Pacquiao vs Marquez - Primetime Interactive Thread

by **Fists of Fury** Wed 09 Nov 2011, 12:02 pm

Just setting this one up in readiness for the topic that Buncey puts forward for discussion.

Following it's success during the Mayweather Ortiz fight card, Primetime will be going interactive in the studio again with a few boxing forums, one of which is ourselves.

By that, they mean Steve Bunce, along with studio guest Steve Collins, will be reading out selected posts from members of those forums taking part.

Presumably Buncey will put up a question for debate ahead of the fight like he did last time out, and will then discuss some of the responses that people give during the live studio airing.

So, keep an eye out for the topic for debate which I will add to this thread once we receive it, and put forward some good responses and you may just get a mention. (About 5 of our guys were mentioned last time out).

This is another good opportunity for 606v2 to get our name out there and possibly attract new members, whilst showing off just how knowledgeable we all are at the same time

Are many of you guys going to be up watching the fight live? I will be, and I'd imagine our competition winners Balti and Chris will be, so it'd be good to have a few others online during the card for some discussion to keep us entertained/awake!.

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Thanks

by coxy0001 Wed 09 Nov 2011, 12:14 pm

Haven't we got a thread already for this fists?

Tut tut

by Adam D Wed 09 Nov 2011, 12:16 pm

If you recall Coxy, Buncey asked a boxing question for discussion during the last fight which was unconnected to the actual Mayweather fight.

As opposed to having to derail the actual fight thread, Fists has set up this thread to discuss the topic on, making it easier for Buncey to find.

by **Fists of Fury** Wed 09 Nov 2011, 12:26 pm

This, as Adam rightly says, is specifically for the Buncey question and the ensuing discussion related to that.

Once I receive the question, I'll add it to the OP.

by Primetime Sat 12 Nov 2011, 11:06 am

Get your thinking caps on and give us your top 5 p4p fighters of all time

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 11:10 am

Primetime wrote:Get your thinking caps on and give us your top 5 p4p fighters of all time

1. Sugar Ray Robinson

2. Henry Armstrong

3. Eder Jofre

4/5 Muhammad Ali / Harry Greb ( tie )

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 11:14 am

Robinson
Ali
Armstrong
Duran
Louis/Greb - on any given day.

by **88Chris05** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 11:15 am

Primetime wrote:Get your thinking caps on and give us your top 5 p4p fighters of all time

1a Ray Robinson
1b Henry Armstrong (can't split them)
3 Harry Greb
4 Ezzard Charles
5 Muhammad Ali

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 11:16 am

HumanWindmill wrote:
Primetime wrote:Get your thinking caps on and give us your top 5 p4p fighters of all time

1. Sugar Ray Robinson

2. Henry Armstrong

3. Eder Jofre

4/5 Muhammad Ali / Harry Greb ( tie )

Windy! You missed out DURAN! You woman of questionable repute!

by 6oldenbhoy Sat 12 Nov 2011, 11:17 am

1) Robinson
2) Greb
3) Armstrong
4) Charles
5) Ali

by Jimmythebullet Sat 12 Nov 2011, 11:30 am

Robinson
Armstrong
Ali
Leonard
Duran

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 11:38 am

ShahenshahG wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
Primetime wrote:Get your thinking caps on and give us your top 5 p4p fighters of all time

1. Sugar Ray Robinson

2. Henry Armstrong

3. Eder Jofre

4/5 Muhammad Ali / Harry Greb ( tie )

Windy! You missed out DURAN! You woman of questionable repute!

And you missed JOFRE! You Luton supporter of even more questionable repute.

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 11:50 am

HumanWindmill wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:
HumanWindmill wrote:
Primetime wrote:Get your thinking caps on and give us your top 5 p4p fighters of all time

1. Sugar Ray Robinson

2. Henry Armstrong

3. Eder Jofre

4/5 Muhammad Ali / Harry Greb ( tie )

Windy! You missed out DURAN! You woman of questionable repute!

And you missed JOFRE! You Luton supporter of even more questionable repute.

