V2 WCC Round 1 Group 1

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Please vote using the polling system and the top two rated wrestlers will progress to te next stage.

Would love to see this exact poll run in a years time hopefully after Chris Hero has taken WWE by storm and see what the vote is then.
I suspect a large number of people whose wrestling intake is primarily or exclusively WWE would be jumping onboard.

Yeah, I could probably guess that the majority of these votes have just been for the wrestler that the voter recognises but if they were to know who Hero was then he'd be running away with this.

I am hoping an Indy guy goes far in this!

There's quite a number of indy fans on here now so there's the potential for one to cause a few upsets.

It'll be an acnievment considering 70 guys are made up of WWE & TNA alone

I already think I know who'll win

I think the majority of us can Gaff, but you can't disagree that Mr Brooks is the hottest property in wrestling at the moment.

I am hoping there will be several upsets Hero! We need to put Indy wrestlers on the map!

Mr Brooks did actually win it last time beating Jericho in the final.
The first time saw HBK beat Angle so I think it shows that for the most part we all have pretty decent taste!

I think I'm well and truly over Jericho now, he must comes across as a bitofaprick ans a complete yes man

I just hope the TNA guys are given a fair crack of the whip, An incident from the last World Cup on 606 saw Angle go out the Orton, who had seen his heel run meander off into at that point a tepid and (at that point)unexceptional face run, Angle on the other hand had an outstanding 18 months (which the last world cup was measured in) in the ring.I asked why this was and someone replyed that WWE was bigger than TNA.

I've voted for Morrison, I'm a WWE guy so I've never really seen this Chris Hero so I can't pass comment, but do so many of you guys watch enough of ROH to vote for him?
Morrison is a rich mans Benjiman in my opinion. Although Shelton was underated.
Sometimes I wonder if guys on here think it's cool to go against the WWE. If Morrison was in ROH & Hero WWE I expect the voting would be a whole lot different... Of Benjiman was in WWE he'd of barely registered a vote.

Brady, I am a casual if not religious ROH viewer, and I voted for Hero as out of everyone in this group I believe he is the only one with the all round package to merit it, as I previously stated Sting's in ring prime and mic skills passed each other like ships in the night, while Benjamin (who was remembered fondly in the WWE so may have obtained votes regardless), further down Morrison is a bit devoid of charisma and a wrestler who at times can be style over substances and well Heath Slater has no star qualities for me. I am aware of the anti-WWE is cool mentality that can exist among the IWC but I believe many of the people on this board are very fair minded and have 100% confidence that a WWE star cough*CM Punk*cough will be the eventual winner of this tournament

Dr Gregory House MD wrote:Brady, I am a casual if not religious ROH viewer, and I voted for Hero as out of everyone in this group I believe he is the only one with the all round package to merit it, as I previously stated Sting's in ring prime and mic skills passed each other like ships in the night, while Benjamin (who was remembered fondly in the WWE so may have obtained votes regardless), further down Morrison is a bit devoid of charisma and a wrestler who at times can be style over substances and well Heath Slater has no star qualities for me. I am aware of the anti-WWE is cool mentality that can exist among the IWC but I believe many of the people on this board are very fair minded and have 100% confidence that a WWE star cough*CM Punk*cough will be the eventual winner of this tournament

Thanks for your explainaton Doc, appreciate your points. Fair play I'm willing to following this poll & see how it ends up. I'm under the same illusions as you as to who will be the eventual winner. But let's face it he is the darling on the IWC at the minute & although I agree he's probably what his team logo eludes to at the moment he's very arrogant & snarky, like I'm so smart I can see this that you can't & I'm never wrong... This attitude could basically some up the IWC to a tee which is why I think he's so popular

Brady, I'd advise you watch some of Hero's work and you'll understand so many people are voting him. I'll openly admit I'd watch ROH everyday over the WWE and TNA but like Gregory above said, he is the only complete package on that list and that's what I'll be looking for when I vote!

Never been a massive fan of JoMo, find him boring.
Sting, I think he should have retired years ago.
Shelton Benjamin, insanely good in the ring but is a charisma vacuum. He is still awful in ROH and you rarely see the WGTT do promos like some of the other ROH guys do.
Slater, less said the better.

There's 1 hr and 45 mins left on this group, Chris hero looks to be through in 1st place but the icon sting and Shelton are all tied up for 2nd! If they can't be separated then Both will advance to the next final group stages!

And that's all she wrote for group one!!

