Anglo Saxons 23 - 17 Irish Wolfhounds

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The scorers:

For England Saxons:
Tries: Spencer, Waldrom
Con: Burns 2
Pen: Burns 3

For Irish Wolfhounds:
Tries: Kearney, O'Leary, Zebo
Con: Madigan

Zebo could have put his leg over the line before picking up the ball and it would have been a touch in goal. Poor decision

Game practically over now. Well played England!

well i have to say the eng a side have done far better than their clubs have recently.

after recent matches against irish teams at club level i feared a hammering.

ireland still massive favourites at senior level of course.

Haha, feckless hasn't posted since TOL scored. Sulking probably

Credit to the Saxons. Forward grunt can still win you games, their pack was a lot stronger and the backs looked solid. Well done hounds, played hard but cam up short.

trebellbobaggins wrote:well i have to say the eng a side have done far better than their clubs have recently.

after recent matches against irish teams at club level i feared a hammering.

ireland still massive favourites at senior level of course.

Against Wales?

Well at least Zebo closes the game!

Nice score, a fair reflection of the game I think.

that zebo lad showed his pace there and had some short yardage to make, burst through. Not bad.

wish i'd realised this was up the road, would have gone to see it.

trelbo, we simply don't have the front row forwards to compete with that England pack. Munster and Ulster rely on foreign tightheads. It's a shame Declan Fitzpatrick has been injured though.

Easy try for zero there. England's defence needs some work.

Great scrum Saxons, big second rows were very good too, ese were the areas where Ireland were lacking.

Madigan looks a lot better than keatley. Center combo was great the wings are good enough for a first team call up.

Too many poor scrums and dropped balls cost Ireland the game.

Stuart Barnes is an idiot also, hate listening to that guy. His 3 choices are Mullan (good call of course), Waldrom (try but he wasn't that good - Ruddock was more effective for Ireland) and Robson gets it?? Tuohy played much better than Robson. I guess he got it for his cynical play in the first half. Kearney should have won the award, outstanding by him and I'm sure he will get the call-up for Ireland.

Yes fair performance as the players are thrown together before the game. But I thought England generally
controlled the game through that very dominant scrum.

Ireland do look stronger than eng in the backs don't they Notch.

At senior level the forwards can't dominate like that advantage you. I just hope we compete.

Well done England - a deserved victory. Irish scrummaging outside top tier is pish poor. That was the difference today.

At Twickenham? Of course. It will be a close game.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Stuart Barnes is an idiot also, hate listening to that guy. His 3 choices are Mullan (good call of course), Waldrom (try but he wasn't that good - Ruddock was more effective for Ireland) and Robson gets it?? Tuohy played much better than Robson. I guess he got it for his cynical play in the first half. Kearney should have won the award, outstanding by him and I'm sure he will get the call-up for Ireland.

Right on two counts Rory, Barnes is a bell-end and Kearney was head and shoulders for MOTM, he must have put is hand up for the seniors tonight.

Disappointing from the Saxons to my eyes. The forwards were OK, but the defence & kicking wasn't great and they didn't seem to fully trust their backs which I feel dictated what happened with the ball the backs did get.

To be honest, based on this, I think Kidney will prefer to move players out of position to cover 3 and 10. Wallace and Court likely to cover tighthead and outhalf- serious lack of depth in that area.

Not good enough from the Wolfhounds. A few guys basking in their own hype too much and not enough fronting up tonight.

Impressed by Madigan, O'Malley, Kearney, Tuohy and Ruddock. TOL did well when he came on too.

Everyone else needs to take a good look at themselves because they won't get near the senior side on that performance.

Lol, Rory. I've never read so much moaning from one person on here!

Does Stuart Lancaster look like he's made up for a part in an East End gangster movie, or is it just me? Shaven head, designer stubble, trendy woolly zip up and you can make out one word in seven when he speaks.

nathan wrote:Lol, Rory. I've never read so much moaning from one person on here!

Feck off nathan I moan way more than Rory

Well. Can I ask if that is the 'A' scrum from Ireland given it's not exactly youthful.

It brought a tear to me eye! A dominant England forward performance, harking back to the glory of 2003, as we dubiously stamped our authority by pulling the wool over the referees eyes for the first score, lucking out completely for the second and then generating penalty after penalty at the set piece and breakdown, somehow, whilst blatantly off-side, or off our feet; whilst offering almost nothing in the back line. England, are back! If only every game was called that way.

Banahan should never be allowed near another England shirt.

Pot Hale wrote:Does Stuart Lancaster look like he's made up for a part in an East End gangster movie, or is it just me? Shaven head, designer stubble, trendy woolly zip up and you can make out one word in seven when he speaks.

Well at least he did the decent thing & spoke. Ireland must be unhappy to have locked themselves in their changing room.

miteyironpaw wrote:It brought a tear to me eye! A dominant England forward performance, harking back to the glory of 2003, as we dubiously stamped our authority by pulling the wool over the referees eyes for the first score, lucking out completely for the second and then generating penalty after penalty at the set piece and breakdown; whilst offering almost nothing in the back line. England, are back!

Banahan should never be allowed near another England shirt.

So the entire 80 minute Saxons performance is down to Banahan?

Portnoy, Wilkinson is 25, Archer is 23 and Varley is 28. It is not incredibly old. Loughney and Sherry are 27 and 23. It is not incredibly old. Their performances are worrying though.