I never claimed to be otherwise raspberry

Is Jimmy the bullet sleeping with the fishes? He left out Greb - even more of a glaring omission than Duran!

There is a rule for boxing - No brazilians! Too much success in football, they've got Pele - so they need to stop being greedy.

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 11:59 am

Pele could get into the Luton Town team today.

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 12:09 pm

To be honest so could Dame Edna Everage! Sir Patrick Moore and Diana Ross!

by Strongback Sat 12 Nov 2011, 12:09 pm

Sugar Ray Robinson
Joe Gans
Harry Greb
Sam Langford
Henry Armstrong

by **Fists of Fury** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 12:14 pm

1) Ray Robinson
2) Harry Greb
3) Henry Armstrong
4) Eder Jofre
5) Muhammad Ali

by **Fists of Fury** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 12:14 pm

My mind changes on the order between 2 and 4 on a regular basis, however. Not much to split Greb, Armstrong and Jofre.

by The Galveston Giant Sat 12 Nov 2011, 2:16 pm

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Muhammed Ali
5. Ezzard Charles

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:04 pm

My wife gave birth to a baby girl on Thursday windy, the little bundle of unending noise is sleeping next to me and the baby is sleeping next to her.

by **Fists of Fury** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:06 pm

congratulations, shah!

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:06 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:My wife gave birth to a baby girl on Thursday windy, the little bundle of unending noise is sleeping next to me and the baby is sleeping next to her.

Hearty congratulations to you both, Sir!

by AlexHuckerby Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:09 pm

1. sugar ray robinson
2. henry armstrong
3. harry greb
4. muhammad ali
5. willie pep

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:11 pm

Thanks gents.

by **Fists of Fury** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:27 pm

Ok fellas, tidied this thread up a bit.

Given that Buncey will be discussing the top 5 p4p of all time later on during tonights event, let's get our lists in and hope we get a shout out or two Smile

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:30 pm

Windy. Luton have been knocked out of the FA cup. Get your laughter out of the way so you wont be winded when the big fights start.

by **HumanWindmill** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:37 pm

I'm very sorry to hear that, Shah.

by AlexHuckerby Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:39 pm

just something to possibly debate in the studio for buncey: is it nearly impossible for modern fighters to become top 5 p4p all time greats with them not fighting as much nowadays? example being looking at someone like manny pacqiaou and all he has achieved and many dont even see him as a top 20 candidate.

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:41 pm

HumanWindmill wrote:I'm very sorry to hear that, Shah.

The empty packet of gobstoppers in your hand doesn't convince me that the lump in your cheek is anything but your tongue.

by AlexHuckerby Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:43 pm

fer crying out loud who cares about the fa cup?

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:44 pm

About 1/3 of the nation!

Anyway last offtopic post by me - did you get your job.

by **Fists of Fury** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:51 pm

AlexHuckerby wrote:just something to possibly debate in the studio for buncey: is it nearly impossible for modern fighters to become top 5 p4p all time greats with them not fighting as much nowadays? example being looking at someone like manny pacqiaou and all he has achieved and many dont even see him as a top 20 candidate.

My own take on that would be that we do tend to look more kindly at fighters once their career has ended and the dust has had chance to settle.

I imagine in 10 years time we will most likely be talking about Floyd Mayweather Jr and Manny Pacquiao as top 15-20 pound for pound all time greats.

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:58 pm

Fists of Fury wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:just something to possibly debate in the studio for buncey: is it nearly impossible for modern fighters to become top 5 p4p all time greats with them not fighting as much nowadays? example being looking at someone like manny pacqiaou and all he has achieved and many dont even see him as a top 20 candidate.

My own take on that would be that we do tend to look more kindly at fighters once their career has ended and the dust has had chance to settle.

I imagine in 10 years time we will most likely be talking about Floyd Mayweather Jr and Manny Pacquiao as top 15-20 pound for pound all time greats.

Fair point. But the top 5 even top 10 is rich with talent who PROVED it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Here its a little different as mentioned by alex - less fights, shorter rounds etc and a bit more guff - even though there is more time to prepare. This lot are being robbed because of either inability or unwillingness to get the big fights they should. I think the relative openness with which conditions are applied to fighters regarding weight will also count against them - but then again it hasn't hurt Leonard much.

