India vs West Indies, First Test Debate

by msp83 Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:20 pm

First topic message reminder :

The first of 3 test between India and the West Indies is beginning tomorrow, in Delhi.
For India, its the opportunity to recover from the humiliation of the disaster of the England tour, and get all their malfunctioning parts back to order. It also is an opportunity to introduce new players to test cricket. R Ashwin is surely set to debut in this format, and one of Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron also should make his debut.
The number 6 position should see a close contest between Yuvraj Singh, Virat Kohli and Ajinkya Rahane. As of now, Yuvraj seems to be the favorit.
The West Indies should try to put up a good fight. In the series back home, they were able to do just that, and their pace bowling unit led by Fidel Edwards and Ravi Rampaul, with able support from young Devendra Bishoo asked stern questions of the Indian batting lineup. India is playing a stronger lineup though, with Sehwag, Gambhir, and Tendulkar back in there. But among the 3, only Gautam Gambhir has got any serious match practice underhis belt, and the WI bowlers should maintain pressure on the batting right away.
The key question for the WI is whether they'll play Rampaul or young Roach, as the balance of the side, and presence of Daren Sammy in the lineup as one of the 4 bowlers do not allow pleying them both.
Its winter time in Delhi, and therefore some late starts and early finish can be expected. Overnight dew should offer some early life in the pitch as well.
Hopes there will be some quality cricket.

by anu_d Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:47 am

cricketfan90 wrote:especially with the ever dangerous sammy bowling

sammy is also scoring runs from the #8 position like bresnan

by Mad for Chelsea Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:53 am

anu_d wrote:
cricketfan90 wrote:especially with the ever dangerous sammy bowling

sammy is also scoring runs from the #8 position like bresnan

I hope this was a joke right?
Sammy: 1 fifty from 30 innings
Bresnan: 3 fifties from 8 innings (incl. two scores of 90 or more)
considering Sammy has played on much flatter pitches Wink

there's no contest is there?

by skyeman Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:22 am

Tendulkar just scored his 15,000th Test run - Phenomenal Yahoo

by Mad for Chelsea Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:24 am

Well done Tendulkar, but WI not helped by some poor umpiring here. First Tendulkar survives an LBW shout when it looked like the ball was hitting leg stump, and then Dravid seems to be extraordinarily run out, not grounding his bat or his feet as a throw from mid-wicket hits the stumps, but somehow the third umpire doesn't give it?!?!

by skyeman Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:29 am

There has been 2 or 3 wrong decisions in this match by the umpires (Chanderpaul, Sharma, Tendulka), DRS badly missed. (By most) Rolling Eyes

by rich1uk Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:30 am

yeah we never got to see a replay really of that lbw shout because of him going to 15,000 runs the very next ball but it looked close

by Mad for Chelsea Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:33 am

and another very good looking LBW shout from Bishoo turned down there, googly from outside off, looked to be turning back onto the off stump for me. End of the day, and India are well on top, WI need a couple of quick wickets tomorrow to get back into it.

by **Fists of Fury** Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:33 am

Regardless of whether he should have been out, congratulations Sachin, a magical statistic.

by jro786 Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:46 am

india are on course to win

chasing 276 to win in 2 days

w/i 180 all out today

by anu_d Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:05 pm

India looking steady and having the upper hand now....as they had on D1 and better part of D2
BUT nothing can be taken for granted.......we have seen innumerable times how one goes and a procession follows with the remainder falling in a heap.

Take it run by run......in blocks of 10 runs...and let this pair see us throuhg

by anu_d Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:10 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Well done Tendulkar, but WI not helped by some poor umpiring here. !

good to see some luck going India's way finally.

If India had even 50% of the dubious 3rd umpiring /DRS decisons their way in England...that series might have taken a diffrent picture..

by ShankyCricket Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:11 pm

anu_d wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:Well done Tendulkar, but WI not helped by some poor umpiring here. !

good to see some luck going India's way finally.

If India had even 50% of the dubious 3rd umpiring /DRS decisons their way in England...that series might have taken a diffrent picture..

