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by FIFA Diva Thu 08 Dec 2011, 9:46 am

Morning

The most dissapointed thing about last night was our fans, since the defeat till this moment Nick is the only person who has talked sense. I was furious at some of the so called fans bar stewards. Sell Vidic, sell Young, Rooney was crap, release Nani blah blah blah, bring in Gotze, buy Martinez it's real life people don't understand. Hopefully in a few years our team is

De Gea
Rafael Smalling Jones Fabio
Nani Cleverly ????? Young
Rooney Chicharito

I would much rather us go without a trophy for a few years so we can bring in these players and the ones Nick mentioned rather then do a fast track win few cups and then compleltely crash out for the next 30 years. Sir Alex is planning the blue print, so after he retires the club move on smoothly a mistake made by the great Sir Matt Bubsy.

About the game, I was dissapointed but we were poor throughout the campaign and did not deserve to go through, I congratulate Basle well done guys. I was not impressed by Evra at all I think it's been a year now that he has been playing bad not Evra level bad but midtable team left back bad.

by cherriesfna Thu 08 Dec 2011, 9:58 am

look at the CB poll didnt realise how highly rated king was

and how does everyone rated richard dunne

and sven bender and doumbia are my main targets

by Fan Gilhaus Thu 08 Dec 2011, 9:59 am

Best league in the World Laugh

Manchester Utd Laugh

Manchester City Laugh

by **ADMIN** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:00 am

nick_fury wrote:
The only positive from last night is that hopefully Fergie realises that the team he has is not what he thought it was and the Glaziers might have to scrape some more pennies out.
Bit harsh considering start of the season everyone was raving about Uniteds team.
We havent had luck with injuries and being able to keep a team together. Start of season was fine, team was staring to bed. Saying that some of these so called top player have not preformed. Roy Keane's comments hit the nail on the head.

It's hardly harsh.
Fergie said after the 2nd beating by Barca that there was a gap and he was going to look to close it.
How has this been done? By becoming the first club to have gone from being in a final to getting knocked out in the group stage.
Which quality midfielders have we rushed out to buy?

Phil McNulty has it bang on:

In the aftermath of another chasing from Barcelona, coupled with Paul Scholes's retirement, one glaring problem needed to be addressed. United lacked the highest quality in central midfield, and yet Ferguson allowed it to go untouched.

Samir Nasri was coveted but United were muscled aside by Manchester City's finance, while Old Trafford officials insisted there was never any serious interest in Inter Milan's Wesley Sneijder.

With Luka Modric tied to Tottenham, Ferguson made do and mended. Phil Jones was used in central midfield and, in a desperate sticking plaster moment, Wayne Rooney was also used. The latter was almost an admission of defeat.

The lack of a player of that calibre - and it has been mentioned many times before Wednesday's exit - has cost United dearly. Ferguson insisted he could not find value in the market, but such an acquisition may have helped United enjoy the riches of the later stages of the Champions League once more.

United are further away from Barcelona today than they were in May, while Jose Mourinho is again working ominously at Real Madrid. Ferguson must now find his midfield master, having always insisted he has the finance to do expensive deals despite the suspicions some United fans have towards the club's owners, the Glazers.

Flaws were in evidence even during an early rampage this season and the failings have been picked at in Europe and the consequences have been dire.

There will be a real hangover around Manchester on Thursday, but the thickest heads will be at Old Trafford because they will not have seen this one coming. Indeed Ferguson, it should be recalled, laughed in the face of a suggestion United were "struggling" in the Champions League after they drew with Benfica at Old Trafford.

Ferguson has now had two almighty shocks this season, the 6-1 home defeat by Manchester City and the notion of seeing his Thursday evenings disturbed by the Europa League.

Before the home game against Basel in September, Ferguson claimed the Champions League was the best competition in the world, ahead of the World Cup and European Championships. No-one explored his thoughts on the Europa League as he has never needed to have any.

If United are seeking a shaft of light in the gloom, it is that Ferguson has proved to be the master of regeneration before - but the scale of disappointment, maybe even shock, at what happened in Basel should not be underestimated.

