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Wales avoid World Cup ref Alain Rolland for Six Nations matches
ALAIN ROLLAND will play no part in any of Wales' Six Nations matches following his controversial decision to send off skipper Sam Warburton in the World Cup semi-final against France.
Rolland will not take charge or perform the duties of assistant referee or TMO in Wales games throughout the whole tournament.
The Irishman became the villain of Wales' World Cup campaign in New Zealand after showing Warburton the red card for a "tip tackle" on France winger Vincent Clerc in the opening stages of the biggest game in Wales' history.
Wales went on to lose the match 9-8, with many Welsh fans feeling Rolland was too hasty in dismissing the Blues flanker.
Warburton was subsequently banned for three weeks after admitting the tackle was dangerous.
While the IRB have given no official reason for the decision to keep Wales and Rolland apart, it contrasts to the previous three years when the former Irish international player has refereed Wales in each tournament.
He has taken carge of Wales' clashes against England in the past two Six Nations tournaments
Rolland will, however, referee France's match against England in Paris on March 11 and Italy's clash with Scotland a week later.
He will also be assistant referee for Italy v England and Scotland v France.
IRB Referees Selection Committee Chairman David Pickering, who is also chairman of the WRU, said: “It was a very tough selection process. The overall standard of performance by the match official team during Rugby World Cup was exceptionally high and they can be proud of their contribution to what was a wonderful Tournament.
"The key now is to maintain these high standards and build on the execllent work achieved in New Zealand as we refocus on the RBS Six Nations.”
Full refereeing appointments for Wales' Six Nations matches
Ireland v Wales: Feb 5, Aviva Stadium, Ref: W Barnes
Wales v Scotland: Feb 12, Millennium Stadium, Ref: R Poite
England v Wales: Feb 25 Twickenham, Ref: S Walsh
Wales v Italy: March 10, Millennium Stadium, Ref: G Clancy
Wales v France: March 17, Millennium Stadium, Ref: C Joubert
Rolland will not take charge or perform the duties of assistant referee or TMO in Wales games throughout the whole tournament.
The Irishman became the villain of Wales' World Cup campaign in New Zealand after showing Warburton the red card for a "tip tackle" on France winger Vincent Clerc in the opening stages of the biggest game in Wales' history.
Wales went on to lose the match 9-8, with many Welsh fans feeling Rolland was too hasty in dismissing the Blues flanker.
Warburton was subsequently banned for three weeks after admitting the tackle was dangerous.
While the IRB have given no official reason for the decision to keep Wales and Rolland apart, it contrasts to the previous three years when the former Irish international player has refereed Wales in each tournament.
He has taken carge of Wales' clashes against England in the past two Six Nations tournaments
Rolland will, however, referee France's match against England in Paris on March 11 and Italy's clash with Scotland a week later.
He will also be assistant referee for Italy v England and Scotland v France.
IRB Referees Selection Committee Chairman David Pickering, who is also chairman of the WRU, said: “It was a very tough selection process. The overall standard of performance by the match official team during Rugby World Cup was exceptionally high and they can be proud of their contribution to what was a wonderful Tournament.
"The key now is to maintain these high standards and build on the execllent work achieved in New Zealand as we refocus on the RBS Six Nations.”
Full refereeing appointments for Wales' Six Nations matches
Ireland v Wales: Feb 5, Aviva Stadium, Ref: W Barnes
Wales v Scotland: Feb 12, Millennium Stadium, Ref: R Poite
England v Wales: Feb 25 Twickenham, Ref: S Walsh
Wales v Italy: March 10, Millennium Stadium, Ref: G Clancy
Wales v France: March 17, Millennium Stadium, Ref: C Joubert
jammoboss- Posts : 33
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Re: Wales avoid World Cup ref Alain Rolland for Six Nations matches
The villain hey? For applying the rules? I thought Hook and Jones were the villains for missing all those points?
Seriously, dry your tears, mate. Stop whinging...
Seriously, dry your tears, mate. Stop whinging...
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To be fair think of the amount of the welsh general rugby public that were told by ITV that Rolland was the reason Wales didnt reach the final, think of the amount of these that flood cardiff on international matchdays and start drinking at 11am, its probably for his own good (however correct the call was and how much blame lies on the shoelaces of hook & stevey), he'd be tarred and feathered.
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Re: Wales avoid World Cup ref Alain Rolland for Six Nations matches
.....whatever, I just think its really pathetic. If anything the french should want none of him.
