England Post Mortem

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Where now for England?

2011 will be forever known to England fans as the world cup where the Professional approach went out of the window replaced with Tindallgate, funny balls, Jumping off of ferries and dwarf throwing have I missed anything else? as the list was a long one, and the saddest thing for me wasn't losing to France (we all knew what the French can do) no it was the England legends that faded away through out this RWC Wilko & MJ.

Have their reputations been tainted, for the short term, yes IMO.

So where now, I for one would be happy to sacrifice the next 6 nations and try and build a team capable of playing a more positive style of rugby in the four years leading up to the next RWC which is here unless the RFU really muck it up.

What do you guys want to happen?

rugbyfan wrote:I like MJ - it's hard not to when he's won the RWC and I like the way he 'tells it straight'. I think he's deeply passionate about the game and cares about England.

But, he should never have got the job in the first place. He may turn out to be a fantastic coach/manager but giving someone the top job in the country when they have zero experience is in no way a good option. Can you imagine Alan Shearer being given the England football job without ever managing a club? Great players do not always make great coaches.

Mark Hughes was given the Wales manager job.

But I take your point - its a fast track to get fans on side of the manager by having a personality in there as opposed to a competent candidate.

Adam - No offence to Wales, but they are not in the top teams in terms of world football. In fact they are 90th in the world. managing a premiership football team is seen as being a higher level than coaching Wales.

this is not knockking Wales! The same can be said for NI and other international football teams.

rugbyfan wrote:Adam - No offence to Wales, but they are not in the top teams in terms of world football. In fact they are 90th in the world. managing a premiership football team is seen as being a higher level than coaching Wales.

this is not knockking Wales! The same can be said for NI and other international football teams.

We were 117th last time I looked behind Haiti!

Okay better example - Jurgen Klinsman took over Germany as his first role.

I do agree with you though - good players dont always make good coaches - but they sometimes do as well - the job shold go to the best candidate.

To be honest, I think national team management is easier than club as you have the best to pick your teams fro and its not a day to day job for the most part.

Boyne wrote:Was the ferry moving at the time?? Could he have been sucked into the rotor blades?

Rotor blades?

It wasn't a helicopter. You chopper.

Glas a du wrote:Does anybody remember the hushed up player power incident in the 09 6N? The players told Jonno they wanted more freedom to run?

As ye reep so shall ye sow.

A recent comment from an England player:

"We played this whole tournament in a different way...The way we played at the start of the Six Nations is the best way for us to maximise the talent we have in the squad, without a doubt. But we didn't do that. We didn't use what we've got and I don't see any point in that at all...I have my frustrations, but I’m still a relatively new young player in the England squad, so I don’t feel I can really speak my mind yet. You have to earn your stripes."