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Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by Brady12 Mon 15 Aug 2011, 11:46 pm
Is there anything different from watching a pay-per-view on an illegal stream & looting?
Discuss
Discuss
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by JoshSansom Mon 15 Aug 2011, 11:53 pm
With an illegal stream the company you are "stealing" from remains in a cash neutral position, whereas if you loot they will be in a cash negative one.
Then again I realise that it is a hypocritical stance and that I should pay for it if I want to watch but frankly I am not price incentivised to watch it and if I couldn't watch over the internet I wouldn't watch it at all.
Then again I realise that it is a hypocritical stance and that I should pay for it if I want to watch but frankly I am not price incentivised to watch it and if I couldn't watch over the internet I wouldn't watch it at all.
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by Samo Mon 15 Aug 2011, 11:58 pm
Yes.
WWE - Multi Billion dollar cash cow. PPV sales, ticket sales, merch sales. The WWE make so much money annually that a few thousand illegal streams wont hurt them that badly.
Looting - Bunch of ingrates break into a store and steal everything. Store closes, people lose jobs.
End of the day, both are theft, but at different levels. Just like different grades of murder. But yes, technically it is hypocritical of us.
WWE - Multi Billion dollar cash cow. PPV sales, ticket sales, merch sales. The WWE make so much money annually that a few thousand illegal streams wont hurt them that badly.
Looting - Bunch of ingrates break into a store and steal everything. Store closes, people lose jobs.
End of the day, both are theft, but at different levels. Just like different grades of murder. But yes, technically it is hypocritical of us.
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by Brady12 Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:23 am
So your saying you don't have a moral problem with it because the WWE make millions anyway. Stealing is ok as long as it's from the rich
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by BigPhil Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:25 am
What's your point for GODS SAKE!
No really, we're robbers.
No really, we're robbers.
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by JoshSansom Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:32 am
BigPhil wrote:What's your point for GODS SAKE!
No really, we're robbers.
His point is that it is still taking, without consent, something and not providing that person or company with a suitable remuneration in line with the value that they place on it.
The difference is that looting has many other consequences, such as violence and criminal damage whereas watching wrestling over the Internet does not providing that the sites that are consumed do not have links to organised violence / criminal activity.
There really is little difference, though. Many would say that it would be worse to pilfer a PPV from ROH than from WWE but both are the same and ultimately cost the viewer enjoyment. If you do not pay for the event you are not a stakeholder in the company and if you are not a stakeholder then it is less likely that the company will push the characters and story lines that you enjoy.
Because it is less overt than walking out of a shop with something under a jacket people disassociate it with stealing or pass it off as something else. Also, some people complain about the cost as it if it is some kind of divine right to watch it on TV - it isn't, if you don't like the price don't watch it.
I say all this despite watching the event and all eps of WWE TV on WWEO... I know I am a hypocrite but I have, along time ago, come to accept that so that it doesn't bother me like it does to many people.
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by Brady12 Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:33 am
BigPhil wrote:What's your point for GODS SAKE!
No really, we're robbers.
I was just looking for opinions on watching a pay-per-view without paying for it.... I think it's a pretty relevant question with people gloating about visiting wweo.net... I've done it I'm just not sure where I stand on it
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by Brady12 Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:38 am
JoshSansom wrote:BigPhil wrote:What's your point for GODS SAKE!
No really, we're robbers.
His point is that it is still taking, without consent, something and not providing that person or company with a suitable remuneration in line with the value that they place on it.
The difference is that looting has many other consequences, such as violence and criminal damage whereas watching wrestling over the Internet does not providing that the sites that are consumed do not have links to organised violence / criminal activity.
There really is little difference, though. Many would say that it would be worse to pilfer a PPV from ROH than from WWE but both are the same and ultimately cost the viewer enjoyment. If you do not pay for the event you are not a stakeholder in the company and if you are not a stakeholder then it is less likely that the company will push the characters and story lines that you enjoy.
Because it is less overt than walking out of a shop with something under a jacket people disassociate it with stealing or pass it off as something else. Also, some people complain about the cost as it if it is some kind of divine right to watch it on TV - it isn't, if you don't like the price don't watch it.
