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Now each region is Guarenteed at least two teams in Prem, could a draft system be the next step?

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Post by Kingshu Fri 09 Sep 2011, 3:23 pm

My understanding is that in the new Welsh Prem, each region has to have at least 2 and a maximum of 4 clubs in the Premiership.

With this set it place does it allow for a draft system to be set in place. There are a number of Models to be considered

1) either a Draft like in New Zealand, each team has a squad limit of say 35, and can secure 25 players in their own region that are excempt from the draft, (these are the core players of each region) the remaining spots in the squad are selected from the players that are entered into the draft, lowest team in League has first choice.

With this system either the player changes Prem team to one within his new region, or it could be that he can stay at his current Club, and maybe be selected by his regional team to be excempt from the draft next year.
i.e a Pontypridd player may not be selected by the Blues in the 25 man squad, therefore the Dragons select him as one of thier drafts, (the player can choose to move to say Newport, and hope to make the Dragons squa next year or can stay with Pontypridd and hope next year the Blues select him to thieir squad) if not in the Dragons match day squads, draft players are releashed back to thier registered club for the weekend.
This system removes the academies for producing players to a region, instead the funding is given to the clubs within a region, the clubs are responsible for producing the players, the regional team has pick of the best 25 players within it's region. Also means that if a region has depth in a certain position players will get gametime with other regions.

2) Darft like the one Australia are proposing
http://welshrugbyblog.co.uk/%E2%80%98warehouse-of-talent%E2%80%99-rugby-draft-system/

It would allow the 4 Welsh regions; Ospreys, Scarlets, Blues and Dragons an initial squad of 30 contracted players plus 5 rookies to start the season.

The 5 rookies chosen by each region would result in a total of 20 Rookies that would be placed in a combined player pool known as the ‘Expanded player squad’ these players can be drafted in from the regional academies, Premiership, national/regional leagues or University teams with the only restriction being the players must be Welsh qualified. The ‘Expanded player squad’ would start the season playing for their respective academy/club/university side as any other season, but if any of the regions occurred injury problems in the senior squad they can take a drafted player out of the EPS. This system will allow young regional academy players to gain more experience playing top flight rugby.

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3) a slightly watered down verson of 2 you would look at having a draft system under the academy structure. An ‘Expanded player squad’ selected from premiership and Universities. That would give each region a full senior squad, an academy squad for the season campaign then if they have injury problems they can tap the pool of rookies selected by either the regions or the WRU at the beginning of the season.

Thoughts? Could a draft system be applied to Wales with each region now guarenteed at least two clubs in the top flight? Could the academies be done away with, to put money into the Clubs? Could a draft balance out the players. and strengthen each region but ultitmatly giving players more gametime to strengthen the national team. Would it never work? would it need ammended even more to make a viaable Welsh model? or would it break a club culture or succession planning?



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Post by Kingshu Sat 10 Sep 2011, 12:00 pm

Looks like nobody has any thoughts on this subject. I was thinking with the 4 superclubs hogging all the talent a draft gives a better chance of players making it to the top and would better spread the young player throughout a egion. ie if the acamadies were got rid of it would stop dragons putting most of their young players in Newport, but instead they would belong to the club that brought them through .

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Post by Guest Sat 10 Sep 2011, 12:03 pm

if i wasn't suffering from severe lack of sleep I'd look at it and make a comment mate, maybe when I've recovered by Tuesday Smile

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Post by Cymroglan Sat 10 Sep 2011, 12:32 pm

What does this mean for the rest of Wales ? It's not progress

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Post by Shifty Mon 19 Sep 2011, 9:54 pm

Why should each club be limited to 1 region?
Surely if the Dragons need a scrum half for example, and a club has a very promising one they should make the region aware of him?

I like the sound of an 8 team premier competition, but I think they should play 4 times not 2, so clubs have more games to generate revenue.
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Post by Kingshu Tue 20 Sep 2011, 10:02 am

What about a draft system itself, would it work in Wales?

I have to sayin Ireland the Acadamies are working very well, and players not making it get to go to Connacht and possibly return, the provinces are in place with plenty of history.

But the regions are newish, while the Acadamies are good, could a draft system not be more beneficial to Wales?

The acadamies would be removed and the WRU funding would go to the clubs (which should inmprove the Welsh Prem. The acadamies don't even play in the BandI Cup, or even have teams, its Welsh clubs do, so would it not make more sense to remove the acadamies and rely on clubs to produce players?

A draft would allow a region to keep the best 25/30 players in the region there, but also allow it to strenghten by 5/10 players for other regions that are surplus to them.

Should really be considered


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Post by Shifty Tue 20 Sep 2011, 10:10 am

I don't think a draft system would work, Welsh rugby is about about local mentality to be honest, it is wrong for a player to spend all his career developing in one place then someone tells him to leave to play somewhere else when he may not wish too.

Surely if the player wants to leave to try and get first team rugby he can anyway, but to have a draft system is wrong. What works in the USA for other sports, might not work in Wales for rugby. If it was really such a good idea it would be used in all professional sports all over the world.
Do you really want your team split up every year, and the coach have to throw everything together again?
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Post by Kingshu Tue 20 Sep 2011, 11:26 am

"What works in the USA for other sports, might not work in Wales for rugby. If it was really such a good idea it would be used in all professional sports all over the world."

Your not aware then that a draft system (as in option 1 above) is used in New Zealand to select their super XV squads, and that Australia are considering using the draft in option 2 (with the expanded player pools) to use for their super XV rugby sides.

Scotland uses a (sort of reverse) draft system to place acadamy players with clubs.

"Do you really want your team split up every year, and the coach have to throw everything together again?"

There would be a core of 25 to 30 players for each region that would not be part of the draft, the remaining 5 to 10 players would then be drafted in, from the players that are left and put into the draft.

ie if Scarlets had 3 very good fly halves in their region, they would prop select 2 of them in there pool of players not entering the draft, meaning that Blues could select the 3rd choice fly half in the draft. The Scarlets 3rd choice flyhalf, would possibly be the Blues 2nd choice fly half for that season, meaning he gets more gametime at Celtic league level, than if he was just the 3rd choice at Scarlets. It would also inprove the Blues squad meaning they are better able to challage over the season.

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Post by Shifty Wed 21 Sep 2011, 7:01 am

Kingshu wrote:There would be a core of 25 to 30 players for each region that would not be part of the draft, the remaining 5 to 10 players would then be drafted in, from the players that are left and put into the draft.
I wasn't aware this is how it worked, I suppose it could be a good idea in theory then.
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