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Post by Tenez Fri 04 Nov 2011, 9:21 am

That would be my pick of the day. Roddick v Federer in Basle a close second.

Nikolay and David have played 4 times against each other and Davy won the last 3 times, including once on clay. The Davydenko loss came in 2004 when he was ranked about 200th and even that victory from Ferrer was a close 3 setter on clay.

That means Davydenko is 7/0 up in his last 7 encounters against the top 2 spaniards.

Of course today might be a different story as Davydenko has never quite retrieved his glorious form since his injury and to make matter worse his change of racquet from Prince to Dunlop.

Prince is probably one of the worst sport company in terms of sponsoriship. They are after the big names only and treat the rest with disdain. I remember that Prince refused to give Davydenko a decent contract even when he was number 3 in the world. I remember in Miami 2008 he was playing with one racket! yes, one racquet of the model he liked and another one of a different Prince model. It did not prevent him to win Miami that year thanks to his very low stringing tension (20kg in most part of teh racket going as low as 17kg in his the top crosses of his racquet). I say thanks to his low stringing tension cause had he broken a string, he woudl have had to play with his lesser preferred model. For those who are not familiar with string tension, it means Davydenko can generate power at the cost of very poor control. This control is as hard to achieve that he takes the ball early and flat...requiring an amazing fine tuned timing. I think that's one reason he has struggled since his injury and change of racquet.

BTW, Prince could not even retain Sharapova who went with Head...I believe. But that's another story.

Anyway, Hope this positive post on Nikolay isn't going to curse him this afternoon.


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Post by noleisthebest Fri 04 Nov 2011, 9:59 am

Davydenko seems to be in very patchy form at the moment. I don't know what the problem is, really.
I don't see him winning against Ferrer today, not unless he is on top form which he is not.
The challenge of the match is to count how many times a point gets played at the net....

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Post by Tenez Fri 04 Nov 2011, 1:51 pm

But hopefully, he can be motivated to play a top 5 again.

I think he can do it!

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Post by noleisthebest Fri 04 Nov 2011, 2:12 pm

Tenez wrote:But hopefully, he can be motivated to play a top 5 again.

I think he can do it!

I dunno about top 5, but Davy should be back in the top 8. I was at the O2 when he beat Federer, and when he's on, he can certainly pull out some magic, however, he's too much/exclusively on the baseline for my liking, I don't know why he never developed his game a bit forward into the court, he's fast enough...

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Post by Tenez Fri 04 Nov 2011, 2:15 pm

He does come to the net quite a bit when facing Ndal.

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Post by noleisthebest Fri 04 Nov 2011, 2:21 pm

Tenez wrote:He does come to the net quite a bit when facing Ndal.
I must admit I haven't seen any of those matches, or at least don't remember them.
Although their games are totally different, yet they are similar in their light-footedness, I much prefer Simon who has a lot more talent and flair. What's going on with him?

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Post by legendkillar Fri 04 Nov 2011, 3:15 pm

I do question if Davy has what it takes to get back up the rankings. He wasn't praised enough for his speed in executing his BH especially. If I was a Davy fan I would've been in me grave years ago.

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Post by Tenez Fri 04 Nov 2011, 3:35 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:He does come to the net quite a bit when facing Ndal.
I must admit I haven't seen any of those matches, or at least don't remember them.
Although their games are totally different, yet they are similar in their light-footedness, I much prefer Simon who has a lot more talent and flair. What's going on with him?

Simon more talent than Davy? I don;t think so...and I like Simon's game too actually. But Simon is a poorer version of Davydenko.

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Post by laverfan Fri 04 Nov 2011, 3:52 pm

Monfils out of Valencia after loss to Granollers. Erm

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Post by noleisthebest Fri 04 Nov 2011, 3:56 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:He does come to the net quite a bit when facing Ndal.
I must admit I haven't seen any of those matches, or at least don't remember them.
Although their games are totally different, yet they are similar in their light-footedness, I much prefer Simon who has a lot more talent and flair. What's going on with him?

Simon more talent than Davy? I don;t think so...and I like Simon's game too actually. But Simon is a poorer version of Davydenko.

