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Post by Driver Tue 17 Jan 2012, 10:05 pm

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Post by Guest Tue 07 Feb 2012, 9:12 am

Farrel did not really threaten that much either pooly. With the slow litter youngs was throwing out it was a bit unfair on the backs full stop.

However as myself and pretty much every pundit says Barrit does not have enough in attack for international level. Deserves to keep his place against another poor side in italy but wait until we play ireland or france,

I think we also have to remember this is an easy 6 nations for England in that they have Wales and Ireland at home.

I think we will be 4th as we were in the betting. bookies not often wrong.

We are massively deluding ourselves if we think we are any better.

a back 5 of Lawes, Palmer, Wood, Robshaw, Morgan really lacks ball carrying for me but most importantly of all i think that backrow lacks explosivity and dynamism

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 07 Feb 2012, 10:24 am

I thought Farrell did ok, in that he didnt make any mistakes, did well with the boot etc. Lot to build on there, especially as he's only 20. I dont think you can drop him as with both FLood and Hodgson I think you need his kicking game.

From what I've read of Lancaster's interviews Flood isnt going to walk back into the team at all, might even have to go and get some more gametime at TIgers this week, might not be a bad thing as could benefit England in later games, as best to give him 80mins than get 20mins for England.

We desperately need Manu back - didnt realise that ENgland didnt make a single line break versus Scotland at the weekend. Shocking.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 07 Feb 2012, 10:51 am

The answer to the lack of carrying is Matt Garvey. When it is decided he is good enough then he will be a huge pluus for the England side. Do need a lineout specialist with him though. He and Lawes in the row would need Croft and Wood in the back row which just isn't going to happen I don' think.

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Post by Guest Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:08 am

The amount we all speculate on here shows how hard it is to get a balance. I always like garvey but think he needs to have a full season playing like he is to merit a place

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:14 am

If you have a back 5 in the pack of 4. Garvey 5. Lawes 6. Robshaw 7. Wood 8. Morgan you have physicality and ball carrying and enough lineout options to compete.

Lawes cannot call the lineout, but is an athletic jumper. Wood can call the lineout. Add in the front row that played on Saturday and I think that is a pack that can compete with all of the other NH packs given a bit of time to gel.
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Post by stnick88 Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:15 am

thats fair enough matt i would agree, would want garvey involved in the summer

i like attwood but garvey is different gravy
the amount irish rely on him for carrying, tackling, workrate is ridiculous
he does it all

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:25 am

I think that pack would get taken apart at the lineout by France and possibly Ireland. Wood can do it but not even close to aswell as POC and France do it.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:28 am

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_7493377,00.html

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:30 am

I am not saying that we would have a fantastic lineout, but we would have enough to secure our own ball which is all we need to do.

Wales have a poor lineout, and they seem to be doing ok. All we would need to do is to play to our strengths, not our weaknesses.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:36 am

Dickson and Flood both taking a full part in training today according to RFU Twitter.

Odds on them both starting against Italy???
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Post by Guest Tue 07 Feb 2012, 1:04 pm

I think we could well see Dickson and Flood. All depends on hodgsons fitness. I have seen some nonsense that flood playing would help youngs. Youngs was misfiring when Flood was playing and playing well so that is not going to solve it.

Flood was in really tasty form pre injury

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Post by Guest Tue 07 Feb 2012, 1:06 pm

how on earth has Ferris been cited

http://www.talktalk.co.uk/news/article/davies-and-ferris-cited/36462/

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Post by Guest Tue 07 Feb 2012, 1:08 pm

AS mentioned on here a little while ago. bristol new owners. could be a serious amount of cash available if required

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-16922218

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 07 Feb 2012, 1:22 pm

Id expect Ferris is only there to get a talking down too and be made a show off. They surely cant give him anything as the law states both feet have to be of the ground!!

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 07 Feb 2012, 1:44 pm

Ferris citing is a nonsense, but now that he has been, he will get 1-2 weeks.

Davies will end up with about 5 weeks after mitigation of him pleading guilty and being a good boy previously.
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Post by dammit_chris Tue 07 Feb 2012, 2:02 pm

I read that Davies reacted to Doncha putting an illegal hit on Adam Jones once a ball had left a ruck or maul - didnt see the incident yet, but seems very unlike Davies to spear tackle someone off the ball like that.

Looks like the IRB are looking to completely rule out lifting players off their feet in tackles - now Ferris has been cited can see him getting a small ban, even if it is for a week.

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Post by Guest Tue 07 Feb 2012, 2:09 pm

The Davies citing takes away from what an amazing game he had Sunday. Best game in a welsh shirt

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 07 Feb 2012, 2:20 pm

Ryan cleared Jones out of a ruck a bit over enthusiasticly but wasnt much wrong with it and Evans took issue.