I say all this despite watching the event and all eps of WWE TV on WWEO... I know I am a hypocrite but I have, along time ago, come to accept that so that it doesn't bother me like it does to many people.
Interesting Josh very well written
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by BigPhil Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:40 am
Yeah it's a good question, pardon me for snapping. Samo has made the best point. When it comes to sport people seem to think they have the right to watch it whether its through piracy or legal. This is especially prevalent with Football fans. You don't think twice though when you're watching an event or a match online.
It's a similar story in the music and film online markets.
It's a similar story in the music and film online markets.
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by User Name Tue 16 Aug 2011, 3:18 am
I couldnt give a crap, i'll watch online if i want.
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by Perry Groves is my dad Tue 16 Aug 2011, 10:04 am
Brady12 wrote:So your saying you don't have a moral problem with it because the WWE make millions anyway. Stealing is ok as long as it's from the rich
Its a bit like Robin Hood stealing from the rich (WWE) to give to the poor (Me)
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by Adam D Tue 16 Aug 2011, 10:09 am
These are my two favorite pirate sites:
http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html
http://www.yarr.org.uk/
September 19th people - get it in the diary
As for Usernames comment - stealing is stealing, irrespective of who or why its done.
http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html
http://www.yarr.org.uk/
September 19th people - get it in the diary
As for Usernames comment - stealing is stealing, irrespective of who or why its done.
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Re: Pirate Websites.... Is it hypocritical to watch them?
by Brady12 Tue 16 Aug 2011, 10:16 am
User Name wrote:I couldnt give a crap, i'll watch online if i want.
Would you have the same view if someone robbed your house?
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by Samo Tue 16 Aug 2011, 10:39 am
Brady12 wrote:So your saying you don't have a moral problem with it because the WWE make millions anyway. Stealing is ok as long as it's from the rich
Samo wrote:
End of the day, both are theft, but at different levels. Just like different grades of murder. But yes, technically it is hypocritical of us.
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by User Name Tue 16 Aug 2011, 4:06 pm
Brady12 wrote:User Name wrote:I couldnt give a crap, i'll watch online if i want.
Would you have the same view if someone robbed your house?
My house hasn't been robbed so it doesn't matter.
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by Kay Fabe Tue 16 Aug 2011, 7:12 pm
I find it hypocritical of SKY to charge us a subscription fee then charge us an additional fee (SBO) to see the same product, PPV Television is a complete rip off when you're already paying a premium subscription fee to the same company
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by liverbnz Tue 16 Aug 2011, 7:46 pm
the-gaffer wrote:I find it hypocritical of SKY to charge us a subscription fee then charge us an additional fee (SBO) to see the same product, PPV Television is a complete rip off when you're already paying a premium subscription fee to the same company
Surely SKY can charge whatever they want? It's a product they pay a high price to broadcast and if people keep buying them, then they might as well charge for it. I don't see how them charging for a PAY per view is hypocritical in the slightest. Maybe you could call their social responsibility into question, but hypocritical they are not (in this instance anyway).
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by Kay Fabe Tue 16 Aug 2011, 8:15 pm
Totally disagree, you pay the premium rate for the best service they can provide yet a good few years ago now they decided that your top dollar wasn't good enough and if you wanted to see things that was previously part of their package then you would have to pay them twice
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by Brady12 Tue 16 Aug 2011, 9:05 pm
Its a good point you raise Gaffer. For years the WWE pay-per-views were free to air, they can't be more popular now post attitude era
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by Aaronb33 Tue 16 Aug 2011, 9:12 pm
I see this the same way as music and film downloads. If you download/stream it, you weren't going to buy it anyway. The company's financial position doesn't change, no better, no worse. However, if you do find a way to watch it without paying and like what you see, you're more likely to buy tickets/merch/future PPVs/the PPV on DVD.
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with those people that download EVERYTHING and feel hard done by when they have to pay for something, but I'm fine with a try-before-you-buy situation. Personally, I've downloaded music, and if I liked the band, I bought the CD and/or went to a gig (or 7 in Metallica's case
). If I didn't like the band, I'd never have bought their album anyway.