I don't know who's a bigger talent, but Simon's got a lot more game, I saw him play some beautiful attacking recently, couldn't believe it; he seems to have the same mindset as Murray in the past, except that I like Simon's counter punching a lot more, probably the most elegant of them all. And I love when he gets annoyed heart

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Post by Tenez Fri 04 Nov 2011, 4:12 pm

I like Simon's game a lot. But he doesn't take the ball as early as Davydenko. However you are right that he must be something right as he has Davydenko's number...in h2h.

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Post by Tenez Fri 04 Nov 2011, 6:00 pm

Has anybody noticed that Davydenko has a service motion very similar to Becker?

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Post by Tenez Fri 04 Nov 2011, 6:11 pm

Great game from Davydenko to break back. 4/3 Ferrer back on serve.

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Post by Tenez Fri 04 Nov 2011, 7:09 pm

Right! Davydenko played superbly....at times...but gave too many easy points most of the time.

His game is so fragile that he needs tons of confidence and rhythm to deliver. Ferrer was ferrer and consistency prevailed but the difference in class between the 2 was striking. I even felt that the spanish were supporting the bold player.

It's clear that the sharpest the game, the more fragile it is. This is what makes Federer such an outstanding player. To deliver so much for so long without ever going off the boil like all other players with a sharp game is testimony of his unequalled greatness.

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Post by noleisthebest Fri 04 Nov 2011, 7:47 pm

Tenez wrote:Right! Davydenko played superbly....at times...but gave too many easy points most of the time.

His game is so fragile that he needs tons of confidence and rhythm to deliver. Ferrer was ferrer and consistency prevailed but the difference in class between the 2 was striking. I even felt that the spanish were supporting the bold player.

It's clear that the sharpest the game, the more fragile it is. This is what makes Federer such an outstanding player. To deliver so much for so long without ever going off the boil like all other players with a sharp game is testimony of his unequalled greatness.

I can only bear to watch Ferer against an all-courter...

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Post by SAHARA STALLION Sat 05 Nov 2011, 11:58 am

Ferrer is sublime, and a classic tennis player who plays the game the way it should be played.

Davydenko is decent, but he is no match for the giants of the game. He has had to cower from Nadal and Ferrer on the courts with surfaces like the M1 carriageway, and gets mauled on the surface of the true greats.

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Post by Jeremy_Kyle Sat 05 Nov 2011, 2:43 pm

Ferrer is boring. He also has n't really the guts to play Nadal and regularly chokes when he has opportunity to break or set poins. Disappointing.
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Post by Tenez Sat 05 Nov 2011, 5:21 pm

Jeremy_Kyle wrote:Ferrer is boring. He also has n't really the guts to play Nadal and regularly chokes when he has opportunity to break or set poins. Disappointing.

Yes. Actually he chokes against all players ranked higher than him. Good thing for him he can outlast all the other players.

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Post by SAHARA STALLION Sat 05 Nov 2011, 7:42 pm

Jeremy_Kyle wrote:Ferrer is boring. He also has n't really the guts to play Nadal and regularly chokes when he has opportunity to break or set poins. Disappointing.
Ferrer is possibly the single most exciting player on the planet. His two handed backhand is arguably the most graceful shot in tennis outside of Nicolas Almagro's serve.

He's not only a fighter, but his natural talent is so incredible he doesn't need much in the ways of size and strength to play with the big guns. He is disappointing at Roland Garros, but he'll pull through and perform well there in the end.

To get to 5th in a strange ranking system where hard and grass court tournaments are considered equal to far superior clay tournaments is highly impressive.

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Post by Jeremy_Kyle Sat 05 Nov 2011, 7:50 pm

I think you remind me of Socal after a two months exposure to the Sahara's sun........ Laugh
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Post by Tenez Sat 05 Nov 2011, 9:58 pm

Weird the way Ferrer collapsedfrom being 2/ up in the 3rd set. He completely imploded when he was denied an ace (don't have HE there).

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Post by Tenez Sun 06 Nov 2011, 4:48 pm

What an ugly player this Granollers. My worst player ever!!!!!!

Monaco is a choker and Granollers is simly gutless!

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