:facepalm:

by Hoggy_Bear Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:18 pm

Anu's funny isn't he Very Happy

by anu_d Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:24 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:
anu_d wrote:
cricketfan90 wrote:especially with the ever dangerous sammy bowling

sammy is also scoring runs from the #8 position like bresnan

I hope this was a joke right?
Sammy: 1 fifty from 30 innings
Bresnan: 3 fifties from 8 innings (incl. two scores of 90 or more)
considering Sammy has played on much flatter pitches there's no contest is there?

yes bresnan is a better batsman than Sammy...unambigously agreed.

that's why he perhaps plays in the English team ahead of much, much more capable bowlers like Finn ( who has the potential to be another Steyn or Bond)...and Tremlett, who will also be more potent on flatter pitches.

by anu_d Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:25 pm

Hoggy_Bear wrote:Anu's funny isn't he

it is also funny that ICC has dropped all sorts of DRS tools such as hot-spot and tracking away from it's menu Smile

by jro786 Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:45 pm

anu_d wrote:India looking steady and having the upper hand now....as they had on D1 and better part of D2
BUT nothing can be taken for granted.......we have seen innumerable times how one goes and a procession follows with the remainder falling in a heap.

Take it run by run......in blocks of 10 runs...and let this pair see us throuhg

that's why i said india is on course, anything can happen

by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:23 pm

Hoggy_Bear wrote:Anu's funny isn't he

no he thinks he's funny Wink

by ShankyCricket Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:26 pm

She not he.
Her name is Anuradha

by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:56 pm

how did u know that mate?

by ShankyCricket Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:06 pm

I know her from BBC 606.

by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:08 pm

ah right fair enough

by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:20 pm

with Ashwin and Ojha both getting 6 wickets in an innings in this match, i dont Harbajhan will be going to australia, and to be honest, i think Harbajhan is done at international level

by Demon Racer Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:55 pm

If India win this Test, I think the writing is on the walls for the West Indies and they will most likely get whitewashed. Delhi has been pretty slow and low, and they still couldn't handle Ashwin and Ojha. In the recent ODI series with England, Mumbai and Eden Gardens where square turners. Which would make Ashwin and Ojha even more of a handful.

by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:47 pm

appears that Zahher khan's time is up on the international stage. He gets injured every 5 minutes and india has some genuine quicks coming through

by skyeman Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:57 pm

cricketfan90 wrote:appears that Zahher khan's time is up on the international stage. He gets injured every 5 minutes and india has some genuine quicks coming through

He will still be going to Aus, but his injuries might be making him think of putting up his boots soon.

by Guest Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:08 pm

he shouldnt go to australia.

He came to england and lasted a few overs. IMO he is finished.

by Corporalhumblebucket Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:37 pm

Excellent test match - but we're missing the facepalm after the Windies batting..... Very Happy

by guildfordbat Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:51 pm

Just wondering if the Dodger might be batting at the end ....

by anu_d Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:33 am

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:I know her from BBC 606.

I thought that was also obvious from my profile

by anu_d Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:04 am

well almost there now 250-4......all is well in the end. thumbsup

The demons in the pitch died the moment Indians applied themselves .

The silver-lining is that the entire middle order got a good work-out Very Happy

some match practise in real conditions to work themselves up for Australia......
ghosts of Bhajji are buried and his replacement for the Aus series firmed...
Sehwag is rolling...
the achilles for India on the Eng tour...opening partnership......is also looking threatening.
the contenst for the 3rd seamers slot for the Aussie series begins

and off-course a test match about to be won......with little chance of WI coming back from here.....and I don't mean in the test, but the entire series

AND BCCI gets away with throwing half the side into a real test match with zero First class practise Sad

Tendulkar missed 2nd time in a row his super 100

by activereactive Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:55 am

WI should have won this game.
Rolling Eyes

How stupid of them to lose a game with 95 runs lead Rolling Eyes

by Guest Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:57 am

anu_d wrote:
shankythebiggestengfan wrote:I know her from BBC 606.

