we have spoken before about golf and as you know, I still play county golf and also play off +2 like your friend...IMO there are far harder sports to master than golf..please don't throw the dummy out because someone has disagreed with you..

Peacehavenboy wrote:Coxy, we have spoken before about golf and as you know, I still play county golf and also play off +2 like your friend...IMO there are far harder sports to master than golf..please don't throw the dummy out because someone has disagreed with you..

rob comes in, tries to get the thread back on track but to no avail.

Peacehaven. I think it depends on the definition of 'master'... different people have different talents. I was a racket sports player to to a decent standard when younger. Give me a moving ball and a bat of some description and generally i'm fine. Never once do i recall analysing my backhand technique during a game... the ball comes you pick the shot and hot it in real time.

I play golf regularly and love it. But mentally it's a killer... too much time. I'm too hotheaded and think too much on the course. I can shoot 75 1 day and 95 the next. I'll keep persevering but i've realised that my 'skill set' probably isn't suited to the game. Just as many decent golfers i know can't hit a moving ball with a bat with any consistency. You're a top quality player and being modest about the difficulty level but it may also simply seem easy to you. I don't think you can say that one sport is definitively easier to master than another... well maybe racketball and squash!

As it goes i think Coxy has a point re mentally difficult (though again that depends on the individual) but is stretching it with his physicality comments.

and i'm still on the fence re donaire gamboa

coxy0001 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:You're talking complete rubbish.

Nope, i'm not giving my real name away which makes it hard.

Junior county player
Scratch single team player
Scratch foursomes team player

Fondly remembered (along with partner) for being -8 after 13 in one of our foursomes knockout quarter finals.

Want my set?

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Maybe not on here...

Ok, ok, but at least we can surely all agree on golf is boring to watch on television!

agreed

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Golf should be banned from TV along with horse racing.

coxy0001 wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Lets be honest, golf is a sport for posh lazy people who like to wear silly clothes and are afraid of physical contact.

It requires no energy (like darts) but does need lots of practice (in the same why getting as good as me on Fifa 11 takes practice).

It is a sport by definition, and thats about it.

As for saying Tiger Woods is well built, do me a favour... You would think he is like Martin Johnson the way you are describing him.

Monty is the perfect example that a tubby fella can become a top golfer, no hard physical work needed.

LJ

How many sports can you wear the same garments for playing in and then still look cool in a bar? Yup, golf only. Never heard of Hugo Boss, or more to the point J Lunderberg? Of course not.

No energy eh? Have you tried walking 8 miles with a bag on your back? You miss my points, you have to be miles more mentally strong to play this sport than any other. And that my friend is a complete FACT FACT FACT!!!!!!

How many majors did Monty win by the way?

And i can damn guarantee that if he had a lie in the long stuff he could dig it out through sheer strength more than you could. As our county physio drummed into us - you will have muscles that no-one will ever see but will do more and perform better than an 18st prop forward.

It's the most technically demanding sport in the world - why? Because for every 100yds if the club is 2 degrees (we're talking a testing environment with zero outside influences) off with a perfect line of impact the ball will go 25 yards (give or take a few inches) left or right. Add in a 5 iron, on a hanging lie into a wind from 180 and you nail it to 2ft then your ignorant brain might realise why it's the toughest sport there is in terms of technical perfection

It is not a FACT as you have suggested... It is an opinion, clear difference between the two.

Golfers do not look cool either, they clearly look like the get dressed in the dark.

I stand by what I have said. Golf is not physically demanding, or more mentally demanding than other sports. Monty is a fatty and has played at the top level for many years. Golf is like darts, only less enjoyable to watch because of the type of people it attracts.

Golf is an amazing sport. It requires lots of skill and knowlegde of how to use the clubs to benefit you. Choosing what clubs to use and how they suit your game is all part of the fun. If golf is this easy little past time that people say then why dont they go out and do it and earn Rory Rory McIlroy's kind of money. I used to go the gym (which is really boring) and if im honest im more knackerd after 18 holes than from my gym days. Carrying a heavy bag 18 holes, many of them being over 500 yards is physically demanding hence I know people who lose interest due to not be able bothered to walk the miles that keen golfers like me do every week. Look at the main PGA players. A couple of fatties but not that many you will find as you need to be relatively fit to play at that level

I have all the gear as I like to look good im a well dressed bloke anyway. As for all this rubbish about it being a toffs game. Most of us are just normal working class people infact on a few courses I know there are quite a few roughnecks that play regular. Yes you get some clowns that are members of clubs and like to think they are Yuppies but thats still a minority. To say golf is a toffs game is like saying all football fans are hooligans. Kinda like saying all people who slate golf a nothing but lazy couch potatos who have no sport of their own to play so just run down other people interest. We can all generalise

But hey if people wanna sit on the couch/the pub bar stool and run down golf thats up to them. I have a great time playing it

Regards

Steffan (A keen golfer)

I think not only have we strayed from the point of the original OP (sigh) but also from the golf debate. Not sure where we lost our way but I think the point originally being made was the golf is not a physically strenuous sport/game (or whatever) and its proponents are not as highly tuned athletes as those in football, tennis, rugby, basketball etc etc.

Nobody, I think, is doubting the techinal prowess, it's the physicality that's being mocked.