The onus is on the fighters to make sacrifices and get those matches up or else they will struggle to ever make it to the top of the p4p.

by AlexHuckerby Sat 12 Nov 2011, 5:59 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:About 1/3 of the nation!

Anyway last offtopic post by me - did you get your job.

got a call back for wednesday, so gotta keep on going, ugh... thanks for asking, mate.

by AlexHuckerby Sat 12 Nov 2011, 6:05 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:
Fists of Fury wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:just something to possibly debate in the studio for buncey: is it nearly impossible for modern fighters to become top 5 p4p all time greats with them not fighting as much nowadays? example being looking at someone like manny pacqiaou and all he has achieved and many dont even see him as a top 20 candidate.

My own take on that would be that we do tend to look more kindly at fighters once their career has ended and the dust has had chance to settle.

I imagine in 10 years time we will most likely be talking about Floyd Mayweather Jr and Manny Pacquiao as top 15-20 pound for pound all time greats.

Fair point. But the top 5 even top 10 is rich with talent who PROVED it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Here its a little different as mentioned by alex - less fights, shorter rounds etc and a bit more guff - even though there is more time to prepare. This lot are being robbed because of either inability or unwillingness to get the big fights they should. I think the relative openness with which conditions are applied to fighters regarding weight will also count against them - but then again it hasn't hurt Leonard much.

The onus is on the fighters to make sacrifices and get those matches up or else they will struggle to ever make it to the top of the p4p.

yeah the major problem for that is there isnt enough other fighters willing to take on the guys close around the fighters that are willing to fight the best and that isnt really said willing fighters fault.

by Nico the gman Sat 12 Nov 2011, 6:34 pm

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Harry Greb
3.Henry Armstrong
4.Ezzard Charles
5.Ali
Very hard to choose between Ali and Louis nothing in it for me, wouldn't have minded 6 but then we can go on and on.

by Adam D Sun 13 Nov 2011, 8:53 am

did we get any mentions?

by sherm Sun 13 Nov 2011, 9:03 am

I got the site mentioned on talksport this morning

by **ShahenshahG** Sun 13 Nov 2011, 9:14 am

Good call on the Marquez fight sherm.

by sherm Sun 13 Nov 2011, 9:27 am

thanks nearly got it, disgusting decision

by **ShahenshahG** Sun 13 Nov 2011, 9:31 am

I know - i've been envisioning punching arum and those judges in the face for hours.

by BALTIMORA Sun 13 Nov 2011, 9:33 am

Join the club. Still, at almost 80 he can't have long left.

by captain carrantuohil Sun 13 Nov 2011, 9:38 am

1) Robinson 2) Armstrong 3) Jofre 4) Greb 5=) Ali & Charles.

by **ShahenshahG** Sun 13 Nov 2011, 9:40 am

BALTIMORA wrote:Join the club. Still, at almost 80 he can't have long left.

Don't untempt fate

by BALTIMORA Sun 13 Nov 2011, 9:43 am

You reckon he can buy THAT judgement too?

by **ShahenshahG** Sun 13 Nov 2011, 9:54 am

BALTIMORA wrote:You reckon he can buy THAT judgement too?

Na - death doesn't like competition - only he is allowed to suck out souls.

by BALTIMORA Sun 13 Nov 2011, 9:57 am

Better tell that to Bob. He's certainly not done much to build my faith in the city folk Jew lawyer types...

by **ShahenshahG** Sun 13 Nov 2011, 10:04 am

Corporate peoplle should be kept out of sport - or heavily regulated if they want to take part.

by BALTIMORA Sun 13 Nov 2011, 10:12 am

Couldn't agree more. I know it's a business and the participants need to make a living but the money men involved are choking the life out of it. They only see what they perceive to be big business, rather than letting the results run their course.

by Adam D Sun 13 Nov 2011, 10:20 am

So do tyou think that someone like Riddick Bowe should be allowed to negotiate for himself?

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