He has the core of a strong team. Phil Jones will be an outstanding player in the future for United and while David de Gea was again fallible in Basel, he is a young keeper learning on the job and sound judges insist he will come good.

United also have young talent coming through in the shape of Tom Cleverley, Chris Smalling and Danny Welbeck to add to Jones and De Gea, with goals guaranteed for the future from Javier Hernandez, who was sorely missed on Wednesday night.

Wayne Rooney remains United's key figure despite being out of sorts in Basel - but it is that figure of midfield authority that Ferguson must uncover, a powerful force in the mould of Paul Scholes or Roy Keane. Not an easy task, but until Ferguson completes it, this United side may be forever destined to fall short.

And Ferguson is also at his most dangerous when his back is against the wall, although he sounded as low and subdued as he ever has as he sifted through the damage inflicted on United's reputation in Switzerland.

Thursday nights will be busy in Manchester in 2012.

by Fan Gilhaus Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:10 am

I will not be taking up the £10.0m future fee for Zanka Jorgensen, as he is not involved for the final match of the season I have now released him from his loan spell at Anfield.

by nick_fury Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:11 am

Viva, I had the most negative Man United fan round mine watching it, hes a mate of my house mates, I went off to my room at watched it as all he did was chat Poopie. Example "Vidic is Poopie, get him off" so Vidic is injured on comes Evans, "Ohh Flip Evans, hes Poopie get him off". Hes one of these that will sit there but not watch, just chat Poopie and probably only properly watch about 30 of the 90 minutes.

Roy Keane hit the nail on the head: "This is a reality check for these so-called brilliant English teams and people who think this is the best league in the world"

Ive said before I dont feel the Prem is the best League any more.

Look at the CL teams expected to go through but didnt: Man United, City, Porto, Shakhtar, Valencia, Lille, Borussia Dortmund - all good teams, there is four domestic champions in that list.

Teams that people said would not qualify that have: Napoli, CSKA, Basel, APOEL, Bayer Leverkusen.

Ajax and Villarreal are still good teams who didnt qualify but I dont think they were expected too.

Group H was the only group that went how expected:
FC Barcelona
AC Milan
FC Viktoria Plzeň
FC BATE Borisov

If anyone say they predicted any of the other groups exactly how they finished i'll slap them till the sun dont shine.

On another note, Suarez could be banned for the whole of January. lolol.

by nick_fury Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:20 am

Hero I say is a bit harsh as look at how people were talking about Man United at the start of the season. We have never looked better was being echoed throughout the media and pundits.

United are further away from Barcelona today than they were in May, while Jose Mourinho is again working ominously at Real Madrid. Ferguson must now find his midfield master, having always insisted he has the finance to do expensive deals despite the suspicions some United fans have towards the club's owners, the Glazers.

- Manchester United are not run like Barca & Real. We are the Worlds Most Valuble SPORTING Club for 3 years in a row for a reason - ohh may I add to that while still having success. Both true facts

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:21 am

United still lack that authorative CM.

Forget Sneijder, they should be breaking the bank to try to bring Schweinsteiger to Old Trafford

by nadeem2099 Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:21 am

I think you lot are forgetting the biggest turnaround yesterday when Lyon hammered Zagreb 7-1 to reach the last 16. Gomis played sick and scored the fastest hattrick in champions league history. Ajax losing by 3-0 against a under par Real Madrid side was a shock. I think there may have been a bit of match fixing in the Lyon game tbh.

by **ADMIN** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:24 am

nick_fury wrote:Hero I say is a bit harsh as look at how people were talking about Man United at the start of the season. We have never looked better was being echoed throughout the media and pundits.

United are further away from Barcelona today than they were in May, while Jose Mourinho is again working ominously at Real Madrid. Ferguson must now find his midfield master, having always insisted he has the finance to do expensive deals despite the suspicions some United fans have towards the club's owners, the Glazers.
- Manchester United are not run like Barca & Real. We are the Worlds Most Valuble SPORTING Club for 3 years in a row for a reason

Which would you prefer?

Being the most valuable sporting club in the world 3 years in a row.