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with those people that download EVERYTHING and feel hard done by when they have to pay for something, but I'm fine with a try-before-you-buy situation. Personally, I've downloaded music, and if I liked the band, I bought the CD and/or went to a gig (or 7 in Metallica's case
). If I didn't like the band, I'd never have bought their album anyway.
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by Kay Fabe Tue 16 Aug 2011, 9:23 pm
Thats why the are PPV now mate, due to the numbers they got The WWE wanted more money from SKY for the rights so SKY did a deal that cut the amount of free to air PPV's and allow WWE to put the rest on SBO, I just detest being asked to pay twice for the same service
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by Samo Tue 16 Aug 2011, 9:30 pm
the-gaffer wrote:I find it hypocritical of SKY to charge us a subscription fee then charge us an additional fee (SBO) to see the same product, PPV Television is a complete rip off when you're already paying a premium subscription fee to the same company
I think its wrong that SKY charge a subscription fee and show adverts. Its no different to the TV license.
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by Mr H Tue 16 Aug 2011, 9:35 pm
User Name wrote:Brady12 wrote:User Name wrote:I couldnt give a crap, i'll watch online if i want.
Would you have the same view if someone robbed your house?
My house hasn't been robbed so it doesn't matter.
Make sure you lock your doors properly tonight pal!
I expect most of us are hypocrites on a daily basis without even realising it. I'm a hypocrite about a lot of things, so I have no shame in watching a ppv for free.
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by liverbnz Tue 16 Aug 2011, 9:35 pm
the-gaffer wrote:Totally disagree, you pay the premium rate for the best service they can provide yet a good few years ago now they decided that your top dollar wasn't good enough and if you wanted to see things that was previously part of their package then you would have to pay them twice
But nowhere did they promise PPVs would be free forever more. If they want to charge a fee, that's up to them, it's their right. It is not in anyway shape or form hypocritical.
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by Kay Fabe Tue 16 Aug 2011, 9:48 pm
Is that you Rupert?
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by liverbnz Tue 16 Aug 2011, 10:53 pm
Yes. Watch who you phone from now on Mister Kayfabe.
I'll be listening.
I'll be listening.
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by Kay Fabe Tue 16 Aug 2011, 11:47 pm
well played sir!
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by Scott is Back Thu 18 Aug 2011, 12:01 pm
Judging by some of the dross WWE have been giving us for £14.99 i would say they are the criminals!
Robbing B*stards!
Robbing B*stards!
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by pauline1981 Fri 19 Aug 2011, 3:48 pm
it s very bad not paying for ppv
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by Beer Fri 19 Aug 2011, 3:49 pm
pauline1981 wrote:it s very bad not paying for ppv
Such an honest and noble person.
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by pauline1981 Fri 19 Aug 2011, 3:58 pm
if no one paid they could not pay wreslers.the wreslers would starve
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by Beer Fri 19 Aug 2011, 4:00 pm
pauline1981 wrote:if no one paid they could not pay wreslers.the wreslers would starve
So thoughtful. I bet you give to chairty alot.
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by pauline1981 Fri 19 Aug 2011, 4:04 pm
im a patron of a wheelchair chaity thats why idont believe in pirecy
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by JoshSansom Fri 19 Aug 2011, 4:07 pm
pauline1981 wrote:im a patron of a wheelchair chaity thats why idont believe in pirecy
Because it would be unfair to ask them to "walk the plank"?
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by Beer Fri 19 Aug 2011, 4:08 pm
pauline1981 wrote:im a patron of a wheelchair chaity thats why idont believe in pirecy
Wow! So caring, that must take up alot of your time. So generous.
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by Kay Fabe Fri 19 Aug 2011, 7:14 pm
Pauline do you have a wheelchair?
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by Celtic Warrior Fri 19 Aug 2011, 7:21 pm
pauline1981 wrote:im a patron of a wheelchair chaity thats why idont believe in pirecy
He doesn't mean Pirates as in wooden legs...these people don't need your wheelchairs!
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by bretmeharty Sun 21 Aug 2011, 5:18 pm
Tell me is it hypocritical to call all these guys on here sheep with your "buddy" on the old 606, then come on here and be a totally different person.
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