When Jones handled the ball on the ground, it was the clearest peno you'll ever see (Poux got pinged).
Up steps Hapenny and.......misses.
Wales lost cause they were not good enough to beat France. End of ..nuff said. Punto basta.
When Jones handled the ball on the ground, it was the clearest peno you'll ever see (Poux got pinged).
Up steps Hapenny and.......misses.
Wales lost cause they were not good enough to beat France. End of ..nuff said. Punto basta.
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dude, i agree with you, i just said that, and i actually posted a massive rant about the conversations ive had to have with people in the office trying to explain why it was the right call, why we still should have won and why Rolland was a good ref.
if you want to be a knobber, do it elsewhere
if you want to be a knobber, do it elsewhere
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People can make up their own mids, no? Hopefully some are not so influenced about what c rap they hear on the TV they actually believe it?
Anyway sorry for knocking your nob
Anyway sorry for knocking your nob
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Boyne, to be fair TV influences people so so so so much.
The most common commentator myths:
- If the defening team collapses three 5m scrums is a penalty try
- He has to let him up
- That forward passes are about where the ball travels
etc
The most common commentator myths:
- If the defening team collapses three 5m scrums is a penalty try
- He has to let him up
- That forward passes are about where the ball travels
etc
Re: Wales avoid World Cup ref Alain Rolland for Six Nations matches
The full 6N match officials appointments are here:
http://www.irb.com/mm/Document/Training/MatchOfficialPnl/02/06/04/30/110919TO6NAppointmentsEdited.pdf
http://www.irb.com/mm/Document/Training/MatchOfficialPnl/02/06/04/30/110919TO6NAppointmentsEdited.pdf
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haha boyne, stay away from there...
... and yes, but the call was being argued against by faces people will recognise as greats of the game and this will of course lead them into believing what the pundits are saying. Especially if theyre 5/6 pints deep by then.
Alas, I've had to explain the decision less and less, and ive stopped hearing "we woz robbed" around the office, for now, me and my moustache are a happy man!
... and yes, but the call was being argued against by faces people will recognise as greats of the game and this will of course lead them into believing what the pundits are saying. Especially if theyre 5/6 pints deep by then.
Alas, I've had to explain the decision less and less, and ive stopped hearing "we woz robbed" around the office, for now, me and my moustache are a happy man!
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Boyne wrote:The villain hey? For applying the rules? I thought Hook and Jones were the villains for missing all those points?
Seriously, dry your tears, mate. Stop whinging...
This is obviously cut and pasted from a news article online. The way it's written gives it away. A quick google search confirms this. Don't shoot the messenger!
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But Wales have Steve Walsh for the England tussle. From the frying pan into the fire, as it were. Whether complaints about Rolland are legit or not, no one knows what you are going to get with Steve Walsh. Still don't know why he is even a top level referee.
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What a load of old cobblers, Rolland DID NOT cost us that match, yes his (correct) decision by letter of the law change course of the match but our missed kicks is what lost us that game.
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Re: Wales avoid World Cup ref Alain Rolland for Six Nations matches
This is a Weatern Mail article. Do not take it out on the OP, blame the Western Fail for another wonderfully one eyed article.
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Boyne wrote:.....whatever, I just think its really pathetic. If anything the french should want none of him.
When Jones handled the ball on the ground, it was the clearest peno you'll ever see (Poux got pinged).
Up steps Hapenny and.......misses.
Wales lost cause they were not good enough to beat France. End of ..nuff said. Punto basta.
It was Charteris BTW
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Griff wrote:This is a Weatern Mail article. Do not take it out on the OP, blame the Western Fail for another wonderfully one eyed article.
I was scared to reply
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Re: Wales avoid World Cup ref Alain Rolland for Six Nations matches
Why has Rolland not been allowed to ref the Wales games in the 6ns.
Is it just the luck of the draw, or have the WRU demanded that Rolland not be a REF in any of their games?
Whether the red card in the RWC was right or not. It should not play any part in the 6ns games.
Is it just the luck of the draw, or have the WRU demanded that Rolland not be a REF in any of their games?
Whether the red card in the RWC was right or not. It should not play any part in the 6ns games.
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Well I for one am glad.
And before I get jumped all over, its not for THAT decision, it's for the myriad of other ones he gets wrong.
For years he has given us a hard time in games and he's the one ref who I can't stand seeing in the middle when Wales play. I would even prefer Wayne Barnes and that's saying something.