The final results are as follows:

1st Chris hero 15 votes
2nd Sting 13 votes
3rd Shelton 13 votes
4th Heath Slater 4 votes
5th John Morrison 3 votes
6th Max Buck 1 vote

As there was a tie for second place both guys will progress to the next round.

Thanks for all your votes an excellent 49 cast! Please look out for group 2 which will be up shortly

AberdeenSteve wrote:Brady, I'd advise you watch some of Hero's work and you'll understand so many people are voting him. I'll openly admit I'd watch ROH everyday over the WWE and TNA but like Gregory above said, he is the only complete package on that list and that's what I'll be looking for when I vote!

Never been a massive fan of JoMo, find him boring.
Sting, I think he should have retired years ago.
Shelton Benjamin, insanely good in the ring but is a charisma vacuum. He is still awful in ROH and you rarely see the WGTT do promos like some of the other ROH guys do.
Slater, less said the better.

Ok Steve I'll bow down to your guys boarder knowledge & give him a look when I get chance... How has Heath Slater got more votes than Morrison?

People confused this for a competition to find the person most looking like Julianne Moore?

I like Heath Slater

Your growing infatuation with all things ginger has gone too far.

Your fault

Brady12 wrote:

AberdeenSteve wrote:Brady, I'd advise you watch some of Hero's work and you'll understand so many people are voting him. I'll openly admit I'd watch ROH everyday over the WWE and TNA but like Gregory above said, he is the only complete package on that list and that's what I'll be looking for when I vote!

Never been a massive fan of JoMo, find him boring.
Sting, I think he should have retired years ago.
Shelton Benjamin, insanely good in the ring but is a charisma vacuum. He is still awful in ROH and you rarely see the WGTT do promos like some of the other ROH guys do.
Slater, less said the better.

Ok Steve I'll bow down to your guys boarder knowledge & give him a look when I get chance... How has Heath Slater got more votes than Morrison?

We apparently have some folks with a warped sense of humour on here. SloMo JoMo should be getting more than Slater, but he's not good as good as the others.

It's not a joke - I genuinely like Heath Slater. I genuinely don't like John Morrisson. His character has no redeemable features. It is out of date, irrelevant and boring.

I too voted for Heath for a few reasons:

- I think Sting should be retired
- My time watching WWE didn't correspond with Shelton's time in the company and I don't want ROH... didn't think it right to vote for someone I have only seen via YouTube
- JoMo... speaking of YouTube here is someone made for it! I have heard he had more charisma as a heel but as I didn't watch WWE then couldn't comment on that
- Chris Hero ... I don't watch ROH so haven't seen him enough and didn't want to be one of those douches who vote for the Indy wrestler just because they are an Indy wrestler to look more intelligent etc.
- Heath has reasonable skills in the ring and can talk. Certainly isn't a main eventer but could see him as a solid mid card heel
- Max Buck... the bits I saw of the Young Bucks in TNA wasn't great though this may have had more to do with their issues with management etc. Tend to think that they are better off as a tag team and would be a kind of "whole more than the sum of the parts" situation. And I am judging this on singles ability only.

So that is why I went for Julianne. It is a little bit of a quirk of things that I didn't think it was the strongest grouping though I can see that much of this is down to my limited knowledge of wrestling outside WWE and the timeframes in which I watched it

I voted for Hero yesterday for one very simple reason, he was the best candidate by a long long way

Second for me would be Benjamin, an absolute Wrestling machine who with someone like Armando Estrada as his manager could have easily been World Champion

Third would be Sting, he probably should be retired but at a few years older than Taker he is proving that he can still work a longish program and can still work, his recent character change has been refreshing

JoMo for me could be a star but isn't and it's due to himself, he's a million times better, more over and better sound and look than the Charisma vaccum that is Heath Slater

Max Buck's best time has come as part of a tag team, someone so inexperianced with singles wrestling was always going to struggle

I don't think it's likely people are trying to be 'cool' by not voting for the WWE talent, the problem is that the WWE talent available in this vote aren't guys many seem to like

Also, if people have got time then there is no reason why they shouldn't take advantage of YouTube and check out all six competitors and form your owm opinions instead of making accusations that people are opting for a percieved cool vote

You can't develop a relationship with a wrestler based on a few youtube videos. Surely an appreciator of fine storylines and character building such as yourself appreciates that Gaffer?

It takes months of watching them in context to develop a genuine feeling towards them.

If that where true then I see nothing in why anyone would vote for Slater.

