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Post by maestegmafia Fri 6 Jan - 4:11

First topic message reminder :

Ireland Six Nations 2012 Squad

15 -Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
14 - Tommy Bowe (Ospreys)
13 - Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
12 - Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
11 - Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
10 - Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
9 - Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
1 - Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
2 - Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)
3 - Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
4 - Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)
5 - Paul O'Connell (Young Munster/Munster) Captain
6 - Stephen Ferris (Dungannon/Ulster)
7 - Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
8 - Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)

Replacements:

16 -Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
17 - Tom Court (Malone/Ulster)
18 - Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
19 - Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster)
20 - Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
21 - Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)
22 - Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)



WALES SQUAD

BACKS


Scrumhalf
Mike PHILLIPS (BAYONNE)
Lloyd WILLIAMS (CARDIFF BLUES)
Rhys WEBB (OSPREYS)

Flyhalf
Rhys PRIESTLAND (SCARLETS)
James HOOK (PERPIGNAN)

Centre 3/4s
Jamie ROBERTS (CARDIFF BLUES)
Jonathan DAVIES (SCARLETS)
Scott WILLIAMS (SCARLETS)
Gavin HENSON (CARDIFF BLUES)
Ashley BECK (OSPREYS – Uncapped)

Wing 3/4s
George NORTH (SCARLETS)
Leigh HALFPENNY (CARDIFF BLUES)
Alex CUTHBERT (CARDIFF BLUES)
Harry ROBINSON (CARDIFF BLUES)

Fullbacks
Liam WILLIAMS (SCARLETS – Uncapped)
Lee BYRNE (ASM CLERMONT AUVERGNE)

FORWARDS

Tightheads
Craig MITCHELL (EXETER CHIEFS)
Adam JONES (OSPREYS)

Looseheads
Ryan BEVINGTON (OSPREYS)
Gethin JENKINS (CARDIFF BLUES)
Rhys GILL (SARACENS)

Adaptable to both sides of the Scrum
Paul JAMES (OSPREYS)
Rhodri JONES (SCARLETS – Uncapped)

Hookers
Matthew REES (SCARLETS)
Huw BENNETT (OSPREYS)
Ken OWENS (SCARLETS)

Locks
Bradley DAVIES (BLUES)
Ian EVANS (OSPREYS)
Lou REED (SCARLETS – Uncapped)

Back Five Option
Ryan JONES (OSPREYS)

Blindside Flank Forward
Dan LYDIATE (NEWPORT GWENT DRAGONS)

Openside Flank Forward
Sam WARBURTON (CARDIFF BLUES, CAPTAIN)
Justin TIPURIC (OSPREYS)

Number 8s
Toby FALETAU (Dragons)
Andy POWELL (Sale)


Its a month away, just 31 days to the opening game for Wales and Ireland. The excitement of the start of the tournament is as thrilling as it has ever been. I think we are hoping that both sides will show some of the new talent on display in the HEC given their chances at International level. A mix of experience blended in well to temper the exuberance of youth when it is needed.


How do the teams match up historically?

First ever Ireland vs Wales was at Lansdowne Road, Dublin on the 28th of January 1882.

Ireland nil – 2G, 4T Wales
Try: Evans
Bridie
Clapp
Baker Jones

Con: Lewis (2)


The winning result for Wales was their first ever victory in International Rugby. Since then the two Nations have played for the following results.

117 Played 117
47 Wins 64
64 Losses 47
6 Draws 6
164 Tries 201
85 Conversions 98
131 Penalties 126
21 Drop Goals 33
1227 Points 1353
39.66% Success Rate 54.31%

Last meeting was in the Quarter Finals of the RWC 2011. Wales were victorious in a classic encounter. Both nations fielded exceptionally good teams that had done well in their previous pool matches.

The game previous was in the 2011 Six Nations with another win for Wales, controversial due to the try that should not have been allowed scored by Mike Phillips.


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Post by maestegmafia Sun 29 Jan - 2:08

Cymroglan wrote:Taken off after 65 min thumbsup
Safe and sound I hope?

