Tyson-Bruno round 1 - overlooked as one of Boxing's greatest rounds???

Someone once told me that the UK didn't get to watch this fight live...How true that is I don't know.. but maybe If that was the case you missed the sheer excitement and craziness of it all!!!...Took place at a crossroads time of my life when I was wondering whether to follow my heart or my head.....

However....Bruno was not highly regarded losing to the ordinary Smith and the slob-on-the-night Tim..so we all expected an early night for Frank....

When he was down after about ten seconds that's what we thought we had....However he got up..got warned about five times for fouling...then had a point taken off for smacking Tyson when he missed with a wild swing and turned his back on him.....

He then did something we thought hardly possible at the time...right hand..left hook and bang Tyson's legs went and Tyson staggered to the ropes.....a superb opportunity beckoned and was then missed to do the impossible because he didn't believe and held on.....

Then the bell went.........and the rest was history..and a myth was exploded no matter what happened the rest of the fight!

A round overlooked for sure.......Certainly an incredible three minutes which for me belongs up there....

With some of the greatest rounds...

was definately a good round and seeing tyson rocked at that point must have been incredible. youre probably right is slightly overlooked.

as for one of the best rounds not for me.

Why???? Sure Hagler-Hearns was great but how many others were out of it's league..

not saying it wasnt a fantastic round but doesnt trouble vasquez marquez or bowe holyfield. just my view different people like different things.

A stark reminder of the importance of self-belief in fights. Must have been incredible. Had Bruno Ko'ed him - Don Kings hair would have fallen off.

Wishes are dishes that the poor dine upon!

Certainly an eventful round.......Alex I'm not saying it's as good as other rounds...

I'm generalising by asking if it's up there as one of the greatest...

DelaHoya and Whittaker are great but no one say's that they are in Ali's league...

One of Boxing's greatest rounds....

I had to go back and watch it, and yes, I'd forgotten what a good round it was - wild. I'd also forgotten Tyson was still shaken until the bell from that Bruno left hook. Good old Frank gave it a real go. But yes, maybe it has been a little overlooked.

Good round but not really a great one for me. Bruno's knockdown was more of a grazing shot rather than a solid bomb. Yes Tyson got rocked but part from that there was a lot of mauling, biased refereeing by Steele as no officals in those days ever so the dirty tricks that Tyson did and no exchanges between the two fighters. Far more memorable rounds from Tyson's fights with Ruddock in my opinion.

One of the great rounds ?? Really

As Mikey said Bruno had hold of the back of Tyson neck for most the round, absolutely clinging on dear life, Tyson was sturdied by that shot but was hardly in a significant amount of trouble as portrayed.

Wouldn't even be a nominee for the top 100 of great rounds in my opinion.

A knockdown....a near knockdown of an impregnable force at that time....a point off.....electric atmosphere....

A top round and like I said if you saw it live it added to the excitement...

I saw it live, admittedly on TV as it was the first fight to be shown on Sky in this country but for a round that had so few clean punches and I would not call the "wobble" by Tyson a near knockdown by any means.

We can agree to disagree...for me he neasrly had him off his feet..

Absolute insult to add that round in the same regards as Hagler vs Hearns. About 4 clean punches, Tyson slightly wobbled does not make a round a class.

Your butt licking of Tyson amazes me sometimes TRUSS.

I remember Tyson hitting Bruno when he was down and the US commentators laughing about it, and the ref not even warning Tyson. Fast forward to Abraham hitting Dirrell when he was down, and Americans treating Abraham like some sort of serial killer!!!

Dirrell deserved it. Can't stand him.

Jukebox Timebomb wrote:I remember Tyson hitting Bruno when he was down and the US commentators laughing about it, and the ref not even warning Tyson. Fast forward to Abraham hitting Dirrell when he was down, and Americans treating Abraham like some sort of serial killer!!!

One eyed the US commentators- Anyone remember Benn-Mclennan? Benn hit G-man on the back of the head with some rabbit punches but Mclennan hit Benn on the back of the head with a few full force rights (punching downward) and barely a mention.

Suppose "Get in there Frank" isn't biased???

Of course it is - but when our fighters foul - they usually call it - even the nutjob that is Duke Mckenzie (on most occasions). Harry Carpenter as well - often pointing out fouls from both sides. The american commentators seem to turn a blind eye bar one or two exceptions.

yeah i agree no doubt the brit commentators are supporting the brit but they do generally make all the fair calls even whilst supporting the brit. i dont think you can say the same about a fair amount of american commentators - however i think the majority are fair analysts.