Its a disgrace if Ferris gets a ban for that. Didnt take him off his feet at all. You see tackles like that every game you watch at the weekends

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Post by stnick88 Tue 07 Feb 2012, 4:45 pm

is it true dan parks has retired from int. rugby with immediate effect?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 07 Feb 2012, 4:47 pm

Dan Parks has retired from Internatioanl rugby with immediate effect

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Post by Guest Tue 07 Feb 2012, 6:30 pm

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_7493496,00.html
French team announced.

Poux will sure up scrum. Debaty struggled Saturday big time. Swarzeski really added something as well

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 07 Feb 2012, 6:40 pm

Hari for Bonnaire gives French great backrow, brought in for his lineout play apparently. Meastri will add to that too with Nallet struggling for form this season.


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Post by dammit_chris Tue 07 Feb 2012, 10:04 pm

Have got Stevens, Kankowski, de Villiers and Lamont available if anyone is interested?

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 07 Feb 2012, 10:49 pm

Had a fascinating session with Pete Anglesea the Sale coach today. Spent half the session training the brain to put your weight into the tackle properly. Very interesting stuff.

Talking to him in the bar was good as well. Very excited about Richie Gray coming, he was up scouting his brother for Scottish under 20's as well on friday night as he is supposed to be a player and a half.

He seemed fairly sure Sheridan will start on Friday night alongside Marc Jones and Buckley, Monster front row. Couldn't coax any other signings out of him, but he explained why Neil Briggs left and it doesn't leave Briggs in a good light. Also Sale trying to encourage aggression into training sessions, nearly wanting guys to be fighting.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 07 Feb 2012, 10:50 pm

Flood also released from England squad today.

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Post by Driver Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:11 pm

Why did they let Briggs go? thought he was a class act at hook for Sale
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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:13 pm

Brewer promised him double the money and to pay for his wedding etc. Diamond came in, Briggs spoke to him about it, Diamond told him where to go as it wasn't in writing and Briggs asked to leave. Greedy bastar d really.

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Post by Driver Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:17 pm

Jesus! He was asking a for a bit there.
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Post by Driver Tue 07 Feb 2012, 11:26 pm

http://www.rugbynetwork.net/boards/read/s101.htm?104,13043426


Have you seen this Steve? Matt Mullen linked to Sharks?
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Post by stnick88 Wed 08 Feb 2012, 9:25 am

SBW knocked out Tillman in round 1!

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 08 Feb 2012, 10:24 am

Peel, Macleod and Marc Jones have been given new deals at Sale. Peel inparticular is a huge boost.

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Post by Driver Wed 08 Feb 2012, 11:10 am

stnick88 wrote:SBW knocked out Tillman in round 1!


Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction, SBW is right here
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Post by stnick88 Wed 08 Feb 2012, 11:39 am

Just watched the fight.
Tillman was just a fat lump, standard of boxing is awful.
Haye would knock out SBW in seconds!

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Post by Driver Wed 08 Feb 2012, 11:49 am

Toulon look set to open the wallet again and sign Gethin Jenkins and Gareth Delve

http://rugby-transfers.blogspot.com/2012/02/gethin-jenkins-and-gareth-delve-still.html
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Post by stnick88 Wed 08 Feb 2012, 11:58 am

i dont believe anything i read on that website

all looks made up and fake

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Post by Steven_Sharks Wed 08 Feb 2012, 12:01 pm

Toulon must be short of props.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 08 Feb 2012, 12:43 pm

Which 6 Nations sides have been announced so far for thsi weekend? Am trying to work out what my side is going to be.
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Wed 08 Feb 2012, 1:38 pm

Just the French I think.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 08 Feb 2012, 1:57 pm

Italy and Scotland been announced today I see as well.

Presume the other 3 will be tomorrow now.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Feb 2012, 2:07 pm

Cheeky 7 week ban for Davies:

http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyunion/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rugby/12/02/08/manual_134627.html&BID=504

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 08 Feb 2012, 2:08 pm

Scotland:

Scotland side: Rory Lamont, Lee Jones, Nick de Luca, Sean Lamont, Max Evans, Greig Laidlaw, Chris Cusiter; Allan Jacobsen, Ross Ford (c), Geoff Cross, Richie Gray, Jim Hamilton, Alasdair Strokosch, Ross Rennie, David Denton

Replacements: Scott Lawson, Ed Kalman, Alastair Kellock, John Barclay, Mike Blair, Duncan Weir, Stuart Hogg

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 08 Feb 2012, 2:13 pm

Just saw Davies got a 7 week ban - if only he'd been able to pull the card of 'Im a New Zealander' would have got off with a handshake...

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Wed 08 Feb 2012, 2:13 pm

Any news on Ferris yet?

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 08 Feb 2012, 2:17 pm

Scotland won't move forward until they play Evans at 13 for attacking attent - no attack with Lamont and de Luca

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Post by stnick88 Wed 08 Feb 2012, 2:38 pm

Kennedy to Toulon confirmed

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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 08 Feb 2012, 2:51 pm

Ferris news due around 3 o'clock SJE.
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Wed 08 Feb 2012, 2:53 pm

Cheers Pete

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