Or

Going out and buying the likes of ... Fabregas, Villa, Ozil, Ronaldo, De Maria, etc.

by FIFA Diva Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:26 am

Hero why do we need to rush into buy a player? That is a mistake, £40m and £250k a week just because a player of high calibre is for sale no thanks. We can't do a quick fix job this is a long term goal, Sir Alex will retire in a few years what happens then what happens to the future of Man Utd if we just look at today, he is looking in the future 25 years ahead. I rather us regroup for a few years and then come back stronger like we did after 03/04. No matter who we sign we can not get close to Barcelona they are light years ahead. We have top players at the club, majority of the players won the league and got to the final last season, they don't turn crap overnight.

Said Hero take it slow
It'll work it self out fine
All we need is just a little patience

Nick I was disgusted by the fans, a lot of them don't know nothing, they think it's Fifa 10 where you just buy and sack players everyday.

by nick_fury Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:27 am

United still lack that authorative CM.

Once again start of season we wernt. No all of a sudden we are?? Personally I think we do need someone in there, Ando and Clev are having injury problems, Forget Sneijder I 100% agree with. Schweinsteiger is not realistic.

Gomis smashed it.

under par Real Madrid side which contained Coentrao, Kaka, Benzema, Higuain. Below is there lineup which is strong.

Antonio Adan
Fabio Coentrao, Alvaro Arbeloa, Raul Albiol, Raphael Varane
Esteban Granero, Nuri Sahin, Kaka ,Jose Callejon
Karim Benzema, Gonzalo Higuain.

by nick_fury Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:32 am

Which would you prefer?

Being the most valuable sporting club in the world 3 years in a row.

Or

Going out and buying the likes of ... Fabregas, Villa, Ozil, Ronaldo, De Maria, etc.

Option one, Being the most valuble while still maintaining success

If Manchester United went out and started buying the likes of ... Fabregas, Villa, Ozil, Ronaldo, De Maria, Household/Hollywood names etc I would lose part of the reason why I love Manchester United.

That being Manchester United are not about that. Yes we will spend money but we promote youth development and always have done. I dont want Mourinho as next manager, apart from being able to win he has no other qualities/values which Manchester United are about

by Fan Gilhaus Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:33 am

Jordan henderson for sale as well - £12m or px

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:34 am

Being the most valuable sporting club in the world 3 years in a row.

That is a bit like Arsenal's claim to being financially solid and getting mocked for it and being asked to hang their balance sheet up in the trophy cabinet.

Fact is a team the size of United should not be going out in the group stages and they need to do something about their CM

by nadeem2099 Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:36 am

The problem with Man Utd is they don't have a "Passer" like all the other big teams.
Real Madrid have Xabi Alonso
Barca have Xavi

These players are not attack mids like Sneijder but they offer something both offensively and defensivly. The only player that comes close to Paul Scholes ability in long range passing is Xabi Alonso. When Real Madrid signed Alonso I was very happy because it was a player we NEEDED.

by nick_fury Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:36 am

Rooneys ban reduced to 2 matches
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12016/7362029/Rooney-ban-reduced

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:38 am

nick_fury wrote:
United still lack that authorative CM.
Once again start of season we wernt.

I disagree. Cleverly was brilliant at the start of the season, but there were flaws obvious in the centre even when you were doing well. They were just being covered up by the form of your forward players and the likes of Jones and Smalling.

by FIFA Diva Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:44 am

That is what I said at the start of the season but everyone bit my head of, teams were going through our midfield like butter through knife but because our attacking player was so good we would just score more then you.

We do need a CM I would like Schweinsteiger but would he really come, he is the man in Germany, great team, fans, stadium, trophies.

Afro why miss our the part where he said having sucsess?

Nadeem please don't put Alonso in the same bracket as Paul Scholes he is the god of passing no man can test him.

by nick_fury Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:47 am

Afro, I added to it: With success.

Arsenal dont have success.

Man United should not be going out but its not about the CM position. Your making too much of it. The fact is we gave away a 2-0 lead to Basel at OT to end up fighting to come back from 2-3. We drew with Benfica at OT. Our home games should of been 9 points. Say it as much as you want but that is not down to the CM position.