I've seen Reg Gutteridge cheering a win whilst an American is senseless on the floor...yet when Ghana's Nelson celebrated after he smashed out Cowdell..

"You'd think he'd wait till he got up"..

"He's done him Jim" remember that classic line when Benn had mclellan going..

Jim Watt - "The good news is"....

Yep we are biased but you're just as bad..

its not bias in that sense mate - because the americans call fights pretty fairly - no false excitement - its just ours for the most part call a foul a foul whoever does it and US ones only seem to notice it when its the opposition.

Jim Watt doesn't count - he is the Audley Harrison of commentators and lacks even the skill Audley has shown once every blue moon so he shouldn't be taken seriously.

Trussman - I'm sure you're right that the fight wasn't shown live on television in the UK. This of course was before the days of Sky and Pay For View. Probably as was the case for some overeas sporting events at that time, the bout could be seen at private cinemas. I do though remember listening on the radio, as did millions of others, in the early hours of the morning and cheering ''Big Frank'' on.

The momentary impact of Harry Carpenter's rallying call to ''Get in there, Frank'' was massive and second only, in my - admittedly limited - experience of fights involving British boxers, to Cooper's knockdown of Clay. I can understand the purists here being fairly dismissive of the boxing quality but the possibility being raised, albeit fleetingly, that Bruno could turn the tables and actually win makes it a great round for me.

I also wouldn't condemn Carpenter for his clear bias on this occasion. It was well known that he and Bruno had a mutual and considerable respect. Furthermore, Bruno was such an underdog and had been thoroughly written off by all the pundits before the fight started that it would have been unnatural for the little commentator not to give his friend, the big boxer, every encouragement.

He then did something we thought hardly possible at the time...right hand..left hook and bang Tyson's legs went and Tyson staggered to the ropes.....a superb opportunity beckoned and was then missed to do the impossible because he didn't believe and held on.....

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I actually remembered it differently and had to watch it again to make sure but at no point was there an opportunity to stop Tyson. Tyson was staggered but he fought right back and tied up Bruno to buy some recovery time. I remember Harry Carpenter's usual unproffessional commentary where he flaps like an excited schoolgirl after seeing Tyson wobbled but remember thinking afterwards that it was a big big fuss over next to nothing.

I think Tyson gets a bad wrap for his chin by some on here but I thought he had a decent chin and proved it in that fight.

I have to agree with you Super in reference to Tyson's chin. Considering the size of Tyson in comparison to most of his top level opponents, he was often 3-4 inches shorter and a couple of stone lighter. Yet he repeatedly fought in the trenches and during his peak time very rarely showed any effect from the punches he took. Also any defeat that he encountered were from an accumulation of punches rather than a one punch blow out from much bigger guys.

With a round that was witnessed last night between Kirkland and Angulo I think we can put to the bed that Tyson vs Bruno 1, round 1, was not a great round.

Super and Mikey - I still believe the round had a massive, albeit fleeting, impact on the general British sports follower - millions were listening in on radios in the early hours of the morning - and for that reason merits being classed as a great round. I accept and understand why those more knowledgeable as to boxing would strongly disagree. Best, Guildford.

Super D Boon wrote:He then did something we thought hardly possible at the time...right hand..left hook and bang Tyson's legs went and Tyson staggered to the ropes.....a superb opportunity beckoned and was then missed to do the impossible because he didn't believe and held on.....

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I actually remembered it differently and had to watch it again to make sure but at no point was there an opportunity to stop Tyson. Tyson was staggered but he fought right back and tied up Bruno to buy some recovery time. I remember Harry Carpenter's usual unproffessional commentary where he flaps like an excited schoolgirl after seeing Tyson wobbled but remember thinking afterwards that it was a big big fuss over next to nothing.

I think Tyson gets a bad wrap for his chin by some on here but I thought he had a decent chin and proved it in that fight.

Theres much to question about Tyson, his dedication, his bottle and his weakness to a stiff Jab, his inability to maintain his defensive skills in later rounds, his overall daftness and his temperament, but I can't remember anyone questioning his chin on here. He was beaten senseless by Douglas who had a fair dig and took serious punishment against Lewis, Ruddock, Holyfield and for the most part took the punches well.

i think that bruno punch has been blown out of proportion to be frank (awful pun intended).

it was one punch. the man was destroyed by tyson.