And before I get jumped all over, its not for THAT decision, it's for the myriad of other ones he gets wrong.
For years he has given us a hard time in games and he's the one ref who I can't stand seeing in the middle when Wales play. I would even prefer Wayne Barnes and that's saying something.
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Does this mean we can pick Sam 'Spears' Warburton?
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Glad we don't have him,nothing to do with the World Cup,
im glad because he always seems to officiate low scoring games.
He is clearly unfit and keeps the tempo of the game at a slow to moderate pace.
im glad because he always seems to officiate low scoring games.
He is clearly unfit and keeps the tempo of the game at a slow to moderate pace.
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majesticimperialman wrote:Is it just the luck of the draw, or have the WRU demanded that Rolland not be a REF in any of their games?
How do you propose the WRU could do that?
I also love the irony of an Irishman telling Welsh people to stop moaning about a refereeing decision, because we didn't see any of that from your side of the water after our 6 Nations game this year did we ;-)
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unfortunately this is probably because of the mindless louts that now go and watch wales games. You know, the kind who don't even support a club or region. They usually are flanked by their slightly rotund wives who have plenty of pink cowboy hats and a plastic dafodils, but no common sense or rugby knowledge.
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Not really all that great, Rolland is a far better referee than the other five we get instead.
The IRB really need to invest in personel on the adjudicating front.
The IRB really need to invest in personel on the adjudicating front.
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I still think that Rolland is a very good ref. I stand by my thoughts that his decision in the RWC (although correct) was overzealous.
That said, i do understand the Welsh fans willingness to avoid him as he has generally had his bad matches when refereeing Wales.
That said, i do understand the Welsh fans willingness to avoid him as he has generally had his bad matches when refereeing Wales.
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Surely this isn't right.
If Rolland did nothing wrong then why should Wales avoid him for the 6 nations, this doesn't sit comfortable with me.
Mo Bro
If Rolland did nothing wrong then why should Wales avoid him for the 6 nations, this doesn't sit comfortable with me.
Mo Bro
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Boyne, do you mean Charteris handled and Mas got pinged?Boyne wrote:.....whatever, I just think its really pathetic. If anything the french should want none of him.
When Jones handled the ball on the ground, it was the clearest peno you'll ever see (Poux got pinged).
Up steps Hapenny and.......misses.
Wales lost cause they were not good enough to beat France. End of ..nuff said. Punto basta.
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What if its just a coincidence?
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Maybe Glas, but with 5 games you would expect one of the top refs in the world to be a touch judge or TMO.
Maybe the WRU couldn't guarantee his safety?
Lets face it if someone gets tanked up there is very little stopping them running onto the pitch and thumping him.
Maybe the WRU couldn't guarantee his safety?
Lets face it if someone gets tanked up there is very little stopping them running onto the pitch and thumping him.
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AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Boyne, do you mean Charteris handled and Mas got pinged?Boyne wrote:.....whatever, I just think its really pathetic. If anything the french should want none of him.
When Jones handled the ball on the ground, it was the clearest peno you'll ever see (Poux got pinged).
Up steps Hapenny and.......misses.
Wales lost cause they were not good enough to beat France. End of ..nuff said. Punto basta.
Wales were not good enough to beat France with only 14 players.
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Wales are not the only side to have a player sent off, but they seem to have the most excuses and unwillingness to let it go. Move on!!!maestegmafia wrote:AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Boyne, do you mean Charteris handled and Mas got pinged?Boyne wrote:.....whatever, I just think its really pathetic. If anything the french should want none of him.
When Jones handled the ball on the ground, it was the clearest peno you'll ever see (Poux got pinged).
Up steps Hapenny and.......misses.
Wales lost cause they were not good enough to beat France. End of ..nuff said. Punto basta.
Wales were not good enough to beat France with only 14 players.
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It's not all Welshmen, honestly it isn't. Most of us know it was missed kicks that cost us. Hopefully Sam Warburton coming out and saying that Rolland was right to red-card him will draw a line under it.
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To be honest, I never really track how many times a referee hasn't overseen Ireland. Odds are avoiding Wales is a complete non-factor when they were organising the referees for the games.
Jeeps, if you couldn't have a referee oversee a team in a match because the media make a huge deal out of one call in a previous game, then we will run out of referees available to oversee any rugby game within 2 years.
Jeeps, if you couldn't have a referee oversee a team in a match because the media make a huge deal out of one call in a previous game, then we will run out of referees available to oversee any rugby game within 2 years.
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