Not at all PJ. When did I say that? It was in a separate paragraph. Are you aware what a paragraph means? It was merely a short extra thought that I felt needed no explanation other than watching the game, and I'll thank you to stop with the personal insults thanks, totally uncalled for.

nathan wrote:Lol, Rory. I've never read so much moaning from one person on here!

Maybe if Stuart Barnes peed off I wouldn't have to

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

nathan wrote:Lol, Rory. I've never read so much moaning from one person on here!

Maybe if Stuart Barnes peed off I wouldn't have to

Completely agree regarding Barnes but he isn't the only thing you were moaning about!

Barnes and Banahan's bad tackle is all I can really remember complaining about myself!

PJHolybloke wrote:

miteyironpaw wrote:It brought a tear to me eye! A dominant England forward performance, harking back to the glory of 2003, as we dubiously stamped our authority by pulling the wool over the referees eyes for the first score, lucking out completely for the second and then generating penalty after penalty at the set piece and breakdown; whilst offering almost nothing in the back line. England, are back!

Banahan should never be allowed near another England shirt.

So the entire 80 minute Saxons performance is down to Banahan?

Get a life bell-end.

that is a pretty harsh assesment i have to agree with you. The forward dominance was not entirely down to cheating.

miteyironpaw wrote:Not at all PJ. When did I say that? It was in a separate paragraph. Are you aware what a paragraph means? It was merely a short extra thought that I felt needed no explanation other than watching the game, and I'll thank you to stop with the personal insults thanks, totally uncalled for.

You were begging for it! Banahan was right up there in terms of his attack, defence and overall workrate, Monye and Armitage were less impressive and they are Lions.

It seems to me like you belong to the club that thinks just because he's 6'7" and 18 stone he should be carving his way from one end of the field to the other, sheesh, honestly. He covers wing and centre, gets dropped to the Saxons and still puts in a better shift than the other two in the back three and you single him out for special mention.

Like I said.

Get TOL back in the Irish 9 jersey.

BigTrevsbigmac wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:Does Stuart Lancaster look like he's made up for a part in an East End gangster movie, or is it just me? Shaven head, designer stubble, trendy woolly zip up and you can make out one word in seven when he speaks.

Well at least he did the decent thing & spoke. Ireland must be unhappy to have locked themselves in their changing room.

Absolutely Trev. No excuse for that kind of sulky behaviour. Am surprised that Henry & Co would do that.

PJHolybloke wrote:

miteyironpaw wrote:It brought a tear to me eye! A dominant England forward performance, harking back to the glory of 2003, as we dubiously stamped our authority by pulling the wool over the referees eyes for the first score, lucking out completely for the second and then generating penalty after penalty at the set piece and breakdown; whilst offering almost nothing in the back line. England, are back!

Banahan should never be allowed near another England shirt.

So the entire 80 minute Saxons performance is down to Banahan?

Edited for personal abuse - no need

Zebo remind anyone elese of Geoghegan, the way he plays, or is it just me.

westisbest wrote:Zebo remind anyone elese of Geoghegan, the way he plays, or is it just me.

No its just you

Seriously lads wtf is going on with the scrum? Are there no scrum machines in Ireland or what? This is feckin unaccepable. Why the flip are we not producing decent props? Healy and McCallistair apart theres no talented young props there who look up to scratch.

Send a few more over to the prem to be taught and then pinch them back. Yes i'm bitter still Ross

Thought it might be.

yappysnap wrote:Send a few more over to the prem to be taught and then pinch them back. Yes i'm bitter still Ross

Maybe you're joking, but why couldn't the Irish do this? The only tighthead we have that can scrummage, learned his trade in England. So why don't we send all our young props over to England, and our teams can play with their foreigners in the 3 jerseys until the Irish lads have learned how to scrummage over there. Because no team in Ireland has shown any ability to produce a good scrummaging tighthead in more than 10 years.

On the other hand top quality tightheads are in short supply everywhere, not just here. Maybe it's one position where a much larger player pool is a huge advantage.

Actually scratch that we do produce good props...they just can't feckin scrummage!...

I think you do need a large number of players to get a top quality prop as it's so technical at the top level.

Robson had a good game tonight. MOM, errmmmm i personaly thought Garvey was having a better game to be honest.

England was realy dominant in the scrum, although i thought Irelands backs
was better than Englands.

One or two players put their hands up for the senior squad today. Robson,Garvey, Mulan, for England.

Kearney, Zebo for the Hounds.

Good game and a good win for the England Saxons.

Here's three suggestions to Ireland's scrummaging problems.

1. Send all Irish fat kids to England and France in the hope that some of them will take up rugby and be taught how to scrummage. We can't afford to feed the fatty's since the banking collapse anyway so it shoots two birds with one stone.

2. Start kidnapping uncapped foreign props and bringing them to Ireland. Brainwash them into thinking they're Irish. Give them Irish names. Teach them Riverdance etc. After 3 years they'll be Irish qualified.

3. The Australian method. Constantly lobby the IRB to have the scrum removed from the game of rugby union, because we're not good at it.

Feckless Rogue

You make it sound that Irish rugby is on the waine

And yet i thought the Irish rugby was looking good. Especialy if you look at the HC.

Still i could be wrong...I guess the Irish are just lucky this year.

We're getting there majestic. Learning to scrummage and also to play with an actual coherent game plan, and also how to actually win more than one game every ten years against France are the last three pieces of the jigsaw for team Ireland. Then we'll take our rightful place as the best team in Europe.

Had he been fit, I would have played Declan Fitzpatrick ahead of Archer. He's not fantastic, but he's better than that mess at scrum-time.