ShahenshahG wrote:

Super D Boon wrote:He then did something we thought hardly possible at the time...right hand..left hook and bang Tyson's legs went and Tyson staggered to the ropes.....a superb opportunity beckoned and was then missed to do the impossible because he didn't believe and held on.....

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I actually remembered it differently and had to watch it again to make sure but at no point was there an opportunity to stop Tyson. Tyson was staggered but he fought right back and tied up Bruno to buy some recovery time. I remember Harry Carpenter's usual unproffessional commentary where he flaps like an excited schoolgirl after seeing Tyson wobbled but remember thinking afterwards that it was a big big fuss over next to nothing.

I think Tyson gets a bad wrap for his chin by some on here but I thought he had a decent chin and proved it in that fight.

Theres much to question about Tyson, his dedication, his bottle and his weakness to a stiff Jab, his inability to maintain his defensive skills in later rounds, his overall daftness and his temperament, but I can't remember anyone questioning his chin on here. He was beaten senseless by Douglas who had a fair dig and took serious punishment against Lewis, Ruddock, Holyfield and for the most part took the punches well.

Believe it or not his chin is questioned on here, off the top of my head the ubiquitous Coxy thinks his chin was crud, mind you he also doesn't rate RJJ at all! - strange guy. Anyway, agree about Douglas and Lewis. Tyson took some sickening shots against Lewis but still came back for more.

As for the earlier poster I think that one round had Britain on it's feet yes agree with that, because remember it at the time. The news was pathetically biased so much so you'd think that Bruno had won the fight when all they were doing was wetting themselves because he had Tyson wobbled yet Bruno still got caned at the end of the day.

Tyson's chin is questioned on here, but I do think that's unfair. Did he ever go down in a winning performance? (No.) When he did go down it wasn't from nothing punches. Not the greatest chin, but by far not the worst.

Coxy was probably trying to rile you - he is rather temperamental. He can't believe either of those things because he comes up with some good analysis/ on other fighters.

Coxy was probably trying to rile you
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Nah not really, he has a glass chin when it comes to discussing Tyson and Rjj.

ShahenshahG wrote:Coxy was probably trying to rile you - he is rather temperamental. He can't believe either of those things because he comes up with some good analysis/ on other fighters.

Getting a bit kinky over here...

AlexHuckerby wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:Coxy was probably trying to rile you - he is rather temperamental. He can't believe either of those things because he comes up with some good analysis/ on other fighters.

Getting a bit kinky over here...

Lost me there.

Was Tyson really that hurt though? don't think he would have gone over ,bell or no bell, as he could absorb a lot of punishment, Lewis fight case in point. Having heard of the moment many times before seeing it I was a tad disappointed(the days before Youtube,believe it or not). however, good one Frank, he has his moment in the sun, the first guy to wobble Tyson.

A lot of you are looking at it from a present day perspective...

I'm looking at it as a relative kid at the time..

All the hype of a Tyson fight..the atmosphere...his impregnability at the time.....Undisputed heavyweight championship etc.

That round had an awful lot of excitement..Bruno was dead and buried....got a point knocked off and then had Tyson in trouble...

It was a remarkable three minutes that I'll never forget..

Probably different if you knew the result........ but live...

Maybe that is why it lost it's glow a bit....you knew the incredible...wasn't going to happen.

alma wrote:Yes Truss but we didn't get to watch it live! We had to wait for the highlights on BBC!

Thats wrong it was aired live on ITV

How would BBC and Itv agree on a deal like that????

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:A lot of you are looking at it from a present day perspective...

I'm looking at it as a relative kid at the time..

All the hype of a Tyson fight..the atmosphere...his impregnability at the time.....Undisputed heavyweight championship etc.

That round had an awful lot of excitement..Bruno was dead and buried....got a point knocked off and then had Tyson in trouble...

It was a remarkable three minutes that I'll never forget..

Probably different if you knew the result........ but live...

I remember it very well too and watched it live and remember myslef shouting BRUNO BRUNO BRUNO!!!!! very excitedly mainly because that clut Harry Carpenter started screaming like a woman and going all wet in the middle! The BBC also made a huge fuss after the fight with heroic Frank being hailed just because of a punch, and the picture on their news item was of Frank battering Tyson never mind the fact he got splattered in five rounds! Anyway when the ludicrious excitement of it all subsided I was left thinking - big deal!

might have been exciting but exciting doesnt make it a great

It depends on the persons criteria doesn't it....

I think it's one of the greats.....end of..