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Post by Knowsit17 Sun 29 Jan - 2:10

I always thought he seemed like a good chap. It must be the half-English bit shining through

The Clerc debacle was actually Warburton's way of letting loose his frustration at that speck of Englishness in him. As long as he keeps up the big hits, he can find it in himself to smile and give England the odd compliment Smile

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Post by Knowsit17 Sun 29 Jan - 2:15

Huge win courtesy of Toulon's foreign contingent, 10 out of 10 for Jonny too apparently. Watching him today reminded me the 6N's will never be treated to the praying mantis immitation again. Almost makes me shed a tear Crying or Very sad

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Post by Guest Sun 29 Jan - 2:21

Knowsit17 wrote:
I always thought he seemed like a good chap. It must be the half-English bit shining through

The Clerc debacle was actually Warburton's way of letting loose his frustration at that speck of Englishness in him. As long as he keeps up the big hits, he can find it in himself to smile and give England the odd compliment Smile
Nah, Warbs is a good lad and a great example to all English/Welsh hybrid folk. There are more than you think Shocked

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 29 Jan - 2:43

Appears Hook has got through his match in injured too.

Phew..!

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Post by Messymesina Sun 29 Jan - 2:44

Well said Alan Shatter. About time too.

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 29 Jan - 3:17

ESPN SPORT wrote:Six Nations

Jones backs James to deputise for Jenkins

Tight-head Adam Jones has backed fellow Ospreys' prop Paul James to step into the Wales loose-head berth following Gethin Jenkins' injury.

Cardiff Blues prop Jenkins is set to be out for up to five weeks after suffering a knee injury in his region's Heineken Cup victory over Racing Metro. That makes Jenkins the third first-choice player to be ruled out of Wales' opening Six Nations clash with Ireland at the Aviva Stadium a week on Sunday, with locks Alun Wyn Jones and Luke Charteris left out of coach Warren Gatland's squad due to long-term injuries.

Gatland also has injury doubts over fly-half Rhys Priestland (knee), centre Jamie Roberts (knee) and flanker Dan Lydiate (ankle).

Gatland admitted at this week's Six Nations launch that the loss of 83-cap forward Jenkins, who is also likely to miss the home game against Scotland, is a huge blow to his side. But the Blues prop was badly troubled by niggling toe and calf problems during 2010 and 2011, with James stepping into the loose-head jersey to good effect on those occasions.

And Jones, 30, has every confidence that his Ospreys team-mate will once again prove to be a more than able deputy. Jones said: "Paul has always done very well when he has been called upon.

"He is a different type of prop to Gethin in that he is a bit more set-piece orientated, while Gethin is like having an extra back-row forward on the field. So what we lose in one area we can gain in another. They are both good all-round players and I have no doubt that Paul will make sure we are not weakened in that area."

While Jenkins is the only member of Gatland's initial 35-man selection to be ruled out of the trip to Dublin, fly-half Priestland, whose assured performances made him one of the stars of Wales' march to the World Cup semi-finals, is struggling to be fit for selection. That has led to veteran fly-half Stephen Jones being called into their training camp in Gdansk, Poland.

Jones, who has won a record 104 caps for his country, was left out of Gatland's original party, but with Priestland's fitness proving a concern and James Hook having to return to Perpignan for their Top 14 fixture this weekend, the Scarlets playmaker will provide training cover.

Hook is likely to be handed the starting role should Priestland fail to prove his fitness for the Aviva Stadium clash, which would potentially leave Jones in line for a spot among the replacements. Gavin Henson is the other outside-half option in Gatland's squad, but he has not featured at number 10 in his three appearances to date for the Cardiff Blues.

Wales' Dublin assignment will be a repeat of the World Cup quarter-final in Wellington, which they won 22-10. But Wales have a poor recent record in Dublin, having won on just one of their last five visits to the city, and face an Ireland side thirsting for revenge after their premature World Cup exit.