Once again you yourself after the first 3/4 games of the season did not question the CM position.

Why are Inter Milan 16th in the league??? Are you going to blame that on a single position??

Yes Nadz we do need someone with the ability to pick a pass. But that is not the reason why we ahvent qualified. We havent qualified due to ALL the players not playing to the standard expected of them through out all the group stage matches.

by nick_fury Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:50 am

he is the man in Germany, great team, fans, stadium, trophies.

Also the Bundesliga is very rapidly improving as a whole. Its starting to generate more and more money each season, new Stadia, great youth coming through and they are attracting players.

by nadeem2099 Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:55 am

Ok viva who would you say is the best long passer in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oR7bQyD4IQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:56 am

nick_fury wrote:Afro, I added to it: With success.

Arsenal dont have success.

Man United should not be going out but its not about the CM position. Your making too much of it. The fact is we gave away a 2-0 lead to Basel at OT to end up fighting to come back from 2-3. We drew with Benfica at OT. Our home games should of been 9 points. Say it as much as you want but that is not down to the CM position.

Once again you yourself after the first 3/4 games of the season did not question the CM position.

I saw that after I posted and was quoting Hero.

And I have questioned the CM position at Man United since the end of last season. Viva will vouch for that. Even when you were winning easily.

And I am not saying your midfield is poor, I am saying it is your weakest area and needs addressing.

And I think those homegames, an authorative CM would have closed out the games IMO, so I do think the CM position has a lot to do with it.

I think you and Viva are right, that going out and panic spending is not the right approach (unless Schwein was a possibility), but CM is the area that needs addressing first and foremost.

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:58 am

Once again you yourself after the first 3/4 games of the season did not question the CM position.

And I am not blaming it on a single position, but again, it is your weakest area and needs addressing.

by nick_fury Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:58 am

Shaqiri was quality last night.
Fabian Frei had a great game too IMO. Showed he can play across midfield and defend very well too.
Xhaka is a dirty Poopie. I felt he could of picked up two yellows easily, ref just kept letting him off.

by FIFA Diva Thu 08 Dec 2011, 10:58 am

Easy, Matthew Taylor who plays for West Ham.

Why is it when an English player plays a long ball it is called route 1, ugly, no nonsense but when a foreign player does it they call it cultured, continental, beautiful?

Taylor > Alonso when it comes to long passes.

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:02 am

Out of interest, how many United players that have played regularly this season and can claim to be first teamers or close to first teamer, have come right through the youth system?

I can only think of Cleverly and Welbeck

by nick_fury Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:05 am

it is your weakest area and needs addressing.

Yes and No. I think we need a good, injury free partnership. Ando & Clev can both do well there, more exp will improve them in the centre. Both can tackle, Ando better id say, both can get forward, both have good passing ability, both can shoot Clev better.
Also we need a solid CB pairing.

I honestly think without injuries and we can give the same players a run of 6+ games together form will pick up.

I also think yes go get a CM in Jan.
and finally I really really really hope the kids play in the Europa, exp they cant get anywhere else which will improve development and maybe encorage some of them to break into the first team pre season/next season.

by The Special Juan Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:06 am

If I may have my 2 cents...

The whole team needs improving, but only slightly. WIth Vidic out, probably long term, we need another CB. One for now, not for the future. Both Rio and Vidic are now in their 30s, therefore won't be around much longer. And if you say "Put Phil Jones in the centre of defence" then we need a right back. Smalling is not a right back in my opinion!!!

Then we come to the midfield. Young, Nani and Valencia are okm they don't need fixing. It's the centre. Fletcher is ok, he can hold the ball up, so we need someone to play alongside him. I've been very impressed with Cleverley but with that bad injury he's suffered he won't be match fit before February I think. And Anderson's terrible at times, brilliant at others. Too hit and miss for my liking.

As for the strikers, we only have Rooney left. Hernandez, Welbeck, Owen and Berbatov are all injured. Macheda and Diouf aren't worth keeping. Sell them to Bolton.