I thought that was also obvious from my profile

sorry anu, i dont look at many profiles thumbsup

by skyeman Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:01 am

I posted at the start of this match that the WI needed 3 or 4 batsmen to get decent scores, instead of 1 or 2, as is the norm with this recent WI team. The bowling is on the right tracks, but the batting always looks fragile. More consistency needed.

by activereactive Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:11 am

Sarvan would have been a good partenr to Chanderpaul.

by anu_d Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:34 am

Darren Sammy yet again staked him claim as a genuine allrounder in contemporary cricket.....much underrated and unheralded......he has quitely gone about picking wkts at a rate and average that would be acceptable from a 3rd seamer.

and producing bonus runs from #8 position

by ShankyCricket Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:37 am

anu_d wrote:Darren Sammy yet again staked him claim as a genuine allrounder in contemporary cricket.....much underrated and unheralded......he has quitely gone about picking wkts at a rate and average that would be acceptable from a 3rd seamer.

and producing bonus runs from #8 position

by msp83 Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:49 pm

My internet connection went for a toss the day before, and it took me a good 2 days to get it back on track. In the meanwhile, India has registered a come from behind win in the first test match of the series.
Good results in the end. Sehwag got runs in both innings, and Dravid continues to fight it out for India. Sachin Tendulkar and India's official crisis man VVS Laxman stood up during a dificult 4th innings chase.
Ravichandran Ashwin has had a fine time during his much anticipated debut test match. Ashwin took 9 in the match, anyone remember how long it took Harbhajan Singh to take his last 9 test wickets? Pragyan Ojha has also made a fine comeback to the national side. Ishant Sharma continues to do well in patches, and continues to miss Zaheer Khan. Umesh Yadav showed enough promiss to continue the investment.
But the result doesn't take away all concerns. The BCCI again didnt bother much with some warm up FC cricket, particularly for the test specialists and those who were returning from injury. The Irani Trophy would have been a good opening.
The questionmark on the number 6 position continues. Yuvraj Singh got his chance, and did nothing particularly impressive. Gautam Gambhir continues to throw away starts, although this time around it has to be said, luck wasn't quite with him, getting runout in the most terrible way in the first innings, and given out LBW when the ball was going down the leg. MS Dhoni had a fine match behind the stumps, but the captain needs to step up with the bat. The first innings collapse was a stark reminder of the disasters of England.
Anyways, they at least rediscovered the way to fight back from a corner, something they did often during their time at the top of the test rankings. Hoping for an even better show during the rest of the series.

by msp83 Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:54 pm

Sammy's bowling numbers, looked in isolation, might look decent. But the fact of the matter is that because his batting is so abject for an all-rounder, he has to be in there as a bowler who can slog a bit. But there are much better bowlers in the West Indies. For a start there is Jerome Taylor, who like Chris Gayle and Shivnarine Chanderpaul, has been mistreated by the good for nothing WICB. Then there is Kemar Roach who has to sit out as the team has to accomodate Sammy as one of the 4 bowlers.
Andre Russell, given a propper run, has the potential to develop in to a real all-rounder. He bowls real fast, and after Chris Gayle, I haven't seen any other batsman hitting the ball as clean as he does. Not suggesting he's in the same league as yet.
Comparing Bresnan and Sammy? For god's sake please, Bresnan can bat you know, and he's no slouch with the ball either. At present he is better with the ball than Sammy is, and comparing their batting skills, one has to be a lunatic.

by anu_d Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:59 pm

msp83 wrote:My internet connection went for a toss the day before, and it took me a good 2 days to get it back on track. In the meanwhile, India has registered a come from behind win in the first test match of the series.
Good results in the end. Sehwag got runs in both innings, and Dravid continues to fight it out for India. Sachin Tendulkar and India's official crisis man VVS Laxman stood up during a dificult 4th innings chase.
Ravichandran Ashwin has had a fine time during his much anticipated debut test match. Ashwin took 9 in the match, anyone remember how long it took Harbhajan Singh to take his last 9 test wickets? Pragyan Ojha has also made a fine comeback to the national side. Ishant Sharma continues to do well in patches, and continues to miss Zaheer Khan. Umesh Yadav showed enough promiss to continue the investment.
But the result doesn't take away all concerns. The BCCI again didnt bother much with some warm up FC cricket, particularly for the test specialists and those who were returning from injury. The Irani Trophy would have been a good opening.
The questionmark on the number 6 position continues. Yuvraj Singh got his chance, and did nothing particularly impressive. Gautam Gambhir continues to throw away starts, although this time around it has to be said, luck wasn't quite with him, getting runout in the most terrible way in the first innings, and given out LBW when the ball was going down the leg. MS Dhoni had a fine match behind the stumps, but the captain needs to step up with the bat. The first innings collapse was a stark reminder of the disasters of England.
Anyways, they at least rediscovered the way to fight back from a corner, something they did often during their time at the top of the test rankings. Hoping for an even better show during the rest of the series.