And with the Irish provinces having been in excellent Heineken Cup form in recent weeks, Jones is well aware of the huge task facing the visitors. "It is going to be pretty tough, they are very good in Dublin," said the 75-cap tighthead. "They showed that with the way they gave England a mauling last year. We know they will be coming in with an element of revenge, we have seen what (Ireland captain) Paul O'Connell has had to say, but we are confident going into this game.

"Their provinces have done very well - although if you look at Ulster a lot of their key players are South African - but the guys who play for Leinster and Munster, they know how to win big games and they will be on a high. We are confident after what we did at the World Cup, although we have to remember that we also lost three games out there; we got to the semi-finals but we did not achieve what we set out to do.

"We know in Dublin that we will have to turn up and be at the top of our game."

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 29 Jan - 3:35

Allan Phillips Wales Team Manager wrote:

Priestland has established himself as Wales' first choice fly-half
Team manager Alan Phillips admits Rhys Priestland and Dan Lydiate remain injury doubts for Wales' match against Ireland despite signs of improvement.
Priestland has been suffering with a knee injury while an ankle problem has troubled Lydiate.
Both players have spent the week with the Welsh squad in Poland ahead of the Six Nations opener against Ireland on 5 February.
"There's definitely an improvement in both players," said Phillips.
Both players suffered the injuries while playing for their clubs in European competitions last weekend.
Fly-half Priestland was injured during Scarlets' victory over Castres in the Heineken Cup while Lydiate was helped off the field in Newport Gwent Dragons' win against Prato in the Amlin Challenge Cup.
"He's [Priestland] stopped limping about the place so obviously we'll have to see how it goes," said Phillips.
"I noticed Dan didn't have the boot on all day yesterday [Friday].
Continue reading the main story
For Stephen playing for Wales is everything. That's why he most probably hasn't retired from international rugby
Alan Phillips
Wales team manager
"They're spending three or four times a day in the cryotherapy and doing a lot of remedial work.
"We'll have to see how it is when we arrive home and back in camp on Tuesday.
"There's definitely been an improvement in them but whether it will be enough for next we don't know yet."
Wales have also been monitoring the fitness of centre Jamie Roberts, who has yet to play a game this year.
Roberts suffered a knee injury during Cardiff Blues' Pro 12 win over the Dragons in December.
"We're looking after him a bit because we've got an all-weather pitch here which is not suitable for him and his knee," said Phillips.
"But he's trained and came through it well. He's coming along nicely as well."
Scarlets fly-half Stephen Jones was a late addition to Wales' training camp in Poland following James Hook's return to club duties with Perpignan in France.
And Phillips said the record-cap holder was delighted to have received the call-up to the Welsh training camp.
"For Stephen playing for Wales is everything," said Phillips. "That's why he most probably hasn't retired from international rugby.
"He wants to play as much as he can. He's chirpy and he's just glad to be back in the camp."

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 29 Jan - 21:09

Warren Gatland wrote:

Brian will be a huge loss for them and who they play there I am not sure, Keith Earls had a good game against Northampton in the Heineken Cup recently but they are huge boots to fill. Brian is a big leader for them and someone who gives them a massive amount of direction.

It is something we have to take a bit of an advantage of with them losing that experience Brian brings to their game.

I am sure Ireland will have a lot of motivation, if they lose something they always talk about payback and revenge and this time will be no different. I am sure the disappointment of Wales winning in Wellington will spur them on.

We are hoping Jamie is going to be right because he is a critical player for us, he showed the damage he was able to do getting us across the gain line and being really direct.

We've got some real quality and talent. Some of our young players are very exciting and incredibly professional in the way they prepare, I believe we have a special group of young players who will only improve from here. What this team is potentially capable of doing is very exciting for Welsh rugby.


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Post by maestegmafia Sun 29 Jan - 21:13

Wales Captain Sam Warburton in the Independent on Sunday wrote:

It was a missed opportunity in New Zealand because we missed out on getting to the final by one point," said Warburton.

Maybe we were a little bit naive out there in that we didn't realise how big a stage we were playing on.