I don't think I agree with you, for me first impressions are important in Wrestling, it makes me want to either see more of them or not bother with them

The first time I saw Bryan Danielson was on TWC on SKY and it was a match against Roderick Strong, I'd never heard of him or ROH before that and instantly became hooked so to answer, no, I definitely don't think you have to invest months in someone in order to vote

the-gaffer wrote:I voted for Hero yesterday for one very simple reason, he was the best candidate by a long long way

Second for me would be Benjamin, an absolute Wrestling machine who with someone like Armando Estrada as his manager could have easily been World Champion

Third would be Sting, he probably should be retired but at a few years older than Taker he is proving that he can still work a longish program and can still work, his recent character change has been refreshing

JoMo for me could be a star but isn't and it's due to himself, he's a million times better, more over and better sound and look than the Charisma vaccum that is Heath Slater

Max Buck's best time has come as part of a tag team, someone so inexperianced with singles wrestling was always going to struggle

I don't think it's likely people are trying to be 'cool' by not voting for the WWE talent, the problem is that the WWE talent available in this vote aren't guys many seem to like

Also, if people have got time then there is no reason why they shouldn't take advantage of YouTube and check out all six competitors and form your owm opinions instead of making accusations that people are opting for a percieved cool vote

Wow I've hit a nerve here Gaffer, I wasn't for one minute assuming you were voting to sound 'cool'... We all know you do nothing all day but watch pro wrestling... I'm just surprised there are so many on here like you that are so sheltered....

Thanks for the ironies of all ironies calling someone else a charisma vacuum

I went for Chris Hero because I'm cool and thats the bottom line coz stone cold said so (glass breaks) da da, da da da da, pi pi pi.

awww is the 'WWE guy' hurt?

If I bore you so much could you please extract your tongue from my arse, it's been there long enough

Gaff I wouldn't worry about it, the guys a troll who gets off trying to get a reaction out of people but plays a cleaver political game as to butt suck guys like Hero and others (no offense Hero and others) so it keeps nothing from being said

Gaff, looks like we need to both get back in our boxes as the Brady patrol is out!

the-gaffer wrote:awww is the 'WWE guy' hurt?

If I bore you so much could you please extract your tongue from my arse, it's been there long enough

Lol!! To be fair Gaffer I do really respect your opinion on here same with you Steve both of you have a wider interest in all types of wrestling that is clear I don't have a problem with you voting for Chris Hero....

I guess I just expected this board to represent the real wrestling fans with the most being more familiar with the mainstream product

I think it's shown in the 2nd round that it's not a 'it's cool to hate WWE' vote with Cody Rhodes annihilating indy faves like El Generico and Chris Sabin.

Hero wrote:I think it's shown in the 2nd round that it's not a 'it's cool to hate WWE' vote with Cody Rhodes annihilating indy faves like El Generico and Chris Sabin.

To be fair though Rhodes has been the WWE's break out start of the last 18 months, that vote looked a formality - where as I expected the first one to be closer

Brady12 wrote:I guess I just expected this board to represent the real wrestling fans with the most being more familiar with the mainstream product

Surely the "real wrestling fans" would be the ones with the wider knowledge and not just a focus on WWE? So by seeing Hero win, that indicates the board DOES represent the real wrestling fan, does it not?

Brady12 wrote:

Hero wrote:I think it's shown in the 2nd round that it's not a 'it's cool to hate WWE' vote with Cody Rhodes annihilating indy faves like El Generico and Chris Sabin.

To be fair though Rhodes has been the WWE's break out start of the last 18 months, that vote looked a formality - where as I expected the first one to be closer

The first one was closer. It's just that it went with a guy from ROH and you're making sarcastic comments about the IWC trying to be "cool" by not voting for WWE guys. Nonsense.

Celtic Warrior wrote:

Brady12 wrote:I guess I just expected this board to represent the real wrestling fans with the most being more familiar with the mainstream product

Surely the "real wrestling fans" would be the ones with the wider knowledge and not just a focus on WWE? So by seeing Hero win, that indicates the board DOES represent the real wrestling fan, does it not?

I think your taking my use of the word real far far too literally....Reality....The majority of wrestling fans watch WWE not ROH, its simple.... I don't know how your defining 'real wrestling fans?' but in case you haven't notice the most popular product is WWE.

went for sting. not heard of seen chris hero

Are you voting for who you rate the highest now or over there whole careers?

If it's the latter there is no point in a vote Sting easily!