good crisp summary
CI needs writer like you instead of hyperbole-ic sharda types

by anu_d Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:06 pm

msp83 wrote:Sammy's bowling numbers, looked in isolation, might look decent. But the fact of the matter is that because his batting is so abject for an all-rounder, he has to be in there as a bowler who can slog a bit.

===>>a couple of other guys going under the title are "bowling allrounders" are also only "looking decent " until they do some test drives on the shiekh Zayad Road from dubai to Abu Dhabi
My comment was to only put all of them in the same persepctive.

But there are much better bowlers in the West Indies. For a start there is Jerome Taylor, who like Chris Gayle and Shivnarine Chanderpaul, has been mistreated by the good for nothing WICB. Then there is Kemar Roach who has to sit out as the team has to accomodate Sammy as one of the 4 bowlers.
Andre Russell, given a propper run, has the potential to develop in to a real all-rounder. He bowls real fast, and after Chris Gayle, I haven't seen any other batsman hitting the ball as clean as he does. Not suggesting he's in the same league as yet.

==>>Ture Taylor is class...and can bat too....he has a test match 90 or a 100!
and Andre Russel promised a lot in the ODIs against India
and Dwayne Bravo is a sepcialist batsman and no worse a bowler than Sammy
all that is true
But you've gotta judge Sammy on what he has delivered so far....and not on potentially what might be type ifs and buts.

Comparing Bresnan and Sammy? For god's sake please, Bresnan can bat you know, and he's no slouch with the ball either. At present he is better with the ball than Sammy is, and comparing their batting skills, one has to be a lunatic.

==>>Bresnan, Broad are in the same boat as Sammy....keeping much better Finn out.
My thoughts on sammy and alike pretend allrounders are amply expressed.

Lunatic?....OK...we shall discuss after the test are run on the roads of Abu Dhabi and Dubai

by msp83 Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:29 pm

Anu.
I was talking about Sammy the batter. For heven's sake, he can't bat!. He is a slogger, and someone like the India discard Harbhajan Singh, is much better at. Bresnan is a propper bowling all-rounder. He can bat. He showed that against quality opposition.
My point on Sammy and others who are not picked is that the former is being picked despite the presence of better players, and the reason for the same is political and not cricketing.
And Boy!, didn't they miss Chris G? We all know his being kept out is becaus of political reasons. But there is a perseption among some us on his attitude to test cricket. for them, here is an interesting stat. Gayle averaged over 58 scoring over 1500 runs in cluding 6 hundreds against quality oppositions, in the last 2 years.

by jro786 Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:15 pm

msp83 wrote:Anu.
I was talking about Sammy the batter. For heven's sake, he can't bat!. He is a slogger, and someone like the India discard Harbhajan Singh, is much better at. Bresnan is a propper bowling all-rounder. He can bat. He showed that against quality opposition.
My point on Sammy and others who are not picked is that the former is being picked despite the presence of better players, and the reason for the same is political and not cricketing.
And Boy!, didn't they miss Chris G? We all know his being kept out is becaus of political reasons. But there is a perseption among some us on his attitude to test cricket. for them, here is an interesting stat. Gayle averaged over 58 scoring over 1500 runs in cluding 6 hundreds against quality oppositions, in the last 2 years.

i think gayle, dwayne bravo and pollard was not included in the squad cause of ipl commitments

by msp83 Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:00 pm

IPL will be played after 6 months from now on!.
Gayle was originally not part of the RCB side for the last IPL, it was only when he was cast aside and left unwanted by the stupid WICB that an IPL opportunity came as a lifeline, that too as a replacement for an injured player.

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