We played each game as just another rugby match. We played with no fear and never went into our shells.

That will probably be the same message this time - don't think too much about it and ignore all the stuff that goes on off the field. It's just another game of rugby.

It will be different in the Six Nations because the pressure from the Welsh public wasn't there going into the World Cup.

We surprised people with how far we got in the competition, but now we're expected to win the Six Nations.

I was walking past the Millennium Stadium the other day and it said we have three home games, the last of which is Wales v France....and that was the one that had sold out.

Obviously everyone is anticipating that as the championship-winning game. There is more pressure on us, but we're happy with that.

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 29 Jan - 21:40

Exert from Hugh Godwin's Article in the Independent on Sunday wrote:"You want to beat everybody but there's something special about beating England," said Alan Phillips, the Wales manager who played at hooker at Twickenham in the brutal 1980 match. "Always has been, it's in our DNA. Same for the Irish and the Scottish. Because of the size of England, the amount of clubs they've got, the player base, they should be overwhelming favourites every time we play them. They've got a dozen ormore professional teams to pick from, the same as France. When you've played in or been involved with a side that's beaten England, it's a great achievement."

Phillips described Twickenham as "a very sporting crowd, very controlled and respectful". He is old enough to remember when team talks evoked downtrodden miners. But Phillips gave the old foe a fillip. "England are going to play a bit of rugby and they should be applauded for that," he said. "The youngster they've brought in will have a go."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/can-england-break-down-barriers-6296214.html

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Post by Shifty Mon 30 Jan - 3:56

I don't think Wales will beat Ireland away it's just a gut feeling, however I do think Wales have a decent chance. I'm not reading to much into Bod being missing because he was totally nullified in the last 2 games he played against Wales anyway. I also feel Sexton is erratic and not the consistent match winning work horse that Rog was.

Ireland success over the latst 10 years have been built on 4 world class players, Stringers ability to galavanise and organise his forwards especially when trying to get a drop goal, his communication skills are second to none. Rog is an amazing match winner, I forget how many times he has beaten Wales with a last minute drop goal, not to mention the times he has killed games off against other countries.
Bod is a great try scorer who could produce a moment of brilliance to turn a game. Poc was the grunt up front and kept Ireland fighting.

For any injuries Wales have I do think losing Stringer, Bod and Rog will be a massive loss, Ireland do have a lot of quality but not (at the moment) the really world class players that will get the win in a tight game against teams like Wales and England that Ireland have had to help them be so successful.

They will march over Scotland and Italy though with ease, should beat Wales who wont fancy it in Dublin.
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Post by TycroesOsprey Mon 30 Jan - 4:13

you had the same gut feeling before the RWC match and the 6Nations match last year, time for some yakult mate. thumbsup

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Post by Shifty Mon 30 Jan - 4:19

TycroesOsprey wrote:you had the same gut feeling before the RWC match and the 6Nations match last year, time for some yakult mate. thumbsup

Well spotted, your correct!
I always have a bad feeling before Irish games, it's probably from seeing all those dull, boring, tedious, poor skilled, games I saw through the 90's not to mention the 2000's where Ireland adapted to professionalism better and started to beat us more often than not.
I'd rather just skip Ireland and get onto the others! laughing

I maintain (despite being wrong the last 2 times), that I have a feeling Wales will lose this one! steam
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Post by Cari Mon 30 Jan - 4:37

I reckon Wales will win in Dublin, but it won't be spectacularly and by much. I think this is their first game at the new stadium...they may feel a little intimidated...

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 6:35

The irish are sure to come out guns blazing. They have some fantastic players too...!

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Post by Notch Mon 30 Jan - 6:38

Cari wrote:I reckon Wales will win in Dublin, but it won't be spectacularly and by much. I think this is their first game at the new stadium...they may feel a little intimidated...

Do you mean the new stadium in Lansdowne Road Cari? It actually opened in 2010 Smile
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Post by TycroesOsprey Mon 30 Jan - 7:10

Notch wrote:
Cari wrote:I reckon Wales will win in Dublin, but it won't be spectacularly and by much. I think this is their first game at the new stadium...they may feel a little intimidated...