At the moment, I'd say Spurs have the best midfield in the premiership. Who would disagree with that? Fergie should have signed Parker Sad

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:08 am

Cleverly I like a lot. A good engine. Anderson I do not like and I do not think he is good enough, or will ever be good enough, to take Man United up to the level to compete with Barca and Real.

CBs - Smalling and Jones will be your pairing and will be hard to shift

by Fan Gilhaus Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:09 am

As of yet I have no over time Mon or Tues so I prob wont be able to vote on final fixtures

Just giving you a warning soi dont get penalised

by nick_fury Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:11 am

Cleverly and Welbeck - yep. so 2 this season.

But lets copmpare with top teams.

Arsenal - Frimpong at a push
Chelsea - Sturridge
Tottenham - Walker
Man City - ..............

by The Special Juan Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:12 am

Hang on, Sturridge was bought from Man City.....

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:14 am

And Giggs! I forgot him Laugh

Chelsea - Sturridge came through man City's youth system
Tottenham - Walker came through Sheff Uniteds
Arsenal - Wilshere, Szschszcghszesney, Gibbs, Frimpong, Diaby
Man City - Richards

by The Special Juan Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:15 am

lol The top teams. Where are those Scouse punks? Laugh

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:16 am

TSC wrote:lol The top teams. Where are those Scouse punks?

Sorry, I forgot them.

Everton - Rodwell, Barkley, Osman

by sodhat Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:18 am

Terry came through Chelsea's youth system, but that was some time ago...

by **ADMIN** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:18 am

TSC wrote:If I may have my 2 cents...

The whole team needs improving, but only slightly. WIth Vidic out, probably long term, we need another CB. One for now, not for the future. Both Rio and Vidic are now in their 30s, therefore won't be around much longer. And if you say "Put Phil Jones in the centre of defence" then we need a right back. Smalling is not a right back in my opinion!!!

Then we come to the midfield. Young, Nani and Valencia are okm they don't need fixing. It's the centre. Fletcher is ok, he can hold the ball up, so we need someone to play alongside him. I've been very impressed with Cleverley but with that bad injury he's suffered he won't be match fit before February I think. And Anderson's terrible at times, brilliant at others. Too hit and miss for my liking.

As for the strikers, we only have Rooney left. Hernandez, Welbeck, Owen and Berbatov are all injured. Macheda and Diouf aren't worth keeping. Sell them to Bolton.

At the moment, I'd say Spurs have the best midfield in the premiership. Who would disagree with that? Fergie should have signed Parker

Totally agree on the Spurs midfield.

Parker Modric
Lennon VDV Bale

with Sandro & Huddlestone as well.

by Fan Gilhaus Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:26 am

Fan Gilhaus wrote:As of yet I have no over time Mon or Tues so I prob wont be able to vote on final fixtures

Just giving you a warning soi dont get penalised

Can Viva, Nick or Afro please respond to this so i know you know

Thamnks

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:28 am

Yep. No worries Fan, thanks for letting us know.

by Fan Gilhaus Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:33 am

cheers Afro, will no for certain before 2 hopefully then am off till Weds

by cherriesfna Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:38 am

Doumbia is mine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seydou_Doumbia

by cherriesfna Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:39 am

looka t this seasons goal scoring record!

by Fan Gilhaus Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:40 am

good player Cherries

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:41 am

Doumbia is no secret, but his record is all Russia and Switzerland.

Has looked really poor for Ivory Coast.

by **ADMIN** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:42 am

He's the oldest looking 23 year old I've ever seen.

by **Afro** Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:43 am

£23.5m is madness.

I would have sold you either of my strikers for that much and both are much, much better than Doumbia.

by The Special Juan Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:45 am

How good was young Shaqiri last night? Very Happy

by sodhat Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:49 am

Macclads (formerly Hero) wrote:He's the oldest looking 23 year old I've ever seen.

Bit of a Kanu isn't he?

How highly rated are the Russian leagues rated here? and the smaller Euro leagues in general?

by The Special Juan Thu 08 Dec 2011, 11:51 am

Russian league is a no contest considering Anzhi Mackahahahahackalacka.

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