Do you mean the new stadium in Lansdowne Road Cari? It actually opened in 2010 Smile

Yes it did open in 2010 but after the six nations, this is Wales first visit to the stadium as Cari said?

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 8:08

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TycroesOsprey wrote:you had the same gut feeling before the RWC match and the 6Nations match last year, time for some yakult mate. thumbsup

Well spotted, your correct!
I always have a bad feeling before Irish games, it's probably from seeing all those dull, boring, tedious, poor skilled, games I saw through the 90's not to mention the 2000's where Ireland adapted to professionalism better and started to beat us more often than not.
I'd rather just skip Ireland and get onto the others! laughing

I maintain (despite being wrong the last 2 times), that I have a feeling Wales will lose this one! steam

Tony ward was saying on scrum v how he feels Wales and Ireland are the two teams he thinks will really shine this Six Nations.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 30 Jan - 19:12

Let's not forget the last Six Nations game Ireland played at home. They were world class that day and England got hammered. We're going to have to play incredibly well to come away with a win.

And if we pick Alex Cuthbert they'll kick to him all day.

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 19:30

Things could be worse, at least Cuthbert is a decent player.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 30 Jan - 19:36

Under the high ball in Dublin with the wind swirling, the crowd roaring and half the Irish side running at him? I don't think we should risk him.

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Post by Notch Mon 30 Jan - 19:37

TycroesOsprey wrote:Yes it did open in 2010 but after the six nations, this is Wales first visit to the stadium as Cari said?

How does that affect Ireland though?
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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 19:40

luckless_pedestrian wrote:Under the high ball in Dublin with the wind swirling, the crowd roaring and half the Irish side running at him? I don't think we should risk him.
You prefer Byrne Halfpenny North...? Its not a bad combo either.

I am interested to find out how Liam Williams went in the camp, I am quiet excited about him as our fullback in a few seasons. Absolutely fearless player, great to watch.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 30 Jan - 19:45

That's the back three I'd go for. Lee Byrne's a bit dumb sometimes but at least you can count on him under the high ball and we know Halfpenny's good under the high ball too. George North's not the best in that department but at least he'd be the only weakness in the back three.

Who knows, they might go with Liam Williams at full back, he's certainly brave enough for the challenge.

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 19:53

Cuthbert and Williams are great back up for the first choice back three. One of those five will get the chop in the reduced squad this week, would be a surprise to see Gatland keep a 35 man squad for the Six Nations.

We have Halfpenny, Byrne and Williams who are all good fullbacks and have played plenty on the wing. Cuthbert and North who are very big and similar wingers.

Looks like Roberts and Davies will again form the center partnership. Hook and Phillips at halfbacks.

Should know soon if Danny Lydiate has nursed himself into contention, but if not Shingler, Warburton and Faletau would be exciting. Ryan Jones as cover.

Front five picks itself, James, Rees, Jones, Evans and Davies, not our best, not poor. We need to expect a lot from Evans and Davies to cover as much work as Charteris and AWJ were covering in the RWC.


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Post by bedfordwelsh Mon 30 Jan - 19:53

I'd plump for North Byrne Halfpenny for this game, things is Byrne was one of the ones who knew he would get picked regardless due to lack of options.

He now knows Halfpenny and Williams are knocking on door and in his defence his form for Clermont has been good.
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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 19:54

bedfordwelsh wrote:I'd plump for North Byrne Halfpenny for this game, things is Byrne was one of the ones who knew he would get picked regardless due to lack of options.

He now knows Halfpenny and Williams are knocking on door and in his defence his form for Clermont has been good.
Not sure what your point is there Bedford mate?

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Post by Gibson Mon 30 Jan - 19:56

Ireland by 20. Min.
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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 20:02

Gibson wrote:Ireland by 20. Min.
Sticking with that mate?

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Post by bedfordwelsh Mon 30 Jan - 20:05

Maes,

For a while Byrne was one of a few players that always knew he was gonna get picked regardless of his form due to our lack of options there and maybe became complacent.

He now knows that he will be dropped if not performing, with Halfpenny certainly ready to step in and Williams coming through.

A move does some players a lot of godd and it seems like this for Byrne his form has been good and hopefully it will continue now he realises his place is not guaranteed.
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Post by Gibson Mon 30 Jan - 20:09

Nah Maesteg pal, that was a wee bit hasty. Ive thought about it since. Ireland by 25. guinness

Honestly. Really think we are going to let rip next Sunday. Wales missing 2 brilliant players in Priestland and Jenkins - swings it for me. OK we've no BOD. But hey.

Hope its a great game either way.
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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 20:10

Bedford

I agree, there is a bit more competition for places now for sure. Byrne has done well at Clermont, nothing inspirational but a few nice up and under's where he collected his own kick and offloaded as he was famous for around 2008.

I certainly think it will be good for the younger players, which now amass over three quarters of the squad to have players who have won a few Grandslams around them.

Not that any of this makes me thing we are favourites. Irish players have been in superb fettle this season. Wales will have to play better than they did in any RWC match.


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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 20:12

Gibson wrote:Nah Maesteg pal, that was a wee bit hasty. Ive thought about it since. Ireland by 25. guinness

Honestly. Really think we are going to let rip next Sunday. Wales missing 2 brilliant players in Priestland and Jenkins - swings it for me. OK we've no BOD. But hey.

Hope its a great game either way.
Sure to be a good game. I hope Wales have worked hard this last week in training, they have to hit a very high standard, well above what they have been playing at their regions to compete on the weekend.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 30 Jan - 20:14

If Kidney picks Earls at outside centre he's definitely someone we should target. As talented a player as he is in attack, he's too lightweight to play midfield for my money and we should get at him.


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Post by Gibson Mon 30 Jan - 20:15

Ah sure our games are always close man. Just trying to ratch it up. Cool
I think it could be the game of the Comp. Lets hope so.
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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 20:22

Tony Ward said so too yesterday on Scrum V.

There is a pretty high mutual respect between Ireland and Wales, you are not going to get someone biting on a "ratch it up" comment.

We think your good, but still think we stand a good chance, you think we are good maybe not in best shape but we keep beating you the last twelve months whether you think we are in good shape or not...!

Home advantage and form in HEC matches gives Ireland the favourites tag.

Maybe you can "ratch it up" by arguing the underdog tag?

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Post by Gibson Mon 30 Jan - 20:26

Maesteg, we have NO hope. Ye are far superior, have a better coach, backrow, frontrow, centres, wingers and could have won the RWC.

I'm praying for a miracle.
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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 20:35

Gibson wrote:Maesteg, we have NO hope. Ye are far superior, have a better coach, backrow, frontrow, centres, wingers and could have won the RWC.

I'm praying for a miracle.
All true but the injuries mate, the injuries... you don't realise how much we lose without Gethin, Priestland is the new messiah of Welsh rugby, Jamie Roberts scares Irishman for fun, i hear even the coaches are injured, Gatland hasn't been quote on anything that will wind up the Irish and Shaun Edwards lost his voice taking elocution lessons to sound less, well you know what he used to sound like...!

We are in disarray mate, this years six nations has come to early for us, remember we played three more RWC games after we humbled you...!

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 22:38

The Western Mail wrote:

Warren Gatland has put back the naming of his Wales team to face Ireland by 48 hours amid continuing major doubts over the fitness of Rhys Priestland and Dan Lydiate.

The Wales coach has given outside-half Priestland (knee) and blindside flanker Lydiate (ankle) extra time in their bid to recover from injury and is now not expected to finalise his selection until Friday.

Six Nations 2008 Grand Slam skipper Ryan Jones is in line to deputise for Lydiate, but Gatland is mulling over whether to start with James Hook or recalled veteran Stephen Jones in the crucial role of playmaker if Priestland fails to make next Sunday’s Six Nations opener at Dublin’s Aviva Stadium.



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Post by SecretFly Mon 30 Jan - 22:50

This cold storage fitness regime the Welsh are under? Do we know enough about the science of it to trust it so much?

I mean, Gatland has put the Welsh guys through the process now twice inside of a single year. It might mean levels are back up to WC performance or it might be slowly eating away a 'real' muscular health.

The idea is that you almost 'freeze' the player so that training can be intensified and sustained for longer - thus getting the extra benefits of extra muscle growth and increased fitness.

Well, yes - but then it's not exactly a natural process and sometimes the body eventually tells you so. Gatland might be sacrificing long term fitness for the scientific quick boosters.

Injuries, injuries, injuries seem to be the calling card of Welsh rugby in the last few weeks.

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Post by rodders Mon 30 Jan - 23:00

Secretfly there is no science to support it, it's nothing more than an expensive placebo but it obviously does the fragile Welsh confidence a world of good so good luck to them Wink.
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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 23:06

SecretFly wrote:
Injuries, injuries, injuries seem to be the calling card of Welsh rugby in the last few weeks.

I raised the same point at dinner in London a few weeks back with a friend who is a consultant on sports injuries. It is a practice that has actually been in use for a very long time, not in the cryogenic exponent in this case but the application of different temperatures to cure muscle and ligament damage faster is common practice and has been so in many different guises for thousands of years. So it is all quite well researched and precisely monitored.

Regarding the current spate of injuries to Welsh players it is nothing unusual and is often appropriated to the mis-training and mis-management of players at Regional level.


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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 23:09

I would be keen for Gatland to offer a fitness mandate to the Regions regarding all Welsh Qualified players with or without international aspirations that would be monitored by the WRU.

Fitness to play the game is key, and there is no reason why everyone should not be on the same level playing field. Surely it could only improve the quality of Regional rugby and hopefully minimise the regularity of injuries.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 30 Jan - 23:11

maestegmafia wrote:
The Western Mail wrote:

Gatland is mulling over whether to start with James Hook or recalled veteran Stephen Jones in the crucial role of playmaker if Priestland fails to make next Sunday’s Six Nations opener at Dublin’s Aviva Stadium.



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I'd be more comfortable of we went to Dublin with Wellies at ten than Hook.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Mon 30 Jan - 23:13

I am all for calling Jones up as cover but if Priestland is out then I think it will be a huge kick in the teeth to Hook if he doesn't get the nod to start
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 30 Jan - 23:18

That's true, Bedford, but of the two, Hook's the more likely to go missing during a game. It's going to be a real cauldron on Sunday and I'd be less worried with Wellies at the helm than Hook.

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 30 Jan - 23:34

I really don't mind, I am just glad we have the options to use either.

I think the battle will be far more upfront for us though.

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Post by SecretFly Mon 30 Jan - 23:40

maestegmafia wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Injuries, injuries, injuries seem to be the calling card of Welsh rugby in the last few weeks.

It is a practice that has actually been in use for a very long time, not in the cryogenic exponent in this case but the application of different temperatures to cure muscle and ligament damage faster is common practice and has been so in many different guises for thousands of years. So it is all quite well researched and precisely monitored.


Yeah, I know that coldness is used to repair bodies quicker after exertion and that it has been used a long time. Players diving into ice vats straight after a game etc. I was more talking about the level of intensity of the system applied in the Welsh case. The freeze, hard training, refreeze, hard training intensity, allegedly so, of the system. I think it might prove less productive long term whilst perhaps admitted giving an edge short term. But we'll see. The Welsh players are, in a way, the white mice Wink

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Post by RubyGuby Mon 30 Jan - 23:43

Don't worry Fly, On Sunday I can see Faletau being carried off the field on the shoulders of his team mates after another impressive win will all the welsh XV singing F'reeze a Jolly Good Fella Run


Fxxx that's my worse ever, I'm getting nervous - wonder why?????

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